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Let's be honest Chris. You like Creamer for one reason and one reason alone, her body.

She has the best butt in womens sports and probably close to the best legs as well.

Making up stories about admiring her integrity and that kind of thing is just trying to cover over the truth.

She might not have the best looking face but her body, more than makes up for it.

So Chris, if it makes you feel better, make up story about admiring her athletisism, but most people will know you just want to sleep with her and that's what it's about.

By the way Chris, there is nothing wrong with wanting to sleep with her, she is 20 years old, and if she lets you in the sack with her, good luck and fair play to you on that.

Chris,

One slight correction. It would be more accurate to say that Paula is infinitely beter than Chubby Bubbles. It's basic math that fives times nothing is still nothing.

I get a big charge out of reading the posts in answer to your blog of July 24, 2005. Most of Bubbles' defenders then seem to have given up on her. However, we still have June, who has retrogressed from his former incoherent posts to the one-letter nonsense that he posted here.

On the blog that is censored, a new and daffier Wie Warrior with the handle of Vale came up with the answer for Bubbles' woes of late.

According to this genius,all she needs to do is take five or six strokes per round off her score by improving her putting, and start hitting 300 yard drives down the middle of the fairway instead of the "ruff"(sic).

Where else can a Wie skeptic get that sort of entertainment?

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Stanley,

You really should stop that self-abuse. An old wives' tale used to say it could make you go blind.

What idiots like Alex don't realise is that Paula Creamer is 20 years old. She got her first victory at 18 years and 9 months old.

If Michelle Wie gets a victory before the age of 18 years and 9 months, she will have proved better than Creamer by that age.

In fact, Wie's far better performance than Creamer in the majors has gone a long way to proving that already.

The majors are where the real golf is played. Just ask Tiger, Phil, Annika or Karrie.
As of yet, Creamer has not performed in the majors.

More rationalizing of Bubbles' flops by another Brit genius, Johnny N.

To these Wie-wee's, Bubbles will be the greatest if she NEVER wins a professional tournament , or if she never plays another round due to her never-ending "injuries."

Alex,
Paula had a wrist injury for a large part of the 2006 season, Wie's injury is fairly recent and is unlikely to last as long as Paula's did.

RESULTS IN MAJORS:
Up to the end of 2006, Michelle played 10 majors, Paula played 9 majors.

The results of those majors:

Michelle Wie:
2nd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 9th, 13th, 14th, 23rd, 26th, 39th.

Paula Creamer:
3rd, 13th, 15th, 16th, 19th, 19th, 22nd, 24th, 45th, 49th, missed cut.

Paula Creamer has not contended for a single major. In the major where she came 3rd, Michelle Wie was 2nd in that event, and Annika was an easy winner. Apart from that, Paula's results have been good, but far less good than those of Michelle Wie.




Majors are what is important. While Paula has not learned how to compete on that stage, she will just be another good player, unlike Michelle Wie who is an outstanding major performer.

Well, there you have it folks, more words of wisdom by that great somnambulist, Johnny N.

Paula Creamer, who just won another tournament a few days ago to go with her two other LPGA wins and two victories in Japan is nothing more than a fair-to-middling journeyman golfer. BUT, Bubbles , who has never won anything, is "an outstanding major performer."

Keep it up, Johnny N, it doesn't get any better than this. The entertainment value of these threads is priceless.

Alex,
If that were true, you would be in trouble long ago.

By the way, it is surprising that there was barely any gallery out to watch Paula Creamer. There was about 100 spectators there. There was about 300 marshals marshalling the 100 spectators which looked very funny.

It goes to show that if Wie isn't in a tournament, the lpga are in trouble. They should let her play more tournaments, because the majority of spectators rather looking at Wie for some reason.

Admit it, if Wie were there, there would have been thousands at it. Why don't the people recognise what a good body Paula Creamer has.

Alex,

Are you denying that Michelle is an outstanding major performer?
Please clarify.

Also, are you denying that Michelle is a far better major performer than Paula Creamer?
Please clarity.

