The big question is: Is she the female version of the next Tiger, or the next version of Ty Tryon?

So you actually expected Wie to win a pro tourney by now. That's some pretty high expectations for a recently turned 16 yr. old girl. She's great, but not that great.

Chris says what new. That's what I say about his STORY. I came here expecting this, and like a good old Wie-wannabe he produced the goods (or the crap).

- first you say she melted down the stretch. I thought "down the stretch" was something that happened on Sunday. If she are claiming that she melts down the stretch every day, then you just need to have a look at some of her score cards. Does she always do badly on the last few holes in every round? I don' think so.

- then you say she has had a full season of 30 tournaments. A few tournaments each year is hardly the same. Also in her first tournaments as a young child, she wasn't even able to make the cut. At this stage she was clearly not going to win. It is different this year when she is actually competing for titles.

- as regards Bighorn playing tougher!!!! NO it was the same for every player. Michelle had a good patch, going well at 4 under and hit a few wayward shots, who hasn't? I'll judge her performance over 4 days though, there is still plenty of time to pick up places. Unlike you Chris, I'm not intent on a win. She hasn't been playing competitive golf recently so she is bound to be a bit rusty, but I still think she'll show a good account of herself over the 4 days.

- by the way Chris, did you see Annika's stumble down the stretch. She missed easy putts at 17 and 18. However instead of attacking people, like you, I would like to compliment her excellent play throughout and her wonderful pin point accuracy with her irons.

Horray for Chris.

Michelle played terrible.
She's useless at golf.

The Creamer showed her how to play golf. Creamer is 4 shots ahead of golf.

Creamer is at 6 under, and Michelle is 2 under. That is 3 times better and that shows that Creamer is 3 times as good as Michelle.

Go Paula go.

The great thing about Chris is how he can be so horribly wrong, while stating something that is factually correct.

Michelle Wie is, as Chris says, winless (although I do not follow the 30 tournaments against professionals).

He is incredibly wrong in not comprehending that Michelle Wie is BOTH winless and dominant.

If she qualified for world ranking (she is two events short) she would be #2 in the world. She had the 5th best finish in the majors this year (after the winners and Gulbis). She is one of 2 women who have a winning record against the top players in the world (and she beats them nearly 70% of the time)..Annika is the only other woman to have such a record...Chris your beloved Paula Creamer is below .500. She would have the 2nd highest money per event on tour if she had not been an amatuer.

So if someone is ranked 2nd, beats the top players 70% of the time, is the only player who has a breakeven record against Annika in 2005, would have won the 2nd most money... she is definitely DOMINANT AND WINLESS. Hopefully she will drop the winless... but dominant in any case.

By the way... Wie just shot a 31 on the front

A dominant non-winner??? STOP IT, please! I'm crying over here! Perhaps you should consult Webster's dictionary on that one. Too funny ...

The Baldwin Curse continues--

Michelle is now at the top of the leader board at -9.

Thank God he always roots for Michelle to lose.

Both times he put Creamer on a pedestal -she had a meltdown in the final round.

Chris
This is the dumbest blog you have ever written and that is saying something. Wait til the end of the tournament before spouting crap. That also goes for the Creamer supporters.
Alan M

Comment from: alan

** Chris
This is the dumbest blog you have ever written and that is saying something. Wait til the end of the tournament before spouting crap. **

So does that mean Baldwin can spout crap when the tournament's over?

** That also goes for the Creamer supporters. **

Alan, it sounds like you've got something against Paula Creamer!

Maybe the big story of the tournament isn't Michelle Wie. Sounds like the big story is Annika isn't ready to be fitted for a coffin just yet.

-BAG

Annika had 2 bogeys in the last three holes.

The final group will be Michelle Wie and Grace Park.

Next to last will be Annika and Creamer.

** Comment from: Mark [Visitor]

The Baldwin Curse continues--

Michelle is now at the top of the leader board at -9.

Thank God he always roots for Michelle to lose. **

So far, Baldwin would be right!

But unless something dramatic happens in the last twosome (as of 2 p.m. PST), check out that leaderboard.

That's the leaderboard of the near future, anyway. A Korean star, Anika, Creamer and Wie within 1-2 strokes of each other as they head to the weekend.

All the clowns like Alan or Mark who hate Creamer, or the bozos like Baldwin who hate Wie, you'd better get used to it.

Creamer and Wie are bound together by fate and will be so for years to come. In fact, will they be paired on Saturday? They could be the female Nicklaus and Watson.

And you can add Pressel and Lang to the mix, and if Gulbis ever can get her act together for 72 holes, she'll be up there too. And don't leave Christina Kim out, she's only going to get better.

You haters are truly circus acts. Just not as entertaining.

-BAG

Well at the end of the 2nd round Michelle is up to 2nd place.
.... Chris do you feel like a fool for writing her off after ONE DAY?

Anyway, it's a shame Annika stumbled over the last couple of holes.
By the way Annika's round today was worse than Michelle's yesterday. Does this mean Annika "melted" down the stretch? No it doesn't, she is still a great player and is still in a position to win this championship.

Had Annika not got a couple of bogey's near the end, Michelle and Paula would have been paired together tomorrow, which would have been great to watch, but it wasn't to be.

Hopefully some of the haters will get some sense. Both Michelle and Paula are doing fantastic. After 2 days, with this elite field, they are both in 2nd place along with the worlds greatest ever female player. Fair play to both Michelle and Paula.

