Crazy crackpot 9-11 conspiracy theories even invade golf
I was in Lake Placid last month, playing a bunch of the area’s historic golf courses and one round, I ended up getting paired with a Canadian. Now usually I love the Canadians. So much so that I consider myself an honorary citizen (though I’m still waiting for my free health care and maple syrup).
My Canadian brothers are unfailing polite, they don’t raise an eyebrow when I crank my first tee shot off a tree and send it screaming backwards 100 yards behind the tee box and they usually tell great stories.
But this particular guy went on a rant about how 9-11 was an event orchestrated by the Bush administration. He proceeded to impassionately argue that secret government bombs set up along the support beams of the Twin Towers actually brought them down. That the airplanes slamming into them had nothing to do with it and furthermore he didn’t know if any passenger jets really crashed on 9-11 at all.
Now, I knew people like this existed out there. Heck, TravelGolf.com has its own Ghet Rheel reader (code for get in your rocking spaceship) typing away in fantasyland. And who knows what William K. Wolfrum want-to-bes are blogging about in their free time (which would be their any time). Even Time magazine devoted a few pages to these 9-11 crackpot theories in a recent issue.
I just never expected to come across one of these loonies (inside Canadian joke) on a golf course. People who golf are usually pretty grounded. At least enough so that they’re not buying into dinosaurs never existed or the moon landing was done in a studio theories.
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I mean, I wanted to get rid of the two-line pass in hockey for a decade but I never shoved it down any of their throats.
People don't come up with these theories for no reason. Unexplainable actions by the government along with a penchant for secrecy fuel these. WE SHOULD BE ASKING QUESTIONS. It is the basis for democracy.
I would recommend 9/11 Press for Truth. It's not kooky. It asks earnest questions by the victims family members.
You are a sociopath and need psychological help immediately.
The most unbelievable conspiracy theory is that a handful of box cutter weilding cave dwellers could usurp the most powerful air defense in the world.
Your willful ignorance is shameful.
Common sense holds this conspiracy theory suspect.
It would seem you right wingers are the delusional folks. Not everyone wants to be viewed as willfully ignorant. If that is how you want to be seen, have at it.
It's fascinating that you keep bringing up the disinfo red herrings but refuse to deal with the real question that trumps all the others.
Those are the facts.
MR. MINETA: No, I was not. I was made aware of it during the time that the airplane coming into the Pentagon. There was a young man who had come in and said to the vice president, "The plane is 50 miles out. The plane is 30 miles out." And when it got down to, "The plane is 10 miles out," the young man also said to the vice president, "Do the orders still stand?" And the vice president turned and whipped his neck around and said, "Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?" Well, at the time I didn't know what all that meant.
The document I was referring to is this one:
Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Instruction CJCSI 3610.01A (dated 1
June 2001) was issued for the purpose of providing "guidance to the Deputy Director for Operations (DDO), National Military Command Center (NMCC), and operational commanders in the event of an aircraft piracy (hijacking) or request for destruction of derelict airborne objects." This new instruction superseded CJCSI 3610.01 of 31 July 1997.
This CJCSI states that "In the event of a hijacking, the NMCC will be
notified by the most expeditious means by the FAA. The NMCC will, with the exception of immediate responses as authorized by reference d, forward
requests for DOD assistance to the Secretary of Defense for approval."
Reference D refers to Department of Defense Directive 3025.15 (Feb. 18,
1997) which allows for commanders in the field to provide assistance to
save lives in an emergency situation -- BUT any requests involving
"potentially lethal support" (including "combat and tactical vehicles,
vessels or aircraft; or ammunition") must still be approved by the
Secretary of Defense. So again, the ability to respond to a hijacking in
any meaningful fashion, is stripped from the commanders in the field."
It was Cheney who was commanding the war room that day, but Rumsfeld who held the legal responsibility to give the order. Neither gave that order.
The sane majority of America has awakened to the reality of what really happened five years ago and wants answers and accountability now.
You would be surprised how few conspirators it took to pull this off but they will be brought to justice.
man goes swing
man goes put
ball goes in
it's simple, so your brain can fathom it, it's completely linear and requires no more thinking that simple math and a rudimentary understanding of inertia.
Stick to golf, Chris.
BTW-WHAT television station was Bush watching when he stated on Dec. 4, 2001 that he SAW the first plane hit the tower and thought it was bad pilot error? The ONLY television he might have seen it on was closed circut that had been set up in advance because NO station viewed that scene. THE NEXT DAY a man making a documentary released HIS footage of the first plane hitting.
The biggest problem with corruption...the LIES are hard to keep track of and you trip them up sooner than later.
911 WAS AN INSIDE JOB. The ONLY 'CONSPIRACY THEORY' is the story released by the Government.
Mr Baldwin...Please do some research before whining about things you know NOTHING about. Do it FOR THE FAMILIES of the VICTIMS SEEKING THE TRUTH TO THIS DAY!!
As per 9/11: Before you shout out either way, do your research. YOUR research, lazy asses. Come to your conclusion. There is an absolute wealth of reasons for people to speculate that criminal elements of our gov't carried those events out to get the war they despirately wanted, per the Project For a New American Century papers and much much more.
To answer that question, I would suggest reading "Crossing The Rubicon" by Michael C. Ruppert.
Scroll all the way down and you'll find it for $14 (I paid $23 at Barnes & Noble). I've found this to be the least sensationalist, most well researched, and least crackpot of all the books that I have seen regarding the subject.
What is very telling about all of this is that those who have questions are reading and doing research from multiple sources. Those who agree with the administration's story (as well as the 9/11 Commission [or Omission, depending on your view] Report), really only watch TV and read the newspaper, The National Review, or Popular Mechanics (gross negligence).
"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."
“We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. We must remember always that accusation is not proof and that conviction depends upon evidence and due process of law. We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven by fear into an age of unreason, if we dig deep in our history and our doctrine. And remember that we are not descended from fearful men; not from men who feared to write, to speak, to associate and to defend causes that, for the moment were unpopular. And so, Good Night and Good Luck.”
- Edward R. Murrow
Bet you still believe in Santa Claus too....
"Our government would never do that" who trained the Terrorists to fight the Soviets........
Oh well, bet you are first in line to get chipped too, for your own good.
silverstein admits that tower 7 (office building) third building in the wtc complex..was brought down by demo....after denying it over and over again...finally admits..hmmmmm...of course they couldnt have been planted during the two hours the towers were burning before they fell...sooo they must have been planted before the planes ever hit...that just doesnt add up...no conspiracy FACTS!!!
In other words, they are close minded rich yuppies who could give a shit less about others and gobble up the bullshit the media feeds them.
Traumatized by the September 11th attacks, one man struggles to dismantle official history, at the expense of his sanity and even his life. Grappling with multiple realities - and multiple personalities - he must retreat into his mind in pursuit of the truth. In a fictional film about non-fictional events, there is a place where belief and faith will blind you, where nothing is sacred, and to get there all you have to do is ask:
"Who Killed John O'Neill?"
seriously, though...they are everywhere. the shock of 9/11 is finally wearing off and people are putting two and two together and getting three. you really need to take 90 minutes or so and watch a just released film available on video.google for free) called 9/11: Press for Freedom from some of the 9/11 families. i think you'll find that there needn't be a lot of what you might term "loonie" theories. there's plenty of factual, logical, solid evidence without them. at the very least, nothing was done to stop the attacks, but there's probably a lot more to it. and people plan to uncover the truth.