June, Stanley and Johnny N all belong together ZZZZZZZZZZZZ winning means nothing.....ha

Winning is the measure of a golfer not how close in any tournament, Major or otherwise. The LPGA is in great condition and does not to be waiting around for another failure by MW. Clearly Paula has been more successful. Let MW start winning then and then maybe there can be a competition.

Johnny N,

You've got more nerve than the guy who ate the first oyster.

You bend yourself into a pretzel with your convoluted and illogical conclusions to convince yourself and others of the correctness of your unsustainable positions, and then you have the gall to ask other to clarify what should be obvious to anybody with the brains that God gave a goose.

Johnny N,

I don't know why I am bothering to tell you this; I guess it's because hope springs eternal.

In medal play, the golfers are competing against the course, NOT against any particular other player.

The object is to WIN the tournament. I repeat, to WIN.

Paula has WON several times as a pro,her latest WIN as a pro coming only two days ago. Bubbles HAS NOT WON as a pro, or as an amateur in a pro tournament.

These are the facts and all the consulting of dreambooks and ouija boards won't change them.

But keep on trying. We Wie skeptics can always use a few laughs.

Alex,

You are really a piece of work; did the girls pick on you in the playground or something?

It’s not nice to twist someone else’s comments around so you can take another one of your childish shots at Michelle.

I was making reference to Michelle’s consistently high level of play and that “if” she could manage to learn how to use her putter and “if” she could learn how to put her drives into the fairway, she could end up winning instead of just finishing near the top.

But not wanting sound as if I were another Wie bashing idiot, I simply stated in more of a manner of fact form, like:

“Just imagine what she might be able to do on the LPGA even if her tee to green game never improves, but figures out how to knock off five or six strokes per round putting. Couple that with the potential of a 300 plus yard drive that actually lands in the fairway instead of the ruff.”

Now everyone knows she is far from the best putter in golf and her drives landing anywhere but in the fairway is legendary. That only leaves her iron game, which must be spectacular to make up for the rest of her shortcomings.

So why is it so hard to imagine that if Michelle can figure out how to fix these two areas of her game that she
can’t start winning instead of just finishing near the top?

Am I wrong about the putting problem or driving accuracy or is it that she is still making all the money that seems to drive you insane. Have you nothing better to do but hop from one web blog to another taking cheap shots at a teenage millionaire.

I just stumbled across this blog and there you are again, how many sites do you spill your hatred at?

Comment by Joe R:
The LPGA is in great condition and does not to be waiting around for another failure by MW.
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If the lpga were in such great condition, then why were there only about 100 spectators watching Paula come down the stretch.

Her and Morgan Pressel, two of the most hyped names in the lpga tour were in the last group along with the reigning British Womens Open champion, yet people didn't bother watching them.

At the prize ceremony to Paula Creamer, the applause was like there were about 10 people clapping. Perhaps Paula's parents, her caddy and a few sponsors.

The lpga tour is not in great shape by any means.

If you watched Michelle Wie in any 2006 lpga event she played the crowds were huge, and not just for the majors.

Michelle and to a lesser extent Annika are the ones who draw the crowds to lpga events. Even Natalie Gulbis micro-mini skirt wasn't enough to bring the fans to the event.

Alex said:
One slight correction. It would be more accurate to say that Paula is infinitely beter than Chubby Bubbles. It's basic math that fives times nothing is still nothing.
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Alex, that is a well thought out comment. Most uncharacteristic, but actually coming up with a point is good progress.

Hopefully that clear thought won't have done any permanent damage to you, since you are not used to it.

By the way, the Japanese titles are of very little significance. Ai Miyazato has won 11 japanese ladies titles, but still failed to win on the lpga tour yet.

Right now Wie doesn't play on any tour full-time. As a result she's able to focus on and prepare for the LPGA majors. The one exception last year was the British Open when she was playing the 2nd consecutive week. It was there she finished 26th. I recall Johnny Miller comment on how long she had been playing at the Newport Country Club in preparation for the US Open, "If she was here any longer, she would have to start paying taxes."

Vale,

Are you wrong? Yes, you are. About virtually everything.

Just a helpful hint, Vale.

Try being a little more brief.

Your long-winded rants make no sense. A shorter one might be easier to comprehend. Notice I said "might."

