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Comment from: Ron Mon [Member] Email
Is anyone shocked by that? If I were a died-in-the-wool conservative, I would not have set foot in the place. Too many opps for JCM, who is known for his populist stance. If I were a died-in-the-wool populist singer, I would certainly have taken a shot at the bird man, maybe even tossed in the word "potato(e)." It sounds like this celeb tourney was much more fun than I could have ever imagined. Not that I'm sucking up or anything, you bald sack of monosyllabification...
2006-07-16 @ 10:17
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Ron Mon, I'm not at all shocked by Mellencamp's display of insesitivity and bad manners. The kook libs, and especially those in the entertainment field, have become totally unhinged, unglued, and practically psychotic. Ever since they lost their political clout, they don't even make any attempt at civility. Like all the shouting and screeching at Paul Wellstone's memorial service. With their natural tendency toward exhibitionism, these clowns could make a half-baked political statement out of a pre-school graduation. They think of themselves as idealists, iconoclasts. Others think of them as ill-mannered, uncultured clods.
2006-07-16 @ 10:51
Comment from: Mellenhead [Visitor]
John Mellencamp always speaks his mind, that is his right as an American. If someone cant handle what he says then he musta hit too close to home. John always puts on a great show, ALWAYS, if you ask me it was Dan's loss as he was too blinded by a few comments JM made. As far as I'm concerned I hope he didnt let the door knob hit him in the ass on the way out!
2006-07-16 @ 12:21
Comment from: Jim COULTHARD [Visitor]
POTATOE is a variant spelling listed in the Oxford English Dictionary. Officiating at a spelling bee, Quayle drew a flash card with the word POTATOE written on it.

Slightly off topic, I noticed that POTATORY means pretaining to or given to drinking.
2006-07-16 @ 12:34
Comment from: Judge Smails [Visitor]

Yes, and it's Quayle's right to speak his mind and "vote with his feet." It's funny how you libs always fancy that a person's right to his opinion is somehow under attack when someone you dislike expresses a negative opinion about that opinion. You have every right to act like a jerk, and I have every right to call you a jerk for doind so, jerk.


I couldn't have said it better myself. I saw the Wellstone funeral and it was disgusting. Can you imagine what kind of a mentality that punk has to have to behave that way on the heels of his father's death?

But liberals are raised without any sense of propriety whatsoever. They have absolutely no class.
2006-07-16 @ 13:16
Comment from: Judge Smails [Visitor]
Yes, Jim, you're right about that. Be careful, displaying such a grasp of factual information can hurt you in the Alan Cup standings.
2006-07-16 @ 13:24
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Judge Smails, No, Jimbo is safe. His cumulative point total puts him in the finals. When the kook libs talk of living in a "classless society" I can see where they're coming from. They'd be right at home since they have no class.
2006-07-16 @ 13:47
Comment from: Jim COULTHARD [Visitor]
When are the Alan Cup Finals? I would suggest that you hold them soon. It would be embarassing if Michelle Wie were to start winning before the final results were announced.
2006-07-16 @ 16:06
Comment from: Kiel Christianson [Visitor]
Yes, liberals can never match the civility of Ann Coulter or Bill O'Reilly or any of the other neo-cons in the entertainment industry who polarize civil discussions, call people names, and simply shout down those who disagree. Civility is a continuum, and we could never slide so far down the scale as the neo-cons.
2006-07-16 @ 17:03
Comment from: Jim COULTHARD [Visitor]
"Hey, hey LBJ. How many babies did you kill today?" Viet Nam War protestors used this chant to shout down supporters of the war. Whether we approve of the tactic or not, it is clear that it was being used by the left before there were any neo-cons. Prejudiced, racist, male chuvinist, sexist, politically incorrect, homophobic. And of course there is a religious ethnic slur the left came up with to refer to people from my background--WASP. We have been so indoctrinated by the left in this country that most people believe this particular religious ethnic slur is perfectly acceptable and do not even consider it to be a slur.

2006-07-16 @ 18:32
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Are Ann Coulter and Bill O'Reilly in the entertainment business? Does either of them sing, dance, play a musical instrument, recite poetry, act in plays on or off Broadway, have roles in movies, figure skate, ballroom dance, or play professional sports? In my opinion, Ann and Bill are partisan political hacks who readily admit it. That's something that Dan Rather and his ilk won't do. Now, Mellencamp and the Dixie Chicks ARE entertainers. They sing, if that's what you want to call it. Barbra Streisand and Kevin Bacon ARE entertainers, they are in the movies. Get it? Kiel C, do you actually admit to being a...gasp...liberal?
2006-07-16 @ 19:23
Comment from: Judge Smails [Visitor]

I have to agree wih you again. Now, if you could only be cured of your Bubblitis.
2006-07-16 @ 21:40
Comment from: Willliam K. Wolfrum [Visitor]
Question: Are Ann Coulter and Bill O'Reilly in the entertainment business?

