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Comment from: TW [Visitor]
I think this was a great win for Kimberly Kim and her golfing abilities. To bad Chris, you spent most of your article bashing Michelle Wie instead of praising Kimberly's accomplishment. I read several media coverage of her win and you are the only onew that even mentioned Michelle. So why do you feel it was necessary to bring Michelle into it at all.
2006-08-14 @ 02:39
Comment from: Chris Baldwin [Member] Email
Teaser on Yahoo Sports' top story:

"Move over Michelle Wie – a 14-year-old has become the youngest winner of the U.S. Women's Amateur."

Headline on MSNBC.com's story on Kim's win:

"The Next Wie? 14-year-old makes history"

Guess, you're really hitting the big boys in your media blanket of Kim's win, TW. Who'd you read that didn't mention Wie? The Podunk Express?

Or maybe, you're just a Wie Warrior who threw another ridiculous conspiracy charge out there without doing any research.
2006-08-14 @ 03:05
Comment from: hc2 [Visitor]
I agree that it's easier to relate to Kimberly Kim since she presents herself more like the typical teen who is there enjoying the moment. She is genuine for sure.
Michelle has become a prisoner of her own ambition. Wanting to own the world with the palm of her hand. I predict Michelle will get burned out, will get sick and tired of golf and the high expectations she has placed on herself. I wouldn't be surprised of a serious injury while playing in the PGA: rough, etc.
2006-08-14 @ 03:13
Comment from: Ron [Visitor]
Hmmm, who was last year's winner who knows how to win? Wasn't it Morgan Pressel? Gee, I can't recall a win by her since she turned pro.
2006-08-14 @ 03:37
Comment from: Brandon Tucker [Member] Email
What are the chances Team Wie tries to scoop Kim's caddy who's "smashmouth" advice was credited for the turnaround?
Actually, the Wie's are probably too dumb to go after him.
2006-08-14 @ 04:16
Comment from: arnold [Visitor]
Has there been anyone more obsessed with another than you with Michelle Wie. Do you eat, drink, and sleep Wie? Do you dream about Wie? I think you need help, seriously.
2006-08-14 @ 05:03
Comment from: pelesfire [Visitor]
arnold:

Actually what he really needs is hits to justify his tenuous existence. All of his other mindless, boring, non-Michelle posts combined don't generate the hits one of his Michelle hack pieces does. He knows it, travel golf knows it and we all know it. It is painfully humourous to read his pathetic attempts to get away from capitalizing on Michelle's stardom.

On a couple of recent occasions he even went two, three hack pieces in a row without nary a mention. Mr. Baldwin, isn't it strange (sad?) how no one cares about your pathetic attempts at journalism. Hey, btw, how is Ms. Creamer these days? Haven't seen anything about her lately. Did she finally resort to a restraining order? One could certainly see that coming

The rest of travel golf's "members" have now caught on and routinely throw Michelle's name in their titles to generate interest. I'm sure travel golf has erected a shrine to give thanks to her daily replete with dangling earrings which Mr. Baldwin must constantly change to keep his menial job. If they haven't, they should.

We all know its about the hits. None of you truly believe the baloney you write.

No shame in making a buck of course, wink wink, unless you happen to be the best young female golfer on the planet. Then, your parents are nothing but exploiters, you are a spolied brat and you have no right to have your agent fire a clueless caddy. Oh, the nerve on that spoiled brat and her undeserving family.
2006-08-14 @ 05:36
Comment from: June [Visitor]
Chris, Chris,

please hold your breath for 6 minutes? You will do a great favor to human race.
2006-08-14 @ 07:07
Comment from: wiewin [Visitor]
Chris, I think the only reason people read your chidlish blog is that it's about Wie. so although you're making your living by critisizing wie, you should be thanking her for getting you lots of attention!

Again, Thank her~
2006-08-14 @ 07:11
Comment from: putt4par [Visitor]
Chris, why not enlighten the world and tell us why you have a personal vendetta for Michelle Wie.

I would have to believe that publishing a blog aimed at bashing a young girl for almost 3 years must have some personal satisfaction for you.
You have proven to the world how childish you are, now tell us why you have such a hatred for her that you have kept up this type of public harrassment. The Wie family (or Michelle Wie herself)must have done something to you personally to make you this bitter. I cannot imagine what a child could possibly do to you that you feel the need to publicly hound her.

If there is nothing personal in all this, then I wold suggest that you have gone beyond any semblance of sanity and really should seek help for your mental illness.
2006-08-14 @ 09:32
Comment from: TW [Visitor]
Chris,

Yes your right, Chris, MSNBC, did mention Wie in the headline, then that was it,the rest was the same AP article that never mentions her. So for you to reference it just shows how far you go to try and back-up your personal bashing of Michelle. I think as WieWin said you need to thank Michelle for doing what she does or you would be unemployed if you had to rely on your writing ability.
2006-08-14 @ 10:04
Comment from: TW [Visitor]
BTW Chris,

I read your Bio for Travel Golf. I think you need to remove the "objective eye" from it. You are far from being objective.
2006-08-14 @ 10:20
Comment from: Johnny N. [Visitor]
Congratulations to Kimberly Kim for becoming the 2nd youngest usga amateur winner of an ADULT title.