(oh and i just had to laugh...people who golf are usually pretty grounded? is that why lightning strikes them a lot? and oh, yeah, you have a typo in your third paragraph.)
have a good evening...
This is just one point. When the whole picture is gathered though, from Bush's connections with the Bin Laden family to the hoodwinking of society into believing Iraq was involved (which we know isn't true cos Bush admits it himself) - it becomes glaringly clear that far too many "coincidences" are involved here. The most logical explanation is likely to be the true one.
Who stood to gain from this 'terrorist' attack? The Bush administration and it's various partners in war profiteering industries? Or some extremists that were to suffer the backlash of massive genocide of their country's people?
This administration is TOXIC (described by Al Gore) and will continue it's destruction of America's constitution, economy and the safety of it's citizens unless steps are taken to shoot them down.
ASK QUESTIONS AND RESEARCH FOR YOURSELF TO MAKE YOUR OWN MIND UP USING COMMON SENSE
As for the whole 9/11 conspiracy thing, I remain neutral on the subject until someone can prove that the government was in fact responsible for the WTC buildings collapsing resulting in the deaths of thousands of people. The government did have forewarning of the attacks with the pdb memo from August 2001. I believe the last few paragraphs of that pdb point out the seriousness at the time of a potential terrorist attack.
Below I have provided an excerpt from the Guardian (education news) that you obviously missed. Educate yourself before you speak of matters of which you are obviously not very well familiarized with.
"Who Really Blew Up the Twin Towers"
---It is impossible, says Jones, for the towers to have collapsed from the collision of two aeroplanes, as jet fuel doesn't burn at temperatures hot enough to melt steel beams. The horizontal puffs of smoke - squibs - emitted during the collapse of the towers are indicative of controlled implosions on lower floors. The scholars have collected eyewitness accounts of flashes and loud explosions immediately before the fall.
The twin towers must, they say, have been brought down by explosives - hence the container of dust on Jones's desk, sent to him unsolicited by a woman living in lower Manhattan. He is using X-ray fluorescents to test it for explosive materials.
What's more, the nearby World Trade Centre 7 also collapsed later that afternoon. The building had not been hit by a plane, only damaged by fire. WTC 7 housed a clandestine CIA station, which the scholars believe was the command centre for the planning of 9/11.
Another excerpt for you if the first one was too complicated for you to understand......
---Part of the problem is that people (including engineers) often confuse temperature and heat. While they are related, they are not the same. Thermodynamically, the heat contained in a material is related to the temperature through the heat capacity and the density (or mass). Temperature is defined as an intensive property, meaning that it does not vary with the quantity of material, while the heat is an extensive property, which does vary with the amount of material. One way to distinguish the two is to note that if a second log is added to the fireplace, the temperature does not double; it stays roughly the same, but the size of the fire or the length of time the fire burns, or a combination of the two, doubles. Thus, the fact that there were 90,000 L of jet fuel on a few floors of the WTC does not mean that this was an unusually hot fire. The temperature of the fire at the WTC was not unusual, and it was most definitely not capable of melting steel.
In combustion science, there are three basic types of flames, namely, a jet burner, a pre-mixed flame, and a diffuse flame. A jet burner generally involves mixing the fuel and the oxidant in nearly stoichiometric proportions and igniting the mixture in a constant-volume chamber. Since the combustion products cannot expand in the constant-volume chamber, they exit the chamber as a very high velocity, fully combusted, jet. This is what occurs in a jet engine, and this is the flame type that generates the most intense heat.
In a pre-mixed flame, the same nearly stoichiometric mixture is ignited as it exits a nozzle, under constant pressure conditions. It does not attain the flame velocities of a jet burner. An oxyacetylene torch or a Bunsen burner is a pre-mixed flame.
In a diffuse flame, the fuel and the oxidant are not mixed before ignition, but flow together in an uncontrolled manner and combust when the fuel/oxidant ratios reach values within the flammable range. A fireplace flame is a diffuse flame burning in air, as was the WTC fire.
Diffuse flames generate the lowest heat intensities of the three flame types.
If the fuel and the oxidant start at ambient temperature, a maximum flame temperature can be defined. For carbon burning in pure oxygen, the maximum is 3,200°C; for hydrogen it is 2,750°C. Thus, for virtually any hydrocarbons, the maximum flame temperature, starting at ambient temperature and using pure oxygen, is approximately 3,000°C.
This maximum flame temperature is reduced by two-thirds if air is used rather than pure oxygen. The reason is that every molecule of oxygen releases the heat of formation of a molecule of carbon monoxide and a molecule of water. If pure oxygen is used, this heat only needs to heat two molecules (carbon monoxide and water), while with air, these two molecules must be heated plus four molecules of nitrogen. Thus, burning hydrocarbons in air produces only one-third the temperature increase as burning in pure oxygen because three times as many molecules must be heated when air is used. The maximum flame temperature increase for burning hydrocarbons (jet fuel) in air is, thus, about 1,000°C—hardly sufficient to melt steel at 1,500°C.
So, this massive heat (nonexistant) was able to melt steel but leave the paperwork belonging to the hijackers intact?
Explain this one to me, please, since you, apparently, are so well informed.
Colonel Ronald D. Ray (U.S. Marine Corps)
Bill Christison (CIA)
Ray McGovern (CIA)
Dr. Robert M. Bowman, Lt. Col. (United States Air Force)
Morgan O. Reynolds (US Government)
Paul Craig Roberts (US Government)
Andreas Von Buelow (German Government)
General Leonid Ivashov (Russian Army)
David Shayler (British Security Service - MI5)
My suggestion is simple, talk to people who are knowledgable about certain things (controlled demolitions for example) who don't have an interest or connection to the Government or the 9/11 truth movement. The look at all of the evidence provided by both sides. Try to keep you pre-formed, biased opinions out of it. Try to keep your politics out of it. Once you have managed all of that, make up your mind based on what exists.
Those who want to believe will. Those who do not will not. Those who simply want the truth will find it somewhere in the middle.
"I asked him how the explosives could have been set in place with no one being aware of them."
There is proof you can find on the internet and reported in documentaries that research 9/11 that the towers were shut down for "security reasons" days prior to 9/11, and many times over a two-week span. Security workers were also let off, according to many employee reports. Oh, and George Bush's brother Marvin took over ownership of the WTC on 9/10, just a little tidbit of info.
"That it takes thousands of man hours to prepare a building one third the height and volume of the WTC towers for demolition by implosion."
I have lived in Vegas for 13 years and have seen all the hotel implosions that you spoke of. Currently, the Stardust is about to close in November. The implosion is going to follow within a few weeks of the closing. (They have to close before they start placing any explosives.) Thousands of hours? The Stardust is approximately 4-500 feet high.
"Bush had been planning this coup for years before he was even President, the conspirators were either paid handsomely or liquidated, they were intimidated and put in fear of their lives,etc."
Eh, close, you're on the right track. All you need to do now is take it serious. Rigged elections? Larry Silverstein trying to insure the buildings for $7 billion but getting a measly $3.5 billion coverage? Stocks on WTC and airlines plummetting the days before 9/11?
And I find it pretty interesting that you are seeking some reasoning behind "all these kooks" coming in here and posting, like we're conspiring together... have a solid conspiracy theory behind it? Maybe if you'd be more internet-savvy you'd know more of this information that will reveal itself to you after search, after search, after search.
