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Paula Creamer's sophomore slump continues at Bighorn: Yet she's still better than Michelle Wie
Sunday October 15, 2006 | 04:15:01 272 words, 6687 views
Paula Creamer couldn’t keep up when Annika Sorenstam made her move at the Samsung World Championship. While Sorenstam was going six under in the third round, Creamer only managed an even par 72. And so Creamer’s sophomore season flatline on the LPGA Tour continues. After four wins worldwide as a rookie, Creamer has gone winless this year. She’ll play well one round, OK another, medicore in others. There is no one tournament where Creamer’s put it all together in 2006. And you know what? Paula Creamer’s still better than Michelle Wie. Today, tomorrow and likely forever. While Creamer has gone through letdown adjustments of a sophomore slump that many pros in a number of sports experience, Wie has turned herself into a virtual punchline. It’s not just that Wie is winless in years of playing pro events now. It’s the increasingly whiny excuses coming out of her own mouth. We’ve heard a lot more about the Winless Wonders’ endless string of “bad breaks” than about Creamer’s wrist injury. One that had her wearing a brace to shield the strained ligaments. “It definitely affected my summer,” Creamer told the New York Times. “But those are things you have to overcome and deal with. I did a lot of rehab with it, a lot of wrist exercises, and it got better on its own.” Things you have to overcome … imagine that. Sometimes it’s not just those annoying Golf God dudes messing with you as Wie makes it seem tournament after tournament after tournament. Paula Creamer is having an off year. And she’s still moved even further ahead of Michelle Wie. Who would have ever thought it? 
Comments:
Comment from: Stop! [Visitor]
But Wie has longer legs. That's all it matters.
2006-10-15 @ 09:22
Comment from: putt4par [Visitor]
Waa,waa,waa,blah, blah blah...
Same tune and tired old lyrics . Just rinse and repeat for more blog hits. Why not try a new dance, Chris? I'm quite sure that at this point in time, everyone who gives a shit, knows your true feelings on this tired subject. Why not try some real journalism for a change.
2006-10-15 @ 11:21
Comment from: John D [Visitor]
At least C.B. is printing the truth. Does it hurt much Putt-Putt?
2006-10-15 @ 16:37
Comment from: JR [Visitor]
What's the matter, don't like the message
so you shoot the messenger????
2006-10-15 @ 17:56
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Headlines in Wie Warrior Gazette: Michelle gets top twenty finish. Scores only 21 strokes from her first LPGA win. "I feel that my game is really good right now" Bubbles bubbled. "It's getting really close. I'm learning a lot out there." "My 234 yard driving average is proof that my game is right on."
2006-10-15 @ 18:33
Comment from: Ron Mon [Member]
· http://www.buffalogolfer.com
I'm not as concerned about Wie's scores as I am about the bizarrity that revolves around her. All these requests for rulings are a response to the Bamberger thing of a year ago, but enough is enough. Learn the rules, lassie, and stop holding up play. What is even freakier is the sideshow nature of her play. How bad a putter is this kid? How much worse will she be when she gets older? We truly are seeing the results of not putting for enough age-appropriate victories as a younger teen. She has yet to learn how to bring it home... you don't learn concentration at 15 versus Annika, you learn it at 15 versus gum-chewing Buffy Kneesocks. Too bad you can't go home again.
2006-10-15 @ 23:05
Comment from: Ghet Rheel [Visitor]
Paula is a terrific young professional golfer. It is also nice to have a player to compare with Wie at age 17. Creamer played three LPGA events at age 17. Wegman's (tied for 67th), Mt. Vintage (tied for 71st), and the U.S. Women's Open (missed the cut). It will be worthwhile to see if Michelle can meet or exceed the benchmarks set by the highly talented Paula Creamer at age 17.
2006-10-16 @ 05:30
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Ghet Rheel, When did they let you out? I hope they gave you an ample supply of your medication. Now that you've emerged from the woodwork to spin the facts and defend Bubbles, maybe you can tell us some more about what a larger-than-life icon she is, and her overwhelming popularity in the Far East.
2006-10-16 @ 07:48
Comment from: Joe Cool [Visitor]
The Michelle Wie's mantra..."I am a golf phenom...I am a golf phenom...I am a golf phenom"
2006-10-16 @ 10:43
Comment from: David [Visitor]
.. and how she managed to swing at the ball and miss it altogether.
2006-10-16 @ 11:09
Comment from: ToddCommish [Visitor]
Michelle Wie is a train wreck right now. Oh, sure she's better than any of us, but none of us were anointed as "The Future of Golf". If she is the future, the future is dim.
Her parents, her sponsors, and the media are to blame for ruining this poor kid and turning her into a quivering mess. She needs to take a year off of the professional tours and get her shit back together, learn some composure, study the rule book, dress appropriately, and graduate high school before trying to conquer golf again.
2006-10-16 @ 12:24
Comment from: Ghet Rheel [Visitor]
Again, the Creamer record as a 17 yr. old pro is:
Wegman's (tied for 67th) Mt. Vintage (tied for 71st) U.S. Women's Open (missed the cut) We're optimistic that MW will beat Creamer's mark in the coming year.
2006-10-16 @ 13:09
Comment from: Paul W [Visitor]
6 top 5 finishes in 8 tournaments and
over 700K in earnings is a train wreck? er right. You people expect anybody to take you seriously, you better at least dip your little toe in reality.
2006-10-16 @ 13:25
Comment from: JR [Visitor]
Paul...the operative phrase was, "right now".
MW had good results at the beginning of the year but "right now" she is not.
2006-10-16 @ 13:35
Comment from: Paul W [Visitor]
JR, only people with ADD look at just "right now".
2006-10-16 @ 13:57
Comment from: ToddCommish [Visitor]
Here's some questions for all of you apologists:
Is she playing better or worse than she was at the beginning of the year? And what were you all predicting for her when the season started? Did she meet those expectations? Calling this year anything but a huge disappointment is revisionist history by the Wie Warriors. They expected multiple wins, at least one major, and global domination. wheat they got was a fragile teen crumbling under pressure, spending more time getting favorable rulings from intimidated marshalls than hoisting trophies.
2006-10-16 @ 14:14
Comment from: VIsitor [Visitor]
Ghet Rheel said,
"Again, the Creamer record as a 17 yr. old pro is: Wegman's (tied for 67th) Mt. Vintage (tied for 71st) U.S. Women's Open (missed the cut)" Again, you are wrong. Paula Creamer turned 17 on August 5th, 2003. She was 16 years old in each of the tournaments that you mentioned. Try 2004 stats instead, you moron!
2006-10-16 @ 14:57
Comment from: Ghet Rheel [Visitor]
Michelle Wie has posted the best results for a 16 or 17 year old pro golfer in the 100+ year history of the pro game. If that isn't good enough for you Grinches, then there's no help for ya.
Some months of her career are better than others? Well, DUH!!!
