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Wie Warriors doubt Michelle Wie more than anyone: Wacky, way-out there Wolfrum gets one right
Tuesday August 1, 2006 | 04:15:13 486 words, 5797 views
Usually, I read William K. Wolfrum’s blogs on Michelle Wie with the same stunningly bemused expression the 3-year-old I sometimes baby sit for wears when she’s watching the Wiggles sing about fruit salad. Sort of a horrified, yet transfixed mug. For Wolfrum - or Special K. as he’s known around the office - waffles around on Wie, dramatically changing opinions with the ease Sergio Garcia changes ugly shirts, like one of the paralyzing indecisive liberal politicians of his early-morning dreams. One blog, he’s mocking Wie’s inability to ever win with a cutting remark about the Year 2000 (Conan O’Brien wants his bit back). The next, he’s falling over her in such lavish praise that Jennifer Mario considers inviting him to a Duke lacrosse pep rally. But this time, K. finally got it right. He’s finally seen the light. Here K. goes off and writes a blog so transparent and over-the-top in its attempt to drum up Wie mania Friday night that Charles Barkley’s left wondering where all the subtlety’s gone in people’s words today. And what does Special K. get from it? A bunch of Wie Warriors crying out, “Whoa, whoa, whoa … You’re talking about winning. Don’t tell me you’re talking about winning. We’re talking about winning? Don’t tell me we’re talking about winning. We don’t do winning.” K. inadvertently produced the most damning blog on the ridiculousness of Michelle Wie yet. To his credit, he later realized it. But there is no greater cementing of Wie’s status as a marketing hype creation rather than a sports story with any merit than the reaction of her own fans. The classic had to be how several Wie Warriors immediately posted how the Winless Wonder could do nothing at all if Karrie Webb played well. She was helpless, at Webb’s mercy, a victim of circumstance. Webb happened to be up by one shot at the time. One shot going into the final round of the Evian Masters. One shot. I had to double check this several dozen times because the way the Wie fans wrote about it, you couldn’t help but be convinced it was a 10-shot lead. Well yeah, what can do. Webb has that insurmountable edge. I’m sure Michelle will give it a good try, but come on, that’s some deficit. Really, we might as well be asking the girl to cure cancer. One shot. Of course, the Wie Warriors knew that Michelle Wie would have found a way to lose if she had been up five shots going into the last round. Heck, she did somehow manage to overcome that great Webb advantage and take a two-shot lead with seven holes to go. And lose. Again. Wie Warriors know that Michelle Wie is incapable of winning. Sorry, Wie fans. Your words reveal what’s really in your hearts. The debate’s over. But welcome over to my side. Nice to have you. K. has baked you all some nice biscuits.
Comments:
Comment from: Jenney M. [Visitor]
Random thoughts...
You babysit small children? I think Sergio Garcia's Adidas shirts are lovely. Special K is slang for ketamine. Someone lets you babysit their three year old? 
2006-08-01 @ 05:19
Comment from: Monkey Fish [Visitor]
Well said, Mr. Baldwin. On Saturday I pulled up the LPGA live scoring page right after they completed 11 holes. My first thought was "let's see how she loses this one." I loved every minute of it.
I loved it because I despise what corporations are doing to the game I love, in the guise of this social engineering BS. The sad thing is that this girl doesn't have the right stuff, and maybe could have developed it if the hype machine wasn't there. She won't be around for long.
2006-08-01 @ 07:19
Comment from: Ron Mon [Member]
Charles Barkley wondered where all the subtlety's gone...that's so good it's really good. That one made me laugh. Round Mound of Rebound Rises Again! Of all the bleeping guys to have her pal around with, and her family chooses Ernie Els. Maybe one day she will have a "little lady" on her shoulder that whispers into her ear that she isn't good enough. Then she can hire Jos V. as a mind consultant...wait, I'm getting ahead of myself. I hope she wins and shuts down our blog machine. A Wie win will kill the antipathy between readers.
2006-08-01 @ 07:27
Comment from: Alex [Visitor] · http://Alex
Ron Mon, There is no further need for you to hope that Michelle Wie will win. I have already decreed that Bubbles WILL win at the Weetabix later this week. And I've already explained how she will win. She will spread-eagle the field by at least ten strokes. She can do things on a golf course that no other female can do. Most of the PGA pros can't match her shot making either. She hits her two-iron 250+ yards in the air. With the added roll due to the parched fairways, she won't need her driver since she will reach all the par fives in two. Just like Tiger. Her putting and short irons are the best on the LPGA tour. She won't even need her "A" game to trounce these others. Annika, Se Ri, and Karrie will soon be distant memories.
2006-08-01 @ 08:18
Comment from: Florida Mike [Visitor]
You guys are so tiresome.
2006-08-01 @ 09:09
Comment from: Frasier [Visitor]
"
I loved it because I despise what corporations are doing to the game I love, in the guise of this social engineering BS. The sad thing is that this girl doesn't have the right stuff, and maybe could have developed it if the hype machine wasn't there. She won't be around for long." Are you mates with Uri Geller? What possible basis can you base such an assumption on? I really can't see it. So, you're second at sixteen, gone at 20? Is that your belief? It just seems exceptionally strange to me. And by the way, I am not a "Wie warrior". I am not really into the LPGA to be honest. I just find it strange how someone can see someone come second at sixteen and then say "they'll be gone is a few years".
2006-08-01 @ 09:49
Comment from: tasha [Visitor]
Chris Baldwin is especially tiresome. Does he actually make a living writing this stuff and the sad thing is he actually believes his own hype. Ho hum.
2006-08-01 @ 09:51
Comment from: Alex [Visitor] · http://Alex
Florida Mike, Come on, man, get with it. Get on the bandwagon. This is the 21st century. Bubbles is the wave of the future as well as the present. The really savvy posters on these blogs have it right. The thought that a golfer should learn to win as an amateur before trying to win as a pro is as outdated as spats. Sure, Tiger, Phil, Chris, Justin, and a lot of others like Annika and Paula won as amateurs before their stellar careers as pros, but that was way back in the 1990's. That's ancient history. They were good, but they were not Bubbles. When she wins the Weetabix in a romp, her confidence will be such that another win at the Samsung will be a foregone conclusion. And don't count Bubbles out of the Omega Masters and the 84 Lumber, both heretofore men's events. Look for her to finish at least top five in both. I expect her to really do well at the Omega. She'll be accustomed to European courses by then and the field should be ripe for the taking. Who's in the field, anyway? Sergio, Ernie, Retief, Jose Maria, Miguel Angel, Colin, Padraig, Nicholas Fasth, Paul Casey, Robert Karllson, Ian, and Luke? All wannabe's or hasbeens. Folks, a new day is dawning and Bubbles is the sun!