Message from another " Crazy Crackpot " - Here is a list of questions you should be asking, & ask yourself:
From Conspiracy Realist, from myspace, & a quote + request of a dying man - "
Why was Dick Cheney in charge of NORAD on 9/11?
Why did the 9/11 commission OMIT any reference to building 7 falling on 9/11?
Why were George Bush, and Dick Cheney allowed to testify without being under oath for the 9/11 commission?
Why were so many trades made days before the events on 9/11 that involved pulling money OUT of American Airlines stock?
Why did Condoleezza Rice warn the mayor of SF not to fly on 9/11?
I'd love for someone in the government to prove us wrong by reopening the investigation.
I was there, and I am dying for my service that day as a NYC Police Officer.
There is nothing unpatriotic about demanding answers from your government's avoidance of questions!
Yeah, I advise you to stick to golf. Some math on the swing.
& then the ball goes bouncey on the grass, & goes in a whole.
An amazing display of athleticism! 8']
& many get paid big mucho $$$ for it. That I never will understand.
(& before you have gathered ALL of the FACTS ? Don't bash on Conspiracy Theorist.
We are fighting the NWO, & the fascist takeover of this country. Most of us are the only ones standing between them, & the complete ruin of this nation. If it is not already too late.)
I admit, I'm not good at the game, & many who do play have much enjoyment from it.
But, your ignorance surpasses you. Why is it that conspiracy people,like me, are considered looney? & wacko for speaking out agains the Bush Admin. ? The insanity & corruption of our Government? Because, you are manipulated to think that way. Part of the mind-control. Many who have woken up, & a few like yourself who have not awaked yet. How many times does the Govt. have to LIE to you, before you stop believeing them? DO YOUR RESEARCH & HOMEWORK. IF you STUDY the Information that is available to you? You really don't have any excuse.
Google video, look up the free movie Terror Storm, by Alex Jones. That may be a real shocker & too heavey for you, at your present level. But will help to wake you up. & The Road To Tyranny is also excellent. More on the beginning ground.
Politics is obviously not your thing.
Neither is the fact that 9/11 was an INSIDE JOB, apparently.
You will learn.
As for the whole left-wing name calling, most every one who has challenged Chris' blog DOES NOT have a political affiliation due to the fact that both parties are 2 sides of the same coin. One promotes socialist communist agendas such as welfare, big gov't, and income taxes (violates the 4th amendment) and the other party promotes corporatism fascist policies such as massive privatization, corporate welfare, and freedom-from-accountability acts.
I am not a liberal and I am not a conservative.... If you must know, I am a Constitutionalist and a Libertarian. I stand for government being restricted to within the confines of the Constitution and that it should be reduced to what its duties are outlined in the Constitution.
Any member of our government that violates the Constitution should be fired or impeached and depending on their actions, tried in a court of law. It is no coincidence (you should no that coincidences do not exist in the political realm) that this administration has been on a crusade to undermine and destroy our Constitution and our civil liberties using 9-11 as a pretext for its actions.
You are a fool if you think governents do not harm their own people as a means to an end. I dare you to say that after reading history...TRUE HISTORY I must emphasize, not what is spouted to you by your favorite political pundit.
That is outlined proof of explosives by military experts. It wasn't the fuel from the planes, that caused them to collapse. Many witnesses heard explosions, & bombs were set. After the 2 planes had already hit. People messaged other on phones from inside the towers. & wtc Building #7 was destroyed by demolition, as were the WTC's. + a bomb went off in WTC #6 , also. Bush's brother, happened to own building #7 too. What a coincidence. It is/was what is known as a " FALSE FLAG OPERATION ". If you do not know what that is ??
Then you really do need to shut up.
If you do know what it is? Good for you. &, well, go play golf.
~Thomas ( $_$ )
There is also a book you should read, Welcome to the U.S.S.A. By Ryan Dawson.
look for it online, or Barnes & Noble, etc.. U$A
enjoy your money. ( while it last ) not much longer
First of all, were you amazed when our "aerial defenses" were thwarted in the seventies? I ask because airplane hijackings are not uncommon; history has proven that they're very feasible undertakings. Moreover, why would anyone at the time have assumed that these would be anything other than routine hijackings? After all, theretofore every single hijacking had involved individuals who merely wanted to take the craft some place that was not its intended destination.
Anyway, if you examine the conspiracy theory logically and exercise COMPLETE thought, you'll realize that it's riddled with holes, is thoroughly untenable and, quite frankly, idiotic. And while I won't elaborate much, I will mention one refutatory point. We know that Arab men took the planes by force and terrorized the passengers, and we know that they sacrificed themselves for their cause. And we know this because, among other things, the relatives of numerous passengers were talking to the passengers on cellphones.
Now, were those Arab men plants, working for the US government? Did they sacrifice themselves not for Allah and the promise of an eternity in Heaven but for George Bush? Or, were the every day folks who spoke to their loved ones during their last minutes government plants? Were they willing to sacrifice their loved ones for Bush? Or, were those people not really their loved ones? Did they not really talk to them on the phone? If not, then the airlines must be complicit in this conspiracy as well, as they would have to have cooked the passenger manifests. Do you see how this becomes quite convoluted?
But I understand human nature. Thus, I know that if a person has an emotional vested interested in entertaining a fancy, nothing and nobody will be able to disabuse him of his ridiculous notions. But know this: if you subscribe to this folderol, you are most definitely, without a doubt, a sheeple. I hope your two brain cells get along.
Second, again I say, you have obviously not done your own research. If you look at the links that we have suggested, they will direct you to articles that SHOWS that a little less than half of the accussed hijackers were found ALIVE days and weeks after September 11. http://killtown.911review.org/911smokingguns.html
It appears that your claims are the ones full of holes. You say that we have no evidence but we have backed up our claims with evidence that you can read and print and cry over and burn in your fireplace if you want. The fact of the matter is that our evidence is there and tangible, you sir have not backed your claims with any evidence. You have only spouted more talking points that we here every day on our Mass Media news stations. Please, we beg you, read our research. For the sake of your own intellect, all we ask is that you read our evidence and then debate us with a supply of your own FACTUAL evidence that backs up your claim.
Anyway, since, as Ben Franklin said, "You cannot reason a man out of a position he has not reasoned himself into," I won't waste any more time with you. You are a sheeple.
I want to mention one more thing, and we'll see how reasonable you are. If it's true that it was impossible to get cellphone service aboard an aircraft in 2001 (which I don't believe, mind you), then those family members are LYING about having talked to their loved ones. Are you calling them liars?
So, if this is true, then they had to have been government plants, just as I originally stated. So, sorry, but your theory is bunk.
EVERYONE PUT 9/11 PRESS GOR TRUTH DOCUMENTARY ON THEIR MYSPACE PAGES AND OTHER BLOGS. THEN FREQUENT THE MOST VISITED MUSIC ARTISTS ON MYSPACE AND DIRECT PEOPLE TO YOUR WEBSITE TO WATCH THIS NEW (postd on google 8th September 2006) GROUNDBREAKING DOCUMENTARY.
This is how better to spread the truth than bother with the people that can't see the woods for the trees in this blog like alex and others.
How many of you identify yourself to your 'MOM' with your first and last name?
Again, cell phones, in 2001 could not get a signal at the cruising altitude of 32,000 ft.