2006-10-16 @ 15:02
Comment from: Visitor [Visitor]
Ghet Rheel said,
"Michelle Wie has posted the best results for a 16 or 17 year old pro golfer in the 100+ year history of the pro game." That's pretty good seeing as how she just turned 17 last week. Ghet Rheel, do you ever admit when you are wrong?
2006-10-16 @ 15:08
Comment from: Ghet Rheel [Visitor]
Correction noted.
Here's Creamer's record in LPGA events at age 17 - it is now clear that MW blew away Creamer's record at 16 yrs old. 3/28/04 Kraft Nabisco T-45 6/20/04 ShopRite LPGA Classic T-2 6/27/04 Wegmans Rochester LPGA 13 7/4/04 U.S. Women's Open T-13 7/11/04 Canadian Women's Open T-18
2006-10-16 @ 15:22
Comment from: One-Putt [Visitor]
According to some of the bloggers on this thread Michelle Wie's career is over and she should never play professional golf again.
Winning is everything to these amateur hacks and a successful year is measured by the number of wins no matter what their age or experience would be. Michelle's only problems right now are over coaching and over reaching for success. Every golfer goes through a period when their game slumps and they try too hard to regain their form. The best golfers in the world have faced this challenge and worked to regain their form. How about Karrie and Se Ri this year or one Eldick Woods who regained his form of 2000. It happens, so get over it already.
2006-10-16 @ 15:30
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Here come the Wie-wee's! They've come out of the doldrums to defend their sweetheart. The Wie Warrior suicide watch must be over. Let the spinning begin!
2006-10-16 @ 16:00
Comment from: Ghet Rheel [Visitor]
Lots of frantic spinning by the amateur-hack-grinches, but none of them can point to any pro tourney record by a 16 OR 17 year old that matches Michelle Wie's record so far.
2006-10-16 @ 16:24
Comment from: Chuck Schick [Visitor]
I would call Michelle's first professional year, "The good, the bad and the ugly".
The Good: Consistent high finishes during the early part of the year, including three top 5's in the the four majors. A great run for any golfer regardless of age or gender. The Bad: Her pattern of getting close in these events, but not winning and her even more alarming tendency to make shall we say questionable plays during crunch time. An alarming lack of knowledge of the rules of golf. The Ugly: Her attempts to compete against the men, which resulted in two consecutive last place finishes. It is obvious to all that she should try beating the women before she takes her undeveloped game to the next level. My advice to Michelle would be to dump Leadbetter, ditch the idea of playing with the men for now and focus on beating the women, Lorena Ochoa should be enough of a challenge for many years to come. I would also, as a Public Relations person work with her on her post round interviews, which are beginning to border on the insane. Michelle when you lose a tournament by 21 strokes, you and your game are not close, it was not bad breaks, and it is most definitely not awesome--You can admit that you are not playing well and that there is a problem with your game, people will actually like and respect you more for your honesty.
2006-10-16 @ 17:04
Comment from: Visitor [Visitor]
Chuck Schick said,
"I would also, as a Public Relations person work with her on her post round interviews, which are beginning to border on the insane. " And kudos to Lorena Ochoa for acknowledging that luck as well as good play were crucial to her defeating Annika.
2006-10-16 @ 17:20
Comment from: Visitor [Visitor]
Good. Now that we have the facts straight, I will acknowledge that MW has had the most successful year of any 16 year old in the LPGA.
However, in return, I hope you will acknowledge that it is foolish to make this type of comparison because no junior golfer has ever been given as many opportunities as MW has.
2006-10-16 @ 17:37
Comment from: stop! [Visitor]
It would do her a lot good to dump her parents instead of Leadbetter.
2006-10-16 @ 17:39
Comment from: Visitor [Visitor]
Ghet Rheel said,
"Correction noted." Good. Now that we have the facts straight, I will acknowledge that MW has had the most successful year of any 16 year old in the LPGA. However, in return, I hope you will acknowledge that it is foolish to make this type of comparison because no junior golfer has ever been given as many opportunities as MW has.
2006-10-16 @ 17:40
Comment from: ToddCommish [Visitor]
By the same token, she has committed more rules violations than any other 16-year old in LPGA history, with more hype and sponsors exemptions in LPGA history.
2006-10-16 @ 17:54
Comment from: Had_It [Visitor]
I HAVE had it. Reading these blogs is a
sorry journey through the dark side of the human soul. Yes, there are some good and reasonable people here, and on related blogs about Michelle Wie, but the main message that comes through all too loud is the pathetic need of so many to take joy in tearing apart a 16 year old super talented athlete we should all be wishing well. Michelle Wie's upbeat rendering of her performance may piss your off, but she is just trying to keep her head above water like EVERY other golfer when they play badly --- including Tiger. Paula Creamer has enough class to not want to be put in opposition to MW, so let's just stop this now. Michelle Wie's play is going downhill so rapidly that I wonder whether her confidence is already severely broken. Look folks, what we want is for her to do well, and all of the preying media and bloggers should think carefully about contributing to the undoing of anyone with this much talent, whether MW, PC, or MP, or whoever. She is in trouble, and needs good advice, the right help, and to clear her head --- because the only thing left in the way of her blowing everyone off the course is her head (see last round performances under pressure), and that is the most fragile part of the game, right? In the meantime, stop revelling in her failures. One more thing: if you respond to this with a blizzard of passive-aggressive crap thrown at me, you will have missed the point.
2006-10-16 @ 18:27
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Had-it, Pal, who died and made you boss? I don't revel in Bubbles' failures. According to her imbecile fans, she has had no failures. I find entertainment in the convoluted reasoning of her apologists, the Wie Warriors. I never expected her to make a PGA cut, qualify for the Masters and/or the US Open, or make the Ryder Cup team. Bubbles and many of her deranged acolytes confidently predicted such miracles for the earringed one. And for a barrel of laughs, nothing quite equals her TV interviews. Bubbles is fast becoming the "Baghdad Bob" of women's golf.
2006-10-16 @ 19:04
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Guys, Kick it up a notch. She's SEVENTEEN.
2006-10-16 @ 19:07
Comment from: smudge [Visitor]
Did I really read in the paper today that MW stated that "My game really wasn't as bad as I scored, I mean like well I really thought I played pretty well, you know, I kinda just got up against a few rocks a couple times...giggle...but really I think I played much better than what my score was". Holy crap, who is this chick. She just got completely embarassed by by LPGA players. The best of the LPGA showed MW that she has lightyears of improvement needed to contend on the LPGA. And none of them are out there saying "I'm going to play in the Masters when I grow up, oh and in the Ryder Cup too, that would be cool". What MW needs is a muzzle and a sense of reality. And corporate sponsors need to stop shelling out dough and ruining children who have not proven that they are worth the millions. Where is Paula Creamer's 10 million.? Hell where is Ochoa's? Ridiculous.