Johnny N,

You've very conveniently changed the subject from winning tournaments to the sparse crowd at the trophy presentation at the SBS.

I really can't blame you since your position on Bubbles' lack of wins is untenable.

Vale,

Bubbles doesn't hit 300-plus yard drives, unless you're talking about downhill and downwind.

Alex,

Speaking of Wiemen jumping ship like rats, what ever happened to Kimo? He used to write quasi-philosophical expositions in which he waxed romantic about the Bubbles and related nonsense. Perhaps he experienced a breakdown and is now receiving Kimo-therapy.

Or maybe he is off writing children's books.

Here's an honest question for all the Wie Warrior invaders here:

Exactly what is the nature of Lard's latest "injury?" In fact, what is the nature of her previous "injury?'

What is the prognosis for these "injuries?"

All you boys seem to have the inside track to all things Bubbles. How about some information and predictions?

Comment by Blazer:
Right now Wie doesn't play on any tour full-time. As a result she's able to focus on and prepare for the LPGA majors. The one exception last year was the British Open when she was playing the 2nd consecutive week.
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Actually Blazer, for the lpga championship, Michelle spent the previous Monday at a 36 hole US Open qualifer, while the other lpga championship players were practicing at the course venue.

Michelle took Tuesday completely off from golf to rest, so she only had the Wednesday to practice for that event.

Yet Michelle still contended for the lpga championship title.

Alex,

Can you believe that Charles Howell was so foolish yesterday to actually win a tournament when he had a chance to add to his impressive total of 9 career second-place finishes...Doesn't he know that 2nd place finishes and top 5's are actually better than wins.

According to MENSA members Johhny N. and Stanley a resume filled with near misses is far more impressive than one filled with actual wins. This dizzying logic explains how a golfer with 0 worldwide wins(Michelle Wie) can be considered a superior player to one with 5 worldwide wins(Paula Creamer).

It's a wonder the entire golf world has not adopted this line of reasoning...I for one think they should and we can all start to discuss when/if Tiger will finally surpass Jack's Major total, no not 18 major victories, but his 19 runner-up finishes.

Stanley--You are trying way to hard...ease up on the Paula Creamer is so hot comments, we get it already, you are so totally into chicks(wink,wink).

Comment from Alex:
Here's an honest question for all the Wie Warrior invaders here:

Exactly what is the nature of Lard's latest "injury?" In fact, what is the nature of her previous "injury?'
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Very good Alex, you have conceeded on the issue of Michelle being better than Paula at performing on the elite stage of womens golf, which are the majors, and decided to change the subject.
Your conceeding on that issue is accepted Alex. So how about the other issue.

Michelle's injury is supposed to take about 4 to 6 weeks to heal. Like with all injuries of that nature, they assess it as it heals and then her doctors tell her when it will be okay to play golf with that wrist again.
Making predictions about speed of healing would just be guessing.

Ford,
Nobody in the blog said a 2nd place is better than on win.

The point that was made is that majors are where it is at.

How many majors has Tiger won? 12.
How many majors has Annika won? 10.
How many majors has Phil won? 3.
How many majors has Ernie won? 3.

These questions are easy to answer because majors are so important.
Ask how many titles has Ernie won, and how many people would be able to give a correct answer?

Majors are the elite level of the sport.
What you should ask yourself is, why has Paula Creamer not performed up to the level of contending at the elite level of the sport?

Wow Johnny, you're out there. I was hoping to get an intelligent description of MW's injuries and what I got was the term of the healing process. Did you not understand the question??

With regard to Creamer's performance in majors vs Wie--both players are 'O'fers. Creamer has proven she can win at the professional level. MW, we have no idea.

Comment from: Alex

“Vale,
Are you wrong? Yes, you are. About virtually everything.”

Alex,

So you disagree that Michelle needs to improve her putting skills?

You seem to think she doesn’t need to learn how to drive into the fairway instead of the ruff.

I’m sorry to insinuate that you were a Wie bashing idiot; I should have left out the Wie bashing part.

My sincerest apologies.

How’s that for brevity

Judge Smails,

Yes, it is true that most of the old elite guard of Wie-wee's have bailed out. Nothing lately from putt4par, Norman, Jim C, or even Ghet Rheel.

