Apr
03
Michelle-Wie-truth-telling Morgan Pressel wins the major she deserves with Kraft
Who knew that Morgan Pressel is better than Michelle Wie now, will always be better than Wie too?
In many ways it’s fitting that Pressel is the one who stole Wie’s marketing plan and became the youngest major winner in the history of women’s golf. Pressel is a golfer who paid her dues, won at every level, did everything that Wie’s advisors feared letting her do - to prevent the truth about her game coming out any sooner than it has. But even more than that, Pressel had the courage - something very lacking in today’s PC sports world of robots - to remark on how ridiculous the hype Wie had got compared to Wie’s actual very limited accomplishments (no wins).
Pressel talked a little more tactful after her Kraft Nabisco Championship crown. But she still let the truth be known.
“She’s still a little younger than I am, so she still has a little bit of time,” Pressel said. “It’s unfortunate that I guess she still has an injured wrist, and I’m sure she’s bummed she couldn’t play this week. It won’t be too long before we see her again.”
The “I guess she still has an injured wrist” is very telling. Like everyone else, Pressel has to guess about the true nature, the extent or even the existence of Wie’s “wrist injury” because Wie’s camp has been so secretive about it and the golf press has meekly gone along.
If this is any other major athlete on the planet, details of the “wrist injury” would have been demanded by now and actual reporting done. Heck, even minor pro athletes without a 10th of Wie’s endorsements have to answer for their stories. Just ask Lakers forward Vladimir Radmanovic, he of the separated shoulder by snowboarding.
Then again, that’s why Pressel is a fitting winner. She stands up for her actions, her words and her winning shots. In this case, not a single bogey over the last 24 holes of a major.
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109 comments
Comment from: JJ [Visitor] 
Morgan is a class act. Hope she continues to do well. Her hard work is paying off.
2007-04-03 @ 06:46
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Chris,
There is a rumor afoot that Bubbles might be off the tournament trail indefinitely. Something about her having to prepare for entering college.
Her marketability will surely take a tumble if she doesn't at least make an attempt to be competitive.
Bubbles has only played two rounds of tournament golf this year, her tank job at the Sony, and only about a half dozen rounds in the last six months.
Has she lost interest? It's beginning to look that way. Bubbles may retire from the sport at the earliest age in history.
Meanwhile, Morgan will continue to grind it out, racking up high finishes and an occasional victory. And without the benefit of sponsors' exemptions.
There is a rumor afoot that Bubbles might be off the tournament trail indefinitely. Something about her having to prepare for entering college.
Her marketability will surely take a tumble if she doesn't at least make an attempt to be competitive.
Bubbles has only played two rounds of tournament golf this year, her tank job at the Sony, and only about a half dozen rounds in the last six months.
Has she lost interest? It's beginning to look that way. Bubbles may retire from the sport at the earliest age in history.
Meanwhile, Morgan will continue to grind it out, racking up high finishes and an occasional victory. And without the benefit of sponsors' exemptions.
2007-04-03 @ 09:29
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Chris,
After reading the replies to your blog of two years ago, it is apparent that the Wie Warriors live in an alternate universe.
Their comments are absolutely surreal, but they are excellent entertainment.
After reading the replies to your blog of two years ago, it is apparent that the Wie Warriors live in an alternate universe.
Their comments are absolutely surreal, but they are excellent entertainment.
2007-04-03 @ 09:44
Comment from: Johnny N. [Visitor]
Chris,
If you knew anything about golf you would know that all Morgan did was post a score worthy of a top 5 finish. It took some great acts of charity and kindness to give her the title. Morgan has Petersen +5 thru the last 5, Pak +5 thru the last 6, and Matthew a 3 putt from 15 feet to thank for the title.
Oh, and by the way, she might also like to thank your friend Paula Creamer sho performed yet another choke job at a major. When is it that Creamer is going to put in a contending performance at a major?
Facts are facts. Michelle played the 2006 Kraft Nabisco in contention with Ochoa and Webb. Both of those players got eagles on 18. Ochoa also birdied hole 16, the most difficult hole on the course. Webb shot 65 in the 4th round. That's what Wie faced at the 2006 Kraft Nabisco.
Pressel got lucky and that's the size of it. She has shown herself to fold on numerous occasions in lpga events. If she had gone to a playoff, she would have folded again. Luckily for her, she didn't even have that, as the other players throught generousity might be a good idea.
If you knew anything about golf you would know that all Morgan did was post a score worthy of a top 5 finish. It took some great acts of charity and kindness to give her the title. Morgan has Petersen +5 thru the last 5, Pak +5 thru the last 6, and Matthew a 3 putt from 15 feet to thank for the title.
Oh, and by the way, she might also like to thank your friend Paula Creamer sho performed yet another choke job at a major. When is it that Creamer is going to put in a contending performance at a major?
Facts are facts. Michelle played the 2006 Kraft Nabisco in contention with Ochoa and Webb. Both of those players got eagles on 18. Ochoa also birdied hole 16, the most difficult hole on the course. Webb shot 65 in the 4th round. That's what Wie faced at the 2006 Kraft Nabisco.
Pressel got lucky and that's the size of it. She has shown herself to fold on numerous occasions in lpga events. If she had gone to a playoff, she would have folded again. Luckily for her, she didn't even have that, as the other players throught generousity might be a good idea.
2007-04-03 @ 11:14
Comment from: Oui Oui Oui [Visitor]
As much as Morgan's win was a surprise, the hicups by the two best female golfers was a bigger surprise:
- Lorena I-Choke-arrgh quadrupled the 17th on Saturday
- Annika Sorry-I-stunk ended up 9 over in the tournament
- Lorena I-Choke-arrgh quadrupled the 17th on Saturday
- Annika Sorry-I-stunk ended up 9 over in the tournament
2007-04-03 @ 11:27
Comment from: Geoff [Visitor]
Chris,
When did you become a Pressel fan?
Weren't you a Creamer fan?
How did Creamer get on, wasn't she in contention?
What did she shoot? Oops 78, so Creamers habit of stinking up at majors when in contention goes on.
Just as well you have deserted Creamer and jumped ship to the Pressel supporters club.
When did you become a Pressel fan?
Weren't you a Creamer fan?
How did Creamer get on, wasn't she in contention?
What did she shoot? Oops 78, so Creamers habit of stinking up at majors when in contention goes on.
Just as well you have deserted Creamer and jumped ship to the Pressel supporters club.
2007-04-03 @ 12:07
Comment from: Stanley [Visitor]
The fact that Michelle Wie wasn't even at a tournament and people still try to make the result all about Michelle Wie shows how important she is.