2006-08-01 @ 09:52
Comment from: Florida Mike [Visitor]
Alex, Sarcasm does not become you. I truthfully think Ms Wie will start to win on the women's venues soon. I also think that she will make the cut and play well enough to exonerate herself, but I am unconvinced that her future lies on the PGA or other men's venues. I do believe as Mr Ogilvie said that once she starts winning, some of you will be sick of her winning. I (and my daughter) will continue watching and enjoying her career, without disecting it to death. As I have said before, for her age, Ms Wie handles herself with poise and proffesionalism. Underline for her age! not for her playing, but for her comments. She is more mature at 16 than many of the men and women playing on the PGA and LPGA tours. I did enjoy seeing the women congratulating each other after the Evian tournament and was also pleased to watch some of Ms. Gulbis' compadres rooting her on in her attempt at her first win. Too bad the PGA cannot follow suit.
2006-08-01 @ 10:25
Comment from: WieWarrior [Visitor]
Stats from 2006 LPGA tournaments (Kraft, LPGA Championship, US Women's Open, Evian) which included all major players:
Scoring Average: 1) Wie 70.06, 2) Webb 70.62, 3) Sorenstam 70.75, 4) Ochoa 70.81, 5) Pak 71.25, 6) Creamer 72.25. Money: 1) Webb $900K, 2) Sorenstam $727K, 3) Wie $576K, 4) Pak $542K, 5) Ochoa $376K, 6) Creamer $167K Media hype? Hardly. A 16 year scores more than one-half stroke per round less than the greatest women players in the world. This is no fluke. The greatest golfer that ever lived, Tiger, loses 75% of the time. At 16, Tiger wasn't capable of making a cut, let alone contend in a major. Mr. Baldwin, do you know anything about golf?
2006-08-01 @ 10:28
Comment from: Florida Mike [Visitor]
sorry dissecting and professionalism were mispelled in my earlier post. (for all the grammer police)
2006-08-01 @ 10:28
Comment from: Johnny N. [Visitor]
Chris Baldwin,
How is Paula Creamer doing? Perhaps this will help: Fields: Wie beat Creamer by 5 strokes. Kraft: Wie beat Creamer by 13 strokes. lpga: Wie beat Creamer by 10 strokes. us open: Wie beat Creamer by 8 strokes. Evian: Wie beat Creamer by 4 strokes.
2006-08-01 @ 10:47
Comment from: Alex [Visitor] · http://Alex
Florida Mike, Who's being sarcastic? Just because I'm a johnny-come-lately in the Wie Warrior ranks doesn't been I'm any less dedicated to Bubbles. Johnny N has got it right. Paula may have won four times last year and she may have done well as an amateur and at the "Q" school, but she is not now, nor never has been as good a golfer as Bubbles. If she were, she would have got the big bucks in endorsements instead of Bubbles. Karrie is also over rated. Oh sure, she won three times this year and lost another in a playoff. Big deal! How much does she get in endorsements? Okay, she won about thirty times, but most of those were before Bubbles came on the scene. Same for Annika. 70+ wins, but who did she beat? When Michelle starts her victory string this weekend, we'll see how many times over-the-hill Annika wins. All those hasbeens on the LPGA tour better get used to finishing second or lower. And Bubbles will definitely win and quite often on the PGA tour. A few months ago, one Wie fan said that Michelle wasn't done growing and that with weight training she would probably put on ten pounds of extra muscle. But recently another poster who is obviously in the know confided that in a few years, Bubbles will be 6'4", weigh 180 pounds, and be driving the ball 350 yards. Now, that may seem like exaggeration to some skeptics, but if you're a true believer, the sky's the limit.
2006-08-01 @ 11:57
Comment from: Alex_fan [Visitor]
Alex, I lost all respect for you. You were at least sane and occasionally funny, now you are a lunatic, just like Baldwin.
2006-08-01 @ 12:15
Comment from: John [Visitor]
Chris, what is it that you are expecting of her? She played golf with 2 Hall of Famer on Saturday and came in tied 2nd. Ahead of all the rest of the best women golfers in the world. Lets just forget that she is 16 for a minute, Michelle was fantastic. Is it the fact that she has chosen a different path than all before her that bothers you so much? Media hype and incomprehensible endorsements somehow cloud the picture. I'm just enjoying watching a sweet, sincere, attractive, and very talented 16 year old girl play some amazing golf.
2006-08-01 @ 12:16
Comment from: Florida Mike [Visitor]
I will believe you have had a change of heart when you quit calling her bubbles! As for her going to 6'4" and 180, if she does, I would test her for steroids, HGH, etc...
I have never claimed she was better than any golfer male or female. My position is she has a mixture of great golf athletic prowess, natural ability, is photogenic and is charming for her age. I continue to enjoy watching her golf and it is the same enjoyment I had when I watched Jack Nicklaus as a kid/young man and Tiger as he came on the scene. I believe Michelle is going to be a great golfer and a positive role model for years to come. I will also forever be grateful for her help in getting my daughter interested in Golf!!
2006-08-01 @ 12:21
Comment from: Paul W [Visitor]
Hey Chris,
A while ago you said if Paula went for a year without a win, you would write an article attacking her the way you attack Wie. Well it's been a year since the last Evian......
2006-08-01 @ 12:26
Comment from: Jim C [Visitor]
Paul W
Yes, but it has only been 9 months and 1 week since Paula Creamer's last JLPGA win.
2006-08-01 @ 12:43
Comment from: Wie Watcher [Visitor]
Hiya i've been reading the blogs w/ comments on wie and find them very entertaining, as I try to decipher the basis and the logic behind some posters comments about wie's progress in golf.
Anywho I decided to comment on this blog b/c it just confused me. Here's my observation so far when wie fans/ warriors profess how great Michelle Wie actually is the nay-sayers rip into them believing they think to highly of Michelle Wie, Yet when they don't profess how great she is by claiming she'll win the Evian the nay-sayers rip into them. Well this is lose lose situation for wie fans/warriors and a win win situation for the nay-sayers. The Wie fans/warriors are darned if they do and darned if they don't.
