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Golf at TPC San Antonio: AT&T Oaks and Canyons courses are full of similarities, differences

By Brandon Tucker, Managing Editor

SAN ANTONIO - Two of 2010's most anticipated golf courses officially opened in January: TPC San Antonio's AT&T Oaks course and AT&T Canyons course.

TPC San Antonio - Oaks Course - hole 1
TPC San Antonio's AT&T Oaks course winds through dense Texas Hill Country forest.
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The Oaks was designed by Greg Norman and consultant Sergio Garcia, while the Canyons was designed by TPC's favorite architect, Pete Dye, and consultant Bruce Lietzke. The PGA Tour's Valero Texas Open will move to the AT&T Oaks starting this May, while it's expected the AT&T Canyons will receive the AT&T Championship on the Champions Tour as early as 2011.

Both were built to host top tour events, but they come with many differences, too.

Compare: Both were built with a "closed-loop irrigation system" designed to protect the Edwards Aquifer Recharge Zone and are slated for Audubon International Cooperative Sanctuary certification. Each deviates from the standard TPC style of spectator mounding and viewing areas of recent TPC stadium-style courses in favor of a more natural appearance. Both are also void of any real estate framing the golf courses (except, of course, the mighty JW Marriott hotel).

Contrast: Though the Oaks and Canyons play right next to each other in the Texas Hill Country, their topographies sit in stark contrast. The Oaks gently meanders through oak and mesquite trees, and most holes are tree-lined on both sides. It's very walker friendly with less than 100 feet of differential between the highest and lowest points.

The Canyons, as the name implies, rolls up and down more severe Hill Country terrain. Many green settings (much like Dye's latest design in French Lick, Ind.) overlook expansive backdrops of a 700-acre nature preserve.

Compare: The Oaks and Canyons yield themselves to high drama with a similar formula on the closing three holes. No. 16 on both courses are showy par 3s, followed by potentially drivable short par 4s. The difference is on the 18th: The Oaks is a risk-reward par 5, while the Canyons is a long, dogleg par 4 that can play to about 480 yards, where you're holding on to dear life to make a par.

Contrast: The fairways may be tight on the Oaks, but it's the approach shots that can be menacing with run-off areas and bunkers aplenty. It's hard to believe anyone, from tour pro to novice, could play the Oaks without finding sand at least once during the round. The Canyons has more room off the tee, as well as more opportunities to run the ball up onto the green.

Compare: Both golf courses play out the same 42,000-square-foot clubhouse, located right next to the JW Marriott. The two courses share a 20-acre practice area, including a large driving range and several short-game areas. Packages through the JW Marriott are the same cost for each course.

Contrast: Aside from general topography, the biggest aesthetic difference of the two courses is in the bunker shaping. The Oaks is naturally, consistently shaped and almost always large. In typical Pete Dye style, the Canyons features more boxy bunkers with little rhyme or reason to them: some with high lips, some small, some awkwardly shaped.

Compare: For turf, both courses use Champions Bermuda on the greens, Emerald Bermuda for the collars, approach areas and tee tops, and native Texas grasses surrounding holes. Neither over-seeded for the wintertime, but that will probably change next fall, course officials say.

Contrast: Different turf types in the fairways and rough were installed in an effort to present optimum turf quality for their respective landscapes. The Oaks features Bandara Bermuda in the rough and TifSport Bermuda in the fairways. The Canyons will have 419 Bermuda in the rough and fairways. Officials plan to overseed the Canyons next fall while the Oaks will not, so as to provide top Bermuda grass for the PGA Tour event in the spring.

TPC San Antonio's AT&T Oaks and Canyons courses: The verdict

Despite playing more difficult to the mid-handicapper (or probably any handicapper for that matter), I prefer the Oaks, mostly due to the aesthetics of the gentle undulations and more consistent bunker shaping.

The finishing stretch on each course is exceptional, both offering drivable 17th holes, but for amateur players, it's always nice to finish with a par 5 instead of a long par 4.

The Canyons is a little behind the Oaks in terms of growth, and off the fairways, there are some muddy patches (thanks to the wet winter the Hill Country has had), so it only stands to get better once it grows in over the year.

Brandon TuckerBrandon Tucker, Managing Editor

Brandon Tucker is the Managing Editor for Golf Advisor. To date, his golf travels have taken him to over two dozen countries and over 500 golf courses worldwide. While he's played some of the most prestigious courses in the world, Tucker's favorite way to play the game is on a great muni in under three hours. Follow Brandon on Twitter at @BrandonTucker.


 
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  • Canyons Course at Marriott Hill Country

    Bill wrote on: Jan 24, 2012

    The Dye course (Canyons) is not much better. It is not a resort course in the true sense of the word. It is a goat track at best. I do not see how anyone would want to pay the price to play the Canyons. It is not any fun. I could not wait to get off this wayward track. I have a 5 handicap and shot a 79. What is happening to golf is a crime. Give me Pecan Valley, Oak Hills, Champions in Houston, Colonial in Ft. Worth, Crown Colony in Lufkin and the other traditional courses and take these newly designed Norman and Dye courses and turn them into apartment or housing developements. And by the way, I am a volunteer at one of the two professional tournaments at the Marriott. Gee I miss Oak Hills.

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  • TPC San Antonio

    SA Golfer wrote on: Apr 12, 2010

    The Norman course is terrible...not friendly to the resort player and hostile to pros as well. Impossible for galleries to find anyplace to be for tournament play...lose/lose on all counts. The Dye course is a little better, but not much...why do we have to have these kinds of golf courses these days? Go back to Mackenzie, Tillinghast, Raynor and Ross...what's wrong with a great walk, fair playing conditions and strategic golf...?

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    • RE: TPC San Antonio

      Jeremy wrote on: Jan 9, 2011

      how old are you sir? also, please list your handicap

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    • RE: TPC San Antonio

      Rob wrote on: Nov 29, 2010

      Attended the Valero Open last May. No place for galleries!!!! No way to get from one hole to another without a great circuitous route!!!

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    • RE: TPC San Antonio

      Jeff Wallach wrote on: Apr 21, 2010

      . . . like San Antonio's Brackenridge, one of the best munis anywhere in the US. We asked ourselves exactly this: if Tillinghast could build Brack with horses and mules 80 years ago, why can't developers build something just like it with today's technology, and save $30 million in construction costs so the golf doesn't need to cost $200 for them to make a profit?
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      • RE: RE: TPC San Antonio

        Brandon Tucker wrote on: Apr 21, 2010

        Even Brackenridge isn't "cheap" - took $4.5 million to renovate and cost the out-of-towner $60-75 (down from last year when it was $80)

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