Answer: Of course they are in the entertainment business. They are entertainers, nothing more. Are you being purposefully obtuse?

2006-07-17 @ 07:58
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
WKW, No, I am not a liberal so being obtuse is not my Holy Grail. If those two are entertainers, who is being entertained by them? Not liberals, I assume. As an aside, would you call The network news pundits entertainers also. How about Wolf Blitzer? Lou Dobbs? Joe Conason? I'll bet you look upon them as honest, astute critics of the Dan Rather school.
2006-07-17 @ 08:28
Comment from: Wlliam K. Wolfrum [Visitor]
Anyone beholden to ratings is an entertainer, how's that?

Now you kids can go back to your little partisan politic name-calling thing. It's much easier than thinking for oneself.

2006-07-17 @ 08:44
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
WKW, What's that you say? Condescension from a liberal? No! Sonny, if you could think for yourself, you wouldn't be a liberal.
2006-07-17 @ 09:07
Comment from: Kiel Christianson [Visitor]
WKW is right: Beholden to ratings (=advertising $) is an entertainer. They present news/opinion in an entertaining manner to compete for eyeballs/ears of an audience who could turn channels and watch Alf reruns instead. It ain't complex.
And yes, a progressive, a liberal, a grassroots activist from way back Whatever--I'm not into labels). I figure I owe it to the people who fought for 5-day work weeks, safe food, water, and medicine, safe cars and roads, humane working conditions, environmental protection, public education, etc., etc., no matter which party they aligned themselves with.
2006-07-17 @ 11:09
Comment from: Judge Smails [Visitor]
Wolfrum could rise to the level of entertainer if only he were entertaining.
2006-07-17 @ 12:32
Comment from: Judge Smails [Visitor]

Why would you support todays' liberals, who are not even remotely the same as those of ninety years ago, based on the policies of the latter?
2006-07-17 @ 12:36
Comment from: Kiel Christianson [Member] Email

Point taken, and ditto neo-cons. See John Dean's new book, Conservatives Without a Conscience. I never liked Clinton much at all for the very reason you give. So it amazes me that, eg, Baptists who historically have been liberal and activist in the extreme vote neo-con today. Really quite a political and psychological coup. I guess it's a matter of how far one believes one's present-day party has strayed from its guiding principles. For me, I see more hope among those to the left.
2006-07-17 @ 16:05
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Kiel C sees more hope among those on the left. Really! Well whoda thunk it!
2006-07-17 @ 17:16
Comment from: Ron Mon [Member] Email
This has been the most entertaining thread of the year. Kiel, Wolf, Smails, and Jim toss out legitimate commentary, while Alex, well, he tries. I love it when golf and politics intermingle. Makes me long for the days when the country club elite and the blue-collar elite of Buffalo come together at Delaware Park for some political discourse over a game of golf. Those days haven't happened yet, although my optimism hasn't completely waned.
2006-07-17 @ 18:20
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Ron Mon, You have my most sincere apology. I didn't realize you were from Buffalo.
2006-07-17 @ 20:45
Comment from: dh [Visitor]
Sometimes, the truth just hurts!
2006-07-17 @ 21:40
Comment from: Judge Smails [Visitor]

They vote neo-con because that is the most conservative choice available. This isn't rocket science. If you're a conservative and you have a choice between Bush and either Gore or Kerry, whom do you choose?

It shouldn't be hard to understand.

By the way, I wouldn't read John Dean; he should read me, though.
2006-07-17 @ 23:51
Comment from: jerry dell [Visitor]
I was about to set up group reservations, including events,for a golf tourney in our area that has been suffering--not such great attendance, etc. But after hearing about this crap, that entertainers are not contracted to keep their mouths shut about politics, I've changed my mind and think I'll take the employees on a fishing trip or maybe to Atlantic City instead. --Worse, the apparent celebration and approval of Mellenkamps behavior by the golf industry representative writing the blog entry I read here tells me that the Golf Industry deserves to be losing popularity and going down the drain if they have such low regard for the sensibilities and preferences of thier target audience--to say nothing of the dullness to not understand that a lot of people come to their events to escape controversey, pressure, etc.--not to be exposed to more of it by the unpleasant boorish behavior of the likes of Mellenkamp.
2006-07-18 @ 02:08
Comment from: B. Krell [Visitor]
Anyone else remember back when Mellenkamp used to call himself John Cougar? --then John Cougar Mellenkamp? ---What and a-hole!
2006-07-18 @ 02:10
Comment from: William K. Wolfrum [Visitor]
Judge Smails hit it perfectly:

In this two-party system, you have no choice. Therefore, if you are conservative, that means you are pro-big government, pro-nanny state, pro-theocracy, etc.