Does it matter to anyone that Larry Silverstein is on tape saying, "With the huge loss of life that day, we should just "pull it" (referring to WTC 7) and with "Pull" being the term they use when they decide to bring a building down with Controlled Demolition. He went on to say (on film), "So the decision was made to 'pull it' and we sat and watched the building come down"
Rumsfield is on tape correcting himself stating (referring to flight 93) "When we shot the plane down" (If anyone watched the 2 part farce of bullshit that aired, surprisingly they DID incorporate that order in the film. They just never showed it happen and they never DENIED it happened in the docu-drama fantasy that did air.
There are quite a few videos that civilians made that when slowed down frame by frame, you can see the "squibs" (pre planted explosives) going off many floors below while it's toppling. Falling buildings do just that- -FALL- to the left, right, north, south, you name it. They don't fall inside themselves. That is WHY they do controlled demolitions. To prevent it from falling over as gravity would have it do.
Bush is on film doing a photo shoot while all this is going on. He was made aware of the first plane hitting before entering the classroom to read to the children in Florida. It then shows one of his men coming into the room and whispering into his ear-notifying him that the second plane hit. He lightly nods and then JUST SITS THERE with this dumbfounded look on his face. For over 7 MINUTES. WHY was he not whisked out of the classroom by his security? Bush's agenda was well known for that morning. The 'terrorists' could have easily flew into that school. No, he was allowed to finish up his promotional shoot KNOWING that he was in NO DANGER because they KNEW EXACTLY where those planes were headed.
The Towers itself were shut down numerous times in the 3 weeks or so PRIOR to this happening. Not even the WTC security were allowed in the building. A great time to get those explosives set up. There is NO WAY Silverstein ordered WTC to be pulled and then had explosives planted that same day.
The REAL commercial planes that DID get used, were only filled to 25% capacity when they normally are filled to 75%. A few 'Politicals' received calls the night before NOT TO FLY TO NEW YORK the next day....WHY IS THAT??
In 2000 Bush stated they needed another Pearl Harbor like attack and mentioned his goal was to finish in Iraq what his father started years ago.
Also, watch the videos that show the 'alleged Bin Laden' taking claim. They do side by side photos of the REAL bin laden next to the look alike that was staking claim. The FBI also has him listed as being left handed and the video clearly shows him BOTH WRITING and EATING with his RIGHT hand.
All this is verifiable-on film and on black and white documents-all you have to do is search.
While doing that, might I suggest you also search Rupperts Documentation of the CIA? I will NOT get into WHY, just do it. Ruppert is an ex Head of narcotics and was for years. There is NO DENYING the proof that he has. He was even shot at when he first went public with it.
So, you now have an awful lot of "factual evidence" to search out for yourself. Since you are soooo sure we're all Looney then for that reason alone you need to watch. When done VIEWING these things YOURSELF, come back and then TRY to debunk this stuff. But do it intelligently, not by just AUTOMATICALLY ASSUMING the Government would never do such a thing or automatically believing what you're being told. ... ...I challenge you to follow through with this.
You saw JFK's head flap blow off onto the trunk of the car. The offical story remains that he was shot from the rear. Any man or woman with a highschool level of education in the feild of physics can tell you that, that is impossible and didnt happen. Think for yourself, stop following blind...........you know what, go play a round, dont worry about it.
"UNTHINKING RESPECT FOR AUTHORITY IS THE GREATEST ENEMY OF TRUTH"
- Albert Einstein
That........Says it all!! :)
Oh yea, you don't have to believe me about the cell phone thing.... do a google search on it for that time period. Or................... you can check out the links that we have provided above which catalogs and provides links to the evidence we have gathered. I really don't remember how many times I have asked of this. Just saying that you don't believe me does not refute our evidence. Just saying that your "common sense" does not compute does not refute our evidence. Please read, I can guarantee that you will VERY surprised (obviously).
Listen, I'll tell you this: if Bush and company are capable of orchestrating such a complex conspiracy, one involving a plenitude of different facets, and for the first time in the history of man maintain the facade despite the involvement of a large number of indidivuals, then we have nothing to worry about. After all, with such a capable group of Machiavellian operators at the helm of our nation, the Islamists, Koreans and Chinese won't even be able to raise a welt on our collective fanny.
Alex, yes, these folks are the epitome of a crackpot. And it's interesting how these leftist nuts just can't make up their barely functioning minds. Bush is either so stupid that he can't chew gum and walk simultaneously, or he's a veritable Machiavelli who is a nonpareil conspirator. You know, one of these nuts quoted Einstein, stating, "Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth." In reality, though, a lack of respectable thinking is the greatest enemy of truth."
By the way, while Einstein was a genius in the field of physics, he was also a political moron, much like the these conspiracy theorists.
Of course, I realize that there is one simple line, which will forever keep conspiracies such as the 9/11 theories eternal:
"Oh yeah, well, the editor of Popular Mechanics is in on it, too."
The funniest assertion is the notion that no planes ever crashed into the WTC. Now, trust me, because I grew up in NYC, when I say that at least a few people live and work in the borough of Manhattan. Consequently, we probably have scores of thousands of witnesses who saw the aircraft being propelled into the towers. Of course, I'm sure these people are in on the conspiracy, too.
I'll tell you, I get the feeling that psychiatric institutions are providing their patients Internet access nowadays.
To hell with Israel and long live the USA!
Remember the USS Liberty!
I find it hard to believe that people are this vitriolic on the subject of a conspiracy. Some of the "facts" that are thrown out accusing the govennment of involvement in the 911 attacks are pretty funny. This one refrenced by Max "http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662" talks about stuff in the sixties! I'm sure Bush was planning on having the towers built in the seventies so that when he was President in the nineties he could blow them up so his brother could collect insurance on building #7.
Oh My God! Wait A Second! That Actually Makes Sense!!!! Maybe you guys are right!!! Get a life and listen to what you are actually saying instead of mimicing sound bites of Bush haters. I am not a Bush lover, I am an Independant voter who listens to all points and then decides!
Human nature is amazing. When people have an emotional vested interest in believing something, they will rationalize way the truth regardless of how many mental contortions they will have to do. Another amazing thing is how many people this topic has brought out of the woodwork.
I was recruited by the NSA. As far as remuneration is concerned, my understanding is that when all is said and done, I'll own one of the Virgin Islands. Although, there is the possibility that I'll have to share it with George when he seeks respite from the travails of the constant exercise of dictatorial power. But I should have free run of at least 40% of the island even during his brief hiatuses.
It may sound like a gratuitous measure of compensation, but remember that with all the oil profits that Bush, Inc. has been reaping, a billion here and a billion there is chump change. Besides, I've done a lot for the corporation. And I don't just mean Internet disinformation work, but also cooking books, vote manipulation and even, I'm not afraid to reveal, "black bag jobs." I like to get my hands dirty.
For Immediate Release -- Office of the Press Secretary -- September 15, 2006 -- Press Conference of the President -- The Rose Garden -- President's Remarks -- 11:15 A.M. EDT
Blah blah ...we need to torture, because...
Bush: For example, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed described the design of planned attacks of buildings inside the U.S. and how operatives were directed to carry them out. That is valuable information for those of us who have the responsibility to protect the American people. He told us the operatives had been instructed to ensure that the explosives went off at a high -- a point that was high enough to prevent people trapped above from escaping.
Bush HESITATES twice and gives away more than he is saying... he uses REVERSE LOGIC.. if the explosives are planted HIGH in the building.. there are LESS floors above where people can get trapped. i.e. If the OPERATIVES wanted to MINIMIZE the bloodbath they would WANT TO plant explosives HIGH in the building.