And yet, I sort of miss them. As illogical as they were, at times they made a modicum of sense. Their hopes for Bubbles were far-fetched, true, but for the most part , those hopes were presented with at least some semblance of reality.

Not so this latest group of Wie-wee interlopers. They make no sense whatsoever. And they are proud of their cluelessness.

The older group of Wie-wee's also were far more literate and much more versed in the art of expression.

This gang is more entertaining, though.

The Alan Cup committee is going to have difficulty arriving at a clear-cut winner of this year's cup, what with Stanley, Johhny N, and Vale among the newbies.

Vale,

How many times do I have to tell you? The word is spelled "rough", not "ruff."

Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Chris,

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I get a big charge out of reading the posts in answer to your blog of July 24, 2005. Most of Bubbles' defenders then seem to have given up on her.
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Alex, I seriously doubt many of the "fans" of MW have given up on her as you say. Rather, they have stopped responding to the vintage idiocy of Alex, Chris, Judge Smails, et al....

Reading your usual comments is rather like listening to a group of 15 year old smart ass boys playing some game and throwing dumb remarks at each other.When you grow up and can respond to a post without the usual childish names and asinine remarks, mabe there will be some reasonable discussion on this Board.

One really would have to wonder why you aren't a divorced man considering your opinion of women as espoused by your comments.

I have to agree with Shanks remarks about you, from another blog on this site.

Ciao !

Alex,

I think that this is because Bubbles' support has been whittled down to the members of the tin-foil-hat club by now.

putt4par,

Glad to hear that you haven't died or emigrated.

However, I do think that if you haven't thrown in the towel as far as Bubbles goes, your enthusiasm has waned to a whimper.

I was kind enough to your memory to say that you were fairly well versed and literate. It would have been nice if you had responded in kind.

But, enough of that. p4p, what is your opinion of the future of Bubbles' career, considering the mystery surrounding her "injury?"

Within six months, when do you think Bubbles will ring up that first win?

Alex,
You addressed the question to putt4parr, but to answer it, I predict Michelle Wie will win in 2007. Is that a good enough prediction?

Johnny N,

I specifically asked "within six months." But if that is your prediction, it'll have to do. Thanks.

Tell me, Johnny N, will Bubbles' win come in a "major" or one of those meaningless other events?

After all, if Bubbles were to win one of those minor other LPGA tournaments, she would be no better than Paula Creamer. You wouldn't want that now, would you?

BALDIE- you really would write anything just to get the attention away from yet ANOTHER CHOKE JOB BY YOUR BOY MICKELSON

There is a subtle, but significant shift in the crazed response by the Wie Warriors to Paula's gutty victory to open the 2007 LPGA season.

Previously, the Wie Warriors would simply point out all the great things Michelle was going to do on the LPGA. We perhaps remember Jim C.'s prediction that Wie would win 2 out of 4 women's majors in 2006.

Now, here's the subtle shift: We now hear about how Paula's wins in Japan don't count for anything, or how Paula has yet to win a major.

The fact is, Paula is a very fine golfer, and a credit to the game. She came up through the ranks. Paula played her way onto the pro golf tour. She earned a spot on the 2005 Solheim Cup and was the sparkplug for the USA team's comeback victory.

Paula did win what some folks consider the "5th major," the Evian event in France. So it's not as if Paula has not in fact beaten the world's best head to head.

If you Wie Warriors want to put down Paula, feel free.

But the facts are the facts: Considering that Paula took up golf relatively recently, and considering that she's quite young, winning five times, three times on the LPGA, including a big-time event such as Evian, what's best -- and classy -- is just to remember what a talented golfer Paula is.

As for Michelle...

If Wie does not win her first LPGA event at a younger age than Paula ... then nobody's going to care. Sony might not even care any more.

-George

Alex,

You still haven’t answered the question, how can you be a dedicated Wie basher and think her putting and driving skills are just fine? Your starting to make me sound like a Wie basher for even suggesting she has a couple of major components of her game to improve. What a flip-flop.