2006-10-16 @ 19:14
Comment from: Jim C [Visitor]
She just got completely embarassed by
LPGA players. This is true--but the she is not Michelle Wie; she is Gwlays Nocera, the LET representative. Gwladys not only finished last, behind Michelle Wie and every LPGA player in the event, she finished 12 shots behind the next to last place player.
2006-10-16 @ 19:57
Comment from: arnie [Visitor]
Michelle Wie is simply what we all knew she was, a very talented young female golfer. Nothing more and nothing less. She has simply revealed what anyone who wasn't blinded by all the hype already knew. She is not capable of competing with the men, but is capable of competing with the women (she's proven this even though she has played poorly recently.)
Hopefully, the hype will now all die down and she can go try to beat the chicks before she comes back and trys to make a cut on the men's tour. She's not there yet, physically or emotionally. She really does need to jump out of the fantasy land her handlers have created and get real. It's one thing to keep your chin up and keep a positive attitude; but it's quite another to continually make excuses or fool yourself about how you're playing. Her post round interviews are so full of crap you'd think she was an outhouse. "hehehehe, I know I'm 4 over but I think I've got a really good round in me." What would that be, a 75?
2006-10-16 @ 20:14
Comment from: JR [Visitor]
Jim C... there you go again trying to deflect
criticism of MW onto someone else. You must be a politician 'cause you do this so oftern.
2006-10-16 @ 20:19
Comment from: Paul W [Visitor]
The posters at this site are really in a wierd fantasy land. First some guy says a season with 6 top 5s is a "train wreck" now smudge says she "has lightyears of improvement needed to contend on the LPGA." What are you guys smoking? I'm sure Paula and most other players would love to have had Michelle's finishes in the majors.
I'm outta here, it might be catching.
2006-10-16 @ 20:55
Comment from: Ghet Rheel [Visitor]
"...no junior golfer has ever been given as many opportunities as MW has."
This may be the dumbest comment you've made all day. No one is GIVEN anything. The vast majority of the public recognizes MW's unique talent and her millions of fans pay PLENTY to see her play - mostly in ad revenues generated by loyal viewers. For every one of you obsessed Grinches who long to see this young woman fail, hundreds of thousands of fans cheer her on and pay her fare. We're happy to do it. You don't like it? Who cares.
2006-10-16 @ 21:07
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Ghet Rheel, That is some nice pro- spin. Not quite up to your usual standards, but the best so far since Bubbles' most recent flop. I'm sure that your posts will improve as you come out of the Wie funk. I have just one question: What is Bubbles' "unique" talent?
2006-10-16 @ 22:27
Comment from: Jim C [Visitor]
Bubbles unique talent is her ability to
get feminists to bash a girl who wants to compete against the men.
2006-10-16 @ 22:53
Comment from: Ghet Rheel [Visitor]
Wie had seven top-ten finishes at the age of sixteen... Creamer has 1 at the age of twenty. Case closed.
Has the press asked Stamminger his opinion on all this phony Wie bashing? Would love to hear his answer.
2006-10-17 @ 05:25
Comment from: Ghet Rheel [Visitor]
Make that ten top-ten finishes in MAJORS for Wie - 1 for Creamer.
2006-10-17 @ 05:27
Comment from: Ghet Rheel [Visitor]
OK, time for bed. Seven for Wie not ten. Don't want to set-off the proofreader gestapo.
2006-10-17 @ 05:31
Comment from: John D [Visitor]
Creamer LPGA Wins: 2
Wie-Wee LPGA Wins: 0
2006-10-17 @ 07:34
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
2006 Samsung: Paula Creamer 281, seven under par, 5th place,(top five). Bubbles 293 five over par, 17th place,(bottom five).
2006-10-17 @ 08:00
Comment from: Chuck Schick [Visitor]
Paula Creamer worldwide wins: 4
Michelle Wie worldwide wins: 0 Paula Creamer failed attempts vs. men: 0 Michelle Wie failed attempts vs. men: 11
2006-10-17 @ 09:30
Comment from: Ghet Rheel [Visitor]
Seven top-tens in Majors for Wie, one for Creamer. Two LPGA wins (so far) for Creamer, none (yet) for Wie. You can slice and dice the stats to your hearts content - it doesn't mean squat.
Creamer and Wie are both exceptional young pro golfers. Both will likely have outstanding careers. This hateful petty little contention exists chiefly in the shriveled cortex of Baldwin and his groupies. Hooray for Creamer! Hooray for Wie! May they both have long and productive careers! And, may Baldwin and his obedient little bitches find a life. I mean that sincerely and in the warmest and kindest way.
2006-10-17 @ 15:21
Comment from: Temper Temper [Visitor]
Ghet--For someone who is such a champion of women's golf and such a defender of young women I find it telling that you have chosen to use aterm so demeaning and insulting towards women. You have proven what anybody who reads these blogs already knew long ago--That you are a phony and hypocrite. Anybody who gets so truly upset about a teenage girl is either in need of a life or in need of a jail cell, which fits you?
2006-10-17 @ 19:08
Comment from: Ghet Rheel [Visitor]
Sock Puppet Temper:
As you may or may not understand, wod can have several distinctly different meanings. The meaning in my post was clear, but let me splell it out for you. Look to to meaning 2, c... "A man considered to be weak or contemptible." bitch n. 1. A female canine animal, especially a dog. 2. Offensive a. A woman considered to be spiteful or overbearing. b. A lewd woman. c. A man considered to be weak or contemptible. 3. Slang A complaint. 4. Slang Something very unpleasant or difficult. v. bitched, bitch·ing, bitch·es You display further confusion. I'm not "truly upset" about Michelle or any other young woman. I am, however, disgusted that little bitches like you (see definition 2, c.) think it is perfectly OK to heap abuse on teenaged girls. Eat shit and die. Please contact me if the meaning of the last sentence is in any way unclear to you.
2006-10-17 @ 20:49
Comment from: Ghet Rheel [Visitor]
Again, trying to avoid the typo police, here's the above with corrections -
Sock Puppet Temper: As you may or may not understand, words can have several distinctly different meanings. The meaning in my post was clear, but let me spell it out for you. Look to to meaning 2, c... "A man considered to be weak or contemptible." bitch n. 1. A female canine animal, especially a dog. 2. Offensive a. A woman considered to be spiteful or overbearing. b. A lewd woman. c. A man considered to be weak or contemptible. 3. Slang A complaint. 4. Slang Something very unpleasant or difficult. v. bitched, bitch·ing, bitch·es You display further confusion. I'm not "truly upset" about Michelle or any other young woman. I am, however, disgusted that little bitches like you (see definition 2, c.) think it is perfectly OK to heap abuse on teenaged girls. Eat shit and die. Please contact me if the meaning of the last sentence is in any way unclear to you. Permalink
2006-10-17 @ 20:53
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
It looks like Ghet Rheel might have to return to the mental rehabilitation institution to have his medication dosage increased.