Whatever happened at the 2007 Kraft was nothing to do with Michelle. She couldn't affect the result when not playing it.
Whatever happened at the 2007 Kraft was nothing to do with Michelle. She couldn't affect the result when not playing it.
2007-04-03 @ 12:09
Johnny N, facts are facts, that is true. Fact is the course was set up tougher this year than last, much like a US Open. Fact is, it's a 72 hole tournament, not just a Sunday back nine tournament. Fact is, golf history is laced with examples of major-winning golfers who posted a good score ahead of the leaders and watched it stand up. The pressure of playing in or near the lead should never be underestimated. Good luck almost always has a little to do with ANY win but ALL wins are earned primarily on merit.
2007-04-03 @ 12:22
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Johnny N,
It seems that you are willing to recognize that Bubbles' mishit on 18 in the 2006 Kraft is the high-water mark of her career.
Perhaps you should take that approach since it is unlikely that she will better that score in the foreseeable future.
If she does take a prolonged hiatus from the game, she may become a distant memory sooner than even I expected.
It seems that you are willing to recognize that Bubbles' mishit on 18 in the 2006 Kraft is the high-water mark of her career.
Perhaps you should take that approach since it is unlikely that she will better that score in the foreseeable future.
If she does take a prolonged hiatus from the game, she may become a distant memory sooner than even I expected.
2007-04-03 @ 14:33
Comment from: Jim C [Visitor]
Shanks
The course was set up tougher than last year--but not like a US Open. I averaged the scores for positions 5, 10, 20, 30, and 40 for this year's KN and last years KN and Open. For 72 holes this year's KN was 1.6 shots harder than last year's KN--but 5.8 shots easier than last year's Open.
You thought Michelle Wie choked shooting a par on the last hole in 2006, but you seem unwillig to say that 4 over on the last 4 is a choke this year on a course that is about one stroke tougher every 45 holes.
The course was set up tougher than last year--but not like a US Open. I averaged the scores for positions 5, 10, 20, 30, and 40 for this year's KN and last years KN and Open. For 72 holes this year's KN was 1.6 shots harder than last year's KN--but 5.8 shots easier than last year's Open.
You thought Michelle Wie choked shooting a par on the last hole in 2006, but you seem unwillig to say that 4 over on the last 4 is a choke this year on a course that is about one stroke tougher every 45 holes.
2007-04-03 @ 15:02
Hey Jim, haven't heard from you for a while Yes, Wie did make a poor decision on 18 last year, using a chip shot from the fringe instead of a putter. She didn't need to hole the eagle, just 2-putt for birdie. That was a bad decision under pressure, which is choking too. Just like Mickelson's poor decisions on the 72nd hole at Winged Foot.
As far as comparing courses, you can only compare conditions at the KN from year to year. All your numbers prove to me is that the 2006 US Open course was a tougher course. I guarantee you it was not set up any tougher than Mission Hills was last week (width of fairways, thickness & length of rough, firmness & speed of greens).
As far as comparing courses, you can only compare conditions at the KN from year to year. All your numbers prove to me is that the 2006 US Open course was a tougher course. I guarantee you it was not set up any tougher than Mission Hills was last week (width of fairways, thickness & length of rough, firmness & speed of greens).
2007-04-03 @ 16:07
Comment from: Jim C [Visitor]
I saw where Michelle Wie was when she made her chip on 18 last year. She would have had to putt up a steep slope at an angle to the slope. I doubt very much if she would have gotten as close to the hole if she had putted.
The tougher set up of the course may have been an advantage for Pressel. She basically seems to have done what she did in the 2005 Open. Play fairly safe conservative golf, and hope that the course will bring the rest of the field back to her.
The tougher set up of the course may have been an advantage for Pressel. She basically seems to have done what she did in the 2005 Open. Play fairly safe conservative golf, and hope that the course will bring the rest of the field back to her.
2007-04-03 @ 16:54
Comment from: Johnny N [Visitor]
The fact is the 2006 Kraft Nabisco was played down the stretch with golfers playing great golf and fighting hard to WIN the title.
The 2007 Kraft was basically sad for womens golf. Suzann Pettersen shot +5 over the last 5 holes. Sorry Shanks, but the course was not that hard, or anything close to it.
Then Catriona Matthew made a 3 putt from 15 feet. That was actually a simple 2-putt but she completely made a mess of it.
Shanks didn't even bother to mention that, but he did choose to take Wie to task over not getting up and down from a very difficult position.
The 2007 Kraft was basically sad for womens golf. Suzann Pettersen shot +5 over the last 5 holes. Sorry Shanks, but the course was not that hard, or anything close to it.
Then Catriona Matthew made a 3 putt from 15 feet. That was actually a simple 2-putt but she completely made a mess of it.
Shanks didn't even bother to mention that, but he did choose to take Wie to task over not getting up and down from a very difficult position.
2007-04-03 @ 17:55
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Johnny N.
Let me see if I get the gist of your last post.
In the 2006 Kraft, Bubbles was in the field, consequently, several golfers played "great" golf trying to WIN the title.
But in 2007 with Bubbles absent from the tournament nursing her latest "injury", the best women golfers on the planet just didn't have their hearts in it, making it a "sad day for women's golf." They preferred to basically hand the title to Morgan Pressel by default
When Catriona Matthews three-putted on 18, she "made a mess of it." But when Bubbles failed to get up and down on 18 in 2006 from about 20 feet off the green, it was from a "very difficult position."
Excuse me, but I seem to denote a little bias in those statements. You wouldn't be a trifle prejudiced towards Bubbles, would you, Johnny N?
Let me see if I get the gist of your last post.
In the 2006 Kraft, Bubbles was in the field, consequently, several golfers played "great" golf trying to WIN the title.
But in 2007 with Bubbles absent from the tournament nursing her latest "injury", the best women golfers on the planet just didn't have their hearts in it, making it a "sad day for women's golf." They preferred to basically hand the title to Morgan Pressel by default
When Catriona Matthews three-putted on 18, she "made a mess of it." But when Bubbles failed to get up and down on 18 in 2006 from about 20 feet off the green, it was from a "very difficult position."
Excuse me, but I seem to denote a little bias in those statements. You wouldn't be a trifle prejudiced towards Bubbles, would you, Johnny N?
2007-04-03 @ 19:06
Comment from: Otis [Visitor]
Too bad the big "win" by Pressel wasn't a little more impressive instead of an absolute fluke. She was handed the title by Petterson and the others who should have been in the running. Either way it is still only Pressel, the obnoxious, annoying, whining, nasal voiced that got extremely lucky. Hmmm, reminds me of the Birdie Kim incident.