Would someone tell me why Michelle is called Bubbles? I can think of several reasons, but I honestly don’t know. If I’m a born again Wie basher, I’d really like to know why I might refer to her by that name. Seriously, good or bad, what does the Bubbles stand for?

I have no idea how long it will take for MW (Bubbles) to get that first victory, but I predict her second victory will not be far behind. Being in that winners circle does a lot for your confidence. She is improving every year and you can’t improve much on her stats without being in the winner’s circle.

Johnny N.,

Actually Wie played practice rounds at the Bulle Rock Course the week prior to the US Open qualifier.

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Michelle Wie flew into Baltimore on Monday morning and immediately set in motion a study session of two courses that offer the most immediate challenges in her golf career. She played practice rounds Tuesday and Wednesday at Bulle Rock GC in Havre de Grace, Md., which is where the LPGA Championship will be staged next week. According to her father, B.J., Michelle was scheduled to drive yesterday from Havre de Grace to Summit for two days of play at Canoe Brook CC in Summit, N.J. -- site of the U.S. Open Sectional Qualifying -- under the watchful eye of her famed instructor, David Leadbetter.
-- Boston Globe

Vale,

Do you have a problem with reading comprehension? Perhaps you are mildly dyslexic. In any event, I do not think you are a Wie basher or anything of the sort.

As for the handle of "Bubbles" that a few folks use, it is probably a reference to her "bubbly", ebullient faux exuberance that she expresses when gushing about her "sparklywatch", or how she just loves getting exemptions so she doesn't have to work for anything.

Comment from Alex:
Tell me, Johnny N, will Bubbles' win come in a "major" or one of those meaningless other events?
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Alex,
The other events are not meaningless, they are just nothing when compared to majors.
Each event should be judged on its merits. The Evian was a very significant victory. The other 2 lpga events were run of the mill events, and the 2 Japanese events were not very important considering Ai Miyazato has 11 japanese lpga tour victories.

If you want to include Paula's Japanese victories, as you have, then she with 5 victories and Ai Miyazato with 11 victories, makes Ai over twice as good as Paula.

That's the difficulty with you and your ilk, you have such difficulty understanding the relative importance of events.
It is very obvious that you are new to golf and don't understand these things, but fair play for keeping up your comments on a blog, as you might learn something from more learned bloggers.

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Comment from Alex:
After all, if Bubbles were to win one of those minor other LPGA tournaments, she would be no better than Paula Creamer. You wouldn't want that now, would you?
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Any event win is nice, but great players are judged by majors. When Annika and Karrie are discussed, it is mentioned that Annika has 10 majors and Karrie has 7 majors. Also, Lorena has yet to win a major and it has rightfully been pointed out that she has to win a major to be considered great.

In answer to your question, a run of the mill lpga tour win would be nice for Michelle, but a major win is where where the real business goes on.

George,

Yes, some of the predictions for Bubbles' miracles by the Wie Warriors were indeed glowing.

Jim C's prognostications were particularly effusive. After Bubbles' swoon at the John Deere, Jimbo confidently predicted that she would come back from that debacle like gangbusters. She would definitely won the Evian and the Weetabix, and make the cut at the 84 Lumber.

Since none of that came to fruition, it looks like Big Jim has gone into hiding.

Of course the Wie Warriors see fit to denigrate the achievements of Paula. In their minds, victories in Japan have no significance. And even her wins on the LPGA tour don't count for much since they didn't come in "majors."

But George, I'm sure you realize that all that will change if and when Bubbles finally wins anything, even if it's the Sheboygan pro-am..

I personally look forward to the day when Bubbles gets off the schneid.

The craziness on these blogs will be priceless.

Bad news for the Wie Bashers, George is back on the blogs.

George, nobody said that Paula wasn't a fantastic golfer.
What was said, is that those Japanese Tour victories are put into context by the large numbers of ladies who win multiple events on the Japanese tour and then fail miserably on the lpga tour.

That suggests that there is quite a gap between the tours, and that does mean that Paula's 2 Japanese Tour victories are just not near a level with lpga victories.

Paula's Evian victory was her best by a good way and her other 2 lpga victories were also important.

However the question has been asked, why has she not performed in the majors. Why has she not truely contended down the stretch.