2006-10-17 @ 21:32
Comment from: Ghet Rheel [Visitor]
Again I ask, has any reporter asked Erich Stamminger his opinion of the obvious attempt to pit adidas' female golf star (Creamer) against Nike's (Wie)?
Someone please tell Herr Alex that his Grand Wizard is calling him.
2006-10-17 @ 22:12
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Maybe Ghet SurRheel has finally gone off the deep end. Calling people "bitches" and telling them to "eat shit and die." Nice way to debate, Ghet. I tell you, that guy Ghet is about as sharp as a bowling ball. And he's all tolerance, too. Just as he preaches.
2006-10-18 @ 08:11
Comment from: John D [Visitor]
Let's see...SAMSUNG WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP, That would be the best in the world competing, corect?
Why, .... There is Wie-Wee at 17th. Hum, that is probably a fair ranking...17th.
2006-10-18 @ 13:56
Comment from: Ghet Rheel [Visitor]
Tolerance? A bigot wants tolerance? People in hell want ice water.
2006-10-18 @ 13:58
Comment from: arnie [Visitor]
Ahhh, so we finally see the crux of Ghet Rheel's argument. Anyone who rips on Wie is a bigot. The classic PC foundation of most of these Wie-bees.
Michelle Wie is just another good female golfer and it's all she'll ever be.
2006-10-18 @ 17:55
Comment from: Ghet Rheel [Visitor]
Arnie:
The comment on bigotry wasn't directed at you. But hey, if the shoe fits, wear it!
2006-10-18 @ 19:33
Comment from: Jim C [Visitor]
Ghet Rheel
The Bible says. Don't cast your pearls before swine. You know what Wie critics are like. Most Wie supporters are still supporting Wie, but not posting too often right now. Next year if Wie wins the Samsung World Championship, perhaps John D. will be saying Wie deerves the number one ranking.
2006-10-18 @ 20:13
Comment from: Ghet Rheel [Visitor]
Jim C
I agree with the school of thought that Michelle will begin to have her "A" game working at about age 22 - the same age most golf legends blossom. That gives the Grinches until the year 2011 to tell everyone that they "knew all along" that MW was a great champion. Any events MW wins between now and 2011 are icing on the cake.
2006-10-18 @ 22:39
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
The pipedreams of the Wie Warriors have taken on a long range perspective. Now Jim C, who at various times has predicted that Bubbles would this year win a major or two on the LPGA tour and would make the cut at the John Deere and WIN both the Evian and the Weetabix and finish top five at the Samsung, now projects a "what if" into the mix about the possibility of Bubbles winning NEXT YEAR'S Samsung! Talk about wishful thinking! But, just when one thinks he has heard it all, Ghet Rheel chimes in with the "coup de grace" of Wie-wee apologism. Far exceeding anything a diehard Cubs fan could conjure up, he goes way beyond "wait 'til next year." His rallying cry is now "Wait 'til 2011!" I figured that the Wie Warriors would come up with some classics, but these beat anything I've ever stuck an axe in.
2006-10-19 @ 07:39
Comment from: Chuck Schick [Visitor]
Ghet--Did you finally stop taking your estrogen pills? Maybe your testicles just now decided to descend. The man who cries everytime someone insults Michelle Wie is suddenly questioning people's masculinity, using deragatory language and challenging people to fights. What a joke! What's the matter the attorney general's office not taking your calls anymore, how about child protection services--You are a loon. Despite all the praise you have heaped upon her, Michelle is still winless and has in fact regressed with regards to her progress. She is further away now from ever winning anything then she was 2 years ago and her future seems more uncertain than ever. I know you must be frustrated, but really predicting 2011 as her breakout year is just so sad. By 2011 Michelle Wie will be serving as a blueprint for teen pheonoms gone wrong. My advice to you would be admit that Michelle has been overhyped, acknowledge that her critics have been right along about the path she has chosen being ill-suited for her development and don't threaten people on this site it does not become you, stick to citing obscure stats, hollow legal threats and embrace the pantywaist we all know you to be.
2006-10-19 @ 09:29
Comment from: Ghet Rheel [Visitor]
Please understand that when I call you Grinches "bitches" it does not question your gender. I mean to say that each of you are, "a man considered to be weak or contemptible" Please see definition 2,c above. Hope that helps.
Unlike your predictions for MW, my 2011 call is based on the long history of the game of golf. Palmer, Nicklaus, Woods, Jones, Hogan, Nelson, etc. and etc., first achieved their "A" game form at about age 21 to 22. I ask you. What pro golfer since 1900 achieved their top form at age 16 or 17? "…challenging people to fights"? What nonsense. Never happened. You Grinches verbally attack every person who posts anything positive about Michelle. It is a long established pattern. If someone tosses an occasional insult back at you, then you come unraveled. Pathetic, but predictable. Juvenile law is quite different from other forms. If you are relying on the geriatric-junior-partner for your legal protection against verbal abuse that could be construed as damaging to a child, ask him for a letter of indemnification... and good luck. By the way, the "anonymous veil" of the internet is imaginary. With some elementary hacking, a good forensic computer tech can identify you in six to eight seconds max. Have a great day.
2006-10-19 @ 13:53
Comment from: arnie [Visitor]
Gheet what you fail to understand is that us 'Wie haters' are not haters at all. We just weren't fooled by all the hype. Michelle Wie is very likely going to be a great female golfer. But that's it. Another good chick golfer. The reality is that if that's all she is, then nobody cares. And don't think her handlers don't know this. That's why they have chosen the path they have. It's all about the money baby. They understand that once people realized that Michelle was just a good female golfer, nobody would care and her marketability would be limited. But, create all this hype about Michelle being the second coming, gonna dominate the women at 16 and take on the men, and all the sudden you have interest and big $. They've played the media to a t, monetized their daughter and can now laugh all the way to the bank.
Of course, as soon as the novelty wears off and the hype recedes, she'll be just another good chick golfer and nobody will care anymore. But she will be very rich. So as a fan not blinded by the hype, please understand if we don't drop to our knees and bow at the mention of her as you Wie Warriors do. Really, does anyone even watch women's golf?
2006-10-19 @ 15:17
Comment from: One-Putt [Visitor]
Ghett, you haven't got it yet. Alex, Ford and the rest of their compatriots float out their visceral ramblings in an effort to elicit responses such as yours from their inane diatribe.
By lending credence to these neanderthals you propagate their entertainment. Michelle had a very fine first year as a professional golfer with some bad outings at the beginning and end. Five top fives in a row with three of them coming in a LPGA major is a remarkable feat for a golfer of any age and unheard of for a sixteen year old. I once asked the opposition to name one other player who had accomplished this feat as a professional golfer and their keyboards fell silent. Wie supporters put forth facts or statistics and they put forth venomous attacks on a teenager. They are void of any class wouldn't you say Ghett?