This still won't help Miss Piggy with the sponsor offers. Just look at her and listen to the whining voice. Makes me turn off the TV when she is on.
This still won't help Miss Piggy with the sponsor offers. Just look at her and listen to the whining voice. Makes me turn off the TV when she is on.
2007-04-03 @ 19:51
Comment from: Boola Boss [Visitor]
Jim C wrote: "I saw where Michelle Wie was when she made her chip on 18 last year. She would have had to putt up a steep slope at an angle to the slope. I doubt very much if she would have gotten as close to the hole if she had putted."
You are wrong Jim.....her putt would have been about 22 feet, slightly uphill with a small break (about 2 feet) from right to left......most pros like that type of break.....by chipping.....she left herself a very difficult twisting 10-foot putt that was downhill.....and still she almost holed it.....she even admitted in her cell phone interview on TV that she would have putted.....if she could do it over again.....
You are wrong Jim.....her putt would have been about 22 feet, slightly uphill with a small break (about 2 feet) from right to left......most pros like that type of break.....by chipping.....she left herself a very difficult twisting 10-foot putt that was downhill.....and still she almost holed it.....she even admitted in her cell phone interview on TV that she would have putted.....if she could do it over again.....
2007-04-03 @ 20:16
Comment from: Jim C [Visitor]
I don't believe that Michelle Wie originally planned to play in any LPGA event after the KN until the LPGA Championship. I expect her to be in the LPGA Championship but I don't expect her to play before then--except possibly the Ginn Tribute the week before. Don't forget she is limited to 6 exemptions per year.
2007-04-03 @ 22:14
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Jim C,
And don't forget that you flat out predicted that she would win the LPGA Championship.
And don't forget that you flat out predicted that she would win the LPGA Championship.
2007-04-03 @ 22:18
Comment from: Jim C [Visitor]
Otis
Morgan Pressel has turned into a gracious young lady(not at all like the obnoxiius Chris Baldwin). Personally, as a Wie supporter I won't celebrate this win with her, but I don't begrudge her the win either. If Wie scores an equally lucky win later this year let us say a win is a win, while acknowledging when it is a lucky win.
Here is an intersting question. How will Morgan follow up her win, and if Wie wins later this yesr, how will Wie follow it up?
Morgan Pressel has turned into a gracious young lady(not at all like the obnoxiius Chris Baldwin). Personally, as a Wie supporter I won't celebrate this win with her, but I don't begrudge her the win either. If Wie scores an equally lucky win later this year let us say a win is a win, while acknowledging when it is a lucky win.
Here is an intersting question. How will Morgan follow up her win, and if Wie wins later this yesr, how will Wie follow it up?
2007-04-03 @ 22:26
Comment from: Jim C [Visitor]
Alex
Will you remind me again of my predicton after the LPGA Championship is over, regardless of the outcome?
Will you remind me again of my predicton after the LPGA Championship is over, regardless of the outcome?
2007-04-03 @ 22:37
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Jim C,
Most assuredly.
One could make cottage industry out of countering the rosy predictions of the Wie-wee's.
And remember Jimbo, if Buubles doesn't tee it up at the LPGA, that will be no excuse
Most assuredly.
One could make cottage industry out of countering the rosy predictions of the Wie-wee's.
And remember Jimbo, if Buubles doesn't tee it up at the LPGA, that will be no excuse
2007-04-03 @ 22:49
Comment from: Jim C [Visitor]
In reference to last year's KN. I remember Shanks using "Choke" to refer to Michelle Wie's decision on 18. Shanks can correct me if my memory is wrong. I cannot find the relevant blogs anymore. There is, however. a blog for July 2006 by Shanks about Clarke and Gulbis which continued discussions from the earlier blog. There you will find golf pro Norman's view of Wie's chip on 18.
2007-04-03 @ 23:07
Comment from: Visitor [Visitor]
It would appear that everyone has forgotten that MW had two bogeys on the back nine at the Kraft last year. She played the last nine at +1 while Morgan played it in -2. If you say the difference is MW was under more pressure because she was head to head with Ochoa and Webb, well then I guess that's a "choke".
2007-04-04 @ 00:43
Comment from: Halster [Visitor]
"While the rehabilitation of her wrist is on schedule, Michelle wants to make sure she gives fans everything she can the next time she steps on the course,"
Morgan Pressel is a bona fide majors winner and the Wie warriors slam MP to save MW. Take a look at the NFL, a win is a win. The loser has no excuse, much less a no show due to fan expectations. Interesting question on the extent of MW's "wrist injury".
MW's importance is only because the media has no ability to fabricate news. They rely on the freak show that is MW. It's drying up, so now they'll have to invent a new phenom.
This comes at the expense of the LPGA who have plenty of talent, new and established. If anything, the attention that MW brings to the LPGA is that there are plenty of legitimate talent there and that she is the poser. Someday her conscience will catch up to her. But she's already cashed in her Nike chit, so now she needs to make a graceful escape from the world stage.
In the years ahead, we'll read about the "no hit wonder" in some CNN "breaking news".
-Halster, Honolulu Hawaii
Morgan Pressel is a bona fide majors winner and the Wie warriors slam MP to save MW. Take a look at the NFL, a win is a win. The loser has no excuse, much less a no show due to fan expectations. Interesting question on the extent of MW's "wrist injury".
MW's importance is only because the media has no ability to fabricate news. They rely on the freak show that is MW. It's drying up, so now they'll have to invent a new phenom.
This comes at the expense of the LPGA who have plenty of talent, new and established. If anything, the attention that MW brings to the LPGA is that there are plenty of legitimate talent there and that she is the poser. Someday her conscience will catch up to her. But she's already cashed in her Nike chit, so now she needs to make a graceful escape from the world stage.
In the years ahead, we'll read about the "no hit wonder" in some CNN "breaking news".
-Halster, Honolulu Hawaii
2007-04-04 @ 00:53
Comment from: Bad Joke [Visitor]
gee...
I wonder if Sony and Nike even care that they just blew a whole bunch of money.
I wonder if their stockholders do...
:|
I wonder if Sony and Nike even care that they just blew a whole bunch of money.
I wonder if their stockholders do...