Also, WHY is this valuable information? Since nobody in the Bush admin did anything to prevent it, the VALUE of the information could only illustrate how negligent the Bush admin was. But this is a red herring anyway! The Bush junta is starting to COVER ITS ARSE ... My guess is that Bush's handlers have instructed Shrub to GIVE A CODED WARNING to the operatives that there are documents to be released which will EXPOSE and confirm the use of explosives... they are giving out the DIRECTIVE FOR SPIN:
* The "operatives" planted explosives... how ludicrous is that? Arabs planting tons of explosives! and oooh hooo.. SUDDENLY we discoverd that it was NOT JUST THE FUEL that brought the towers down and slaughtered 3000 New Yorkers... maybe they will also give medals to 911-truthers that HELPED to UNCOVER THIS EVIL PLOT.
Here are the references.
JET FUEL caused 47 columns of steel to melt--------HaHaHaHaHaHa-but it's good to see the majority here have the intellegence to SEE THE TRUTH and only a minority are walking around with their heads up their asses as Bush's Puppets. (What utter ignorance)
Simple Physics Reveals The Big Lie
Collapse Theory Fails Reality Check
On September 11, 2001, most of the world watched in horror as the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center (WTC) collapsed. People did not have to be tuned in at the time in order to have seen it; it was repeated ad nauseam on television for days.
In June 2005, in an apparent response to an article by Morgan Reynolds, Robert Gates, the former Director of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) stated ( cached), "The American people know what they saw with their own eyes on September 11, 2001. To suggest any kind of government conspiracy in the events of that day goes beyond the pale."
Well, first of all, the American people saw things not with their own eyes but on television, which is comprised nowadays of digital information, which can be manipulated by computers. So, right off the top, Gates' premise is flawed. And while the towers are gone, people have, both with their own eyes and on TV, seen magic performed before; eyes can be deceived. So let's just examine his other premise: whether or not it is true that people know what they saw.
(The following must be said before we can get to the physics.)
The government and the media told us what we saw. The government told us that we had witnessed a "gravitational" collapse; what is now referred to as a "pancake collapse". According to the government's, and PBS's, and Popular Mechanics', and Scientific American's theory, airplane crashes and subsequent kerosene (like lamp oil; jet fuel is NOT exotic) fires heated steel to the point where it was weakened, which is already very difficult to believe, nevermind repeat in an experiment. According to their "pancake theory", this imagined purported (all the evidence was subsequently illegally destroyed) weakening supposedly caused part of the tower to collapse downward onto the rest of the tower, which, we've been repeatedly told, somehow resulted in a chain reaction of lower floors, sequentially, one at a time, yielding to the floors falling from above.
There are at least 2 problems with that theory; it does not fit the observed facts: It cannot account for either the total failure of the immense core columns, nor the too-rapid-to-blame-it-all-on-gravity collapse times. This article focuses on the latter of these two mentioned discrepancies.
The scientists who've concocted this "pancake theory" made a fatal error: they forgot to check their work! Which is an easy thing to do, even without any physical evidence to forensically examine. Anyone, at any time, can check the work of the scientists -- that incredible pancake theory of theirs -- using simple, high-school physics!
And that's what we're about to do here. We're going to check the work -- something every grade-schooler is taught to do -- of those "scientists".
We will use a simple, unassailable, incontrovertible conservation-of-energy analysis to perform a simple, basic reality check that establishes, once and for all, that the U.S. government, PBS, Popular Mechanics, and Scientific American have misrepresented the true nature of the events of 9/11.
How Gravity Acts
Sir Isaac Newton noticed, centuries ago, that apples fell (down! never up...) from trees. Lots of others, before him, had also noticed this, but none had ever devised a theory of gravity from the observation. Over the years, mankind has learned that the force of gravity comes from an acceleration of known constant magnitude, depending only upon mass and separation. (That doesn't mean we know HOW it works, or WHY, but we have managed to be able to predict its effects with a high degree of precision and an even higher degree of certainty -- gravity has always had the same, predictable, effect.)
Of course, people didn't figure this stuff out immediately. According to legend, Galileo Galilei used the leaning tower of Pisa to demonstrate that a large ball and a small one (of lesser mass) fell (accelerated) at the same rate. Prior to Galileo, people had just assumed that heavier objects fell faster (much the way mankind had long assumed that the Earth was flat!).
So while an object of greater mass will exert more force upon anything which is supporting it against gravity's pull (ie, it's heavier), it does not experience any greater acceleration when gravity's pull is not opposed (ie, when it's falling). Earth's gravity can only accelerate objects downward at one known, constant, maximum rate (1 g). Heavier objects are not accelerated any quicker than are lighter objects, as Galileo demonstrated centuries ago.
The Simplest Case
From experimentation, it has been discovered that, near the surface of the Earth, Earth's gravity will produce a downward acceleration of 32 feet per second per second.
What that means is that an object, after falling one second, will be falling at 32 ft/sec.
After the 2nd second, it will be falling at 64 ft/sec.
After the 3rd second, it will be falling at 96 ft/sec.
And so on.
Further, since gravity's acceleration is constant, and it's falling at 32 ft/sec after one second has elapsed, we know that it has averaged 16 ft/sec for the entire distance, which, after one second, is 16 feet.
As you might imagine, after quite a few such thought experiments, some simple free-fall equations have been derived which can be used to harness this knowledge via numbers and arithmetic:
Velocity = Gravity x Time
Distance = 1/2 x Gravity x Time(squared)
So if we want to know how far the object has free-fallen after 3 seconds:
Distance = 1/2 x 32 x 9 = 144 feet
So after 3 seconds, in Earth's gravity, an object will have fallen 144 feet and will be falling at 96 ft/sec.
Checking Our Work
OK, we've just solved a simple physics problem! Now let's check our work, using conservation of energy.
We know that energy is neither created nor destroyed. It merely changes forms. If we take the potential (chemical) energy in a barrel of oil and burn it, we get heat energy. When we take refined oil and burn it in our car's engine, we get kinetic (ie, motion) energy (plus some heat; an engine's not 100% efficient). When we use our car's brakes to bleed off some of that kinetic energy (ie, slow down), the energy is converted into heat (the brakes get HOT).
In the case of the free-falling body, the two kinds of energy we are concerned with are kinetic energy and potential energy. Examples of potential (gravitational) energy are the water stored way up high in a water tower, or a boulder perched atop a hill. If whatever's holding them up there is removed, they will come down, under the influence of gravity's pull.
So, as an object falls, it gives up potential energy for kinetic energy.
It turns out that the equation for potential energy is as follows:
Potential Energy = Mass x Gravity x Height
It turns out that the equation for kinetic energy is as follows:
Kinetic Energy = 1/2 x Mass x Velocity(squared)
So let's just say, for the sake of simplicity, that our falling object has a mass of 1. (Remember, the object's mass will affect its energy, and its momentum, but not its rate of free-fall.)
The potential energy given up by falling 3 seconds (144 ft) is 1 x 32 x 144 = 4608
The kinetic energy gained after falling 3 secs is 1/2 x 1 x 96(squared) = 1/2 x 9216 = 4608
So, all of the available potential energy was converted to kinetic energy. Seeing that energy was, in fact, conserved is how we know that the answer in The Simplest Case, above, was correct. We've checked our work, using an independent analysis, based upon the sound principle of conservation of energy. Now, and only now, we can be certain that our answer was correct.
[based upon a graphic at stopthelie.com]
If dropped at the same time,
which would reach the ground first?