The youngest winner was Michelle Wie.

Hopefully Kimberley will go on to have a successful lpga career.

By the way Kimberley also did very well to qualify for the US Womens Open, and very very well to make the cut, although she placed 23 shots behind Michelle.

Michelle Wie +2
Kimberley Kim +25
2006-08-14 @ 10:23
Comment from: Johnny N. [Visitor]
Kimberley Kim at the US Womens Open:

- drove 28.5 yards less than Michelle Wie.
- hit 3 less greens in regulation. Very good effort.
- Took 14 more putts. Maybe Michelle is a good putter actually.
2006-08-14 @ 10:34
Comment from: Bill [Visitor]
Chris...

Ought to make it daily you go after Wie. Maybe twice a day...

She and her greedy family, and Nike, and posh advertising firm deserve all the crap you dish out.

It also gives these idiots who rip you something to do...

Why not read the man's thoughts, let it drop, or don't read his column at all. He obviously thinks Wie is being exploited and has been raised to a level way above her present accomplishments...

Hey rippers, get a life. And Chris... Get a bigger pot to stir!!!
2006-08-14 @ 11:11
Comment from: Ford [Visitor]
Johnny--Michelle won the Publinx a far inferior amateur title and remember as far as comparing her results to Michelle's at the US Open, SHE IS ONLY 14.

Boy, that felt good to say. What comes around goes around.
2006-08-14 @ 11:17
Comment from: ToddCommish [Visitor]
The only person more predictable than Baldwin and his anti-Wie ramblings is you brainless Wie-Warriors that keep taking his bait. Over. And. Over.

Even monkeys learn from their mistakes. I'm a Wie-skeptic (and a BJ-basher), and even I know when Baldwin is trolling for hits and comments. You Baldwin-bashers should treat him the way Democrats treat Pat Robertson and Republicans treat Jesse Jackson... Let him make the other side look bad with his petty ramblings and STFU.

At this point, the only person who can stop this cycle of antagonism is Wie herself. Winning a tourney, ANY tourney, would quiet Baldwin down. Of course, that would start the Warriors crowing incessantly in the trees.... Sigh.
2006-08-14 @ 11:34
Comment from: Johnny N. [Visitor]
Comment from Ford:
Johnny--Michelle won the Publinx a far inferior amateur title and remember as far as comparing her results to Michelle's at the US Open, SHE IS ONLY 14.

Boy, that felt good to say. What comes around goes around.
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Good comment Ford. Kimberly is only 14, and it's unfair to compare her US Open performance to Michelle, who is one of the best female players in the game.

Perhaps it is much fairer to compare their US Womens Open performances when at the same ages. Good point.


US Womens Open:
Kimberly at 14 years old: 66th place, 25 shots off lead.
Michelle at 14 years old: 13th place, 11 shots off lead.
2006-08-14 @ 12:02
Comment from: June [Visitor]
Todd, do you really think Michelle's win will quiet Baldwin down?

If so, you aren't that smart as you think you are.
2006-08-14 @ 12:02
Comment from: Johnny N. [Visitor]
Comment from Ford:
Michelle won the Publinx a far inferior amateur title.
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If it's such an inferior title, then perhaps you can explain why Michelle faced and beat in match play, the 2002 and 2003 us Amateur Champions, on her way to winning it.
2006-08-14 @ 12:08
Comment from: ToddCommish [Visitor]
Comment from: June [Visitor]
Todd, do you really think Michelle's win will quiet Baldwin down?

Hey, what can I say? I'm an optimist.
2006-08-14 @ 12:23
Comment from: hc2 [Visitor]
The US Women's amateur is the premier Amateur event in Women's golf. Winning it is many times more important than the Pub Linx. The Pub Linx (both Men's and Women's) do not get all the top amateur guns to participate. Many skip it and rather play AJGA events or college golf events or other international events. The Amateur events include all the top players not just in the US but abroad as well. That's why the runner up was from Germany, the other quarterfinalists from Colombia, etc. You win the Amateur, you are the best amateur in the world.
2006-08-14 @ 13:35
Comment from: Jan Jordan [Visitor]
I wonder how many people on these blogs are paid under MW's PR machine. Of course they would never admit it. "You must love her because we say you must love her!" maybe Sony can buy Michelle a new attitude...
2006-08-14 @ 13:35
Comment from: stop! [Visitor]
There is at least one thing Wie does better than Kim: Wie knows how to "win" a 2nd place. As far as winning itself, Kim is much better.
2006-08-14 @ 13:50
Comment from: Jim C [Visitor]
Remember all the wins Michelle had against the weak competition in Hawaii. Did anyone happen to notice where Kimberley Kim came from?
2006-08-14 @ 14:14
Comment from: Jim C [Visitor]
It is nice to know that Chris now believes that age is an important factor in judging the quality of a young golfer. In his previous posts about Michelle Wie one almost got the impression that it did not matter.

And let us not forget what Michelle Wie did as a 14 year old in the Curtis Cup, the premier international amateur team competition. She won her two singles matches 5/4 and 6/5.
2006-08-14 @ 14:32
Comment from: Ford [Visitor]
"If it's such an inferior title, then perhaps you can explain why Michelle faced and beat in match play, the 2002 and 2003 us Amateur Champions, on her way to winning it."