:|
2007-04-04 @ 04:02
Comment from: Boola Boss [Visitor]
Just to refresh all you Wie-bashers memory......The Pink Panther and Morgan each played a few LPGA tournaments while they were almost out of high school.......in fact, I think Paula won her first one right before she graduated......but you have to remember that Michelle was playing in LPGA events when she was in JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL........and has played in 27 events.......and is STILL in high school.......in other words we cannot compare TPP and Morgan with Michelle.......Michelle is UNIQUE........she is the ONLY one in her class......there are NO others.........and that's just playing with her own gender.......when it comes to competing against MEN.......she is REALLY in a class by herself.......let's see......7 on the PGA tour.......two in Japan.....one in Korea and one on the European tour......that's TEN events in all.......no other female golfer is even close to that......so don't even try to compare TPP and Morgan, or any other member of the LPGA......to Michelle......she is not even an LPGA rookie yet.......she is in a class by herself........AND SHE IS ALSO AT THE top OF THAT CLASS......so let's just leave it at that.......just one other little talked about fact.....Michelle will have SEVEN more majors to compete in......to win and STILL become the youngest ever to win a major!.......
2007-04-04 @ 04:16
Comment from: John D [Visitor]
Boss,
The only comparison that counts is:
Pressel 1 WIN
Creamer 3 WINS
Wie-Wee ZERO wins
The only comparison that counts is:
Pressel 1 WIN
Creamer 3 WINS
Wie-Wee ZERO wins
2007-04-04 @ 06:56
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Boola Boss,
If your intention was to create the most unreadable and incomprehensible post ever presented on these boards, you can stop right now. You win!
That was Wie Warrior bovine fecal matter at its best. (Or is it worst)
If your intention was to create the most unreadable and incomprehensible post ever presented on these boards, you can stop right now. You win!
That was Wie Warrior bovine fecal matter at its best. (Or is it worst)
2007-04-04 @ 09:38
Comment from: Stanley [Visitor]
Visitor:
It would appear that everyone has forgotten that MW had two bogeys on the back nine at the Kraft last year. She played the last nine at +1 while Morgan played it in -2.
___________________
If you are going to mention scores, then how about Michelle Wie played the event at -8 and Morgan Pressel played it at -3.
You are the one who brought up the numbers they scored.
It would appear that everyone has forgotten that MW had two bogeys on the back nine at the Kraft last year. She played the last nine at +1 while Morgan played it in -2.
___________________
If you are going to mention scores, then how about Michelle Wie played the event at -8 and Morgan Pressel played it at -3.
You are the one who brought up the numbers they scored.
2007-04-04 @ 11:29
Comment from: Matthew [Visitor]
Otis,
Your post is brilliant, and sums up Pressel perfectly. In case anyone missed it, here it is again:
*********************************
Too bad the big "win" by Pressel wasn't a little more impressive instead of an absolute fluke. She was handed the title by Petterson and the others who should have been in the running. Either way it is still only Pressel, the obnoxious, annoying, whining, nasal voiced that got extremely lucky. Hmmm, reminds me of the Birdie Kim incident.
This still won't help Miss Piggy with the sponsor offers. Just look at her and listen to the whining voice. Makes me turn off the TV when she is on.
Your post is brilliant, and sums up Pressel perfectly. In case anyone missed it, here it is again:
*********************************
Too bad the big "win" by Pressel wasn't a little more impressive instead of an absolute fluke. She was handed the title by Petterson and the others who should have been in the running. Either way it is still only Pressel, the obnoxious, annoying, whining, nasal voiced that got extremely lucky. Hmmm, reminds me of the Birdie Kim incident.
This still won't help Miss Piggy with the sponsor offers. Just look at her and listen to the whining voice. Makes me turn off the TV when she is on.
2007-04-04 @ 12:04
Comment from: Geoff [Visitor]
Does anyone notice at the end of each sentance Morgan Pressel says AND, but instead of and she says ANTT.
She was also really obnixious in her interview, she was talking as if she had planned the whole thing. How the frig could she have know that Pettersen would make a balls of it.
She was also really obnixious in her interview, she was talking as if she had planned the whole thing. How the frig could she have know that Pettersen would make a balls of it.
2007-04-04 @ 12:15
Comment from: Jim C [Visitor]
Morgan Pressel won and a win is a win. But if you want to talk about pressure, there was never any great pressure on Pressel.
1)Pressel started the tournament below the radar.
2)Pressel was never in serious contention until after she finished her final round.
Pressel was in a no lose situation. The way the tournament was going, people would either ignore her if she played poorly or praise her if she did well.
1)Pressel started the tournament below the radar.
2)Pressel was never in serious contention until after she finished her final round.
Pressel was in a no lose situation. The way the tournament was going, people would either ignore her if she played poorly or praise her if she did well.
2007-04-04 @ 12:27
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
It would only be fitting if Morgan came out with a new book entitled
"The Morgan Pressel Story: The Art of Winning."
All young aspiring golfers who haven't won a tournament on a professional tour would be able to learn a lot from it.
"The Morgan Pressel Story: The Art of Winning."
All young aspiring golfers who haven't won a tournament on a professional tour would be able to learn a lot from it.
2007-04-04 @ 12:49
Comment from: Stanley [Visitor]
Alex:
It would only be fitting if Morgan came out with a new book entitled
"The Morgan Pressel Story: The Art of Winning."
_________________________________
Alex, what would Pressel say in this?
The art of winning:
- shoot a score of 3 off the lead when the leader is on the course with 3 holes to play.
- this might lead to winning.
Alex, as the readers of the book would put this advise into play, it is unlikely that many of them would have successful results from using it.
It would only be fitting if Morgan came out with a new book entitled
"The Morgan Pressel Story: The Art of Winning."
_________________________________
Alex, what would Pressel say in this?
The art of winning:
- shoot a score of 3 off the lead when the leader is on the course with 3 holes to play.
- this might lead to winning.
Alex, as the readers of the book would put this advise into play, it is unlikely that many of them would have successful results from using it.
2007-04-04 @ 12:53
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
What I find amazing is the ease with which the sour grapes crowd downplays Morgan's brilliant come-from-behind major victory.
She started the final round FOUR shots out of the lead and from there she stormed to a fairly easy win.
The others didn't fold and they didn't choke. They quite simply could not match the relentless, gutsy play of Morgan Pressel, the Toy Bulldog
She started the final round FOUR shots out of the lead and from there she stormed to a fairly easy win.
The others didn't fold and they didn't choke. They quite simply could not match the relentless, gutsy play of Morgan Pressel, the Toy Bulldog
2007-04-04 @ 13:00
Comment from: Stanley [Visitor]
Alex,
You have really shot yourself in the foot. You said that the others didn't choke. That means that you consider the following not to be choking:
Pettersen: +4 for last 4 holes.
Stacy P: +3 for last 5 holes.
Pak: +4 for last 4 holes.
Creamer: +6 for the round.
Alex,
If Michelle were ever to put in a similar performance to those down the stretch, then if you tried to call it choking you would lose all crediibility.