2006-08-01 @ 12:52
Comment from: Alex_fan [Visitor]
Is this the kid who you guys are ridiculing? She earned everything she has got. And, she has a heart, unlike many of you.
http://news.yahoo.com/photos/ss/events/sp/072206britishopen/im:/060801/483/04321d80429c437dab3313d9cc305581;_ylt=Anty9t3Hgpwi4Ib83jrB1SDNaMYA;_ylu=X3oDMTA5bGcyMWMzBHNlYwNzc25hdg--
2006-08-01 @ 12:52
Comment from: Alex [Visitor] · http://Alex
Florida Mike, I'm glad to see that you also admire Jack Nicklaus and T. Woods. But remember, neither of them have the credentials of Bubb--- er, Michelle Wie. Both of them had to go the routes of junior, amateur, and collegiate competition before they attempted the pros. I'm certain that they both would have liked to forgo such boring golf, but they just didn't have the game and they needed to cut their teeth on competition with their adolescent peers. Bu---, Michelle didn't need to follow such mundane pursuits. She was the complete package as a 13 year old. Some of her neanderthal skeptics are imbued with the out-dated notion that she hasn't won any events on the LPGA tour or made any cuts on the PGA or Nationwide tours, and that somehow those things should have some significance. We, as Wie Warriors, know differently. Lack of any wins and many missed cuts may be a sign of mediocrity for some, but not for Bub---, Michelle Wie.
2006-08-01 @ 12:57
Comment from: John [Visitor]
The fact that she skipped the junior and amateur route seems to be what
pisses so many people off, that somehow she was "too good" for that is a slap in the face to everyone else who did took that route. It was once said that jealousy is the trubute mediocrity pays to genius. That seems to ring very true with Michelles critics. Does she not belong right where she is at? She has revitalized women's golf, agree with her path or not.
2006-08-01 @ 13:19
Comment from: Florida Mike [Visitor]
Idio....er, Alex. Michelle Wie is anything but mediocre. I believe Jenny related in another blog the reasons that Ms Wie discontinued the amateur circuit and decided on the path that she is on. If need be I will research and find it. Suffice to say, that someone on her level (I point to her play of this year) there is no reason for her to be playing junior golf when she has proven that she can compete (excel?) at this level.
2006-08-01 @ 13:24
Comment from: Alex_fan [Visitor]
This will explain what winning on junior level will get you.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/golf/lpga/2006-07-31-lincicome_x.htm
2006-08-01 @ 13:37
Comment from: Derek [Visitor]
Ummm... Mr. Baldwin. You are the one who is transparent. You live in a separate dimension from impartiality. When the day comes that Wie does win and it will come and will also be followed by many others, I'm sure you will find a way to try to diminish that as well. You have already made up your mind about her and your position is separate from circumstance performance. Your gripes about Wie are petty and it's blatantly obvious.
Many pros on the LPGA would kill to have her record this year, even those who have won a tournament. Even with the limited number of tournaments she can play in and the fact that the season is only half through, she already has eclipsed the records that most pros on the LPGA will have by the end of the season. In the tournaments she and Sorenstam have played in at the same time this season, Wie has outperformed her more often than not, yet you don't gripe about Sorenstam. It is inevitable that Wie will master the art of winning; she's on the accelerated path if you think about it. She is outperforming so many that did their time in college and now are noobs to the LPGA. Like them she is learning the art of getting and maintaining a lead, but her record shows that she's learning faster - and this while having a whole separate and demanding life outside of golf. She's still a student and can't dedicate all of her time to practice as the pros can and do. To say she doesn't know how to win is silly. It's just a matter of time, and when it does come, it will be amusing to watch how you react. You will have to accept it, yet you will resist. You are biased and more transparent than anyone would hope to be. I don't know why you are so prejudiced against Wie, but get over yourself and address the positive.
2006-08-01 @ 13:43
Comment from: brittany [Visitor]
"I'm going to retire at 35," says Lincicome, 20.
"I want to fish all day or gamble all day. My goal is to make enough money to retire at 35."
2006-08-01 @ 13:46
Comment from: George [Visitor]
*Is this the kid who you guys are ridiculing?*
I hope Michelle didn't get apple juice on her mustache. ;) Seriously, so she offered her father some food. Cool. And? Are we supposed to abase ourselves in adoration of St. Michelle the Merciful because she happens to be part of the club of 5 billion-plus attentive children in the world? Just on the say-so of one of the Wie Lunatics on this blog? -George
2006-08-01 @ 14:04
Comment from: john [Visitor]
Now here is a great role model. Brittany encapsulates our society's problem.
Everybody wants it easy and fast, for what? So they can kick back and do nothing with their lives? Michelle is a positive role model who I for one, (father of four) want my kids to look up to. She busted down the door of status quo, well before her lucratuve endorsments came. Why? Because she loves the game and has an incredible talent. I beleive she is a sincere, genuine asset to the game. She wants to finish high school and go to college. Even while making 10 mil a year. If that does not speak of integrity what does.
2006-08-01 @ 14:06
Comment from: Alex [Visitor] · http://Alex
Florida Mike, Where did you get the idea that I referred to MW as mediocre? Winless or not, she is a bona fide superstar, make that megastar, an icon, a role model, a,a,a,-- well, you know what I mean. I've flatly stated that she will win the Weetabix in a romp. She will contend seriously in the Omega Masters AND the 84 Lumber. And that she will have at least six wins by this time next year. And what do you old time Wie Warriors bode for Bubbles? She will play well, she will enjoy herself, she will continue to inspire pre-teen girls to play golf, and other such pap. Wie Warriors, where is your confidence, your fire, your enthusiasm?
2006-08-01 @ 14:07
Comment from: Florida Mike [Visitor]
Hey Alex_fan, if you look at the money list> LPGA GO-GETTERS
Brittany Lincicome has outperformed the young stars who received the bulk of the hype entering the LPGA season: Player Events Wins Top-10s Earnings $ Rank Brittany Lincicome 15 1 4 $771,611 7 Paula Creamer 17 0 9 $739,421 11 Natalie Gulbis 18 0 6 $603,256 14 Ai Miyazato 16 0 3 $358,374 19 Morgan Pressel 15 0 4 $277,457 25 Michelle Wie 6 0 6 $700,284 * * Wie, who has finished no worse than a tie for fifth in her six events, is not an LPGA member so she does not appear on the money list. Her earnings would rank her 14th. you see that everyone but Michelle has played in at least 15 events and Michelle has won $700,284 in 6. This comes out to: Average per event Brittany = $51,400 Paula = $43,495 Natalie = $33,514 Ai = $22,398 Morgan = $18,497 Michelle = $116,714 THAT does not count as outperforming to me. Brittany complains that Michelle should play on the LPGA tour, but she cannot until 2008 due to her age. She is outperforming the other "young guns" by a margin of more than 2 to 1
2006-08-01 @ 14:11
Comment from: Florida Mike [Visitor]
Alex said:
Lack of any wins and many missed cuts may be a sign of mediocrity for some, but not for Bub---, Michelle Wie. short term memory problems are an ominous sign. When Michelle starts winning, ya'll will get sick of her winning.