This is hardly a scientific way of determining which tournament is more prestigious. For example in 2004 Michelle failed in her bid to repeat as Publinx champion, losing to Ya-Ni Tseng in the finals. That same year Tseng the reigning Publinx champion lost in the first round of the Women's Amateur, which tournament looks tougher now.

The point is that Michelle should be congratulated for her win at the Publinx in 2003, but it is a clearly a second class tournament/title than the Women's Amateur, that's all.
2006-08-14 @ 15:37
Comment from: June [Visitor]
Ford, it is probably true that US Women's Amateur is mor important title than Public Links.

But at least field strength in terms of US players were equal on both tournaments. Almost every players played on both.

Which is more pretigious title? Easy question. US Women's Amateur.

Which has more strong field? Neck to neck. There isn't that much of difference in field strength. Just look at the names on the field this year and compare them with the field of 2006 Public Links.

Not that different.
2006-08-14 @ 16:18
Comment from: Ghet Rheel [Visitor]
Ford
I must have missed something.
How did you get from your opening quote:
"This is hardly a scientific way of determining which tournament is more prestigious."

To your closing quote:
"...Michelle should be congratulated for her win at the Publinx in 2003, but it is a clearly a second class tournament/title than the Women's Amateur..."

Particularly in view of Johnny N's quote:
"...Michelle faced and beat in match play, the 2002 and 2003 us Amateur Champions, on her way to winning it."

Ford, help me understand. Is it the "title" rather than the level of competition that you are referring to? Clearly, Michelle was capable of competing with the best the U.S. Amateur had to offer (as to level of competition) in beating the '02 and '03 champions.

2006-08-14 @ 16:27
Comment from: Ghet Rheel [Visitor]
Ford

I think June answered my question. She must have posted hers while I was writing mine.
2006-08-14 @ 16:31
Comment from: Shark [Visitor]
Great one Chris.
One of the first commentators questioned your mentioning michelle wie.
Hmm??
A teenager from Hawaii, that is female, that golfs.
Geez, no idea why they would have anything in common.
Especially since Kim Kim is a winner.
2006-08-14 @ 18:47
Comment from: TW [Visitor]
Shark,

I don't think Michelle should have been included because it was Kimberly's day and it should have just hers. If there was a comparison to be made it should have been in responce to something Michelle did or didn't do. That's just my feeling as to this posting by Chris. I felt he was using her win more to bash Michelle than to celebrate Kimberlys win. Your free to have your opinion as do I.
2006-08-14 @ 19:21
Comment from: Stephen [Visitor]
Kimberly Kim is to be congratulated for keeping a steady mind in spite of her nervousness to have putted great and won. She also credited Mary B Porter, caddie, and family for her win. At the age of 14 Kimberly Kim is the youngest winner in the 111 year history of USGA Women's Amateur Championship.

I think some of the posters need to be reasonable instead of seeing another young golfer's win as something against Wie.
2006-08-14 @ 19:42
Comment from: Ghet Rheel [Visitor]
I think what the Wie supporters are saying is that Baldwin's "article" tries to make Kim's win into "something against Wie".

I congratulate Kim and her family on the big win, and look forward to seeing her play for years to come.

Sadly, Baldwin has become a "one trick pony". His one trick is bashing a teenaged golfer named Wie. Without Wie, he'd be back to hyping golf condos in Cabo.
2006-08-14 @ 20:05
Comment from: Stephen [Visitor]
I neglect to include this story earlier.
http://starbulletin.com/2006/08/14/sports/reardon.html
2006-08-14 @ 20:18
Comment from: Randy Hebert [Visitor]
Comment from: Stephen [Visitor]
Kimberly Kim is to be congratulated for keeping a steady mind in spite of her nervousness to have putted great and won. She also credited Mary B Porter, caddie, and family for her win. At the age of 14 Kimberly Kim is the youngest winner in the 111 year history of USGA Women's Amateur Championship.

I think some of the posters need to be reasonable instead of seeing another young golfer's win as something against Wie.
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I couldn't agree more, especially with the last part.I'm sick of people writing blogs to mention Wie just to get a response, and I'm sick of all the people who jump at the chance every time they see her name to argue her worthiness or unworthiness. So tiresome. Yesterdays US Amateur was all about Kimberly Kim and didn't have nothing to do with Wie. I congragulate Kimberly on a match and tournament well played. The finish was exciting stuff with both pouring birdies on top of each other the last two holes to halve them. And great sportsmanship all the way from both players. regardless what anyone thinks the Mens and Womens US Amateurs ARE golfs most prestigious amateur events in the world. And now Kimberly has her name etched on the trophy with some of the greats of the game, Patty Berg, Babe, Carner, Inskter to just name a few. She should be very proud of what she has accomplished at 14. It was nice to see someone who could focus and do well over her shots, and still laugh and have fun and enjoy the excitement of it all as she went. To cheapen and demean what she has done by all involved by making it another Wie blog is a disgrace.







2006-08-14 @ 20:23
Comment from: Ghet Rheel [Visitor]
Comment from: Randy Hebert [Visitor]

"and I'm sick of all the people who jump at the chance every time they see her name to argue her worthiness or unworthiness."