2006-10-19 @ 15:36
Comment from: Ghet Rheel [Visitor]
One-Putt The word dim-witted comes to mind in describing the Grinches. They show a hack's grasp of the game. To believe that a 16 or 17 year old will not vastly improve his or her game is pathetically naive. Further, for Baldwin to say that Creamer is in a slump shows his ignorance of the game. Creamer will also gain momentum in the next few years. Baldwin should stick to pimping golf course condos - he may actually know something about that. Baldwin actually predicted that Michelle will never win an LPGA event! What a fool. Oh, One-Putt, I think "Ford" wants to be called "Arnie" of "Chuck Schick" now... something like that. CS does make one good point - dump Ledbetter. Hank Haney is the top swing coach now.
2006-10-19 @ 16:13
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
One-Putt, If there is anything such as internet fellatio, you have performed it.
2006-10-19 @ 19:25
Comment from: Ghet Rheel [Visitor]
One-Putt
They seem to become more and more obtuse when pressed for facts.
2006-10-19 @ 23:37
Comment from: Temper Temper [Visitor]
Here's a fact for you Ghet: Michelle wie is winless in 35 LPGA starts and has yet to make a cut on the PGA tour.
This wouldn't be a problem if she were not the recipient of a worldwide marketing/ad/media campaign billing her as someone who would easily dominate the women's game and contend against men. I have seen many a "Wie Grinch" acknowledge that she posseses a world of talent and potential, but have yet to see a "Wie Fanatic" admit that her game and development have been greatly exagerated.
2006-10-20 @ 00:10
Comment from: Temper Temper [Visitor]
Please don't sick child protection services or your army of forensic computer techs on me for my abusive use of the word "winless".
2006-10-20 @ 00:13
Comment from: Ghet Rheel [Visitor]
Michelle is doing GREAT for someone who turned 17 a week or so ago. Not so-so, not pretty good, not above average, but BETTER THAN ANY GOLFER HER AGE IN THE HISTORY OF THE GAME!!! Pea-brained Grinches can't grasp that. I once thought they were naive. I'm becoming convinced that they actually are THAT STUPID. Truly amazing.
Grinches can't name any pro golfers who hit their stride before 21 or 22. Grinches can't name any pro golfer in the history of the game with a better record than Wie at age 16 or 17. To the Grinches, not winning at age 16 somehow equates with failure. I repeat, they're dim-witted. I know it drives them crazy, but for any reasonable person, Michelle has at least until 2011 to roll out her "A" game. You know, like every other great pro golfer in the history of the game. One thing puzzles me. Who benefits from the Grinches' constant abuse of golf's brightest rising star? Apart from Adidas, of course.
2006-10-20 @ 02:27
Comment from: One-Putt [Visitor]
"Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
One-Putt, If there is anything such as internet fellatio, you have performed it." Perhaps Alex.... now that you have achieved self gratification through my innocuous posting, you will be able to type with both hands.
2006-10-20 @ 04:17
Comment from: Ghet Rheel [Visitor]
One-Putt
Judging by the absurd tenor of Alex's comments, he has been, and always will be, a one-handed typist.
2006-10-20 @ 05:08
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
When will you Wie Warriors start referring to Bubbles' age as seventeen, not sixteen or seventeen? And Ghet Rheel, your mentioning Bubbles' name in the same sentence with Nicklaus, Woods, Hogan, and Nelson is sacrilegious, and might even be actionable.
2006-10-20 @ 08:04
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Perhaps the biggest myth surrounding the career of Bubbles are those phantom 300+ yard drives that end up straight down the middle. I've only seen her play once in person; at the 2005 men's amateur in Lebanon, Ohio. Ohio. My wife was anxious to see some of those 300 yarders. In twelve holes of stroke play in which she did succeed on qualifying, she was consistently outdriven by her playing partners, all verifiable amateurs. In her final match, in which she was trounced 5 and 4, her opponent Clay Ogden must have outdriven her by an average of 30 to 50 yards. Needless to say, my wife was very disappointed in Bubbles' ability off the tee. In the recent Samsung, MW was very close to the bottom in driving distance. and absolutely LAST in driving accuracy. Along with her shaky putting, her game needs a lot of work to be a first tier performer on the LPGA tour. As for Bubbles being competitive with the men as several Wie Warriors used to confidently predict, that will never happen in the lifetime of the youngest child on this planet.
2006-10-20 @ 08:27
Comment from: Shanks [Member]
· http://www.travelgolf.com/blogs/shanks
Wie is one of the longest drivers of all female golfers. But compared to men, amateur or otherwise, she's maybe close to average. Where she really loses ground to the mean is on raw strength, for coming out of the rough. She gains a lot of her distance from her big stature combined with excellent technique.
2006-10-20 @ 11:48
Comment from: Ghet Rheel [Visitor]
Grinches - learn your elementary golf history before you spout off. What pro golfer in the history of golf has achieved their "A" game prior to age 21 or 22? Nicklaus, Palmer, Miller, Trevino, Jones, Woods, Nelson, Norman, Singh, Watson, Kite, Snead, etc, etc, etc. did not, and Wie (or Creamer) can not be expected to either.
In addition to the complexities of the full swing and other strokes, there is far too much depth of knowledge (course knowledge, course management, composure, etc.) to be mastered before about the age of 22. Grinches - Try to be patient. You must wait until Oct of 2011 before your Grinch rantings have any shred of validity in light of the history of the game.
2006-10-20 @ 13:44
Comment from: One-Putt [Visitor]
Shanks it is amazing that Michelle has done as well as she has this year with the inferior equipment she carries in her bag. Nike might make good sneakers with child labor in Asia, but playing with their drivers is like swinging a brick tied to a rope.
Don't take my word for it, just check out her driving stats when she carried a TaylorMade driver in her bag. On the LPGA tour there might be a handful of women who still play forged blade irons. Why play irons that have a sweetspot the size of a dime when you can play irons with a sweetspot the size of a half dollar? A misshit with a forged iron is quite ugly, while one with a cavity back is either short or long and somewhere near the green. The only reason to play forged would be when you hit it "perfect" they outdistance other irons. Distance is really not much of a factor on LPGA courses. Tiger overcame his inferior driver with brute strength and creativity developed over the years. It just wouldn't be fair to the tour if he dropped an R7 in his bag. Maybe Michelle could paint the bottom of a R7 yellow and drop one in her bag to improve her accuracy and confidence off the tee?
2006-10-20 @ 14:35
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Ghet SurRheel, When you name the string of golfing immortals into which you'd like to involve Bubbles, it is noted that all those mentioned are male golfers. In case you haven't noticed, Bubbles is of the opposite sex. To draw comparisons between the careers of established PGA stars and a winless seventeen year old female is laughable. But I'm sure that you already know this.