2006-08-01 @ 14:15
Comment from: Alex_fan [Visitor]
I am with Florida Mike. Why do you think I posted the article? Did you know that Brittany won 60 out 100 events she entered. See, Michelle needs to win once in the next four years to match Brittany--a dominant player at junior level. Pretty tall order, ya think?
2006-08-01 @ 14:17
Comment from: Florida Mike [Visitor]
Alex_fan, I see where you are coming from.
George, How many other high profile golfers do you know who have given consistently to charities the way Michelle has. I am not just talking about the $500,00 given to Hurrikcane Katrina victims the day after her endorsment checks cleared. Everywhere she goes she looks to help with the local charities. I do not "worship" Ms Wie, but I did point out to my daughter the Katrina donation as an example. We live where Hurricane Ivan kicked butt, so it made a big impression with her. To those whom God has been kind, should be kind in their turn.
2006-08-01 @ 14:35
Comment from: Ford [Visitor]
I keep hearing how Michelle has raised the bar in the women's game. I was always under the impression that one had to first clear the bar before raising it. Was I alone in watching the replay of Laura Davies shanking her tee shot on 16 to the tune of 60 yards. This is the dominating hall of famer who Michelle so valiantly tied, 42 years old, overweight, at least 10 years past her prime and capable of hitting shots that would have a 20 handicapper throwing his clubs.
If Wie fans are satisfied with her top 5's, fine, but Michelle, Nike, Omega and B.J. expect more, namely wins. For over 3 years now the media, and Michelle's team have told us that a win was just around the corner for her, followed by domination of the LPGA tour and then finally conquest of the men's game. We are still stuck on phase one of the Michelle Wie world domination plan, "I'm getting really close" has replaced any bravado she once possesed. If her goal is to be a top 5 LPGA golfer then congratulations you're there Michelle, if you're goal is to known as the best player to never win anything, then by all means you have reached the summitt, but if you're goal is to live up to your own hype and be something more then a contender you have a lot of work to do.
2006-08-01 @ 14:47
Comment from: Florida Mike [Visitor]
Ford, I watched her working the other day in France. I expect to watch her working again Saturday. (I will be working myself during the telecasts Thurs, & Fri) I would love to see her win (I haven't forgot the bet), but She has done superbly this year and my advice for people new to this discussion is forget the hype and hoopla and just watch her play.
2006-08-01 @ 14:53
Comment from: Ford [Visitor]
Florida Mike--You have made an excellent point. Michelle should be commended for her charitable contributions. I want to make one thing perfectly clear, being critical of Michelle Wie's game or poking fun at her win total is in no way a personal attack on Michelle Wie the person. By all accounts she seems to be a nice young lady, a little like, ya know ditzy, but nice and generous just the same.
2006-08-01 @ 14:53
Comment from: Frasier [Visitor]
"
If Wie fans are satisfied with her top 5's, fine, but Michelle, Nike, Omega and B.J. expect more, namely wins. For over 3 years now the media, and Michelle's team have told us that a win was just around the corner for her, followed by domination of the LPGA tour and then finally conquest of the men's game. We are still stuck on phase one of the Michelle Wie world domination plan, "I'm getting really close" has replaced any bravado she once possesed. If her goal is to be a top 5 LPGA golfer then congratulations you're there Michelle, if you're goal is to known as the best player to never win anything, then by all means you have reached the summitt, but if you're goal is to live up to your own hype and be something more then a contender you have a lot of work to do." Is the reason you don't like Wie is the hype? Because that's all I'm hearing. There's something worse than hype; and that's anti-hype. It's people who say they can't stand someone or something because it is hyped. It happened to Tiger as well. I am not saying Wie will become anything for definate. But the chances are that she will. When you come second at sixteen, then one would presume you can win when you are older. Maybe it doesn't pan out like that. But it probably will.
2006-08-01 @ 15:09
Comment from: Florida Mike [Visitor]
Ford, I appreciate your distinction in your last post, I have commented once b4 that while me and you disagree on this subject, you have always kept your comments at an intelectual level. The vitriol and disrespect that some of the others who post, was what got me responding to these blogs in the first place. I also do not give in to the concept that Michelle Wie is "God's Gift to Golfing" either. She is a "Phenom" in all aspects of the word and is just now honing her game to play at the professional level. She has been a Pro golfer for less than a year and I feel people have picked her apart mercilessly for inadequate reasons. Let the girl dream and let the girl play. Time will take care of the rest.
2006-08-01 @ 15:12
Comment from: john [Visitor]
Ford, I as well appreciate that your arguments at least have some basis
of reason and that you don't stoop to base, vulgar remarks. However I still have to disagree with you. She has raised the bar for women's golf. She competed brilliantly this past week against the best. If you belittle her performance by taking swipes at Davies, what does that say about Annika or Lorenas game? What is precisely the amazing thing to me about Michelle is that for the past year she has been in the top 5 about every tournament. No other women or man can say that. Correct me if I'm wrong on that last statement. Is that not an amazing feat, and I know you hate to hear it but even more so for a 16 year old high school girl who has to go back to class in a couple weeks.
2006-08-01 @ 16:06
Comment from: MikeW [Visitor]
Chris, since you are so sure that Michelle Wie is incapable of winning, why not put your money where your mouth is? I'll even give you favourable odds. Let's see now:
I'll give you 10-1 odds that she never wins an LPGA tournament (barring serious injury). In fact, I will make the deal even sweeter, I'll give you 10-1 odds against her winning before she turns 21. Put up $200 and I'll put up $2000. Just contact me via my email address that comes along with this post any we'll sort out the arrangements. Should be the easiest $2000 you ever made, right? I'm serious about the offer. Are you a man of your convictions or does your blog contain nothing but weasel words as most of us suspect?