You have really shot yourself in the foot. You said that the others didn't choke. That means that you consider the following not to be choking:
Pettersen: +4 for last 4 holes.
Stacy P: +3 for last 5 holes.
Pak: +4 for last 4 holes.
Creamer: +6 for the round.
Alex,
If Michelle were ever to put in a similar performance to those down the stretch, then if you tried to call it choking you would lose all crediibility.
2007-04-04 @ 13:53
Comment from: Boola Boss [Visitor]
For John D and Alex - Let me explain this in a different way so maybe you two will understand......Michelle is in a CATEGORY al by herself.......you will have to admit that NOBODY else has EVER done what she is doing.......no WOMAN has ever played 10 events against men......that is a TRUE fact.......also NOBODY has ever played 27 events on the LPGA tour as a pro, without being a member of the LPGA.......that is another FACT.....so that means there is no one to compare her to.......as no one else has ever done what she is doing NOW........while she is still in high school to boot......she wants to be known as unique.....and she is.......she is also the tallest woman golfer ever to play regularly on the LPGA tour......so she is UNIQUE.....a one-of-a-kind........that's all I am saying........
2007-04-04 @ 13:57
Comment from: Jim C [Visitor]
It seems to me that good sportsmanship means no belittling and no gloating. Chris Baldwin was gloating. Chris didn't even gloat about how Morgan Pressel beat Paula Creamer who shot well over par after having a Saturday lead--but gloated about a player who was not even in the event. Even if he wanted to gloat over a player who was winless, why didn't he chose the media darling of the LPGA Natalie Gulbis who couldn't even make the weekend.
2007-04-04 @ 14:26
Comment from: Stanley [Visitor]
Because Jim, it's easier to beat a player who isn't in the field.
2007-04-04 @ 14:50
Comment from: Stanley [Visitor]
Alex or anyone else,
I predict that for the events Michelle plays in 2007 on the lpga tour, she will place better than Morgan Pressel in the majority of those events.
Is anyone willing to predict the opposite to that?
I predict that for the events Michelle plays in 2007 on the lpga tour, she will place better than Morgan Pressel in the majority of those events.
Is anyone willing to predict the opposite to that?
2007-04-04 @ 14:51
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Stanley,
Here is an equation that even you should be able to understand.
Morgan: -3 over final 18 holes + 0 bogeys=victory
Here is an equation that even you should be able to understand.
Morgan: -3 over final 18 holes + 0 bogeys=victory
2007-04-04 @ 14:57
Comment from: Jim C [Visitor]
Alex or anyone else.
Stanley's bet with a difference. I predict Michelle Wie will beat Pressel more often than Pressel beats Wie. Is anyone willing to bet Pressel beats Wie more often than Wie beats Pressel.
The difference. Wie has to actually win the tournament while Pressel has to only finish ahead of Wie.
Anyone willing to predict that in common events Pressel will finish ahead of Wie more often than Wie wins outright?
Stanley's bet with a difference. I predict Michelle Wie will beat Pressel more often than Pressel beats Wie. Is anyone willing to bet Pressel beats Wie more often than Wie beats Pressel.
The difference. Wie has to actually win the tournament while Pressel has to only finish ahead of Wie.
Anyone willing to predict that in common events Pressel will finish ahead of Wie more often than Wie wins outright?
2007-04-04 @ 15:21
Comment from: Stanley [Visitor]
By Alex reply, he is obvious too chicken to take the bet.
2007-04-04 @ 15:26
Comment from: Johnny N [Visitor]
Why would Alex be willing to actually predict something to happen?
If he were to do that, then maybe he would be wrong. He would far rather just let other people do the predicting and then if any of them are wrong he can take them to task for it, while not having the bottle to predict anything himself.
By the way Alex, you are perfectly right not to bet on Pressel in that case. Wie is obviously the superior player.
If he were to do that, then maybe he would be wrong. He would far rather just let other people do the predicting and then if any of them are wrong he can take them to task for it, while not having the bottle to predict anything himself.
By the way Alex, you are perfectly right not to bet on Pressel in that case. Wie is obviously the superior player.
2007-04-04 @ 16:32
Comment from: Jason [Visitor]
This victory is Morgan Pressel's-why are you bringing up Michelle for ?
You do know that Michelle Wie wasn't even in the field right?
Give that kid a break-she's a good player. Don't hate her just because you're almost 50 and still write a 5th rate golf blog.
2007-04-04 @ 18:07
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
For people that purport to be in the "golf industry" and knowledgeable about the sport, all of you Wie-wee's are clueless about this facet of the game.
In medal or stroke play, ALL the golfers are playing against the course, NOT against any particular golfer.
The lowest total of strokes wins, not who finishes higher or lower than anyone else. Got it?
But just for the sake of discussion, I'll say Morgan cleans Bubbles' clock at least 60% of the time.
Incidentally, what will be the upshot of your prediction if Bubbles doesn't play at all this year? Rumor has it that that might happen.
In medal or stroke play, ALL the golfers are playing against the course, NOT against any particular golfer.
The lowest total of strokes wins, not who finishes higher or lower than anyone else. Got it?
But just for the sake of discussion, I'll say Morgan cleans Bubbles' clock at least 60% of the time.
Incidentally, what will be the upshot of your prediction if Bubbles doesn't play at all this year? Rumor has it that that might happen.
2007-04-04 @ 18:15
Comment from: Stanley [Visitor]
Alex,
For that rumour, you are the only one I know of who has said that rumour. While the rumour has only come from you and nowhere else, I won't pay any attention to it.
By the way, did you hear Michelle's interview that she did with ESPN during the Kraft Nabisco? She said she should be out playing hopefully soon again, as soon as she is happy that she won't be hurting the injury by playing in a tournament.
For that rumour, you are the only one I know of who has said that rumour. While the rumour has only come from you and nowhere else, I won't pay any attention to it.
By the way, did you hear Michelle's interview that she did with ESPN during the Kraft Nabisco? She said she should be out playing hopefully soon again, as soon as she is happy that she won't be hurting the injury by playing in a tournament.
2007-04-04 @ 18:23
Comment from: Stanley [Visitor]
Alex,
Congratulations on actually making a prediction instead of just attacking those predictions that other people make. You might like to note though that the US Womens Open in 2005 remains the only lpga event where Miss Piggy has finished ahead of Bubbles.
Even at the British Open, alledgedly a bad tournament for Michelle, where she incurred a two stroke penalty and supposedly played poorly, she still beat Pressel by 6 strokes at that event.
Congratulations on actually making a prediction instead of just attacking those predictions that other people make. You might like to note though that the US Womens Open in 2005 remains the only lpga event where Miss Piggy has finished ahead of Bubbles.