One Little Complicationn
The free-fall equations reflect a perfect, frictionless world. They perfectly predict the behavior of falling bodies in a vacuum. In fact, some of you may have seen a science class demonstration in which the air is pumped out of a tube and then a feather will fall, in that vacuum, as fast as will a solid metal ball.
That's how parachutes work: much of the falling object's potential energy gets expended doing the work of pushing a lot of air out of the way in order for the object to fall. As a result, not all of the potential gravitational energy can go towards accelerating the object downward at gravity's maximal rate of 32 ft/sec/sec.
In other words, only when there is zero resistance can any falling object's potential energy be completely converted into kinetic energy. Anything which interferes with any falling object's downward acceleration will cause its acceleration to be reduced from the maximum gravitational acceleration of 32 feet per second per second, as some of gravity's potential energy is consumed doing work overcoming resistance.
That's why you may have heard the term "terminal velocity". The free-fall equations predict that a falling object's velocity will continue to increase, without limit. But in air, once a falling object reaches a certain speed, it's propensity to fall will be matched by air's resistance to the fall. At that point the object will continue to fall, but its speed will no longer increase over time.
A Quick Recap
Earth's gravity causes objects to fall. They fall according to precise, well-known equations. The equations assume no (air) resistance. Any resistance at all will cause the object to fall less rapidly than it would have without that resistance.
It is that last sentence which bears repeating.
There is a maximum possible rate at which objects fall, and if any of gravity's potential energy is consumed doing anything other than accelerate the object downward -- even just having to push air out of the way -- there will be less energy available to accelerate the object downward, and so that object's downward acceleration will be diminished.
And if an object's downward acceleration is diminished, it will be going slower along the way, and thus it will take longer to fall a given distance.
Free-falling from WTC heights
The towers were 1350 and 1360 feet tall. So let's start by using our trusty free-fall equation to see how long it should take an object to free-fall from the towers' former height.
Distance = 1/2 x Gravity x Time(squared)
Time(squared) = (2 x Distance) / Gravity
Time(squared) = 2710 / 32 = 84.7
Time = 9.2
So our equation tells us that it will take 9.2 seconds to free-fall to the ground from the towers' former height.
Using our simpler equation, V = GT, we can see that at 9.2 seconds, in order to reach the ground in 9.2 seconds, the free-falling object's velocity must be about 295 ft/sec, which is just over 200 mph.
But that can only occur in a vacuum.
Since the WTC was at sea level, in Earth's atmosphere, you might be able to imagine how much air resistance that represents. (Think about putting your arm out the window of a car moving half that fast!) Most free-falling objects would reach their terminal velocity long before they reached 200 mph. For example, the commonly-accepted terminal velocity of a free-falling human is around 120 mph. The terminal velocity of a free-falling cat is around 60 mph. ( source)
Therefore, air resistance alone will make it take longer than 10 seconds for gravity to pull an object to the ground from the towers' former height.
Observations from 9/11
On page 305 of the 9/11 Commission Report, we are told, in the government's "complete and final report" of 9/11, that the South Tower collapsed in 10 seconds. (That's the government's official number. Videos confirm that it fell unnaturally, if not precisely that, fast. See for yourself: QT Real)
But as we've just determined, that's free-fall time. That's close to the free-fall time in a vacuum, and an exceptionally rapid free-fall time through air.
But the "collapse" proceeded "through" the lower floors of the tower. Those undamaged floors below the impact zone would have offered resistance that is thousands of times greater than air. Recall that those lower floors had successfully supported the mass of the tower for 30 years.
Air can't do that.
Can anyone possibly imagine the undamaged lower floors getting out of the way of the upper floors as gracefully and relatively frictionlessly as air would? Can anyone possibly imagine the undamaged lower floors slowing the fall of the upper floors less than would, say, a parachute?
It is beyond the scope of the simple, but uncontested, physics in this presentation to tell you how long the collapse should have taken. Would it have taken minutes? Hours? Days? Forever?
Perhaps. But what is certain, beyond any shadow of a doubt, is that the towers could not have collapsed gravitationally, through intact lower floors, as rapidly as was observed on 9/11.
Not even close!
Because, as you may recall, not only was much energy expended in causing the observed massive high-speed sideways ejections, but virtually all the glass and concrete was "pulverized" -- actually " dissociated" is a much better word. (Nevermind what happened to all the supporting steel core columns...!!!) And the energy requirements to do anything even remotely like that rival the total amount of potential energy that the entire tower had to give. ( source) So while gravity is nearly strong enough to cause some things to fall that far, through air, in the observed interval, and while gravity is probably not strong enough to have so thoroughly disintegrated the towers under their own weight, gravity is certainly not strong enough to have done both at once.
In order for the tower to have collapsed "gravitationally", as we've been told over and over again, in the observed duration, one or more of the following zany-sounding conditions must have been met:
* The undamaged floors below the impact zone offered zero resistance to the collapse
* The glass and concrete spontaneously disintegrated without any expenditure of energy
* On 9/11, gravity was much stronger than gravity
* On 9/11, energy was not conserved
However, none of these physics-violating conditions can be accounted for by the official government conspiracy theory of 9/11, nor by any of the subsequent analyses designed to prop up the official theory of 9/11.
Bottom line: the government/PBS/PM/SA explanation for the WTC collapses fails the most basic conservation-of-energy reality check. Therefore the government/PBS/PM/SA theory does not fit the observed facts; the notion of a "pancake collapse" cannot account for what happened. The "pancake collapse theory" explanation is impossible, and thus absurd.
It is utterly impossible for a "gravitational collapse" to proceed so destructively through a path of such great resistance in anywhere near free-fall times. This fact debunks the preposterous contention that the observed WTC collapses can be blamed solely upon damages resulting from aerial assaults.
So, to the extent that people accept the ridiculous "pancake collapse" explanation, Gates' other premise, that people know what they saw, is also incorrect. It is left to the reader to decide if his conclusion, which was based upon two incorrect presumptions, is also flawed.
The purported "gravitational" collapse ( video) of World Trade Center building 7, which was hit by zero aircraft, and which also vertically collapsed in within a second of free-fall-time-in-a-vacuum later that same day, similarly fails this same conservation-of-energy analysis.
The explanation for how and why so many highly-accredited and credentialed people all so miserably failed to check the "pancake collapse" theory, by giving it this basic reality check, is beyond the scope of this simple physics discussion.
I only ones I feel sorry for, are the children and grandchildren of these assholes that have their heads not only in their own asses but in Dubya's ass as well. I guess leaving their next generation to living in a dictatorship with NO rights or freedoms and allowing martial law to take over.
Talk about crackpots. The only kooks are the ones dumb enough to believe the consipracy theory our government "terrorists" try to put over on you. Good thing Most Americans have awakened. Justice will Prevail in the end. Justice for the FAMILIES of the Victims of this UnGodly Cover up and to ALL the American Citizens that foolishly believed that our Government would actually Protect our Country.
9/11 Toxic Dust Whistleblower Raided By SWAT Team
Ground zero hero Major Mike McCormack says he was deliberately targeted for helping release documents on EPA government cover-up, says 75% of police, firemen believe 9/11 cover-up
Paul Joseph Watson/ | September 15 2006
A 9/11 toxic dust whistleblower, a ground zero hero and one of the individuals influential in the release of documents proving a government cover-up that deliberately put police, firemen and rescue personel at risk, has been raided by a New York SWAT team - who ransacked his home for three hours after he was arrested.