2006-08-01 @ 16:07
Comment from: Military_Golfer [Visitor]
Ford. don't hold back. Wie "WILL" win a bunch of tournaments, and soon! And when she starts, there's no telling how many records she will break. She is already breaking records for her performance at her age. Evian masters was her most solid round yet. She had three good rounds. People forget that it took a hell of a round by Karie to beat her, and a lucky putt at 17 ... but even Tiger says "you need some luck to win". It also took a hell of a last round by Karrie at the Kraft Nabisco to beat Wie. And ofcourse again, a lucky "holing it from the fairway" on 18 for an eagle. Granted MW made an inexperienced poor decision to chip instead of putt and ran it by to end up a stroke out of the playoff.
I will also note that as luck or lack of it goes, her second shot into the par 5 18th roled gently around the back of the green and could have easily turned toward the hole as much as it drifted off the back. You can't fault the girl for trying. The ball will start bouncing her way .... but then the Fords, and Alex's of the world, oh1 dont forget George, will cry foul! foul! she was just lucky. Did U see that?! Guys, she's banked more money than the Paula's and Morgan or Brittneys in just 6 events for the 15 or so they have played. in the background.
2006-08-01 @ 16:25
Comment from: Ford [Visitor]
Cry foul, call her lucky, utter lame excuses...Not me my friend. I'll leave that to you and to her legions of fans who after every tournament do exactly what you just did in your latest blog. Read your email again, you offer a half a dozen excuses why Michelle has not won yet and then you have the nerve to warn me not to "cry foul" if she ever actually wins. Wie's fans are the only ones offering up any excuses for her near misses and obvious shortcomings in the clutch. If and when she wins I will congratulate her, regradless of the circumstances and say it's about time.
2006-08-01 @ 16:44
Comment from: Ghet Rheel [Visitor]
Is there any way to format this blog so I don't have to
move the horizontal slide bar back and forth to read each line? Same problem on Dot Wong's blog.
2006-08-01 @ 17:04
Comment from: Jim C [Visitor]
Ford--After shanking the ball on 16, Laura Davies hit a great second shot over the trees.
But great shot or not, some people might say Laura Davies was lucky to wind up with the shortest birdie putt on the hole(and one on the same line as the other two so she had two great reads before she had to putt.}
2006-08-01 @ 17:08
Comment from: M [Visitor]
This guy Baldwin is such a one-trick pony. He realizes people read him only because he bashes Michelle Wie. Not for his insight (none), writing skill (none), or humor (less than none). So, he realizes he has this good thing going only until Michelle wins enough that his stupid rants attacking a 16-year old girl become even more irrelevant than they are now.
I guess, though, that I'm playing his game by even being here. I guess I can't help it, Baldwin is like a train wreck or other disaster, and draws people like any other bizzare occurrence. In a year he'll be either gone, or his readership will be back down to the internet equivalent of single digits. Enjoy your readership now, it won't be here for very long.
2006-08-01 @ 17:14
Comment from: Jim C [Visitor]
Ghet Rheel--
I get a decent format FOR A MOMENT, which then shifts to the horrible one. PEOPLE PLEASE USE THE ENTER KEY TO FORMAT YOUR LINES LIKE I AM DOING, LIKE GHET RHEEL AND A NUMBER OF OTHERS ARE DOING. THANK YOU.
2006-08-01 @ 17:15
Comment from: Florida Mike [Visitor]
Jim C, this just started today, so I was unaware that others were having the same problem
I wonder where Alex went? Intelligent conversation seems to shut him up!
2006-08-01 @ 17:18
Comment from: Alex_fan [Visitor]
I am sorry folks, I suspect that the poor formating has something to do
with me posting that yahoo picture link earlier. I tried to paste it in Site/Url area but it was not accepted. I don't mind if the blogmaster removes it. Again, my apologies if that was the reason.
2006-08-01 @ 17:22
Comment from: Ghet Rheel [Visitor]
On August 1, 2006 Golf writer Chris Baldwin wrote:
"...Michelle Wie is incapable of winning." That quote will follow you for a long, long time. I've pasted it and saved it. I'd encourage other Wie supporters to do the same. Seems to me you've made a pretty steep bet with all your current and future readers - you know, like your credibility as a golf analyst.
2006-08-01 @ 17:26
Comment from: john [Visitor]
To predict anyone to win would be a bad bet,
even if you put your money on #1 Annika. The fact is that when Michele is 2nd or 3rd, she is soundly beating 99% of the best women golfers in the world. To do this every time you enter a tournament is phenomenal. You can always go back and look a particular shot and say that is the one that either won or lost a tournament. The thing is everyone has some lucky breaks, and some unlucky ones. Look at the bounce off the tree for MW on the 18th on friday.The best 4 rounds wins. This tends to average out the lucky from the unlucky. Look at Michelle's average round score for the year. That is a very compelling statistic. Her consisitency makes her the best women golfer on the tour at this time. That is in my humble opinion!
2006-08-01 @ 17:31
Comment from: john [Visitor]
I'm new to this blogging thing. Is Chris Baldwin really
a golf analyst? To be a analyst don't you need to actually know something about the game and make some reasonably sound observations as objectivley as possible. His blog is just another opinion by one of Michelle's cynical naysayers. To whom I might add, have every right to post their opinions. But to call yourself an analyst, I guess ESPN is just having a hard time getting in touch with me because I guess with your credentials, that makes me qualified to be their programing director.
2006-08-01 @ 17:56
Comment from: Johnny N. [Visitor]
Alex,
Your sarcasm in your posts adds nothing positive to the blogs. You would be better off just trying to make decent points. Compliments to Alex for one thing though. He used to flounder over everything Under Par said, and when Alex made a comment, he would usually, look for reassurance from under par in every comment he made. At least Alex has got a little more independant and isn't looking to Under Par so often for reassurance. What happened to Under Par anyway?
2006-08-01 @ 18:11
Comment from: Alex [Visitor] · http://Alex
Attention all gutless Wie Warriors! I've outright predicted a runaway victory for Bubbles at the Weetabix. How say ye? Will she thrash the field? Or will it be "I'm getting real close?" Come on, none of this "if she has her iron game going" or "maybe the wind will affect her" or "if her putting holds up." Come on, guys! You've built her up to the high heavens, now put your money where your mouth is! I say she wins in a walk. One-Putt, putt4par, Florida Mike, what do you predict? And hold your comments about me. This thread is all Bubbles.