Even at the British Open, alledgedly a bad tournament for Michelle, where she incurred a two stroke penalty and supposedly played poorly, she still beat Pressel by 6 strokes at that event.
2007-04-04 @ 18:28
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Stanley,
That was last year.
Now that Morgan has a MAJOR CHAMPIONSHIP in her trophy case, it's a new day.
DoubleWide is on the downhill drag and she doesn't stand a chance againsy Morgan :The Machine" Pressel.
That was last year.
Now that Morgan has a MAJOR CHAMPIONSHIP in her trophy case, it's a new day.
DoubleWide is on the downhill drag and she doesn't stand a chance againsy Morgan :The Machine" Pressel.
2007-04-04 @ 19:25
Comment from: Halster [Visitor]
Michelle who?
Why does this blog slam MW against an actual Major winner? Morgan Pressel does not have to defend herself against a weak marketing gimmick in Michelle Wie. I'm from Oahu Hawaii and really tired of MW.
It's time to move on. There are winners, losers and now shows. Shouda, woulda, coulda, is what Nike needs to deal with. Wie warriors making excuses only reduces the phe-non.
Halster - Honolulu, Hawaii
Why does this blog slam MW against an actual Major winner? Morgan Pressel does not have to defend herself against a weak marketing gimmick in Michelle Wie. I'm from Oahu Hawaii and really tired of MW.
It's time to move on. There are winners, losers and now shows. Shouda, woulda, coulda, is what Nike needs to deal with. Wie warriors making excuses only reduces the phe-non.
Halster - Honolulu, Hawaii
2007-04-05 @ 01:18
Comment from: JohnD [Visitor]
Johnny, Stanley, Boss, et. al.
Are you all members of the latest Wie-Wee fan club? LSL......
Losers Supporting Losers.
Are you all members of the latest Wie-Wee fan club? LSL......
Losers Supporting Losers.
2007-04-05 @ 07:01
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
JohnD,
Yes, it seems that these jokers think they have a monopoly on Bubblemania.
What they don't realize is they ae about the fourth generation of loonies who adore the Lanky One.
Most of the others have been cured and have sidled back into obliviom.
The rest of the newbie Wie Warriors will probably get over their infatuation with Bubbles, although there are some like Jim C who just can't seem to shake the habit.
Yes, it seems that these jokers think they have a monopoly on Bubblemania.
What they don't realize is they ae about the fourth generation of loonies who adore the Lanky One.
Most of the others have been cured and have sidled back into obliviom.
The rest of the newbie Wie Warriors will probably get over their infatuation with Bubbles, although there are some like Jim C who just can't seem to shake the habit.
2007-04-05 @ 07:29
Comment from: Stanley [Visitor]
Alex said:
Stanley,
That was last year.
Now that Morgan has a MAJOR CHAMPIONSHIP in her trophy case, it's a new day.
DoubleWide is on the downhill drag and she doesn't stand a chance againsy Morgan :The Machine" Pressel.
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It should be a very interesting season. I wonder who you are referring to as double wide. Morgan Pressel would be the most obvious, but then again, why would you be comparing her to herself. Very peculiar.
In any case, it is obvious to true golf fans that Wie is likely to whip Pressels butt again.
2006 in majors:
Kraft: Wie -8 Pressel +1
lpga: Wie -6 Pressel +9
us open: Wie +2 Pressel +14
British: WIe +6 Pressel +12
Alex has really bitten off more than he can chew. Wie is by far the superior player.
Stanley,
That was last year.
Now that Morgan has a MAJOR CHAMPIONSHIP in her trophy case, it's a new day.
DoubleWide is on the downhill drag and she doesn't stand a chance againsy Morgan :The Machine" Pressel.
______________________
It should be a very interesting season. I wonder who you are referring to as double wide. Morgan Pressel would be the most obvious, but then again, why would you be comparing her to herself. Very peculiar.
In any case, it is obvious to true golf fans that Wie is likely to whip Pressels butt again.
2006 in majors:
Kraft: Wie -8 Pressel +1
lpga: Wie -6 Pressel +9
us open: Wie +2 Pressel +14
British: WIe +6 Pressel +12
Alex has really bitten off more than he can chew. Wie is by far the superior player.
2007-04-05 @ 08:36
Comment from: Geoff [Visitor]
Alex,
You are right about double wide. Miss Piggy sure looked heavy in her press conference sitting down after her win, and believe it or not she has actually lost some weight. Her arms were all flabbing about the place, you know that ugly cellulite that flops down under the biceps. She was very confident though, she probably has ideas of herself way above her station. Over the next series of tournament she will learn that she isn't as good as she thinks she is.
You are right about double wide. Miss Piggy sure looked heavy in her press conference sitting down after her win, and believe it or not she has actually lost some weight. Her arms were all flabbing about the place, you know that ugly cellulite that flops down under the biceps. She was very confident though, she probably has ideas of herself way above her station. Over the next series of tournament she will learn that she isn't as good as she thinks she is.
2007-04-05 @ 08:58
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Once and for all, let me explain. In a stroke play eventgolfers play against the course, NOT against any individual players.
Here are some trends which you should chew on before you Wie-wee's again predict great things for Bubbles and once again fail to produce.
In Lardbutt's last two events on the LPGA tour, she didn't shoot a single round under par and only matched par three times.
Of course, in Bubbles forays in men's golf, she fared far worse.
How much worse? Try SIXTY strokes over par in eight rounds!
And this display worthy of a real hacker was BEFORE her life-threatening wrist injury.
That isn't a slump, it's falling off a cliff
Bubbles hasn't played a single round of tournament golf in close to three months. She isn't likely to play any competitive golf for at least a few more months if she plays at all.
You jokers can make all the mind bets you want about her "beating" anybody, but unless you want to end up on the dole, don't bet any coin of the realm on Bubbles.
Here are some trends which you should chew on before you Wie-wee's again predict great things for Bubbles and once again fail to produce.
In Lardbutt's last two events on the LPGA tour, she didn't shoot a single round under par and only matched par three times.
Of course, in Bubbles forays in men's golf, she fared far worse.
How much worse? Try SIXTY strokes over par in eight rounds!
And this display worthy of a real hacker was BEFORE her life-threatening wrist injury.
That isn't a slump, it's falling off a cliff
Bubbles hasn't played a single round of tournament golf in close to three months. She isn't likely to play any competitive golf for at least a few more months if she plays at all.
You jokers can make all the mind bets you want about her "beating" anybody, but unless you want to end up on the dole, don't bet any coin of the realm on Bubbles.