If you're liberal, well, you have no clue what you are, aside from not being republican.

That people treat politics like a team sport is the saddest thing I've seen in the U.S.

There are just way too many smart people who would rather be affiliated with a political party than be American.

Feel free to call me liberal all you like, though I'd probably define myself more as having a libertarian fixation. The philosophy, not the party. I want the government to leave me alone, and in the U.S., that just isn't the case and will never be, because the people are completely powerless.

Politicans are supposed to work for the people. They are not a sports team that when the going gets bad, you just stick with them and hope for the best.

There are two parties, and both will define themselves by whatever gets them votes. And there are a lot of intelligent people who just seem fine with that, provided their side wins.

2006-07-18 @ 08:09
Comment from: Kiel Christianson [Visitor]
WKW and Smails--agreed. It's not hard to understand (other than that so many non-social positions directly crtadict the interests of the Republican base), but Smails raised the question to me, so I guess it wasn't so clear to him. That's why I go with the Dems--the most liberal available, sadly. Not the most organized, or visionary, that's for sure. At least not those in charge. As for "not reading" someone--typical of those who would rather call names and denegrate opposing viewpoints than challenge themselves to think .
2006-07-18 @ 10:38
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Kiel C, Is what you're referring to in the first sentence of you post, a re-wording of that famous "The Republican base is voting against its own self-interest?" You know, the one used by all the left-wing pundits in their post mortems on the 2004 election. How elitist of you! How condescending of you! Do you, an admitted liberal, actually think that you know the best interests of a conservative? Here's a clue: You don't.
2006-07-18 @ 10:58
Comment from: Judge Smails [Visitor]

I've got news for you, the liberals -- and this is just stating the obvious -- would make government the size of Phil Mickelson's ego if they could. True conservatives eschew big government, but they haven't had anyone they could vote for without reservation since the Gipper departed the scene.

You struck a libertarian note in your last post. But if that is your political bent, there's no way you could support the Democrats, who have become a de facto socialist party, if you understand what the parties truly stand for.

As for me, I'm a radical. In other words, I believe in actually adhering to the Constitution.

Kiel, denigrate is still spelled "denigrate," even in this thread.
2006-07-18 @ 13:29
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Judge Smails, Hey, don't mess with Kiel! Remember, he has a PhD in linguistics! As my grandson says to his e-mail friends, Bwahahahah!
2006-07-18 @ 18:56
Comment from: Judge Smails [Visitor]

And Kiel said he wasn't a good typist; in other words, it was a typo. It's funny, though, it's the exact same typo in the exact same word in two different threads.
2006-07-18 @ 23:13
Comment from: William K. Wolfrum [Visitor]
I believe Judge Smails has also shown my point to be completely true -- Even though his response to me is basically agreeing with me, he still finds a way to argue and put down the "opposition." Because he's a conservative, dammit, and the liberals hate America. And conservatives love America.

It's politics as a team sport. Just win, baby. Don't attempt to view issues or make suggestions, just make inept attacks on a political philosophy.

And there is no "true conservative" party. And I really can't imagine there ever will be again. So keep fighting the good fight for "your side" to beat "their side" regardless how badly "your side" continues to screw you.

I'm sure you see this all as a pro-Democrat rant, however, which is why folks like you are why the political landscape has gotten as screwed up as it has. Americans have allowed two inept (at best) and horribly corrupt (more likely) political parties define what America is. And in fact, Americans have fought for their right to do so.

And you're not radical. There are plenty of "constitutionalists" out there. And you're all just as screwed as the rest of us, because the same whores are doing the interpretation of the Constitution these days.

State's rights? Nope, there is just The State.

2006-07-19 @ 08:24
Comment from: Judge Smails [Visitor]

No, I took issue with what you stated for one reason and one reason only: it was incorrect.

I can't believe we even have to discuss this, but do you mean to tell me that you DON'T understand that the liberals are proponents of big government? This is politics 101, my friend.