Why is it that when she was in contention with a round and a half, or just a round to go, that she faded badly and tumbled down the leaderboard.
That happened in 2006 at the Kraft when she was in contention after 2 rounds and shot 79 in round 3.
It happened again at the US Open when she was in contention after 2 rounds and shot 76 in round 3.
These are important questions and there is nothing wrong with asking them.

Agreed,Alex.

My main point is the Wie Warriors have transitioned from being childish cheerleaders for Michelle to wussy whiners about Paula's championships.

Again, the bottom line is the Wie Warriors now realize that if Michelle doesn't win this year or by July 2008, she would then be older than when Paula got her first win.

Just think how insane the Wie Warriors would be THIS year if Birdie King hadn't holed that bunker shot at the U.S. Open and Morgan Pressel had found a way to win that tourney!

But more importantly, I'm going to focus on the fact that someone as talented, resourceful, tough -- and let's say it, guys, cute -- as Paula Creamer showed that at least one of the young guns of the LPGA is back in the hunt. If Paula has managed to put those injuries in the rear view mirror, it's pretty clear that -- unlike Wie at this point -- Paula knows how to win.

Only time will tell if Michelle joins Paula in the winner's circle.

-George

Alex wrote:

Vale,

Do you have a problem with reading comprehension? Perhaps you are mildly dyslexic. In any event, I do not think you are a Wie basher or anything of the sort.
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I absolutely must be all of the above, because I still have not read one thing where you responded to the question with anything other than more attacks against me. So why don’t you come down off your hate stool and explain why my assessments were wrong about everything. So here goes one more time:
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Vale,

Are you wrong? Yes, you are. About virtually everything.
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Alex,

One more time, please answer the question as to why I am wrong about virtually everything.

(I believe Michelle Wie can definitely improve her game by becoming a better putter and knocking several strokes off her game. I also stated that she would improve her scores by learning how to drive the ball into the fairway and not the “rough”.)

Yes, I also believe she will start winning a “lot” of events “if” she can accomplish the above.)


Alex,

Thanks for the explanation of Bubbles

George,
Admitedly you aren't in Alex's league, but you do say some silly things.

Of course Paula Creamer's achievements have been recognised, but the simple question has been asked. Why hasn't she done it in the majors?
Is anyone actually going to attempt to answer that question.

As for your talk about Pressel winning the US Open, she is a player who has shown on numerous occasions since then how to lose tournament. She has been in contention a whole host of times and faded badly down the stretch.

In Wie's case, she was in it for a few tournaments in 2006 right down to the last putt. With a bit of luck one could have gone in.
Paula Creamer certainly had a lot of luck when her putt on 17 went in.

As Dottie Pepper, a well know Creamer fan said, Paula could only hit that putt and pray after that. There were so many breaks in that putt that even Tiger Woods couldn't have read it for sure.

But although Paula got a huge slice of luck, she still did well to get herself in contention.
It is slightly worrying for her that she made a dogs dinner of a 5 shot lead and then had to rely on a lucky putt to win her the tournament, but the case remains, at least she was in there with a chance, and if a player can get in contention, they have a chance of a bit of luck coming their way in golf.

George,

From the tenor of their replies, it would seem that Vale and Johnny N have become unglued.

Maybe Johnny N will be satisfied if I say that the reason Paula hasn't won a major is that at the time of last year's majors she was only 19 years old.

And Vale, I truly believe that if Bubbles knocks a half-dozen strokes of each round with improved putting, and hits those 300 yard drives down the middle, her game will improve. I honestly do.

And everyone will live happily ever after.

You know, if I start to hit my drives 300 yards up the middle and improve my putting, I may join the PGA Tour.

The nickname "Wie Warriors" should be changed to "Wie Spinsters".

There's nothing a little PR can't fix.

:)

You all need to focus on what being a pro is all about. It's not winning a major-it's about making money. Paula set another record last year by earning the most money without winning a tournament.

Good point George Hoke. Paula did break Natalie Gulbis record of most money without a win.

Comment from Judge:
You know, if I start to hit my drives 300 yards up the middle and improve my putting, I may join the PGA Tour.
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Very doubtful Judge. It's highly unlikely that you have the distance control on your irons, the variety of chip shots, the control out of the rough or many of the other things that pga tour players have.