Unlike many of the Creamer-fanatics, if Michelle loses out, I'll be hoping Creamer can do it, despite the fact that people will be coming on here saying how much better Creamer is.

If Creamer wins, I will be delighted. If Michelle wins, I'll be even happier. One thing for sure, they will both still be great players, and a win for either will not prove that either of them are better than the other.

PS: Michelle hit a 65 today, the days best score. CHRIS, were the other ladies playing on a more difficult course? .... oh and Michelle didn't melt down the stretch.

The only problem is, Norman, that there are plenty of Creamer haters out there too at Travel Golf. I'd guess they can't stand it if any attention is taken away from Michelle.

If you're not insane like the Creamer haters are, that's a good thing.

For instance, there's Mark, up above...
** Both times he put Creamer on a pedestal -she had a meltdown in the final round. **

Sounds like Mark is a Creamer hater. That could be one reason you get people snickering during Michelle's winless streak.

Anyway, last time I checked, they determined the winner after 72 holes, not 36.


But like I said above, the current Top 4 leaderboard is the kind of leaderboard you'll be seeing a lot of in the near future.

OTOH, it doesn't mean any of them will win.

After all the hype, the winner will probably be Lori Kane or Christie Kerr or Catriona Matthew and the rest will finish over par!

-BAG

C'mon guys--Take it easy.

You'll make Baldwin cry...

Let's look at our crystal ball again.
In five years Michelle will be a dominant player in the LPGA and will have placed respectably on the men's tour as well. Chris Baldloser, in the meantime, if he's not forced from his job for his obvious stupidity, will only be known as the idiot who wrote Michelle off in an inexplicably violent way when she was a teenaged amateur. Let's hope there's just a little bit of accountability around here ...

What is the origin of Baldwin's hatred for Michelle Wie? Looking back at his old entries, this guy is obsessed! I hope the security detail at these tournaments are given photos of this clown before Michelle hits the tees. Jesus. Shame on this site for giving this guy an amplifying system for his shameful and personally prejudiced views.

"What is the origin of Baldwin's hatred for Michelle Wie?"

I give up. A small penis?

Shanks-- Tiger Woods is the most dominant winner on the history of the PGA tour (you always like to bring up the best players on the planet). He wins 1/4 tournaments he enters (the percentage in history). If the best ever (by winning percentage) wins only 25% of the time... and loses, by your definition, 75% of the time...how can winning determine dominance?? IF Tiger had the same number of wins and missed the cut the rest of the time..would he still be dominant??

He dominates because he is in position time after time (and because he closes). Michelle has not closed but she dominates positionally.

Chris she's an amatuer because she didn't get paid...not because of her schedule. Do you understan the rules??

Still waiting on the 25 LPGA events she played.

How can you call look yourself in the eye Meetoo and not know Michelle Wie's LPGA history? Here are the 25 LPGA tournaments Wie has played in her pro career, numbered in reverse order, so you can follow it.
Or maybe you've simply "lost track" of how many she's played because there have been no wins. Hard to imagine, huh?
Don't worry. The concept of winning's unexplainable to Michelle as well. A win? What's a win?



Wie in LPGA
2005


25). Samsung World Championship Palm Desert, Calif. Oct. 13-16

24). Weetabix Women's British Open Southport, England July 28-31 75-67-67-69—278 (-11) T3

23). Evian Masters France July 20-23 75-70-68-68—281 (-7) T2

22). U.S. Women's Open Colorado June 23-26 69-73-72-82—296 (+12) 23rd

21). LPGA Championship Havre de Grace, Md. June 9-12 69-71-71-69—280 (-8)

20). Kraft Nabisco Championship Rancho Mirage, Calif. March 24-27 70-74-73-71—288 (E)

19.) Safeway International Superstition Mountain, Ariz. March 17-20 73-67-73-71—284 (-4) T12

18). SBS Open Turtle Bay Resort Feb. 24-26 70-70-70—210 (-6) T2


2004
17). Samsung World Championship Palm Desert, Calif. Oct. 14-17 74-72-67-70—283 (-5) T13

16). Wendy's Championship for Children Dublin, Ohio Aug. 19-22 73-69-71-69—282 (-6) T6

15). Evian Masters Evian-les-Bains, France July 21-25 71-71-76-69—287 (-1) T33

14). U.S. Women's Open South Hadley, Mass. July 1-4 71-70-71-73—285 (+1) T13

13). Michelob Ultra Open Kingsmill, Va. May 6-9 72-67-73-72—284 (E) T12

12). Kraft Nabisco Championship Rancho Mirage, Calif. March 25-28 69-72-69-71—281 (-7) 4th

11). Safeway International Superstition Mountain, Ariz. March 18-21 72-67-70-77—286 (-2) T19


2003
10). Sports Today CJ Nine Bridges Classic Jeju Island, Korea Oct. 31- Nov. 2 85-78-70—233 (+17) 69th

9). Safeway Classic Portland, Ore. Sept. 26-28 69-72-73—214 (-2) T28

8). Jamie Farr Kroger Classic Sylvania, Ohio Aug. 14-17 73-72—145 (+3) Missed Cut

7). U.S. Women's Open North Plains, Ore. July 3-6 73-73-76-76—298 (+14) T39

6). ShopRite LPGA Classic Galloway Township, N.J. June 27-29 71-72-72—215 (+2) T52

5). Chick-fil-A Charity Championship Stockbridge, Ga. Apr. 25-27 72-70-71—213 (-3) T33

4). Kraft Nabisco Championship Rancho Mirage, Calif. March 27-30 72-74-66-72—288 (E) T9


2002

3). Wendy's Championship for Children Dublin, Ohio Aug. 2-4 77-75—152

2). Asahi Ryokuken International Augusta, S.C. May 8-11 81-75—156 (+12) Missed Cut

1). Takefuji Classic Waikoloa Feb. 28-March 2 72-74—146 (+6) Missed Cut

Pretty sure she shot a -7, 65 today! Now tied for 2nd....wow!