2006-10-20 @ 18:53
Comment from: Ghet Rheel [Visitor]
Alex is confused... hard to argue with that. Two things are clear to the rest of the world:
1. Pro golfers begin to achieve their "A" game at age 22 or so, not 16 or 17. No pro golfer in the history of the game has matched Michelle's record at age 16 or 17.
2006-10-20 @ 19:38
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Shanks, Are you quite sure about Bubbles alleged length off the tee? In the recent Samsung, she was 15th of 20 golfers in driving length. Sophie Gustafson averaged almost 30 yards per drive more than Bubbles. Lorena, Annika, Hurst and Lincicome averaged close to 20 yards better than MW. As far as driving accuracy was concerned at the Samsung, it was no contest. Bubbles was dead last in that department. The Gifted One hit only 36 fairways, while the rest of the field hit an average of more than 45, with Pak, Webb, Creamer and Lee hitting 50 each. Did her driving length and accuracy simply desert her?
2006-10-21 @ 07:57
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Ghet SurRheel, You fashion yourself as a big man with statistics. Tell me, how many professional golfers have there been of either sex at age 16? Okay, 16 or 17? If you can think of any, how many sponsors' exemptions did they receive in order to compile their tournament records? This should be interesting.
2006-10-21 @ 08:04
Comment from: Ghet Rheel [Visitor]
Until Wie finds her "A" game at age 22 or so, no one but ignorant hacks will have the gall to pass judgment on her ultimate abilities. In the mean time, normal people will relax and enjoy the opportunity to watch a gifted young golfer develop her game. By the year 2011 we'll all begin to see how good MW may become.
Baldwin and his pathetic bitches (see definition 2 c. above) will continue to try to convince themselves that they alone have all the answers about the game of golf. Yeah, right. Relax, 2011 will roll around soon enough.
2006-10-21 @ 16:22
Comment from: Jim C [Visitor]
Current LPGA leading rookie Seon Hwa Lee
turned pro at 14 in Korea. Nike has other irons besides the ones Wie is using--and indeed, on the internet they seem to be trying to get rid of the forged blade irons, at a special sale price they won't tell you until you add it to the cart. The fact that Michelle has been using clubs that are obviously the wrong clubs for her on the LPGA with a view to developing her ability to be able to compete on the PGA down the road is something that should convince people that she has been serious about trying to compete against the men at the highest level. But perhaps now is the time to sacrifice a little length and use some of the other clubs in the Nike line.
2006-10-21 @ 17:01
Comment from: One-Putt [Visitor]
Jim C Nike carries fifteen players on their payroll and only Woods, Casey and Wie play Nike blades. Most of the other players use the Nike Pro Combo (cavity back) irons with the exception of two players (Sabbatini and Park) who use Nike NDS (cavity back) irons.
Maybe it is time for Michelle to join the majority and win some tournaments. It did surprise me when I also discovered many of these players drop an R7 in their bag for a driver. No Sasquatch sightings in their bags. They left the brick on a rope at home.
2006-10-21 @ 22:55
Comment from: One-Putt [Visitor]
"Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Ghet SurRheel, You fashion yourself as a big man with statistics. Tell me, how many professional golfers have there been of either sex at age 16? Okay, 16 or 17? If you can think of any, how many sponsors' exemptions did they receive in order to compile their tournament records? This should be interesting." So who is twisting the arms of tournamernt selection officials to offer an exemption in the first place Alex? I believe Michelle received at least three other offers for an exemption over the season and maybe more we didn't hear about. Do the tournaments have anything to gain by offering an exemption to Michelle over a PGA or LPGA bottom feeder? Alex....the Don Quijote of Golf Blogs everywhere.
2006-10-22 @ 04:02
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
No definite answers as usual from the Wie-nuts. One-Putt dances around by asking his own questions in reply to mine. Nothing unusual there. But Ghet SurRheel tosses out the clincher. He says, apparently with a straight face, "By the year 2011, we will all BEGIN to see how good Bubbles MAY become." Way to go, Ghet! No equivocation there! Do any of you Wie Warriors believe that there are any teen or pre-teen girls anywhere on the face of the earth who might arise in the golfing world to pose a challenge to Bubbles? Or, when that magical month of October 2011 rolls around will Bubbles have so dominated the Women's golfing scene that no others will be even close? Will Lorena and all the young Korean ladies who have won tournaments be so discouraged by Bubbles' roaring string of triumphs as to be disheartened and quit the game? What else does the year 2011 hold in store?
2006-10-22 @ 09:07
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Jennifer Mario thought she might have a bestseller with "Michelle Wie: The Making of a Champion." Ghet SurRheel should write his own blockbuster on the life and career of Bubbles. My suggestion for a title might be "2011, a Space Cadet Odyssey."
2006-10-22 @ 11:26
Comment from: One-Putt [Visitor]
Morgan Pressel played in eight events in 2005 on exemptions before she turned PRO in 2006 as a seventeen year old. She finished ahead of Wie in one event during 2005.
Morgan Pressel: 22 professional starts with no victories. Number of times Pressel has finished ahead of Wie when in the same field as a professional: Zero Pressel's earnings as a professional: $451,685 while averaging $20,351 per event, placing her at 22nd on the LPGA/ADT money list. Top tens in LPGA Majors as a professional: Zero.
2006-10-22 @ 14:51
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
One-Putt, Those are some nice stats and I might be tempted to pay them some attention. But your compatriot and idol, Ghet SurRheel has stated emphatically that stats don't mean squat. Also, Ghet was comparing the careers of Bubbles with a whole string of male golf immortals, NONE of whom were ever a pro at age 16 or 17.
2006-10-22 @ 15:10
Comment from: Ghet Rheel [Visitor]
The age, on average, for a pro golfer to FIRST win "Player of the Year" honors is 28. 22 years of age is soon enough for a pro golfer to BEGIN to show their "A" game.
The Grinches pretend to "sound the gong" on MW at age 17. Silly bitches.
2006-10-22 @ 16:45
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
When Ghet SurRheel refers to peopke he doesn't know as "bitches", he must be thinking of some of his female relatives. Or perhaps his male relatives.
2006-10-22 @ 20:02
Comment from: Ghet Rheel [Visitor]
Bitch - definition 2 c.:
"A man considered to be weak or contemptible." Any "man" who would openly and publicly harass a teenaged girl is, by all counts, both "weak" and "contemptible". The shoe fits you, Grinches... and you're wearing it.
2006-10-22 @ 23:50
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Ghet SurRheel, You're a real tough guy. I hope I never meet you face to face. You'll probably get so angry that you'll hit me with your purse.
2006-10-23 @ 07:58
Comment from: Ghet Rheel [Visitor]
Grinches:
An Associated Press story has estimated MW's earnings as a 16 year old at 20 million (up from a previous estimate of 10). Isn't it time for one of those heartfelt Grinch lectures on the evils of "filthy lucre"? Or maybe the one on how her dad is "doin'r wrong"? Talk's cheap. But those few who "put their money where their mouth is" seem to think that a business association with MW is a wise investment. We'll all see by the year 2011 or so.