Major Mike McCormack is a hospital technician and civil air patrol pilot who worked the ground zero site for eight days after the collapse of the twin towers. He is one of the real heroes of 9/11 and was the man who found the American flag that was later displayed as a token of unity atop the rubble.
Within hours McCormack was coughing up black mucus and within days he was coughing up blood as the toxic dust that was deliberately covered up by the EPA poisoned his lungs along with all the other rescue workers, police and firemen who were being used in photo ops by Bush and his cronies while their very livelihoods were being endangered by a government cover-up.
McCormack now suffers from an extreme respiratory sensitivity, has a 5-millimeter metal nodule in one lung and has been forced to give up his passion of scuba diving.
McCormack is part of an organization lobbying Congress to demand a response from the federal government to the toxic dust cover-up and just compensation for the heroes of 9/11 who were deserted by their own government while the Bush administration had the audacity to use the attacks to fulfil a pre-determined political agenda by exploiting the unity created by the events of that day.
McCormack now describes himself as "permanently ill" as a result of the "death sentence" that was imposed on him via the toxic dust cover-up and sees it as only a matter of time before he "takes the dirt nap," just as some of his friends who worked with him at ground zero have already done.
McCormack currently occupies a high position of employment in security with the federal government which at the moment he prefers not to divulge. He has many friends who were affected by the ground zero toxic dust, including New York City police and state troopers.
McCormack was part of the anniversary ceremonies on September 11 2006 and provided many hand-shaking photo-ops for numerous politicians, before returning to his family home in Pennsylvania that night. McCormack returned to his New York home the next morning in preparation to visit ground zero once again.
On the morning of September 12, McCormack's tenant opened the door to see half a dozen detectives outside who began asking questions and demanding to search the building. The detectives didn't have a warrant and needed McCormack's signature to conduct the search.
Having nothing to hide and wanting to assist the police, McCormack signed the paper and the detectives entered the house.
"Three minutes later as I'm walking out of my office with one of the detectives, I have a federal SWAT team that comes in....men in black and all of a sudden they have 9 millimeter handguns and MP5 machine guns aimed at my head," McCormack told the Alex Jones Show.
McCormack was ordered to leave the building as the 15-strong Darth Vader like SWAT team members verbally abused him and commenced ransacking his house for up to three hours "like a cyclone."
The reason for the raid was said to be as a result of a complaint that the odor of chemicals was smelled coming from the house. McCormack was essentially being treated as a potential terrorist.
McCormack had mistakenly left a legally owned unloaded gun in the trunk of his car before traveling back from Pennsylvania. Thinking that the 48 hour out of state law applied he planned to return the gun to Pennsylvania the next day. Not wanting to take the gun down to ground zero he felt the safest place to put it would be the house. The gun was subsequently discovered by the SWAT team. Through a selectively enforced loophole McCormack is now being charged with illegal possession of a weapon because he took the gun out of state.
"The detective who arrested me told me that he had actually seen my photo in New York Newsday that past Thursday - he knew that I was a ground zero hero and the bottom line is finding that weapon unloaded - running the numbers - knowing the gun was legal if he was a decent human being he would have said 'give me 24 hours I will mail it to your house in Pennsylvania where it's legal - you have your permit'," said McCormack.
During the course of the raid, the SWAT team members and detectives interrogated McCormack on his possession of gas masks and biochemical protection suits, despite the fact that these are standard inventory for an individual in McCormack's line of work and despite diplomas hanging on his wall describing government training in biochemical casualty programs.
The SWAT team also accused McCormack of making chemicals in his barbeque grill.
McCormack's tenant, who questioned the officials' behavior during the raid, was "taken to federal jail and nobody has heard from him since," according to McCormack.
McCormack believes the set-up and the raid are a direct reaction to his activism in helping get the EPA documents that proved the toxic dust cover-up released.
"I said shame on all of them....yesterday I was recognized as a national hero....they chose to humiliate me....they basically flushed my life down the toilet for no reason whatsoever," said McCormack - who is now shunned by his neighbors and treated as a dangerous criminal, with the local authorities going to the lengths of moving the location of an elementary school bus stop which was outside of his house.
Another reason for the raid may have been McCormack's increasing awareness of aspects of the 9/11 official story that don't add up. McCormack described the comments of individuals who were at ground zero when President Bush visited in the days after the attack.
"Numerous firemen were telling me that they heard numerous secondary explosions all over the building - these guys are seasoned firefighting professionals - a lot of them have military backgrounds and they're not stupid."
"Everybody on the planet knew that not only was the World Trade Center hit - it was totally wiped out," said McCormack.
McCormack said that around 75% of police, firemen and rescue personnel that he had personally spoke with now believe there is a cover-up pertaining to 9/11 and that many had been threatened that "if they ever open their mouth their pensions are at risk."
McCormack said that friends of his had also personally been involved in the construction of FEMA internment camps in Washington DC and New York. BBC investigative reporter Greg Palast was recently charged with "threatening infrastructure" after videotaping a Katrina victims camp in Louisiana and Exxon Mobil's Baton Rouge refinery - the charge has now thankfully been dropped .
McCormack said the government had "abandoned" the heroes of 9/11 and that "when Alex tells you this is Nazi Germany, you best believe it," describing the events as "part of the new world order."
Mike McCormack appreciates any help and legal support as he fights the charge against him. His home number is 631-886-1622.
Click here to listen to Mike McCormack's interview on The Alex Jones Show.
*The image at the top of this article is illustrative only and does not portray the individuals involved in the events described in the story.
COMMENT ON THIS ARTICLE
You can listen to the interview at Prison Planet.com
As far as the levees go. As of today, I'd never given it much thought. I accepted what I've seen and heard. I've seen NOTHING that says otherwise.....yet. What that means, is I'd not be so close minded to think that it 'couldn't' happen. I'd be open to see what kind of evidence there was to prove it was done deliberately-I actually believed as you still do regarding 9/11 up until about 18 mos ago. Yes, I thought the buildings looked like they were controlled when they fell, but never persued it further-until I started seeing documments that once were classified and now declassified, hearing witness accounts from the firefighters, watching the tapes over and over in slowed down frame by frame motion and there is no way to explain the squibs happening. Buildings dont' fall inside themselves normally, YES that has been stated by Experts that so controlled demolitions. I could have just as easily said...Yeah, right..what a kook, idiot, etc. But there is too much out there to be ignored.
Although I'm not sure why I'm bothering as you have been nothing but nasty from post one with the name calling etc., but I happen to be married to a republican that voted FOR Bush. I was neither Repub. or Dem. Up until now. I'm still neither as the corruption is happening under the democratic ruling as well. Its been going on for years. Money, Power and Drugs is what it's all about. That is based on what I've watched and read regarding experts, etc.
No, you don't have to conform to MY way of thinking, but at least show some respect. The firefighters are 100% behind the TruthFor911 people. So are the wives, husbands and parents that were left behind as well. Cops are questioning the story the government has tried so hard to make us believe.
If you are soooo sure that your beliefs are the right ones, then why not sit back and watch us 'kooks' be proved wrong rather than to sit and call names. Why so much nastiness and hateful name calling?
All I can do is TRY to make people aware by passing on info., interviews, videos, etc that put the big question mark in front of me. I cannot change the way someone thinks, believes, etc. I can only hope to get ONE more mind open enough to take the time to say, "What can looking at this evidence hurt?" But also keep an open mind when doing so.