Guys, Guys, Guys! Stop picking on Chris. He's obviously hit his mid-life crisis. I mean he has to be what 50? He is bald, and doesn't know anything about current issues in golf. He needs to take out his anger on someone, he's just stupid enough to take it out on a 15 year old girl.

Chris, I am appropriately chastised. I should have known the tournaments. It does seem disingenuous to mock Michelle for the 17 tournaments she played BEFORE SHE WAS EVEN 15! I mean COME ON! A 12,13,14 year old is being mocked for not winning on a professional tour. You have got to be kidding!!!

I would also add that Michelle Wie shares something with Jones, Hogan, Palmer, Nicklaus, Woods, Zaharias, Wright, whitworth, Lopez, and Sorenstam.

ZERO WINS ON THE PROFESSIONAL TOUR AT AGES 12-16!!!!!!!

She stands alone from each of these (the greatest players ever in the game) in one respect

7 TOP TENS BEFORE THE AGE OF 16!!! (INCLUDING 3 IN MAJORS)

So here's the question--- which stands out to you... the zero wins at 16 (which she has in common with every great player) or the top 10's (where she stands as the greatest pre-16 in history????

Perhaps it would be wise, instead of holding her to the 0-30 standard to wait until she actually falls behind a SINGLE great.

17 non wins before she could drive....

COME ON!!!

meetoo, you've got some irrefutable logic there. Best analysis of Michelle's accomplishments to date that I have ever seen in print. It sure places the proper perspective on this GIRL golfer and how she stacks up against the Legends of golf when they were pre-16. Don't pay any attention to MANLY Baldy as he may be afflicted with the SP syndrome.

The irony of Chris's Wie obsession is that if he didn't beat up the 16 year-old girl, he wouldn't have any readers. Nada, zero, zilch. One Wie bashing session garners him more comments than *all* of his non-Wie blog enties put together.

It goes without saying that this one is as poorly written and asinine as the rest. He already looks a fool for crowing about how poorly she did "down the stretch" only for her to go 7-under the very next day.

(By the way, -7 is Wie's best ever round in a pro-event - hmm, and I thought she couldn't even handle a single round against the big guns.)

Comparing 4 years of part-time play in pro-tournaments as an amateur (in between going to high school) with a single full season in the pros is simply idiotic, especially since she's been a full-time high-school student at the same time. She's never had the time or the money (till now) to work on her game as do the pros week-in and week-out during the season.

Comparing Wie's amateur career with LeBron James and the NBA is just nonsensical - a strawman.

And, of course, Chris completely misses the point when attack all those "Wie-lovers" he loves to hate. Oh, maybe there are a few idiots who think that Wie will win every event from now till doomsday, but the vast majority are simply content to watch her talent grow and blossom as she matures and gains experience. We're along for the ride.

The *only* deluded person around here is Chris if he really thinks that Wie will be less successful than Creamer or even Gulbis. Fact is, she's better than Gulbis now, and the only thing that separates her from Creamer is a couple of tour wins - which will come soon enough. I am not dumb enough to predict a win this weekend, too much can happen in two rounds of golf to know for sure, but seeing Chris eating crow (though he will probably make some lame excuse) and twisting in the wind if it happens would be fun.

All I do know is that Mr Baldwin's unhealthy obsession with Michelle Wie and his gloating over every tiny mis-step she makes, proves one thing... that he is nothing more than a sad little troll.

I think Chris post of all the tournaments she has entered is very helpful.

It shows the ever improvement on Michelle's part.

Starting with missing cuts, moving on to higher finishes, then last year she got a single top 5 finish. This year her results have moved up ever further with 3 top 5 finishes.

Could I guess we may well have another top 5 finish here.
It is possible she could win, as it is for Creamer, Park or Kerr, but if Annika hits form only she can win, because she is better (laser irons).
I just hope that if Annika turns it on, people will admit that it is just because of her being the better player, not any inability on anyone else's part to win.

Bay Area Golfer, I think the only reason you have Creamer-haters here is because of Chris Baldwin.

It is his put down of Michelle by overblowing everything Creamer does, that annoys Wie fans. That is why some of them end up attacking Creamer to defend Wie.
It shouldn't be about that, it's not a competition. They can both do great. There is enough tournaments!!

As regards the winner being determined after 4 days, not 2. Yes I agree totally I was making that very point. Chris seemed to think the tournament was over after 1 days, and I was just saying what a difference a day makes. Who knows how much of a difference two more days will make!!

Chris... ahh, okay... that's for reiterating that fact that you don't make sense.

It was way too early to attack Wie like that. I mean a bogey-free, highest score of the round says something. But, it is way too naive now to make predictions about the winner. We're only half-way there. Although, the leaderboard is the most exciting thing about the future of the LPGA. You basically have two great veterans in Sorenstam and Park and two great rising stars in Creamer and Wie. Now that is something we're all looking forward to.