"Paula did break Natalie Gulbis record of most money without a win."

A record Michelle would surely own could she play in more tournaments. So let me get this straight Michelle Wie fans are taking shots at a player who doesn't win yet earns a lot of money???

Pot meet Kettle. Michelle Wie is the poster child for earning huge paychecks both on and off the course without having yet won anything. As I am sure you are aware Paula has 5 worldwide victories, while Michelle's trophy room remains barren, save for her 2003 Publinks title(boy does that seem like a lifetime ago) and her Jennie K. Wilson local Hawaiian title she picked up when she was 11.

Face it, Michelle is all sizzle no steak as we like to say here in Texas. You can spin Michelle's career anyway you like, but the fact remains that the girl who was to revolutionize the game of golf 3 years ago, has yet to win against the women and she has shown that she is light years away from ever competing against the top men on any tour.

She wants to master the LPGA before she turns pro.”
—Michelle’s father B.J.

If I ever get bored with golf, I'm going to start over and play lefthanded."

— Michelle Wie

"I like challenges, and I think that I get really bored easily,” says Michelle. “So if I just play in the women's tournaments and I guess play them over and over again, I think I'll get bored of golf.”

"I think my ultimate goal is to play in the Masters"

Would she like to win it? “Yeah, I’d love to,” says Michelle. “But I think the green jacket’s a little bit out of fashion, you know?”

These quotes seem assinine and arrogant looking at them today, but when they were said at the height of Wie mania many believed that the LPGA was merely a speed bump on the way to her real challenge, the PGA tour. Wie fans three long years later and O wins and 0 cuts made(on a major men's tour)later are running out of excuses and just hoping for that first elusive win on the LPGA.

Jerry,

You have encapsulated why I have long disliked Bubbles. The only thing I would add is that her assinine quotations not only seem arrogant today, they also seemed so back then, and I said as much at the time.

Double ditto,

I will add that even if Bubbles NEVER gets that first elusive win,
her diehard brown-nosers will never lose faith.

They will always have her numerous "injuries" as an excuse.

Judge Smails,
You are an honourable man. You admit what your real opinions are.

I have read many discussions on many different discussion boards and there are so many people who claim that they actually like Michelle really, but are just against the hype.

In your own post you have admitted that you do not like her. This is to be commended for its honesty.

Well done.

Comment by Jerry Jones:
Paula did break Natalie Gulbis record of most money without a win."

A record Michelle would surely own could she play in more tournaments.
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Incorrect Jerry. If Michelle played more tournaments, she would be far more likely to have won on the lpga tour.

In fact it is a practical certainty that had Michelle played a full season like Creamer in 2006 on the lpga tour, she would have multiple titles.

Just when one thinks that Johnny N can't become more ridiculous, he comes up with his latest post.

Incredible.

Johnny,

Yes, I treasure honesty, and I'm not phony. Remember, though, there's a difference between disliking a person and hating him. I realize that we have to strive to love our fellow man in a Christian sense; however, liking him is a different matter altogether.

Alex, first of all I agree that the Wie Warriors have begun to unravel again, faster than a ball of yarn placed before my cats.

Johnny:
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If Michelle played more tournaments, she would be far more likely to have won on the lpga tour.
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And your evidence is...
Oh. You don't have any.

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In fact it is a practical certainty that had Michelle played a full season like Creamer in 2006 on the lpga tour, she would have multiple titles.
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Well, I don't think Paula played a full season in 2005 -- yet Paula won multiple titles, four in all, two on the LPGA.

Now, how about sticking to the facts. When Michelle played, she did not win. When Michelle had a chance to win, she choked.

In reality, there's no way to know what Michelle would have done, or should have done -- because she didn't do it. She wasn't eligible to play more. All we can do is judge her on how she actually performed.

You can spin stats, you can use all the pretzel logic you want. Yet all of that still leads to the inescapable conclusion: Michelle failed to win.

Those questions will continue to circle Michelle until she wins an LPGA tournament.

It's also an open question whether she will ever be a full-time LPGA golfer -- by her own choice and inclination.