2006-10-23 @ 15:19
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Ghet Rheel, You were a lot more fun when you were raving about the "Vast Anti-Wie Astroturf Conspiracy." Your ignorance of business and finance, along with the raising and nurturing of children is abysmal.
2006-10-24 @ 08:08
Comment from: Ghet Rheel [Visitor]
Gee, I hope Michelle, Bo and B.J. are somehow able to eek out a living without the sage "business and finance" acumen of the Grinches. B.J. and Bo have certainly managed to raise a terrific young woman in Michelle. Well spoken, bright, and accomplished... all the things that Grinches can't abide.
I love the way the Grinches criticize MW's interviews. They show a complete void in knowledge of sports psychology. These hacks probably beat themselves up endlessly for every little mistake they make on the course... they think pros should do the same... talk about clueless! I wonder if it ever occurred to the Grinches that Michelle knows a hell of a lot more about her game than they do. On second thought, I'm certain that never occurred to them.
2006-10-24 @ 08:46
Comment from: Livestrong [Visitor]
"Well Spoken" Michelle Wie is a lot of things, well spoken is not like, ya know, one of them.
You are quick to point out the ignorance of those who disagree with your point of view regarding Michelle Wie, but you show your complete lack of impartiality everytime you make these fawning statements. The truth is that the true level of Michelle Wie's accomplishments and game fall somewhere in-between the "Grinches" and the "Fanatics". Michelle's career has been far from a failure to this point, but she is not as she was billed either. Those who say that she will dominate the LPGA tour and contend on the PGA tour are delusional, as are those that think that she will never win anything and be a huge bust.
2006-10-24 @ 12:27
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Livestrong, You are right on the mark with your comments. They won't assuage Ghet's petulance but what would? For the record, I never implied that Bubbles would never win anything. I think she could even compete with men. Not the PGA, the Nationwide, the European, the Asian, the Japan, or the Hooters' tours. I have something in mind like the Wednesday afternoon Outer Mongolian yak and musk ox herders league. She could be a force on that circuit.
2006-10-24 @ 15:00
Comment from: Ghet Rheel [Visitor]
Wie is indeed, well-spoken... and in four languages for that matter. Only a junior high school English teacher with a stick up his butt would object to a teen saying "you know" or "like". She connects with her generation. Next time you're in front of scores of TV cameras from the international press (knowing every word you say will be scrutinized), tell me your not tossing a few "ums"and "you knows" in there to give you a little extra time to consider your words. If not, you're a damned fool.
Further, MW focuses on the positives of her game. Smart girl. Only hacks carry around all their errors for everlasting self-flagellation. Mickelson stewed in his blunders for a while this summer. How'd it work for him? Hundreds of amateurs over the years have gotten exemptions for LPGA events. None have come close to Wie's success at ages 13, 14, 15, or 16. By the way, Woods made his first PGA cut at age 19. That gives MW about three seasons to meet that mark. Adult Grinches jealous of the fame of a teenaged girl... how very weak and contemptible.
2006-10-24 @ 17:40
Comment from: Visitor [Visitor]
Ghet Rheel said,
"By the way, Woods made his first PGA cut at age 19. That gives MW about three seasons to meet that mark." GR....You love to repeat that comparison to Tiger, don't you? Fine, I will give you that. Tiger didn't make his first cut until he was 19 years and a little over 3 months old, that gives MW two years and a few months to make her first PGA cut and be the "next" Tiger Woods. What you fail to mention though, is that Tiger made his first cut at the Masters. He then followed it up with two PGA tour wins at the age of 20 to go along with 7 top 10 finishes (out of 13 tries). Oh, and by the way, he then won the Masters at the age of 21. In order to match Tiger, MW only has 2 more tries to make the cut at the Masters before she is too old, and she only has less than 4 more years to secure her first PGA tour victory. So....just how far are you willing to go out on a limb with your Tiger Woods comparisons?
2006-10-24 @ 20:18
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Ghet SurRheel, Tell us, how do you do it? I mean this never ending supply of apologetic Wie brown- nosing? Keep it up. Your b--ls--t is the best entertainment on the internet.
2006-10-24 @ 20:24
Comment from: Ghet Rheel [Visitor]
Age for first PGA or LPGA wins:
Hogan - 27 Snead - 25 Woods - 20 Sorenstam - 24 Average age - 24 Wie will turn 24 in 2013. That's about seven years from now. Shall I listen to a few sad little Grinches and dismiss MW at age 17 (never mind 7 top ten’s in Majors)? Or shall I take notice of the track record of the world's greatest golfers and enjoy watching Wie's ascent in the next seven years or so? Think I'll keep my money on Wie. Let's see if the Grinch's can actually see the future as they constantly claim. Grinches - Who will play in the upcoming SuperBowl? What will the score be? Who will win? Who's the MVP? Crystal ball in the shop for repairs? Thought so.
2006-10-24 @ 23:08
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Ghet's latest year for the Bubbles' breakout has just been upped to 2013. Ghet, you should take your act on the road. This is too funny.
2006-10-25 @ 19:31
Comment from: Visitor [Visitor]
Ghet Rheel said,
"Wie will turn 24 in 2013." GR......It's really hard to make a point when no one is able to keep you on topic. First, you made a MW vs Tiger Woods comparison, then while defending yourself, you bring up Sam Snead, Ben Hogan, and Annika Sorenstam. If you have an argument to make, then make it, and stick to it. Or admit when you are wrong. As you love to point out, MW has had a more successful junior career in the pro ranks than any other junior golfer. DUH! Even Tiger only played in 4 PGA events prior to turning 18 and he didn't play in his first event until after he turned 17. You simply cannot repeatedly defend MW's unique path to the professional ranks, that no one else has ever taken, while at the same time, using those unique results to diefy Michelle Wie. Tiger never played on the PGA tour at the age of 16. Just because MW has, does not make her a better golfer. You take Michelle Wie. I will take Tiger any day, anytime, anywhere. The only thing they have in common...is Nike sponsorship.
2006-10-25 @ 19:39
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Visitor, You've got some nerve making sense like that! Ghet SurRheel will next accuse you of being part of the "Vast Anti-Wie Conspiracy." AKA "astroturf."
2006-10-25 @ 21:17
Comment from: Ghet Rheel [Visitor]
Confused Grinches again. Common problem around here.