And I must admit, had it not been for the attention Wie is getting. I never would've read this column. Although, I will be disappointed if Michelle does not win, I'd be satisfied that she's shown she's got game.

meetoo, great point about Wie and other greats when they were young.

Baldwin, thanks for the chart. It really does she Wie is improving, huh?

Bay Area Golfer,
I totally agree with Norman with respect to so called Creamer haters,
which you suggested I am.
I personally think Creamer is a very good golfer and have nothing against her.
meetoo
You comments about Chris are wasted. He obviously thinks she's a great player and will dominate at some point in the future.
Either that or he knows absolutely nothing about golf.
Nice article Mike.
Alan M

Metoo, there is no argument here about Michelle wie being the best female golfer at age 16 in history. I agree with that.

But "dominates positionally"???? That is the most ridiculous statement I have ever heard. I take it that you didn't use my advice - go take a look at Websters. Any player who does not win can NEVER be considered dominant.

And any player who does NOT win can NEVER be considered to have had a better year than a player who WON at least TWICE against the same opposition.

TravelGolf is genius. I can see them in their board rooms saying, "How can we drive web traffic to our site? I know! Let's hire a doofus that everyone hates, someone who will get the most comments on a stupid blog, etc., etc."

TravelGolf's contempt for their readers is unconscionable. I, for one, will go out of my way NOT to engage the services of carolinagolftravel.com...

Shanks said:
And any player who does NOT win can NEVER be considered to have had a better year than a player who WON at least TWICE against the same opposition.
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How's about this argument?
Any player who has played 21 tournaments, can not be compared to a player who has played 7 tournaments, with regard to number of wins.

A third of day 3 is over.

Michelle Wie is gone 6 shots behind Sorrenstam. What a swing in a few holes!

Oh no Paula Creamer is following Michelle, Paula is +2 for the day so far. This is like a repeat of the final round of the US womens open.

How can you look up old blogs by these writers.

I think I remember seeing old blogs from months ago, but I don't know how to find them. If I click on Chris Baldwin's name it gives me about the last 5 or so blogs, but how can I find older blogs.

Except for Friday's round, Paula Creamer will always be better than Michelle Wie.

Comment from: Jeff [Visitor]
A third of day 3 is over.

Michelle Wie is gone 6 shots behind Sorrenstam. What a swing in a few holes!

Oh no Paula Creamer is following Michelle, Paula is +2 for the day so far. This is like a repeat of the final round of the US womens open.

A good analogy, Jeff -- except for the part where it's completely wrong.

How *did* Anika do in Round 4 of the USWO?

And is Birdie Kim tied for the lead in this tourney?

-George

** Comment from: alan [Visitor]

** Comment from: alan [Visitor]
Bay Area Golfer,
I totally agree with Norman with respect to so called Creamer haters,
which you suggested I am.
I personally think Creamer is a very good golfer and have nothing against her **

Really? What did this comment mean, then?

Chris
[...]
Wait til the end of the tournament before spouting crap. That also goes for the Creamer supporters. **

Some reason why the Creamer supporters are supposed to keep their traps shut, Alan?

So maybe you have something against the Creamer supporters, but you like Creamer. If that's true, is it possible that maybe some people have something against the insane Wie SUPPORTERS -- and NOT AGAINST WIE?

Also, to MeeToo...

You said Michelle is "positionally dominant." Sure you don't want to re-think that phrase or come up with a new one? 'Cause if you're an adult, for you to call a teenager "positionally dominant" is ... creepy. ---> ;)

Bay Area Golfer, for you to turn the phrase "positionally dominant", which was meant as positions in golf tournaments, into a "adult" phrase, makes you creepy.

Bay Area Golfer
Yes I am having a go at Creamer supporters but not Creamer herself.
The only golfer I really object to is Pressel. I think she should keep her comments to herself, and smile once in a while. It is sad how someone can be so bitter.
Alan M

Norman, we have been discussing who had the better year. It cannot be helped who plays how many tournaments. For instance, Tiger typically plays a smaller number of tourneys than most of the competition on Tour, yet judgements are made by who had the best results on whatever events that they did play in, regardless.

I understand completely the argument you are trying to make but it doesn't hold water. Your girl Wie played consistently well in those events that she did play. But she did not win any and that does not compare favorbly to a player who won 2 LPGA events. Sorry.

*Michelle Wie in 3rd place. Where is Creamer?

Creamer is sitting there with her two LPGA wins this year. While Michelle Wie's no-win, no-way streak rolls on. 0 for 30. Say it again.

I love how all you Wie Warriors got so excited on Friday. And then the reality and the excuses start filtering in again.

And Jeff, to look up old blogs, you click on the blogger's name and then go down to the right hand side where the months are listed. Click on a past month and you'll get all the blogs written that month.

Chris,
I for one didn't get over excited. As I said at that point (after day 2), I was hopeful of a top 5 finish. That is still the case.

I am also hopeful (but not as much) for a top 5 finish for Creamer.

Also, at half way I stated that if Annika turns it on, nobody else stands a chance. I think I have been proven right in this case too. Annika has turned it on.

Michelle is doing great. She is in 3rd place in the high pressure situation of her first pro tournament.
She still has a slim chance to win, but given it is Annika in the lead, it is highly unlikely. Annika needs to have a day like Friday and I just don't see that happening.

As logic dictates, there is one day left, so final analysis should be postponed, but if it finishes in her current position, she should be very proud.