2006-08-01 @ 18:17
Comment from: Johnny N. [Visitor]
Hey guy who runs this board.
Can you fix the text wrap thing, because when someone posts a web address, or a long line, it just makes the thing really wide. wideeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Get the point? Fix it because that has happened in a number of blogs. And it makes them annoying for reading, when scrolling left and right. Fix it please. http://news.yahoo.com/photos/ss/events/sp/072206britishopen/im:/060801/483/04321d80429c437dab3313d9cc305581;_ylt=Anty9t3Hgpwi4Ib83jrB1SDNaMYA;_ylu=X3oDMTA5bGcyMWMzBHNlYwNzc25hdg--
2006-08-01 @ 18:17
Comment from: Johnny N. [Visitor]
Alex,
I predict Wie will put in another good performance. I also predict she will put in a performance that would win many tournaments. Annika will want number 11 though and if she is playing well, then she is the favourite.
2006-08-01 @ 18:20
Comment from: Alex [Visitor] · http://Alex
Florida Mike, About ten hours ago, your only comment was "You guys are tiresome." Since then you've posted about a dozen times and even asked where I was. Could it be that we are not so tiresome after all?
2006-08-01 @ 18:23
Comment from: Alex [Visitor] · http://Alex
Johnny N, So your prediction is that Bubbles will have a good performance? How courageous of you! I'll bet that you will also predict that the Atlantic Ocean will be damp.
2006-08-01 @ 18:34
Comment from: maui john [Visitor]
Win, place or show, that is the question.
Here's the deal though, you have better odds of Michelle placing in the top 3 than anyone. Michell, Karrie, Se Ri,Annika, then Lorena. In that order. Fine, are you happy Alex, I'm out dangling on a limb.
2006-08-01 @ 18:36
Comment from: Ghet Rheel [Visitor]
The thrust of Chris's article (and to be fair, articles by a number
of other golf bloggers) is clear. It is an unfounded slam against a brilliant young talent. It is that: "...Michelle Wie is incapable of winning." To say that it is "a bad bet" to the predict a winner of any single event is dead right. Team sports usually compete weekly on a one-on-one basis. Golfers play against a field. This week, Wie will compete against about 150 of the world's best golfers. As you point out, she will need some lucky breaks to win - as will the winner if someone else takes the title. The monumental achievement for Wie is being "in the hunt" week after week. She is "in position" on a regular basis. A high-school probabilities class should provide sufficient background to predict that a brilliant young golfer who is learning more of "the ropes" each week, will likely soon get the good fortune needed win. At a time when the LPGA is stumbling, the LPGA brain-trust searches for strategies to keep Michelle out. John Nash won a Nobel prize for his Game Theory. He pointed out in the "prisoner's dilemma" game, that "self-interest hurts everyone". In other words - what do you do with a Golden Goose? You try to kill it, of course. Bloggers should be in a unique position to read the will of the people. A quick look at the number of comments in the travelgolf blogs, shows strong interest in Wie, while little or none for other topics. Golf has a sudden tidal wave of broad-based interest in the game. The smart thing to do would be roll with that wave. The predictable (game theory) reaction is occurring in board-rooms, PGA offices (with noteable exceptions), LPGA offices, and bloggers brains as we speak.
2006-08-01 @ 18:40
Comment from: Alex [Visitor] · http://Alex
Ghet Rheel, In answer to the question "Will Bubbles win the Weetabix?", I will assume that your answer is a definite maybe.
2006-08-01 @ 19:28
Comment from: Ghet Rheel [Visitor]
Alex
Yes, precisely.
2006-08-01 @ 19:35
Comment from: Jenney M. [Visitor]
Ghet Rheel,
I agree. I don't see a "definite maybe" as a bad thing. It's better than "most likely not" or "maybe if someone dies." A definite maybe means they are actually in contention rather than not even breaking the top 10. If we knew definitely who would win absolutely, why would we bother to watch any sporting event? Of course there is enjoyment in observing the skill and performance, but in the end it is about finding out who wins.
2006-08-01 @ 21:53
Comment from: Booger [Visitor]
Only a degenerate communist could be a Michelle Wie fan.
2006-08-01 @ 22:33
Comment from: george [Visitor]
*****
George, How many other high profile golfers do you know who have given consistently to charities the way Michelle has. ***** A couple of easy-to-find examples: 2006 - Paula Creamer, in conjunction with IMG Academies, is giving back to the local junior golf community by offering two, one-year golf scholarships and 40 week-long golf scholarships to the David Leadbetter Golf Academy (DLGA) for area kids participating in the First Tee of Sarasota/Manatee program. 2005, Mitchell company tour for champions - Creamer and three other golfers donate $100 per birdie in tourney to charity. Paula also did several first-tee events, giving of her own time. She also participated in some charity golf events. Also note this link from a July 20th article: http://www.bradenton.com/mld/bradenton/sports/15078393.htm Finally, go to the charitable giving section at the LPGA web site. You'll be set straight there. I realize what others do is not as wonderful as St. Michelle the Merciful handing out an apple slice, or making a carefully staged, highly publicized donation to hurricane victims right after she announced her big contract. Then again, only one female golfer in the world got $20 million over two years from Nike/Sony. I do not slight Michelle here. I only point out how you are just the latest to be duped by the hype machine that pumps out PR for Michelle. You doubtless thought Michelle was the only one giving time/money worth mentioning to charity. But why should you be blamed? Ignorance is bliss, after all, happy poster. And saints like Michelle the Merciful are few and far between. -George
2006-08-02 @ 02:27
Comment from: AJ [Visitor]
No matter how much you complain, yap, and dis her like the drag queen in heat that you are about Ms. Wie, you still watch don't you?
you may give yourselve what ever reason why you watch but you watch anyway. That alone jusitfies the endorsements. Bottom line is that she is doing something you will NEVER do or hope to do, no one will pay money to watch you play ever, no one will ever give you an exemption ever, and no one will ever want you to endorse any thing of value. How many people repley to this blog? 50? 100? say even 200, complared to the support, admiration that Ms. Wie does get? there are over 300 that I known of in my son's school alone. The real bottom line is this: How much did you make this weekend you dumb shit?