Like most Wie fans, I'm a big Woods fan, too. Also a fan of Sorenstam, Pak, Creamer, Love, Wier, and many others. See no need to pick only one, but if that's what floats yer boat, go for it! When will Wie develop her mature "A" game? You'd have to be a moron to think at age 15, 16, 17, or 18. Nearly all good pros begin to find their game at about 22. For MW that would be in the year 2011. The age for a first pro win for legends like Hogan, Woods, Snead, and Sorenstam averages to 24 years old. That would be 2013. So between 2011 and 2013 would be reasonable (unless your brain is pickled). You Griches can't have it both ways. You claim she can't hold a candle to the legends mentioned above (avg. age of first win, 24). Yet you presume to claim that she somehow does not deserve to have until age 22 to 24 to polish and perfect her skills. I'm curious... about what time do you Grinches usually get stinkin' drunk? Maybe try posting in the morning... after the hangover goes away and before the shakes hit you. Love ya. Mean it.
2006-10-25 @ 23:00
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Visitor, As you can see, our friend Ghet Rheel majored in his eight years in highschool in the overuse of the non sequitur. Even his pal, One-Putt seems to have distanced himself from Ghet's diatribes, which become more bizarre with the passage of time. But the best, or perhaps the most disturbing part, is that old Ghet really thinks that he makes sense. At times he is entertaining, but of late he has become pitiable.
2006-10-26 @ 08:10
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Ghet SurRheel, You are the undisputed master of the non-sequitur. You have my congratulations. You have retired the trophy. Now please return to your room with the rubber wallpaper.
2006-10-26 @ 08:15
Comment from: Ghet Rheel [Visitor]
Must have struck a nerve with the booze joke. Oh well.
Simple logic also seems to distress the Grinches. If the average age for a golf legend's first pro win is 24, shouldn't Michelle have until age 24 to develop her "A" game? Do the third-grade math boys, its not that complicated.
2006-10-26 @ 08:59
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Ghet SurRheel, It would appear that you never got beyond third-grade arithmetic. I thought that it was your opinion that stats didn't mean squat. But then again,that was LAST week.
2006-10-26 @ 14:00
Comment from: Ghet Rheel [Visitor]
Looks like the Grinches are quoting their own manufactured bullcrap again. Please identify the passage and datestamp where I said that "stats don't mean squat" (not the passage where you CLAIM that I said it). Pure Grinch fabricated nonsense. As usual.
Again, I ask, if golfing legends have an average age of 24 for their first win, shouldn't we wait 'til Michelle is 24 before we PRESUME to judge what her "A" game may be? Makes sense, doesn't it?
2006-10-26 @ 15:40
Comment from: Ghet Rheel [Visitor]
CAN'T GET IT UP?
MichellWie.com is STILL "under construction". Ken Sunshine and William Morris are again asleep at the wheel. SONY, Nike, B.J. - better light a fire under these guys. Much of MW's internet image is being defined by Grinches. No functioning website after a full year of representation? Sounds like grounds to break a contract to me.
2006-10-26 @ 19:20
Comment from: Livestrong [Visitor]
Just like the real thing MichelleWie.com is still under construction.
Ghet Cut them a little slack it's hard to fill a website with content that just doesn't exist. There are only so many glamour shot photos of Michelle and her "sparkly" watch. I would be willing to bet that they have the career wins section taken care of: Age 11 Jennie K. Wilson title, age 13 USGA Women's Public Links title...that didn't take long.
2006-10-27 @ 08:55
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Ghet SurRheel, On Oct 17, 2006 at 15:21, on this very same thread, you began one of you rants with this statement: "Seven top-tens in Majors for Wie, one for Creamer. Two LPGA wins(so far) for Creamer, none(yet) for Wie. You can slice and dice the stats to your hearts content-it DOESN'T MEAN SQUAT. Ghet, what type of music do you desire for accompaniment as you try to dance around this one?
2006-10-27 @ 13:24
Comment from: Ghet Rheel [Visitor]
Read it again. The stats speak for themselves. I have great respect for uncontaminated stats. Your SPIN (i.e. SLICING and DICING) doesn't mean squat.
2006-10-27 @ 13:45
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Ghet SurRheel, If that's the best you can do, you must be running out of material. You were more fun when you were threatening legal action against Bubbles' critics. Your "Astroturf" fantasies were also a barrel of laughs. If you want to keep your ranking as the number one crackpot on this site, you had better get with it.
2006-10-27 @ 14:04
Comment from: Ghet Rheel [Visitor]
Nearly everyone is on to the Grinch's game by now. Here's a recap of how they operate:
1. Set HUGELY unrealistically high benchmarks for teenaged girls and then brutally castigate them when they don't meet said marks. 2. Stake out a never-ending presence on blogs like these, and verbally abuse any supporter of the targeted teen. One wonders why. However, the fact remains that REAL BENCHMARKS set by the all-time golf legends are the only ones that matter. If Michelle gats her "A" game cooking by age 24 she'll be in perfect unison with most golf legends. Anything she accomplishes prior to age 24 is icing on the cake. Michelle, these clowns will always be around. Learn to tune them out. They're just a fact of life... like cockroaches, rats, mosquitos, etc. If you win 3 Majors in one year they'll scream that you've failed because you didn't win four. They are blathering idiots. Let others deal with them. You ignore them as best you can. You are paying a PR firm and an agent big bucks. It doesn't hurt to have your dad give them a kick in the butt once in a while.
2006-10-27 @ 14:43
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Ghet SurRheel, That was slightly better but still weak. You are definitely losing your touch. You probably could use some lengthy R&R.
2006-10-27 @ 20:20
Comment from: Ghet Rheel [Visitor]
Top 5 finishes in Majors 04, 05, 06 combined:
Sorenstam - 7 Wie - 6 Kerr - 5 Inkster - 4 Ochoa - 4 Webb - 3 Pak - 2 Creamer - 1 Lincicome - 1 Pressel - 1 Wie all washed up? Are you Grinches insane? No, really, that's a serious question. Are ya? Hey, insane would be better than stupid.
2006-10-28 @ 14:51
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Ghet SurRheel, I thought that you said slicing and dicing stats didn't mean squat? That was cherry picking and mincing at their best(or is it worst?)in your last post. Whoever said that Bubbles is all washed up? To be in the "all washed up" category, a golfer would have first had to have a successful career. No junior titles, no amateur titles. no LPGA titles, and no Nationwide, European, and PGA cuts made does not evolve into a successful career. Oh, I forgot! The rallying cry of the Wie Warriors is now "Wait until 2013."
2006-10-28 @ 16:28
Comment from: Jim C [Visitor]
Michelle Wie did win 7 of 9 junior Oahu
tournaments at age 9. She did win the national WAPL at 13, and this past year she did win her Local Qualifier for the US Open against the men. Alex must not think much of men's golf in America if he considers a typical American girl's Junior Tournament to be more competitive than a Local US Open Qualifier.
2006-10-28 @ 17:19
Comment from: Ghet Rheel [Visitor]
Top-five's in Majors is about as solid a stat as you can get. Anyone who doesn't understand the significance of that stat has no knowledge of the game of golf. 6 top-fives before age 17 is record-breaking by any standard. The average age for a first win by the all-time golfing greats is 24. Only a self-deluded moron would pan Wie's prospects before 2013.
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