As regards, Creamer's 2 wins, that is two from 22 ie one in every 11 events. Michelle hasn't played 11 events.

Shanks, I take your arguement, that Tiger SEEMS to play fewer events, but lets look at the stats.

Here are the top 15 on the PGA money list along with how many events they have played this year:

1 Tiger Woods 19
2 Vijay Singh 27
3 Phil Mickelson 20
4 David Toms 23
5 Jim Furyk 24
6 Kenny Perry 22
7 Chris DiMarco 22
8 Retief Goosen 15
9 Sergio Garcia 19
10 Fred Funk 27
11 Justin Leonard 22
12 Padraig Harrington 13
13 Adam Scott 17
14 Luke Donald 17
15 Davis Love III 21

Tiger has played 19 events.
Of the top 15 players, 11 of them have played 22 tournaments or less.
Comparing someone who has played 19 events versus someone playing 22 is fair enough.

Comparing someone who played 7 events versus someone who has played 21 is not the same.
Tiger has played pretty much the average number of events. The average is 20.5 events. Tiger has played 19.

Therefore the Tiger analogy just doesn't wash.

Whatever happened to that bet. Did Baldie ever respond?

So Chris, what exactly are you going to write about WHEN Michelle wins a LPGA event?

** Comment from: Jeff [Visitor]
Bay Area Golfer, for you to turn the phrase "positionally dominant", which was meant as positions in golf tournaments, into a "adult" phrase, makes you creepy. **

Jeff, you need to get a sense of humor, for once in your life.

You did see this in my original post, right?

---- ;) -----


Or do you need to find an emoticon definition Web site?

** Comment from: brad [Visitor]
Michelle Wie in 3rd place. Where is Creamer? **

Uh, oh, Brad. You're letting your Creamer-hate bile spew out again. Better get a new pot to catch your droppings!

-BAG

HEY BALDBOY...you are one sad..sad...little man. Even Dottie Pepper, who has always been a Morgan/Paula supporter and always a harsh critic of michelle, has come out and said that under this week's circumstance, Michelle is doing really well. This IS her pro-debut...give her a break, and do i need to remind you of your favorite sexual fantasy's pro debut result???

SBS OPEN 2005
T40 Paula Creamer 73-73-74 220 +4

This is just my opinion, but i think Michelle Wie is doing MUCH better in her pro debut than Paula...

For Michelle Wie's round today, which was a 71, she was put in a position where she could have shut down, mentally and physically. She made a bogey then double-bogey in the beginning of her round, and it looked like she was gonna go down like she did in the final round of the USWO, BUT she turned her round around to make 4 birdies after that.

Anytime a golfer can turn their round around like that, it shows poise, heart, and mental toughness...Michelle has come a long way from the disasterous final round and today's under-par round reflects that.

Even Tiger has said that whenever you start out horribly, it's so tough to get back into the groove. Especially if you're not swinging well, and you are not having the best of luck...so CONGRATS MICHELLE IN TURNING THAT POTENTIALLY HORRIBLE ROUND, AROUND TO SHOOT UNDER PAR...(you've taken away another topic for mr. baldy to write about)

Alan:

** Bay Area Golfer
Yes I am having a go at Creamer supporters **

Sauce for the goose, then.

It would follow, therefore, that you have no problem when people have a go at the more insane members of the Wie Wargs. (Or maybe there is no subset in the Wie Wargs group.)

You do understand, don't you Alan, that if there is any taunting going on WRT Wie, that barbs are aimed at the Wie Wargs, and not Wie.

Why do you think Baldwin writes what he writes? He know you'll crawl out of the woodwork at the drop of any comments about Wie that don't involve sucking down the KoolAid.

** but not Creamer herself. **

Sure, Alan, if you say so.

** The only golfer I really object to is Pressel. **

I can't believe you would be so gross as to attack a a girl WHO IS ONLY 17 YEARS OLD. She's ONLY A GIRL whose mother died at a tragicaly young age. Pressel IS ONLY A GIRL who should not be attacked just because she said a few things about another golfer. It's an outrage that you would disparage in any way someone WHO IS ONLY A 17-YEAR-OLD GIRL. You must really be sick to attack someone who NEVER DID YOU ANY HARM. Why would you show so much hate against a girl WHO IS ONLY 17 YEARS OLD? You must be FAT, BALDING, NEVER BEEN ON A DATE, AND HAVE A SMALL HOO-HOO if you would attack MORGAN who is JUST A TEENAGE GIRL.

(let's see if Alan figures it out the above comments all by his lonesome. And no fair getting help from your intellectual peer, Baldwin)

** I think she should keep her comments to herself, **

Umm, Alan, if Pressel kept her comments "to herself" they wouldn't be comments, would they.

You got to admit, though, that if and when Pressel and Wie are full-time members of the LPGA tour, that would be a pretty cool mud-wrestling event.

** and smile once in a while. It is sad how someone can be so bitter. **

And it's sort of sad to see the Wie Wargs get bitter because one prominent teenager won three times in her rookie year. Then to top things off, that teenager guaranteed victory and then backed it up by leading her country's charge to a stirring victory in the Solheim Cup. It's sad to see that bitterness solely because another prominent teenager is still looking for win #1.

Relax, Wie Wargs: Both prominent teenagers are likely to win an LPGA event in the future.

Creamer's Commandos can afford to be at ease: Creamer's already won three times as a pro.