Seems like you're doing what you don't wan't others to do.
2006-08-14 @ 20:41
Comment from: Randy Hebert [Visitor]
Comment from: Ghet Rheel [Visitor]
Comment from: Randy Hebert [Visitor]

"and I'm sick of all the people who jump at the chance every time they see her name to argue her worthiness or unworthiness."

Seems like you're doing what you don't wan't others to do.
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No Ghet not really, just tired of it all.I actually think Michelle is a golfer of much ability whose time will come.









2006-08-14 @ 20:43
Comment from: Randy Hebert [Visitor]
Comment from: Randy Hebert [Visitor]
Comment from: Ghet Rheel [Visitor]
Comment from: Randy Hebert [Visitor]

"and I'm sick of all the people who jump at the chance every time they see her name to argue her worthiness or unworthiness."

Seems like you're doing what you don't wan't others to do.
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No Ghet not really, just tired of it all.I actually think Michelle is a golfer of much ability whose time will come.
P.S. My main complaint is not one person, Dot included, could write a blog about the US Amatuer and what was a pretty remarkable achievement and not throw Wie into the mix.
2006-08-14 @ 20:53
Comment from: Ghet Rheel [Visitor]
RH
Good point. Hard to argue about that.
2006-08-14 @ 21:24
Comment from: Stop! [Visitor]
However, if people stop throwing Wie's names whenever they can, why should Nike and Sony still pay her so much money?
2006-08-14 @ 21:59
Comment from: Florida Mike [Visitor]
Congratulations to this young lady Kim Kim. As for Ms Kim and Ms Wie, does anyone remember the article about Kim Kim and Michelle playing a practice round before the US Women's Open and how much fun the had playing together. Seems to me, we should leave them alone and just let these young ladies play!
2006-08-14 @ 22:09
Comment from: TW [Visitor]
Stop!

Does the same apply to tiger? I don't see a lot of blogs on him and he is paid a lot more than Michelle.
2006-08-14 @ 22:15
Comment from: Joe Cool [Visitor]
KIM KIM'S BUNKER SHOT AND BIRDIE PUTT ON 17 WERE THE HIGHLIGHTS OF THE TOURNAMENT. THE WAY SHE FINISHED WAS VERY "TIGERESS" LIKE.
2006-08-14 @ 22:24
Comment from: Stop! [Visitor]
TW,

if Tiger failed to win quickly after he turned pro, he would suffer even worse than Wie.
2006-08-14 @ 22:54
Comment from: Ghet Rheel [Visitor]

When Wie starts winning (which will probably be at a younger age than Tiger first won) "Stop" will change his screen name and start harrassing MW about some other nitpicking nonsense.

Florida Mike - If you run accross a link to the article on Wie and Kim playing a practice round, please post it - thanks.

2006-08-14 @ 23:14
Comment from: Carol [Visitor]
Congratulations to Kimberly Kim for winning the US Women's Amateur 2006 Championship. I was very impressed by her mindset, playing, and putting during the competition given her age.
2006-08-14 @ 23:41
Comment from: Ghet Rheel [Visitor]
Link to 8-11 interview with Kimberly Kim:

www.uswamateur.org/news/kim_interview.html

Very revealing. Points out the enormous stress on family, finances, school, etc. that face a talented young golfer who grew up in Hawaii.

Helps me understand why the Wie family made the decision to go pro.
2006-08-14 @ 23:48
Comment from: Ghet Rheel [Visitor]
Some excerpts from the Kim interview:

Q. So did the whole family move over here?

KIMBERLY KIM: No, just ... my dad still like maintains the farm in Hawaii.

Q. The farm?

KIMBERLY KIM: Yeah.

Q. What does he grow?

KIMBERLY KIM: He grows orchids.

Q. So your sister or mom came with you?

KIMBERLY KIM: My mom did for two months in California then my sister came as well because she wanted to practice and stuff before college started.

Q. And when was that? When did you move to California?

KIMBERLY KIM: I moved to California, I kind of forget already. I think it was pretty much like February, at the end, all the way at the end of February. And we lived there for like two months, I think. Then we moved again. Then I lived in Arizona for like a month and then all the tournaments started. So I haven't been home for a while.

Q. And that was all for golf?

KIMBERLY KIM: Yeah.

Q. The moving to California and the moving to Arizona was for golf?

KIMBERLY KIM: Yeah. But in California I think I got worse. It was always freezing cold, like the golf courses were so expensive. They weren't like supporting juniors that much. And Arizona, they're very, they're like supporting juniors. They're like you can play just $5 and go play.
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Q. Will you stay in Arizona in the fall then or will you go back to Hawaii?

KIMBERLY KIM: I don't know when I'm going to go back to Hawaii. We're actually trying to buy a house. Right now we're renting, but we, my mom's still looking for a house.

Q. In Arizona?

KIMBERLY KIM: Yeah.

Q. Are you going to start high school there in Arizona this fall?

KIMBERLY KIM: I went to high school for two weeks in Arizona. At the end. But then, I don't know, I'm not sure about school yet. I didn't enroll yet.

Q. You like school?

KIMBERLY KIM: Yeah, I do. But it's just that in Arizona they have this law that if you miss ten days of school then you're like automatically not in their school anymore. So they said just not to enroll until I get back from tournaments.