I will apologize now for any typo's I may have missed. The hubby went to point to my monitor last night and knocked over my glass of diet pepsi--its still working, but some of the keys are sticking badly. Think what you want regarding what I believe, but I'm NOT stupid, a kook, a crackpot nor am I dumb. I don't believe what I'm told without researching it myself and coming to my own conclusion. My IQ is 136 so I'm not a genius either. I'm just an ordinary American Citizen that is afraid of what our Government is starting to turn our Country into and want better for my Children and Grandchildren when I'm gone. All the freedoms and liberties the soldiers before us fought to get for us are now being taken away. One by one. I will do whatever I can or have to do to stand up against that happening. It doesn't mean YOU have to do the same.
No, as of today I don't think the levees were blown, I feel they gave in to a nasty storm that mother nature dumped on us. BUT...should questions ALONG with evidence of proof start being presented, I could easily change my opinion of that but it will be due to what *I* discover by researching the materials myself.
I label people like you nuts because you are nuts. Moreover, you're ill-educated nuts. There's a good reason why the buildings fell as they did, and it has nothing to do with controlled demolition. However, I'm quite sure any explanation would fall on deaf -- and dumb -- ears.
I want to congratulate you on a magnificent job in New Orleans. I was especially impressed at how, with the artful employment of controlled demolition, you were able to completely ravage the black areas of the city while leaving the French Quarter unscathed. Moreover, I know that while a few desperate voices may air their suspicions, they will find evidence as elusive as an honest vote count. With the advanced technology your team has at its disposal, nary a smidgeon of residue will be found. And I would like to take this opportunity to say, and I think I speak for many of the initiated, that it's men such as you who have made the Corporation the profitable, powerful enterprise it is today.
By the way, I also must say that I have to echo your sentiment: the decision to hitch my wagon to the Bush Syndicate's star was among the best I have ever made. In fact, I never thought that I would live to see the day when the operators in Reagan, Inc. would be made to look like neophytes, but that day has arrived. While a good profit could be realized by those of us in Reagan's inner circle, I always felt that the Gipper was too encumbered by principle and ideological imperatives. Bush, on the other hand, rightly understands that every moment that one does not maximize profits is a moment wasted. He -- like the Wiemen, I might add -- realizes that one's value is only to be measured by the yardstick of material gain and, oh, that gain has been prodigious! Mine eyes have seen the glory!
That is YOUR opinion Judge. And I was ill-educated when I believed our Government would protect us. You are only ill-educated when you REFUSE to see facts. Bush is the low man on this totem pole of decieit and when it starts to fall apart, he will be their patsie.
I can only say that in time it will all come out and I'm not going to be the one on the "dumb" end.
Your way of thinking regarding the Bush Administration is scary at best. An honest Politition? That borders on an oxymoron if one ever did.. . then again, you're a judge. You'd know all about pay offs and such.
Good luck to you Judge, you're going to need it. I tried to respond to Alex's question with the utmost respect. I do know though, that the ones that follow blindly tend to be the ones lacking any sense of respect for others and are the most ill-educated.(and usually pretty full of themselves) The only "deaf ears" are the ears that refuse to HEAR whats being said and to see what is put right in front of them.
I put verifiable proof of everything when I made an accusation. All the nay-sayers did was come on, call names, and show THEIR lack of intelligence. Follow Blindly Kind Sir. In the end, you have only yourself to blame.
With that, my communication with you is done. I won't stoop down to your level.
To be honest, I don't think I could get that low if I tried.
shut up about 911 until the Bush admin.
is shown for what they really are.
Treason & murders.
Thanks for the Canadian to keep it alive.
My, I don't think I've ever seen so many platitudes in one post before. You'd make an excellent parrot.
Polly wanna crack-up?
FYI-Good thing you're a judge. You'd make a LOUSY attorney. You have NO debating skills what so ever. It's fine to disagree, learn how to do so respectfully!
A parrot? Sure, I can handle that. Better than being a sheeple that sits blindly ACCEPTING everything you're told when anyone with an iota of common sense can see the holes.
Correction-this blog wasn't up on 8/15 Mr "I know ALL". Go ahead, blame it on a typo-you aren't the type that can admit when they're wrong. LMAO!!
Watch the news. It's starting to come out already Mr NonInformed Alex.
I find golf dull and boring (as it turns out I see that spills over onto the actual golfers as well.)
Tell ya what, reply in an email and I'll gladly send you my address Alex. It will make your surveillance and 2am visit much simpler for you. :) I don't think you will find much with your head so far up your ass.
Until you can back your idiotic statements with some actual facts, I have better things to do with my time.
Knowledge is Power. Try putting down your clubs and get informed.
Oh, and enjoy the rest of the evening :)
I find you dull and boring. Banal stupidity doesn't score any points in the Alan Cup.
I live in the Golf Capitol of the World (aww gee, you already know that now dontcha'?)-- Need a hint? It's in the Southeast. :)
Good Luck to ya Alex (since you're so willing to accept what you're TOLD to believe, you're gonna need all the luck you can get).
It's "almost" been fun.
BUT, there is one thing I can do and that's admit when I'm wrong.
You DO have a sense of humor!! :)
FWIW-I'm not skeptical at all regarding the camps. I've seen videos, know where they are located, and have Bush on video finally own up to having them, although lying about their real use.
To make my scheduling easier, 3 mos after the elections will be February. I'll be leaving on 1/31/07 and will be in the UK until approx.2/16/07. From there I'll be in Amsterdam for approx a week then will wrap up in France from about the 25th of Feb till 3/10. Does that help? That is, of course, unless the Good Lord changes his plan. I'm going by the 6 mos. to a year I've been told I have so I'm getting my dream vacation (minus making it to Australia.)
Oh, and one last thing. Just WHEN does the U.S. Capitol move from DC to the state of Nebraska?? My understanding is after 2015 but would love to get an approx. if not exact year this happens since I won't be aroud to witness it for myself.
That would be a great comeback for someone that wasn't really ill.
Since this is my THIRD round with it, I made the decision to no longer receive treatment and live what's left doing things that need to get done, things that make ME happy.
I can look myself in the mirror and feel good about myself. I have no trouble sleeping at night.
I've CHOSEN to try to make others aware of what is happening. I can't reach everyone, I know that. But I walk away knowing I tried.
I hope you get to live a long long life in this dictatorship that's been happening for awhile now and that you aren't a victim of this new Police State. Martial Law is no way for an American to have to live. I may not be around, but my kids and 2 grandkids (so far) WILL BE directly involved in this injustice due to money hungry corrupt officials. That is what keeps me motivated.
(put the golf clubs away for ONE day and use it to look up these bills and laws that have been being signed -some in secrecy (with Canada & Mexico) and some right before our eyes. Research the Northwood Operation, Pearl Harbor, Prescott Bush's aide to Hitler.
I may not still be of this earth when the truth regarding it ALL finally does come out but you can bet your ass I'll be here in whatever form that may be-and no, I won't be pointing and laughing at you for being so ignorant all these years. I will be there with HOPE that you've LEARNED and are aware now and will do whatever you can to make things right.
This is my last time visiting this page. I won't be returning so there is no point in a response.
I wish each and everyone here well and 'Truthseekers'- -Don't ever back down from what you believe and know is right in your heart. And remember-Karma has a way of finding the right person. :)
Peace~, Goodbye, and Good Luck!
Bertha, and swing hard.
Actually, I may just print it all out, and correct the spelling and typos. Perfect for after lunch Boxing Day entertainment as there is no golf to watch and I couldn't get a decent tee-time. Merry Christmas all.
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