((There is certainly one thing Creamer and Wie have in common, BTW.

They both remind me (although they lack the skills, obviously) of the 'tude that Nicklaus and Woods have and/or had in their prime (And from what I hear, Palmer, too): That swing from the heels, go for broke, smash-mouth approach to golf. Screw going for one side of the green or the other. There's the pin. Let's stick the ball on the flagstick.))

-BAG

Bay Area Golfer said:
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And it's sort of sad to see the Wie Wargs get bitter because one prominent teenager won three times in her rookie year. Then to top things off, that teenager guaranteed victory and then backed it up by leading her country's charge to a stirring victory in the Solheim Cup. It's sad to see that bitterness solely because another prominent teenager is still looking for win #1.
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sorry...but I thought paula only won two tournaments...if she won three, please tell me what the were, cause i obviously missed it...and if she did win three, I am SO MAD THAT I MISSED IT!!!!!!!!!!!

Bay Area Golfer said:
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I can't believe you would be so gross as to attack a a girl WHO IS ONLY 17 YEARS OLD. She's ONLY A GIRL whose mother died at a tragicaly young age. Pressel IS ONLY A GIRL who should not be attacked just because she said a few things about another golfer. It's an outrage that you would disparage in any way someone WHO IS ONLY A 17-YEAR-OLD GIRL. You must really be sick to attack someone who NEVER DID YOU ANY HARM. Why would you show so much hate against a girl WHO IS ONLY 17 YEARS OLD? You must be FAT, BALDING, NEVER BEEN ON A DATE, AND HAVE A SMALL HOO-HOO if you would attack MORGAN who is JUST A TEENAGE GIRL.
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Bay Area Golfer, don't you think that even though Morgan is a teenager, which Michelle is too (younger even), that she should not have said those comments about Michelle? It makes her seem really bitter and actually hate Michelle. In terms of management, I think her grandfather and father should have taught her that comments like those should not have been said...because it makes her look really bad to the public...

And if Morgan being a teenager, and losing her mother are exuses to be very rude and immature, then my friend who's lost both his parents and who's only 17...can say much more immature and snide comments and be forgiven...but i think not

Bay Area Golfer said:
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You must really be sick to attack someone who NEVER DID YOU ANY HARM. Why would you show so much hate against a girl WHO IS ONLY 17 YEARS OLD? You must be FAT, BALDING, NEVER BEEN ON A DATE, AND HAVE A SMALL HOO-HOO if you would attack MORGAN who is JUST A TEENAGE GIRL.
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Isn't what Alan said about Morgan, the same thing as what Chris says about Michelle...he's attacking a GIRL who's only 16!!!

Uh, Patrick. That was sort of Bay Area Golfer's point. In your zeal to make up any excuse for the 0 for 30, you Wie Warriors do the exact same things you criticize others for doing to longtime pro Michelle Wie.

That's what makes you guys so humorous and lovable.

Except for Friday and Saturday's rounds, Paula Creamer will always be better than Michelle Wie.

Chris. There is a big difference in objecting to a golfer making negative comments about another golfer, and harping about a golfer for not winning. Alan wasn't saying Morgan Pressel was a bad golfer, he was rather making the same type of criticism that was so often leveled against John McEnroe for displaying an unsportsmanlike attitude.


Oh by the way, it sounds like you expect a long wait for Michelle's first win--does that mean you are ready to accept Jim Nugent's bet? Or do you still expect the loser Michelle Wie to set an all time LPGA record as the youngest winner ever in a multiround tournament?

To the author: Why are you so biased against this young lady? What are you trying to prove? What's your point? That she hasn't won? Brilliant. How many tournaments should she have won by now in your opinion? You are entitled to your opinion...even if you show your a$$ when you share it.

Ummm Scott, Chris Baldie is just trying to prove that he is NOT afflicted with SP syndrome.

Prove it to us Wie Wargs he must but success is not his future made.

The SP syndrome virus has moved higher and is now assaulting his brain causing his hair to fall out. :)

Don't feed the Baldwin troll.

Consciouse: All these hateful comments about me are really hurting my self-esteem.

Bald brain: Shut up conscious… Focus dammet. Think of the positives. Even though everyone thinks im a moron they make me feel so special when they reply to my blog, even if what i write about makes as much sense as the raining frogs in magnolia.(there's a little dennis miller obscure comment for you Chris, since its the only form of communication you seem to get)

Conscious: But you don’t understand Mr Pauly Shore for brains. Every time you open your mouth about golf you’re slowly......

Bald Brain: Shut-up!! Shut-up!!
Don't you know how the world works?
All you need is people's attention. Do you think that because Bush is president he knows how to run the country?
No, of course not.
Everyone knows by now that i don’t have any ability to reason and that my sole purpose in life is to reflect on all the negative attributes of people. Its what makes me happy.

Conscious: Isn’t the guy writing this blog entry doing exactly what he criticises everyone else on?

Guy who's writing this blog entry:
Yes you are right conscious. Im acting like a real pagan. You see its a disease that you get when you read the crap that Baldwin puts out. Some people even start calling themselves Shanks....or Meetoo. Its frightening.

Bald Brain: naaa ha another sucker!!

Shanks- Why does the PGA (again you like the best) Keep track of top 10's?? Why do they keep track of money won??? Why do the track scoring average)Why do they stress performance in the majors?? Why do they keep track of consecutive cuts?? Why do they note top 3's"".