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Q. Who is your instructor now?

KIMBERLY KIM: Well, I don't really have one right now. Like my coach, King Benso. He went to Washington, and I think he's back in Arizona already. But I haven't seen him for a while. I think we might change coaches again. It's been months since I saw him.


2006-08-15 @ 00:03
Comment from: BIg J [Visitor]
Kimberly Kim is cool. What a gutsy win, and what a sweet kid, she was so happy to hoist that trophy. Unlike Michelle Wie, this a real sports story - someone who plays for the love of the game and for winning, not to be famous and rich. I hope Lil Kim makes it to the top someday.
2006-08-15 @ 01:39
Comment from: Ghet Rheel [Visitor]
big j

Did you miss the part about Kim wanting to go to college but not attending school for more than a couple weeks since February? Or that her father has to stay in Hawaii while she and her sister were struggling to find living arrangements stateside? Or that school is still "up in the air" for this Fall?

Kim is an outstanding young woman. I am not critcizing her or her family. I am saying life for an elite young golfer in Hawaii is difficult to say the least, and in Kim's case is interupting her education and keeping her family apart.

If an opportunity presents itself that would give some financial and familial stability to the Kim's, they may well consider availing themselves of it despite the hideous treatment the Wie's have received from certain base elements of the press and the public.

2006-08-15 @ 02:03
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Ghet Rheel, Since you are a relative newbie on this site, let it be known that June is not a "she." June is a he of Asian extraction. I thought you might have figured that out since you know so much about Asian people and their habits. Also, you have commited the ultimate insult to Hawaii and its people. You referred to Miss kim as looking for accommodations "stateside", as though Hawaii is not part of the USA. That is quite a faux pas for someone who professes to be so PC.
2006-08-15 @ 07:10
Comment from: Florida Mike [Visitor]
Here are a couple links about Kim Kim and Michelle Wie practicing together before US Open.

http://starbulletin.com/2006/06/29/sports/story01.html

http://www.uswomensopen.com/2006/news/notebook_wed.html

Not much more than a mention, what I saw was on the Golf Channel, but they had played together b4 in Hawaii.
2006-08-15 @ 08:37
Comment from: Johnny N. [Visitor]
It is very unfair on Kimberly Kim to be comparing her to an established excellent golfer like Michelle Wie.

When Wie was Kim's age, she already had a 4th place major under her belt.

It is unrealistice to expect Kim to match the terrific accomplishments of Michelle Wie. She is already too late to break many of the records.

Morgan Pressel was compared to Michelle and how has she done?
Paula Creamer has been compared to Michelle and her performance has gone downward since.

Michelle is a truly magnificant player and it is unfair on the other players to pretend that they are failures, just because they don't match up to Michelle Wie's class.
2006-08-15 @ 10:25
Comment from: Ford [Visitor]
Paula Creamer has 4 worldwide professional wins. Michelle has certainly outperformed her this year, but alas has no wins. Do you think Michelle would trade some or all of those top 5's for one of Paula's actual victories? I would hope.
2006-08-15 @ 11:15
Comment from: Judge Smails [Visitor]
You folks who don't understand that the national amateurs are significantly tougher to win than the publinx tournaments know nothing about golf.

Do you know why it's called the "publinx"? It's because it's open only to amateurs who don't have membership privileges at a club that isn't open to the public. And, since many of the best amateurs still develop their games at private clubs, this eliminates a not so insignificant segment of the competition. Moreover, as has already been pointed out, the Women's Amateur is infinitely more prestigious. Thus, it attracts the creme de la creme.

And, wow, that Kimberly Kim; she's only fourteen. Can you imagine that?
2006-08-15 @ 11:36
Comment from: Ghet Rheel [Visitor]
Wow - Astroturf Alex is at it again. June is one of the brightest writers on this site and does not need the intervention of a anti-Asian bigot like Alex.

"Stateside" is a term frequently used by Hawaiians to refer to the "contiguous states". Nice try, no cigar.

I have compiled a lengthy list of Alex's statements made over a period of time (dated and time stamped) that decent people find to be bigoted - racially and/or as to gender.

If Alex would like further examples of what constitute bigotry, I'd be happy to post another list of his comments.

Perhaps Alex should find another screen name and try it again - if he hasn't done that already.
2006-08-15 @ 11:49
Comment from: BIg J [Visitor]
Ghet Rheel, I'm just a golf fan who has had an assfull of the Michelle Wie story. Kimberly Kim is a real sports story, but Michelle's mainly a marketing story.
2006-08-15 @ 13:11
Comment from: Monkey Fish [Visitor]
Compared to Kim Kim, Michelle Wie sucks.
2006-08-15 @ 14:14
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Ghet Rheel, Hawaiians referrimg to mainland USA as stateside? Yeah, right. You were better off with the fairytale about the 50+ year old Korean waitress and the teenage Chinese busboy. Better yet try to post something about golf. You don't know much about that either, but maybe you can fake it.
2006-08-15 @ 14:19
Comment from: Johnny N. [Visitor]
Comment from: Ford [Visitor]
Paula Creamer has 4 worldwide professional wins. Michelle has certainly outperformed her this year, but alas has no wins. Do you think Michelle would trade some or all of those top 5's for one of Paula's actual victories? I would hope.
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She would not trade her career with Paual. Paula has produced some good golf but has not been consistant. Michelle is intelligent enough to know that if she continues to improve at her current rate, she will be by far the best female golfer by her 18th birthday and should be able to win many titles with ease.