2007-04-05 @ 09:36
Comment from: Geoff [Visitor]
Alex: "In Lardbutt's last two events on the LPGA tour, she didn't shoot a single round under par and only matched par three times."
Alex, if you check lpga.com results, you will find that lardbutt shot 2 rounds under par at the Kraft Nabisco, which she won, and in her previous event at the Safeway she shot 2 rounds under par as well.
Calling Morgan larbutt is a fair and accurate statement but please quote her statistics properly.
Alex, if you check lpga.com results, you will find that lardbutt shot 2 rounds under par at the Kraft Nabisco, which she won, and in her previous event at the Safeway she shot 2 rounds under par as well.
Calling Morgan larbutt is a fair and accurate statement but please quote her statistics properly.
2007-04-05 @ 09:54
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
I could call Bubbles "Wingy", but that would be cruel.
Wie Warriors, eat your hearts out!
Morgan "The Machine" Pressel has won a MAJOR. She won that major BEFORE Bubbles has ever WON a stroke play event of any kind.
Morgan made her bones the hard way
US Amateur champion, multiple junior wins, and sole second in a previou open.
Morgan is a proven WINNER.
Bubbles is a has-been. Or maybe it would be more accurate to refer to Bubbles as a "never was."
Wie Warriors, eat your hearts out!
Morgan "The Machine" Pressel has won a MAJOR. She won that major BEFORE Bubbles has ever WON a stroke play event of any kind.
Morgan made her bones the hard way
US Amateur champion, multiple junior wins, and sole second in a previou open.
Morgan is a proven WINNER.
Bubbles is a has-been. Or maybe it would be more accurate to refer to Bubbles as a "never was."
2007-04-05 @ 10:12
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Geoff,
Yes. Sole means single, one and only.
Solo is the romance language version of sole, principally Italian.
The two can be used interchangeably except in legal documents such as contracts and wills.
Geoff, surely you must have already known this
Yes. Sole means single, one and only.
Solo is the romance language version of sole, principally Italian.
The two can be used interchangeably except in legal documents such as contracts and wills.
Geoff, surely you must have already known this
2007-04-05 @ 10:55
Comment from: Geoff [Visitor]
Sorry Alex, I don't know why you just didn't say she has a 2nd place. By saying she has a sole 2nd place, it sounds like you are demeaning that 2nd place, like saying she only has one 2nd place, that's not very good.
For example of someone said Johnny has a sole victory to his name, that would be a way of lessening it instead of just saying Johnny has a victory.
For example of someone said Johnny has a sole victory to his name, that would be a way of lessening it instead of just saying Johnny has a victory.
2007-04-05 @ 12:12
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Geoff,
Sole second is meant to differentiate that Morgan finished in second place by herself. T2nd says that she tied for second.
In any event, such things are trivial and merely matters of semantics
Sole second is meant to differentiate that Morgan finished in second place by herself. T2nd says that she tied for second.
In any event, such things are trivial and merely matters of semantics
2007-04-05 @ 12:25
Comment from: Geoff [Visitor]
Okay Alex then maybe you can say which major she held a sole second in, as in second place by herself.
I know she was tied for 2nd with Brittany Lang at the 2005 US Womens Open. Is there another major when Miss Piggy got sole 2nd place.
By the way, the taller prettier girl got an outright 2nd at the 2005 lpga championship.
I know she was tied for 2nd with Brittany Lang at the 2005 US Womens Open. Is there another major when Miss Piggy got sole 2nd place.
By the way, the taller prettier girl got an outright 2nd at the 2005 lpga championship.
2007-04-05 @ 12:40
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Geoff,
You seem to be having trouble with the word trivial also.
It mean extraneous, of little consequence.
What part of trivial don't you understand?
You seem to be having trouble with the word trivial also.
It mean extraneous, of little consequence.
What part of trivial don't you understand?
2007-04-05 @ 13:18
Comment from: Jim C [Visitor]
We can read the past in different ways--but this year it looks like Wie will focus on LPGA events. Let us look at how the two do in common events this year.
1)Head to head. Who will finish ahead the most times. Alex says Morgan Pressel, while I believe almost every Wie supporter would say Wie.
If Alex is interested we might also consider other possibilities. Who has the most wins in these common events is a possibilitiy.
Another possibility is to award points like they do for Player of the Year.
30 for a win, 12 for 2nd, 9 for 3rd, and then 7, 6, 5,etc fown to 1 for 10th. Points are dooubled for Majors. Note a T2 is 12 points just like a solo 2.
Suggestion. 5 competitions.
Head to head.
Wins
Wins(Majors count double)
Points(all events count the same)
Points(Majors count double).
1)Head to head. Who will finish ahead the most times. Alex says Morgan Pressel, while I believe almost every Wie supporter would say Wie.
If Alex is interested we might also consider other possibilities. Who has the most wins in these common events is a possibilitiy.
Another possibility is to award points like they do for Player of the Year.
30 for a win, 12 for 2nd, 9 for 3rd, and then 7, 6, 5,etc fown to 1 for 10th. Points are dooubled for Majors. Note a T2 is 12 points just like a solo 2.
Suggestion. 5 competitions.
Head to head.
Wins
Wins(Majors count double)
Points(all events count the same)
Points(Majors count double).
2007-04-05 @ 15:09
Comment from: Jim C [Visitor]
Just to clarify. I am talking about wins and points earned in common events.
2007-04-05 @ 15:12
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Jim C,
Those are nice thoughts but they are basically meaningless.
Morgan is a full time LPGA touring professional. She will compete in almost all of the events on that
tour.
Michelle MAY start in six events. Apples and oranges.
And as I've repeated many times, the golfers in a stroke play event are competing against the course, NOT against any other individual golfer. Just ask any tournament golfer.
Those are nice thoughts but they are basically meaningless.
Morgan is a full time LPGA touring professional. She will compete in almost all of the events on that
tour.
Michelle MAY start in six events. Apples and oranges.
And as I've repeated many times, the golfers in a stroke play event are competing against the course, NOT against any other individual golfer. Just ask any tournament golfer.
2007-04-05 @ 15:53
Comment from: Stanley [Visitor]
Jim,
Alex raises a very good point. Michelle only plays a limited schedule and that puts her at a big disadvatage to Morgan who would have more tournament play when going into actual tournaments.
However, don't worry about the disadvantage Michelle has, I think she will still be ahead of Morgan in the majority of those events.
Alex raises a very good point. Michelle only plays a limited schedule and that puts her at a big disadvatage to Morgan who would have more tournament play when going into actual tournaments.
However, don't worry about the disadvantage Michelle has, I think she will still be ahead of Morgan in the majority of those events.