2006-08-02 @ 03:15
Comment from: Military_Golfer [Visitor]
Bold prediction ... stated with conviction! Alex pay attention. You can
pin this above your bed lest U forget. After a brief peak into the annuls of recent golf history, Bubbles, at 15 last year, beat the whole field in the last three days of the weetabix tournament. She opened with a 75. With her experience to date she will have a decent opening round and proceed to lead into the fianl round. Annika will mount a charge but to no avail. The last group will have Paula Creamer (it's about time) Wie, and Lorena Ochoa. Karrie will not be in contension this week Lorena will perform her classic choke and fade. It will be a duel between Paula and Wie on the back nine ...... Paula will bogie the 419 yard par 4 17th, Wie will par it and birdie the 18th to win by 3 strokes. Paula's problem will be the pressure to prove a point against Wie. Wie knowing she owns her in the last 5 tournaments will be cool as ice! Are you happy now Alex? That thud you heard was the guntlet buddy.
2006-08-02 @ 03:17
Comment from: Military_Golfer [Visitor]
PS: "fianl" is really "final"
and "guntlet" was really "gauntlet" I know the english majors still lurk.
2006-08-02 @ 03:22
Comment from: One-Putt [Visitor]
I think Laura summed up what we all feel about bloggers and posters who dismiss Michelle's level of play:
Telegraph Online UK Davies and Wie show mutual respect By Lewine Mair As for Davies, she sees Wie as the proverbial breath of fresh air. "Anyone who has any complaints about Michelle is either crackers or a bit jealous," she said in these columns yesterday. Now this comes from one of her contemporaries playing right alongside her in tournaments and I believe she hit the nail right on the head. So think about it Chris, Tim, Ron, Dot, Ford, George, Judge or Alex. Which category do you fall into?
2006-08-02 @ 03:22
Comment from: Ghet Rheel [Visitor]
Jenney
Nicklaus won 20% of the time, Woods wins 25%, Anika wins 30%. So, with the winningest player in the game "losing" 7 out of ten times, a "definite maybe" is as good as it gets. Here are some stats from Florida Mike, Johnny N., and WieWarrior. Average per event (young guns) Brittany = $51,400 Paula = $43,495 Natalie = $33,514 Ai = $22,398 Morgan = $18,497 Michelle = $116,714 How is Paula Creamer doing? Perhaps this will help: Fields: Wie beat Creamer by 5 strokes. Kraft: Wie beat Creamer by 13 strokes. lpga: Wie beat Creamer by 10 strokes. us open: Wie beat Creamer by 8 strokes. Evian: Wie beat Creamer by 4 strokes. Scoring Average: 1) Wie 70.06 2) Webb 70.62 3) Sorenstam 70.75 4) Ochoa 70.81 5) Pak 71.25 6) Creamer 72.25 Bashers, where's your statistical support that Wie isn't "right on track" for winning, and winning often? Lyndon Baines Johnson had a phrase for lost political causes. When asked how strong the support was for an upcoming bill in congress, LBJ said, "Its thin boys, thinner than piss on a rock." Bashers, statistical support for your view of Wie's prospects is thinner yet. Again: On August 1, 2006 Golf writer Chris Baldwin wrote: "...Michelle Wie is incapable of winning." Chris, are you really that clueless? Or do you think we are.
2006-08-02 @ 03:25
Comment from: Military_Golfer [Visitor]
Ghet_Rheel, for "real" you outdid yourself on this one. "applause". I'll add
one thing, Wie is getting her low scoring average on the tougher courses, most being majors where scores tend to be higher. I am waiting to see what the bashers have as a rebuttal. The numbers don't lie. Heh heh heh!
2006-08-02 @ 03:50
Comment from: One-Putt [Visitor]
"Comment from: Ghet Rheel [Visitor]
Average per event (young guns) Brittany = $51,400 Paula = $43,495 Natalie = $33,514 Ai = $22,398 Morgan = $18,497 Michelle = $116,714 I think it is important to note this average is nearly $25,000 per event higher than last season for Michelle. In 2005 Paula averaged about $30,000 less per event while playing in 25 events. Ah continuous improvement. If I remember correctly, I earned $116,564 less per week from my high school part time job. Damn that 69 GTO would have MINE! I wonder what Michelle will be driving to school this year?
2006-08-02 @ 05:38
Comment from: Ghet Rheel [Visitor]
One-Putt
Please check my math, but at the rate Paula is gaining on Michelle (in per-event earnings), Paula should catch up with Michelle in about January of the year 2021. [5K gain per year - $73,219 differential] -
2006-08-02 @ 06:31
Comment from: JR [Visitor]
Thought you guys might enjoy this... seems that MW is firing back (ie..taking pot shots) at unnamed players...
Q: How frustrating is it to finish so high every week, but not be able to break through for a win yet? MICHELLE WIE: Well, you know, obviously it's very frustrating right after you finish playing. It's like, oh my God, I was close again. If you look at the overall if you look at overall year, I feel like this is the best I've ever played. And obviously I wish I could have won a couple of events, but hey, at least I'm not winning one event and then missing the cut in another. I'm consistently being up there. I'm consistently playing good golf. I think a win is coming. It's just depends on how lucky you are that week and how good you're playing. I feel like I'm playing very solidly. You know, obviously it's been a little bit frustrating that I haven't been able to, you know, go up to the next step but I feel like it's happening. It's not because I'm lacking anything. It's just when you look back on a week, it's just a shot here, a shot there. By doing this, I feel I'm learning how to win. I feel like I've been playing the best I ever have, you know, consistent wise. ..... so much her not stooping to the level of others..... Interesting... very interesting....
2006-08-02 @ 08:07
Comment from: JR [Visitor]
Ghet Rheel... you are making a huge assumption that when MW starts to play a full schedule that
she is going to keep her pace of top 5 finishes going... the same thing goes for stroke average. Once she plays a full schedule, and at the end of that year we can see what the scoring averages are... then it will be time to boast or hang your head.
2006-08-02 @ 08:10
Comment from: Ford [Visitor]
One-Putt, I fall into the category of people who don't give a rats ass about over-the-hill, overweight LPGA players think. I still have not yet figured out how questioning Michelle's ability to win brands someone crackers or jealous.
2006-08-02 @ 09:02
Comment from: Alex [Visitor] · http://Alex
Ghet Rheel, Statistics and even math can sometimes tell a confusing story. To take your analogy to it's logical conclusion, one could just as easily say that the way Bubbles is gaining on Paula in the number of wins, it will take her.....beyond forever to catch her. Of course, a true Wie Warrior knows that Bubbles gets off the schneid this weekend, don't we?