That sort of consistancy and quality of play, will bring alot of long-term success.
2006-08-15 @ 16:17
Comment from: Ghet Rheel [Visitor]
Does Alex ever research anything before he spouts off? Daniel Akaka uses the term "stateside" in a press release on his own website describing "The Conservation and Reinvestment Act".

There was an attempt in the 1950's an 60's to replace the word "stateside" with "mainland". Some people didn't like the word "mainland" either because of the similarity to "mainland (communist) China". Now both words are in common usage.

If the word "stateside" is good enough for Hawaii's Senator Akaka, it is good enough for me.
2006-08-15 @ 16:36
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Ghet Rheel, I know a BS'er when I see one or read ones writing. You, dear Ghet , are in that category. I expect you will expose your tendency for prevarication soon when you start describing how you raised your own offspring. Up until now, you never mentioned having any kids, but you're getting ready for that chapter in your fantasy. Ghet, what is it you do for a living, if anything? Or is that clasified as is your avocation as an Astroturf investigator? I mistakenly used the "stateside" reference once in Hawaii and was corrected immediately. Ghet, you just don't know what the hell you're talking about.
2006-08-15 @ 21:40
Comment from: Merrin [Visitor]
"The best part is that it's a real sports story, something spontaneous and captivating. About the exact opposite of a hype machine built up in marketing offices, lawyer contracts and Nike ad campaigns."

This part I TOTALLY agree with. It's not that I dont like Michelle specifically, it's that there are so many REAL stories out there & I'd prefer we be bombarded with Michelle Wie when she arrives. However that train has already left the station, so there's no way to halt it.

I could care less about analyzing Wie's answers compared to Kim's. All I can say is "go Kim-Kim, Go Kim-Kim. It's your birthday".
2006-08-15 @ 22:27
Comment from: Ghet Rheel [Visitor]
Florida Mike
Read the Fortune Magazine article. Well written, but seemed to have a preconcieved point of view. Overall it shaowed reasonable balance.

FM, did you have a chance to read the transcripts of Kim's interviews a the U.S Amateur. She came accross as endearing. However, the biggest impact seemed to me to be the chaos the Kim family is experiencing.

Kim has not been in school since Fer. She is not enrolled for the fall. The family is split apart, etc. The Wie's have accepted corporate money in exchange for some financial and familial stability. After reading about the severe stresses the Kim family is now experiencing, the Wie's choice, while not perfect, makes sense on many levels. I'd be interested in hearing the views of others on the difficulties of the families of elite atheletes.

Oh, and Alex, get a life that doesn't involve taking potshots at teenaged girls.
2006-08-15 @ 22:44
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Ghet Rheel, I'm very sorry. I didn't realize you were a teenage girl, although you certainly act like one.
2006-08-16 @ 07:33
Comment from: Florida Mike [Visitor]
Ghet Real, I read the article, I was hoping others would read it and come to their own conclusions. I enjoy watching Ms Wie play, she has inspired my daughter to play golf, but some of her upbringing has been intense. I did like the fact that BJ and Bo have locked up Michelle's money, so that they (Bj and Bo) cannot blow it. All in all an informative article and one worth reading
2006-08-16 @ 09:36
Comment from: Ford [Visitor]
Johnny---I'm hoping what you meant to say was that Michelle wouldn't trade her talent or overall golf game with Paula--At this early stage of both their careers she would be a fool not to trade her top 5's for some wins. Consistency is great, but winning is what matters. I would agree that based on her current level of play and her rate of progression she should be a dominating force for years to come, but here's the thing...It's hardly a given that she will continue to progress at her current rate(think little league baseball--you have 12 year olds throwing 80 mph, would you assume that they would be throwing 120 by the time they were 18, of course not) there are just too many variables and even if she does other women golfers will improve as well. Michelle does not live or play in a vacuum, as her game matures so do the games of others. You have guaranteed that just over 1 year from now Michelle Wie will go from somebody with 0 wins to the "...by far the best female golfer" I think this is a stretch. Do I think she will continue to be a factor and threat to win nearly every tournament she enters, yes, but contending consistently and dominating are two very different things. I agree that the talent is there to one day dominate, but somethings missing in her pysche.
2006-08-16 @ 10:18
Comment from: Ronnie [Visitor]
Kimberly Kim isn't half the player Paula Creamer is.
2006-08-16 @ 10:27
Comment from: Ronnie [Visitor]
Michelle Wie won a usga title.
Kimberly Kim won a usga title.

Paula Creamer has 4 victories. Paula Creamer knows how to win.

Anti-Wie people are spouting off about Kim knowing how to win, but Kim herself said she hadn't won in 2 years before that title, and imagine the kind of crap she is playing against and she hasn't won in that long.

Other players may win the odd title, but Paula Creamer is a proven winner.
2006-08-16 @ 10:32
Comment from: Johnny N. [Visitor]
Ford,
If you mean trade a top 5 for a win. Of course she would.
But if you mean trade multiple top 5s for a win, I would hope she would not.