The answer to all of this is in a sport where the most dominant winner ever..loses 75% of the time, they need other means of reviewing quality of play.

Look at the world rankings... 20 seconds would have you ranked MUCH higher than 10 wins and 10 missed cuts. (consistency of performance or "positional ranking" (the person who consistently finishes the highest) is how they rank the best player (absolutely NOT the most wins... Vijay has 12 wins over the ranking period to Tiger's 6.. yet do to the strenth of Tiger's finishes and where they happen..he has a commanding lead )

In 1998 David Duval had FOUR wins, Mark Omeara had 2 (both majors) Omeara was player of the year. 1996 Phil Mickelson had 4 wins..Tom Lehman 2 (1 major) Lehman was voted player of the year...The number of wins is not what delinates dominance or greatness.

On the LPGA, the world rankings keep track of head to head finishes (a way of winning within the tournament) ...

Michelle Wie beats the top 10 player 70% of the time... like it or not that is dominant!!!

By the way Shanks-- I went to WEBSTER'S (see below)

Check out definition number 2 (and remember number 2 is not less correct ..that's not why they are numbered..i.e. #1 under HOT.. might be temperature, #2 might be ANGELINA JOLIE (both are equally correct)
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From Websters:

2 entries found for dominant.
To select an entry, click on it.
dominant[1,adjective]dominant[2,noun]

Main Entry: 1dom·i·nant
Pronunciation: -n&nt
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle French or Latin; Middle French, from Latin dominant-, dominans, present participle of dominari
1 : commanding, controlling, or prevailing over all others
2 : overlooking and commanding from a superior position
3 : of, relating to, or exerting ecological or genetic dominance
4 : being the one of a pair of bodily structures that is the more effective or predominant in action

As I said you "positionally dominant (don't mention use of words with me again PUHLEAZE). Finishing higher 70% of the time is positionally dominant.

I would go further and state that #1 NEVER applies (except in a single tournament) "prevailing over all others is impossible when the best "prevails over all otherS" 25% OF THE TIME! This is why they track finishes/position, scoring avaerage, finishes in majors, money won, etc. That is what "positional dominance" means since the websters definition, you like to refer to, does not apply to golf where winning (even for Annika and Tiger" happen less often than losing.

Ahh meetoo, more irrefutable logic. You da MAN (or WOMAN). Keep it coming... I love it. But its wasted on Baldwin & his Baldie Wargs cause their afflicted with SP syndrome too.

Does anyone think Annika can be challenged today?

If so, by who?

whoever it is baldwin will say that he predicted it.

Just checked the score, it looks like everyone is trying to give Annika a little breathing space. Michelle drops a shot to go 6 behind (after 2 holes). Gloria drops a shot to go 6 behind (after 2 holes).

Please girls ... Annika doesn't need the help.

I meant Gloria dropped two shots.

She was just 4 behind, at the start (before her 2 holes).
+2 for 2 holes sounds bad.
Creamer is +1, Michelle +1.
Matthew (Michelles's playing partner) is +2. So everyone in the last couple of groups doing bad. Annika just easing couple of pars.

There'll be a twist in this yet.

Creamer is still going to win this.
Just wait and see.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PS.: Thanks Chris for info on how to get old blogs.

Mr anonymous who wrote the inner monologue of Chris Baldwin....you are a genius!! Thanks for the comedy man. That was hilarious!!!

chris....is a douchebag
(sorry for my language, but im only 16)

I would call chris a scumbag...but that of course will be a insult to bags filled with scum

As any intelligent person would have expected, when Annika brings her A game, that is that.
She is half-way through her final round, at a rain delay, and has all but won.
The anti-Wie brigade will, as usual, try to make this a failure on Wie's part. The reality is, when Annika is at her best, everyone else is playing for 2nd place.

Still a good chance of 2nd place for Michelle as there is for Paula.

GRACE PARK is now 3rd last.
She was leading after two days, 2 shots clear at -11.
Now she is at -3 near the back of the field.

If this had happened to Michelle, how many comments would there be, but it's Grace Park and has got no mention.

PS.: Grace Park is LOVELY.

grace park is very elegant and classy...but i would take michelle/paula/natalie any day! (they're more my age) =D

Grace isn't exactly over the hill.
She's GORGEOUS.

The others are hot too, and Christie Kerr too.

Without regard to relative talent, it is a shame that Michelle continues to denigrate the fine players of the LPGA, for whom I have great admiration and respect. Even during her recent transition she continues to relegate them to the position of second class golfers by continuing to express her desire to play with the "best", the men. For all those women who have fought for respect, sponsorship, TV coverage and tour money this must be a bitter pill. If she is indeed the "phenom" that her hypesters would have everyone believe, what a wonderful opportunity lost for women's sports legitimacy. I guess Nancy, Annika, Paula, Natalie and other ladies will just have to carry the banner without her. They can do the job !!! Michelle does seem to be a talented golfer (I wish I could do even close). Few 15-16 year olds have any view of the world that isn't self centered. Those who advise her either have no sense or have no influence. It's not her fault.

Doug-

I have no idea what world you're living in, but I have never once seen or heard Michelle Wie denigrating anybody in the LPGA. She has been extremely respectful of everyone in the LPGA. If anything, its been a few LPGA players who have been disrespectful and resentful of her.

When she says she wants to play the best players in the world she means the best golfers in the world male and female. In reading numerous interviews with her-she has always stated as such.

You're reading way too much negativity in what Michelle Wie does.