2006-08-02 @ 09:25
Comment from: Johnny N. [Visitor]
Ford comment:
I fall into the category of people who don't give a rats ass about over-the-hill, overweight LPGA players think ______________________________________________ So what you don't care about what Nancy Lopez has to say then.
2006-08-02 @ 10:24
Comment from: Ghet Rheel [Visitor]
Bashers
These stats are worth repeating: Here are some stats from Florida Mike, Johnny N., and WieWarrior. Average per event (young guns) Brittany = $51,400 Paula = $43,495 Natalie = $33,514 Ai = $22,398 Morgan = $18,497 Michelle = $116,714 How is Paula Creamer doing? Perhaps this will help: Fields: Wie beat Creamer by 5 strokes. Kraft: Wie beat Creamer by 13 strokes. lpga: Wie beat Creamer by 10 strokes. us open: Wie beat Creamer by 8 strokes. Evian: Wie beat Creamer by 4 strokes. Scoring Average: 1) Wie 70.06 2) Webb 70.62 3) Sorenstam 70.75 4) Ochoa 70.81 5) Pak 71.25 6) Creamer 72.25 Military_Golfer points out Michelle's scoring average comes mostly from the tough "Majors" courses. When she begins playing a full schedule (adding easier layouts) her scoring average will further improve. Another of John Nash's Game Theory tenets is, "where actions defy logic, there is a prevailing self-interest". So, a sixteen-year old golf star is rewriting the record books, and yet the Bashers wail, "SHE'LL NEVER WIN". In the face of the stats, Bashers, you'd have to be CRUSHINGLY STUPID to think she can't win. Bashers, I have never met ANYONE that crushingly stupid. So, in the only alternative, what's your prevailing self-interest?
2006-08-02 @ 11:25
Comment from: putt4par [Visitor]
Comment from: Johnny N. [Visitor]
Ford comment: I fall into the category of people who don't give a rats ass about over-the-hill, overweight LPGA players think ______________________________________________ So what you don't care about what Nancy Lopez has to say then. ------------------------------------------------------- They only care if it' detrimental to MW, you know that Johnny. Same as JR spinning Wies comment about not missina the cut, etc. They will all read whatever they want into any comment made about/by/for MW. And cheer loudly at any negative comments. It's all about the hype you know !! And we all know that's bullsh*t too.
2006-08-02 @ 11:25
Comment from: Alex [Visitor] · http://Alex
Ghet Rheel, I honestly believe that Bubbles will win some day, maybe even this weekend, but "She's re-writing the record books"is going a bit too far, don't you think? Just which records has she re-written? Don't count the number of sponsors' exemptions or missed cuts in men's event
2006-08-02 @ 11:47
Comment from: Jim C [Visitor]
I have an idea for measuring stroke averages.
It doesn't take strength of field into account. but it does take course difficulty into accout. Compare a player's score to Field: the winner--or the second place finisher if the player was the winner. Doing this for Annika for her great year last year. I got a Field + 26, but giving Annika a -1 for one playoff, whiche she won, it would become Field + 25 over 70 rounds of stroke play. This would be a per round average of Field + -0.371 if we ignore the playoff, which Annika won, or Field + 0.357 if we make the adjustment. This year Michelle Wie is Field + 7 for 19 rounds of stroke play. That is an average of Field + 0.368 or very close to what Annika did last year.
2006-08-02 @ 11:56
Comment from: Ghet Rheel [Visitor]
re: records for first-year pros -
Most consecutive top 5's, lowest scoring average, highest winnings per event. You could list many more first-year marks, but the three above are highly significant. Scoring average has always been king in pro golf. She's half-a-stroke+ per round ahead of them all. That's 2+ strokes (per 4-day tourney) ahead of Webb and Sorenstam, and 8+ strokes ahead of Creamer. Wie will win soon enough. Only her Bashers have their panties in a bunch as to when.
2006-08-02 @ 12:35
Comment from: Alex [Visitor] · http://Alex
Attention Wie Warriors! There has been a new, revolutionary statistic just formulated to judge the abilty of golfers. It's really something you might understand . It's called the NUMBER OF WINS! What a novel idea! Very easy to comprehend for most people.
2006-08-02 @ 12:37
Comment from: Military_Golfer [Visitor]
Ghet_Rheel, the rebuttal from the bashers seems tame by recent standards!
Alez, Wie will win soon. Bashers in general - As much as you are bagging on Wie Warriors, I have the feeling you are waiting eagerly for tomorrows "tee-off", and I don't mean the Buick Open. It's funny how Wie seems to bring even the basher crowds for someone who is "soooo overated."
2006-08-02 @ 12:42
Comment from: putt4par [Visitor]
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Comment from: Ghet Rheel [Visitor] re: records for first-year pros - Most consecutive top 5's, lowest scoring average, highest winnings per event. You could list many more first-year marks, but the three above are highly significant. Scoring average has always been king in pro golf. She's half-a-stroke+ per round ahead of them all. That's 2+ strokes (per 4-day tourney) ahead of Webb and Sorenstam, and 8+ strokes ahead of Creamer. Wie will win soon enough. Only her Bashers have their panties in a bunch as to when. ------------------------------------------------------------ 2006-08-02 @ 12:35 The whole problem with Baldwin, Alex and the whole slamming/bashing/bitching crew is that they are like most children. American society has raised expectations so that the aforementioned group demand instant gratification and when they don't get it, they whine and snivel like spoiled brats. It's all everyone elses fault. You see, as far as they are concerned, MW is a machine that should produce instantaneous results to match those ingrates expectations. Besides, where else can Alex show of his snide mouth anonymously with out fear of retribution? And then have the guts to chide others for being snide. That was one of your more humorous posts, Alex.
2006-08-02 @ 12:49
Comment from: Alex_fan [Visitor]
Ahhh, Alex, you finally came back to your sense,
admitting Michelle will win. I'm back in your fan club. Ford and George, stop ending your nasty comments with "I do not slight Michelle here" or "this is not personal attack on Michelle." Who do you think you are fooling? What you have done is nothing but those. George, you just looooooooooove Creamer. We got it. But nobody cares about the overrated "the pink panther."
2006-08-02 @ 12:59
Comment from: Ford [Visitor]
Alex_fan---Correctly stating her win total is not a nasty comment, just as questioning her ability to win is not an attack on her, it is simply an opinion, one which as long as she continues to fail to seal the deal has quite a bit of merit. If I were comment on Michelle's gawky appeare | ||||||