Brittany Lincicome has won, but she has done little else. Say Michelle were to win a title over the next season and have other top 40 placings but little else, I would consider that a big disappointment and step backward.

Sure titles are what it is all about for established golfers like Tiger, but for Michelle it should be about learning and growing as a player. If she does that plenty of wins will come.

On her being guaranteed to improve at the current rate, I agree that nothing is guaranteed.

However, as regards others improving I sincerely doubt that Lorena or Annika have near the capacity for improvement that Michelle has.

As regards you talking about her phyche, it's too early for that talk. While other players matured as amateurs, Michelle matured as a professional.
I think her closing ability has improved dramatically. Contrast her 2005 US Open 82 when tied for the lead, with her closing rounds in the 2006 season so far. At the Evian Masters she had a 68 in the 4th round, equalling Karrie Webb's round to be just 1 shot behind.

By the way alot depends on the lpga. I think they will give her more exemptions for the 2007 season, and if they do, I think that added experience and extra tournaments will help her win her first title.
2006-08-16 @ 10:51
Comment from: trojanfanatic [Visitor]
If you would check some facts, Michelle Wie won a usga amateur at the age of THIRTEEN.

Doesn't anyone remember what Michelle Wie was like in her first interviews? The ONLY reason she speaks the way she does in front of the cameras now is because the media is in her face as often as it is.

Like it or not, the media, the tournament sponsors, the public wants her presence. Michelle Wie = Marketer's Dream.

If she doesn't deserve to be there, then why does she keep getting exemptions?!?!? How is any of this her fault, at the age of 16???

Besides, do you even realize that while are you are trying to imply that she's not all the hype, you are STILL talking about Michelle Wie?!?
2006-08-16 @ 16:50
Comment from: Pat [Visitor]
Two names: Laura baugh and Vicky Geotz
2006-08-16 @ 19:47
Comment from: Ghet Rheel [Visitor]
Johnny N

I know there is no way to prove it, but I think Johnston was a one to two stroke "boat anchor", per round, for Wie. His loud interuptions during her pre-shot routines, the lack of communication on tee boxes (17 at Evian, for instance), their isolation from one another at the Womens British Open, etc.

I hope they take their time in selecting the next looper. Sometimes you have to go through three, five, seven, or more employees to find the one that really gels for you. It is always worth the wait. Putting prospective caddies on a "trial basis" should prevent some ego bruising. However, NOTHING the Wie's do will please certain elements of the press - that element should be ignored in the process of finding the right caddy. Their response will always be, "Hated It".
2006-08-16 @ 23:14
Comment from: J [Visitor]
I do agree with Ghet Rheel.
Johnston was not for Wie.

2006-08-17 @ 04:58
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
A memo has come down from Astroturf Central. Director Krickstein believes that the Wie Warriors are on the downhill drag. He bases his belief on the bizarre and convoluted postings by the Wie-wee's on internet message boards like this one. His directive says that Phase II of Astroturf will be in place when Bubbles goes to Switzerland to try to make the cut (again) in what has previously been a men-only event. The purpose of Phase II will be the implosion of Wie-zeals worldwide. Ghet Rheel, this means you!
2006-08-17 @ 08:01
Comment from: Ghet Rheel [Visitor]
Bizarre? Convoluted? Krickstein? Switzerland? Phase II Implosion? - Alex, Get a grip, son.
2006-08-17 @ 11:03
Comment from: Johnny N. [Visitor]
Comment from Ghet Rheel:
I know there is no way to prove it, but I think Johnston was a one to two stroke "boat anchor", per round, for Wie. His loud interuptions during her pre-shot routines, the lack of communication on tee boxes (17 at Evian, for instance), their isolation from one another at the Womens British Open, etc.
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Also, the John Deere incident was quite strange in my opinion. The girl was obviously very unwell and yet it was as if the caddie was just ignoring her.
If Tiger was doubled over in pain, would Stevie stand there doing nothing and just ignore him, or would he give him a pat on the back and ask if he was okay.
2006-08-17 @ 12:13
Comment from: derek [Visitor]
pelesfire. awesome.


baldwin. twit.
2006-08-17 @ 15:11
Comment from: Kelle [Visitor]
Wow, what an incredible girl. Way to go Kim! You're so hard on Michelle lol! Still, Michelle could definitely take some tips from this girl on showing a little humanity.
2006-08-18 @ 11:38
Comment from: Jenney M. [Visitor]
I think Kim definitely has a future in golf. However, there's really no need to bash Wie or even compare them or their amateur titles.

If the Public Links is so inferior to the US Women's Amateur, one would think Kim would have easily won the Public Links as well. She was runner up this year. Wie was runner up at the Public Links the year before she won it. Maybe there isn't the same amount of prestige, but it's a similiar field. BTW, the Public Links also has international golfers as well.

(The German that Kim beat sounds like a Pressel, crying after she lost. Didn't they get the memo about no crying in golf?)

Anyway, Kim's parents have decided to take a different route than Wie's parents by moving Kim closer to the golf in Arizona, which at that point I'd start comparing Kim to Grace Park. Park is also a winner of the US Woman's Amateur and also moved from Hawaii to Arizona as a teenager to play golf(though Park had moved from Korea to Hawaii previously).