I think the question should be why you feel so threatened by Michelle trying to play against men.
Young girls should be proud of having someone like her as a role model who doesn't just sit back and accept the status quo and dares to dream and be different.

I know my daughters will be looking up to her.

Thanks for your concern. She's no threat to me.

Comment from: Patrick [Visitor]
Bay Area Golfer said:
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Bay Area Golfer:

You must really be sick to attack someone who NEVER DID YOU ANY HARM. Why would you show so much hate against a girl WHO IS ONLY 17 YEARS OLD? You must be FAT, BALDING, NEVER BEEN ON A DATE, AND HAVE A SMALL HOO-HOO if you would attack MORGAN who is JUST A TEENAGE GIRL.
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Patrick:

** Isn't what Alan said about Morgan, the same thing as what Chris says about Michelle...he's attacking a GIRL who's only 16!!! **

Swoosh! (That's the sound of it going right over Patrick's and Alan's respective -- or collective -- heads)

-BAG

Back here,

Permalink 2005-10-14 @ 16:14

I wrote in this thread:

** Maybe the big story of the tournament isn't Michelle Wie. Sounds like the big story is Annika isn't ready to be fitted for a coffin just yet.

-BAG **

And that's how it turned out. You may have young guns like Paula and Natalie, and the hoopla surrounding Michelle, but Annika still has her Winchester to fire back.

-BAG

Looks like Paula is the top American golfer for the LPGA of 2005. Pretty darn good for the rookie -- three wins this season.

The latest list had Creamer a few thousand ahead of Christie Kerr before Samsung and Creamer finished comfortably ahead of Kerr and Wie this weekend. She was tied with Gloria Park with Park on the 18th hole as of about 4 p.m. PT. So that would be a 2nd place finish for Creamer. I believe this is the last LPGA event for 2005, right?

I caught Paula's eagle on the tube. The shot of the day, no doubt about it.

So the rookie overcame her struggles of rounds 3 and front nine of round 4 with two birdies and an eagle. Evidently Annika and Gl.Park both bogeyed the last hole.

Paula got 2nd place by herself. Great finish, rookie, and congrats!

With a new spirit of determination on the part of Annika Sorenstam; Paula Creamer as potentially Annika's toughest foe, along with Creamer seeking her first Major; Christie Kerr and Christina Kim being formidable; the never-count-them-out Korean ladies; along with Natlie Gulbis and Michelle Wie trying to find that first win, 2006 should be quite entertaining!

And it looks as if Chris Baldwin will have at least until February to needle the Wie Warriors.

It's not Michelle who's annoying. She is just fine. Wie is doing what any free-marketeer should do, and I fully support her: Wie is making as much money as she possibly can as quickly as possible. And she is a very fine golfer.

It's as simple as this: Bill Gates, Larry Ellison, Michelle Wie and Paula Creamer are NOT RICH ENOUGH. Neither am I. Neither are you. And neither is anyone in America. I believe we should all be richer tomorrow than we are today and we should do whatever we can legally and ethically to get richer.

It's the Wie Warriors who bring misery on themselves. They more than anyone else cause the bickering and bad feelings with their fanatical hyper-sensititivy.

All Baldwin has to do is dangle a morsel of red meat, and the Wie Wargs react as predictably as sunrise. Baldwin knows his audience and knows how to induce the Wie Warriors to crawl out of the woodwork. It's like watching a carnival.

If the Wie Warriors want to blame somebody for the skepticism, they need only look in the mirror.

Their looney antics only discredit Michelle Wie.

-George

I agree with you George, 2006 would be very entertaining.

Annika was great as always.
Paula's phenomal eagle shot was amazing.
Michelle, who although came in fourth, disquieted everyone that disagreed with her decision to turn pro. If we had to learn anything from this, it is that Wie was more than right to turn pro and is ready for it. I mean if you've already played several tournaments with the players and placed atop consistently, and if someone was willing to pay you $10 million, the question really is why wouldn't you.

I really don't get this Creamer/Wie/Pressel bashing. They're just playing their games. They might have good days and bad days, but FEW people (Baldwin, very well included) here feel the need to attack the golfers personally, as if they know them. Baldwin, this is really "first" event as a professional, so techincally the record she has playing as an amateur in professional events do not matter. We don't all go back to how Tiger did when he was an amateur playing in professional events. Even so, this being atop in a field of the 20 best golfers, that's somthing.



Too bad Chris won't get anymore readers until Febuary, right?

Good points Ann and George...although I have a feeling Baldwin will be gloating for the next week.He'll look like a prize idiot but gloating nonetheless.

Michelle has absolutely nothing to feel bad about -she placed in the Top 5 in her first pro tournament for goodness sakes !

Every pro golfer talks about how nerve wracking their first pro tournament was and they were full grown adults by then. Can you imagine someone who just turned 16 that week ?? ( The great Annika was 38th in her 1st pro tournament and she was already in her twenties)

What every golf commentator on NBC agreed upon was that Michelle will get a better feel for courses as she competes in more tournaments. Achieving this will be much more difficult for her because she can really only compete over her summer vacation and a few holidays, while the rest of the LPGA pros get to compete year round.

Nevertheless, Dottie Pepper gave her an A for the day for withstanding all the focus and pressure on her, although she's been critical of Wie in the past I'm glad she put Michelle's record in perspective--the young lady just turned 16 and no other golfer of that age has fared as well as she has against professional golfers.