The truth is, William, that my response was not at all indicative of a formulaic devotion to a creed or fierce party loyalty, but quite the opposite. The reason why I labeled myself a radical is because my views do not accord with those of mainstream conservatives and I am not a party man. Oh, and a true desire to adhere to the Constitution does render one a radical in this society (although that's NOT the only reason I branded myself in that manner) because it's a position that deviates drastically from the mainstream.

You are correct when you say that there is no "true conservative" party; THAT'S my point. Thus, at the risk of being redundant, I'm not someone who has "his" side in a political sense. In fact, your recognition of the fact that there is no truly conservative party just vindicates my position. After all, why do I call myself a radical? It's because those who call themselves conservatives today are often not very traditional and because there is no party I can call home. Hey, Bush calls himself a conservative but he is nothing of the sort, not if you subscribe to the Alan Keyes/Walter Williams/Pat Buchanan paradigm anyway. And, lamentably, a large percentage of the Republicans are much like him.

Having said all this, most fail to disagnose what ails us properly. The problem IS liberalism, which is a spiritual disease and the most evil force to ever plague Western Civilization. However, you read that and assume that it's a knee-jerk response of a party loyalist or ideologue. On the contrary, it's the insight of a philosopher. And the only reason why you fancy it to be the former is that you think I am embracing the Republicans or conservatives as the antithesis of the liberal plague. Truth be known, today's "conservatives" and the Reps. are largely infected with liberalism. However, the Democrats have become the embodiment of it.

So, where can America turn and where can she go? Unfortunately, as for the latter, it will be to Hell.

2006-07-19 @ 15:12
Comment from: Bill [Visitor]
Are the only people who blog here on the staff of TravelGolf.com? That's as pathetic as the above talk. I love the Dixie Chicks and hope they bash the president again. This administration is clueless.
2006-07-19 @ 15:27
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Bill, That was an absolutely brilliant, well thought out post. Typical of a liberal blogger. Have you got any more words of wisdom? WKW, Brandon, I give you Bill, an ally in your liberal agenda!
2006-07-19 @ 15:53
Comment from: Tim McDonald [Member] Email
Alex, do you EVER have anything to actually say? Or is it just that all you know how to do is try to mock in your adolescent way? I'm guessing you had pee-pee problems as a youngster.
2006-07-20 @ 08:45
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Timmy, I read your post on the other thread. You seem to have an obsession with the sexual orientation of people as you imagine it, and now with the sexual organs of children. Does your local vice squad know of you?
2006-07-20 @ 09:33
Comment from: Tim McDonald [Member] Email
I thought so.
2006-07-20 @ 10:10
Comment from: Judge Smails [Visitor]
You know, Alex, if you take a gander at Timmie's picture, it can't escape your notice that he looks a tad effeminate.
2006-07-20 @ 12:34
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Judge Smails, He may look efffeminate, but I'm sure glad that neither wife and daughters nor any of the other females in my extended family bear any resemblance to that bird. Anybody that homely could scare a dog off a meatwagon. Hey Timmy, how much do you charge to haunt a house? Remember sonny, you started this game of the "dozens."
2006-07-20 @ 13:02
Comment from: Tim McDonald [Member] Email
Alex, lame attempt at being hip. BTW, the "dozens" hasn't been used in decades.

I'm guessing you and the Judge lay around together on the sofa, gazing at my photo and caressing each other.
2006-07-20 @ 19:13
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Bro,In my 'hood we use the dozens all the time.
2006-07-20 @ 22:11
Comment from: Judge Smails [Visitor]
Yeah, Timmie, you're really phat, ain't ya? Do you have an earring and a pair of baggy pants, too? Man, I wish I could be cool like you.

Oh, by the way, in characterizing Alex and me as homosexuals, are you implying that there's something wrong with that?
2006-07-20 @ 23:18
Comment from: Tim McDonald [Member] Email



What's next, "bling?"

Could you two lovers be any more phony?
2006-07-21 @ 08:31
Comment from: Judge Smails [Visitor]

I'm most satisfied with your implication that there is, in fact, something wrong with being a sodomite. The truth will out, eh?
2006-07-21 @ 13:55
Comment from: Tim McDonald [Member] Email
Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods.
2006-07-21 @ 14:55
Comment from: Judge Smails [Visitor]

Since you state that no one can know Truth, I have to assume that you will henceforth refrain from making pronouncements of any kind.
2006-07-21 @ 18:06

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