The fact is, Paula has won five pro tournaments now, three on the LPGA tour, including the very prestigious semi-major, Evian. Paula also was the spark plug for the Solheim Cup victory. And all by 20 years of age.

Face it. Paula has the skill, toughness, cleverness, charisma, and the looks that are among the key ingredients to be an LPGA star. She also spends time with first tee and other charity events. And part of her star quality is Paula can actually win tourneys.

-George

Michelle has it made, she is good looking, fabulously wealthy, accepted into the college of her choice and gets paid for hanging out with NBA stars while watching them play from the best seats in the house.

This is the stuff little girls dream of.

Face it. Paula has the skill, toughness, cleverness, charisma, and the looks that are among the key ingredients to be an LPGA star.
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If Paula was a real star, there would have been more than 100 fans cheering her on her final hole at the SBS Open.

If Paula was a real star, there would have been more than 50 people who stayed for the prize ceremony.

Watch the lpga event of Wie's first victory and you might like to note how many people watch a real star winning a title, and how many people stay for the prize ceremony.

Comment from George:
Well, I don't think Paula played a full season in 2005 -- yet Paula won multiple titles, four in all, two on the LPGA.
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You shouldn't write such long posts, because you show your lack of knowledge.

Paula did play a full season in 2005. She played 25 lpga tour events, as a full member, as well as some other foreign events.

Johnny N,

Where can I "watch the LPGA event of Bubbles' first victory?"

The fans really liked her, did they?

How many thousand were there, fawning in adulation to a real star?

Did she sign a lot of autographs after her first LPGA victory?

I must have missed it when she won her first LPGA victory.

Was Bubbles' first LPGA victory in a "major" or in just a regular event like Paula's three LPGA wins?

Michelle has it made, she is good looking, fabulously wealthy, accepted into the college of her choice and gets paid for hanging out with NBA stars while watching them play from the best seats in the house.

This is the stuff little girls dream of

One-Putt,

I think you perefctly encapsulated the problem that many Wie critics have with Michelle and her fans. Surely you remember the atmosphere surrounding Michelle circa 2003, after she became the youngest player to win a USGA sanctioned event. It was a media feeding frenzy, she was the can't miss kid. She hit the ball farther than any woman who had ever lived, she simply had too much game for the LPGA, she would dominate that pathetic tour within the year and then set her sights on the PGA tour, where she had the game to not only make cuts, but actually compete for titles. The few people, like myself that had reservations about her future, were shouted down and labled as sexist, backward thinking rubes who were scared of the future of golf.

When Michelle was contending for LPGA titles at 14, the world told us that her total domination was imminent, look they said proudly, "if she is finishing in the top 5 at 14 think what she will do next year." Remember her memorable run at the 2004 Sony Open; where she missed the cut by a single stroke. "See how close she is, Wie Warriors screamed, next year she will finish top 20." Some of us had questions about her game, her maturity, her exponential growth as a golfer, but again we were in the minority and shouted down again--The facts they would say were right in front of us, it's common sense really. If a 14 year old girl could almost make the cut in a men's event and could almost win a woman's tour event then by 15, with increased strength, mental toughness and maturity, surely she would achieve both with ease.

Fast forward a couple of years and Michelle Wie is no closer to attaining these "modest" goals of a win on the LPGA tour and a cut made on the men's tour than she was nearly four years ago. Her win total on the LPGA after 40 or so events still stands at 0 and her performances against the men have been disasters, her performance at the 2004 Sony Open at the age of 14 still stands as her high water mark. The voices of the critics and doubters has become deafening and arguments from the Wie warriors no longer center on facts or results they have been reduced to what you saw above from One-Putt, which summarized says this, "Screw you guys. So ehat if Michelle hasn't won yet or comes in last in every men's event she plays, she's rich and famous and that's all that matters."

So thank you One-Putt and all the other Wie fans who have finally conceeded that Michelle is no longer about results or even golf, she is about whoring around with NBA players and reaping the benefits of achieving fame without accomplishment. Ladies and gentleman say hello to Michelle Wie, the new Paris Hilton.

I apologize for the length of this post--I suppose a good old fashioned, "I told you so