I guess though it's more sensational to compare Kim with Wie, however I don't think Kim considers herself at the same level. Kim in one of her post victory interviews said, "Maybe I can be like Michelle." I don't think there's a need to pit Wie against Kim, it's obvious that Kim admires Wie and they actually like each other.
2006-08-18 @ 13:56
Comment from: Ghet Rheel [Visitor]
Looks like Kim is winning fans by playing great golf and welcoming Michelle's friendship (with an occasional good-natured jibe tossed in). Maybe the "young guns" could learn that the Wie-Bashing just strengthens the phenomenal support MW already enjoys. A friendly rivalry - what a concept.
2006-08-18 @ 17:55
Comment from: andy [Visitor]
congrats to Kim Kim. a great win for her and for Hawaii junior golf.
lets see. Kimberly has won one national amateur title. Michelle has won one national amateur title. yet Kim Kim knows more about winning than Michelle? chris, could you please explain this to us? you really are a moron.
ghet rheel, don't worry about alex. he's the one that said MW probably suffered some psycholgical damage after that incident in the John Deere Classic. i guess if it wasn't for that, she would have won the U.S. Women's Open the following week instead of coming in only second. he really has no credibility left. plus he's gay. lol

2006-08-19 @ 17:07
Comment from: CK1 [Visitor]
I think you all need to get a dose of reality here. Everyone who wrote in, and Baldwin. Seriously, the issue he makes, at the very core of this, is about learning how to win and understanding that humanity is the core of how to do that. Wie, as he writes in his own form, has not succeeded at that point. While Baldwin's views are over zealous toward his hatred of Wie (at least that's how I read it too), we cannot avoid the fact that he is right - she doesn't really know how to win.

Kimberly took the U.S Amateur. Let's praise her for that because watching her play through the rounds, you could see nothing but heart, soul, tenacity and courage. I think any "golfer" in this blog can attest that she's got more on the ball regarding those aspects than Wie any way you slice it.

Let's take a moment on that front if we can. Kimberly had solid ball striking and a strong relationship with her caddy that enabled her to stay focused, have fun, stay competitive - and ultimately win. Wie, from what I have seen, has the ball striking but the mental element and relationship seems strained. Now, maybe in the world of professional golf these qualities are things that cannot be as easily attained - let's face it, unless one has a 4 stroke lead on Sunday on the 18th and just pegged an 8-iron to 2 feet, we don't see a hell of a lot of smiling and chatter going on through the fairways out there. It's business, not golf for these professionals - just like any sport really. Do you all spend a great deal of time goofing off at your job or is the fact that it's a place where your money comes from remind you of how your childhood carefree days would be nice to have again. Even if Kim didn't win, I don't think she would have lost that. She had nothing to loose (Christ, she's 14 stop making her or Wie out to be 30), Wie has everything to loose, but forgot to learn how to focus on not trying to make it happen so hard. Then again Kim didn't just win the Podunk Jr. Open in Wherever USA. It was the U.S. Amateur which has all the bells and whistles of a major event. Wie, more than likely has to commit to financial and sponsorship obligations that increase the pressure ten-fold. It's not a one-to-one comparison until Kim has experienced that. Time will tell if Kim stays the way she was on the fairways or if she becomes a machine like Annika or others out there. Its a business, let's all try to remember that.

Regardless of the differences, I think you should all at least acknowledge, issues he may have with Wie or not, that Baldwin has a point in that Michelle has just not learned how to win. She's out to prove more than just that she can win. I think there is the core of the problem. Learn to win first. Then do the rest. I think it was on The Golf Channel where I heard the best advice for Wie - Learn to beat Annika first, then try the PGA. Kim will be coming to the LPGA with excitement and determination (by the way, I enjoyed the one reply about Pressel not winning. I think she's another one who has more emotional strain than postive focus, but she has some pretty good reasons too), and hopefully will be an endorser that doesn't get too crazy with the bottom line and forgets about golf. That's why she'll win. Hey Kimberly, keep writing Trust on your arm. That works a hell of a lot better than some silly copper bracelet!

And, to the Wie family, leave your daughter alone - unless you want to be just like the Culkins were to hollywood in the past. Whomever it was that wrote in this blog that your daugther is going to burn out, I agree. I am sure you know how to work and make money too. Try it. Let her play and stay off the course. Michelle, you pick your own caddy and make it someone fun for a change. Golf needs that.

Oh, one last note to all in here: remember, we're just hacks at this game by comparison. Even with a 9 handicap, I am 1,000,000% sure than either of these young ladies would humble me religiously out there. I'm in awe of them both.
2006-08-25 @ 10:37
Comment from: Dave Nesselroad [Visitor]
How pitiful you are. Spending so much effort tearing down a teenager; Wie. Perhaps the advice she gets is not perfect. What did YOU do at her age?
2006-08-26 @ 13:44
Comment from: Teddy Monstrous [Visitor] Email
yo chris baldhead. ur article simply blows.
y would u bash teenage girl whoz still learning
the game. u saying she don know how to win,
but she's already a winner. all the medias
focusing on her every moves since she's so
great. hav u ever thought about the pressure
that wie would get from media? leave her alone
for fux sake. u sound so fuxing childish so
stfu. hope u get fired asap and get a new job.
2007-02-14 @ 08:30

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