2007-04-05 @ 16:07
Comment from: Judge Smails [Visitor]
I find it interesting how you Wiebots have so precipitously lowered your sights. It used to be that you judged her by the yardstick of men's golf; why, "She hits drives farther than many PGA pros, "She will make cuts on the PGA Tour soon," etc. Now, all you do is compare her to little Morgan Pressel! Ha-ha, it's funny, actually.
2007-04-05 @ 18:53
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Judge,
I find this latest group of Wie-wee's to be more entertaining than the previous three groups of zanies.
They either cannot or will not get it through their heads that in a medal play event, where one golfer finishes in relation to a particular other golfer is of no consequence.
And Stanley purports to be "in the golf business." Sure he is. Someone should tell him that caddying and restroom attendant don't qualify as being in the golf business
I find this latest group of Wie-wee's to be more entertaining than the previous three groups of zanies.
They either cannot or will not get it through their heads that in a medal play event, where one golfer finishes in relation to a particular other golfer is of no consequence.
And Stanley purports to be "in the golf business." Sure he is. Someone should tell him that caddying and restroom attendant don't qualify as being in the golf business
2007-04-05 @ 20:42
Comment from: Jim C [Visitor]
Alex
If a comparison between a part time golfer and a full time one is a matter of apples and oranges why does a win by Morgan Pressel in an event where Wie did not play have anyhthing at all to do with Michelle Wie?
If a comparison between a part time golfer and a full time one is a matter of apples and oranges why does a win by Morgan Pressel in an event where Wie did not play have anyhthing at all to do with Michelle Wie?
2007-04-05 @ 22:11
Comment from: bad joke [Visitor]
Oh how quickly they forget how the media and marketing companys were force feeding us Michelle Wie.
"She's already a champion"
"She will beat the men"
"She will be the best ever"
But suddenly the news media has gone silent...
Nobody like's an "I-Told-You-So", but they should at least suck it up that Michelle did not live up to their expectations.
"She's already a champion"
"She will beat the men"
"She will be the best ever"
But suddenly the news media has gone silent...
Nobody like's an "I-Told-You-So", but they should at least suck it up that Michelle did not live up to their expectations.
2007-04-05 @ 22:30
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Jim C,
It doesn't, except that you Wie-wee's have a way of making it suchh by ridiculous comparisons.
And the fact that Chris made it the title of his blog.
It doesn't, except that you Wie-wee's have a way of making it suchh by ridiculous comparisons.
And the fact that Chris made it the title of his blog.
2007-04-05 @ 22:31
Comment from: Halster [Visitor]
Alex must be Michelle Wie or Ken Sunshine (or where the Sun doesn't shine). Morgan and Paula are winners period. Why slam them and make excuses for MW?
2007-04-06 @ 00:56
Comment from: Halster [Visitor]
My apologies to Alex. Stanley you are a dumb a$$ MW supporter. How much is Ken Sunshine paying you to roam these blogs?
2007-04-06 @ 01:00
Comment from: Stanley [Visitor]
Bad Joke said:
But suddenly the news media has gone silent...
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Bad Joke, obviously you are new to golf and perhaps new to thinking in general. It is basic common sense that if a player has not played for a while and is injured that the media is likely to go silent on that player.
But suddenly the news media has gone silent...
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Bad Joke, obviously you are new to golf and perhaps new to thinking in general. It is basic common sense that if a player has not played for a while and is injured that the media is likely to go silent on that player.
2007-04-06 @ 09:00
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Stanley,
Let's see if you got the memo.
What is the nature of her "injury?"
Where did her "injury" occur?
What is the approximate date when Bubbles will return to competition?
Let's see if you got the memo.
What is the nature of her "injury?"
Where did her "injury" occur?
What is the approximate date when Bubbles will return to competition?
2007-04-06 @ 10:00
Comment from: Stanley [Visitor]
Alex asked some questions:
What is the nature of her "injury?"
- It's some sort of wrist injury.
Where did her "injury" occur?
- It was widely reported, it was 6 or 8 weeks before the Kraft, something like that.
What is the approximate date when Bubbles will return to competition?
- When her wrist has healed sufficiently so that she can hit out of all kinds of rough, and play enough golf injury free to get through a tournament.
There is absolutely no point in her playing too early and having to pull out of an event in the middle of the first round, having hurt her wrist more, although of course Alex and some others would love that as they would just claim that it was an excuse. That is why Alex is so keen for her to come back early.
The next truly important event on the lpga tour is the lpga championship, Michelle should work around that and try to play some competitive golf before then.
If Michelle could play 2 events on the lpga tour before the lpga championship, that would probably be the ideal preparation for it.
What is the nature of her "injury?"
- It's some sort of wrist injury.
Where did her "injury" occur?
- It was widely reported, it was 6 or 8 weeks before the Kraft, something like that.
What is the approximate date when Bubbles will return to competition?
- When her wrist has healed sufficiently so that she can hit out of all kinds of rough, and play enough golf injury free to get through a tournament.
There is absolutely no point in her playing too early and having to pull out of an event in the middle of the first round, having hurt her wrist more, although of course Alex and some others would love that as they would just claim that it was an excuse. That is why Alex is so keen for her to come back early.
The next truly important event on the lpga tour is the lpga championship, Michelle should work around that and try to play some competitive golf before then.
If Michelle could play 2 events on the lpga tour before the lpga championship, that would probably be the ideal preparation for it.
2007-04-06 @ 10:36
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Stanley,
I didn't ask WHEN her "injury" occurred, I specifically ask WHERE the alleged "injury" happened.
I got a chuckle out of your reply as to when Bubbles will return to action. That just about coincides with the rumor that she won't return for an indefinite period.
I didn't ask WHEN her "injury" occurred, I specifically ask WHERE the alleged "injury" happened.
I got a chuckle out of your reply as to when Bubbles will return to action. That just about coincides with the rumor that she won't return for an indefinite period.
2007-04-06 @ 11:43
Comment from: bad joke [Visitor]
Hey Stanley look!
There goes the point!
I shall clarify for you :)
The news media is no longer pumping into our brains how Michelle will dominate the sport and how she is a god-send. I don't know if you live in Hawaii, but I do. It was only a few years ago when Michelle could do no wrong. It wasn't enough to be proud of a local teen making waves on the national level, but we were virtually TOLD to love Michelle Wie.
News agencies would actually scoff the other players as Michelle would, lifting her (and her ego) on a golden pedestal of superiority.
My how times have changed.
Now there is absolutely NO NEWS as to her condition or rehabilitation.
I thought she was the savior to golf! Why aren't they bringing us updates every day like when she was a champion? What is her injury? How is she responding to treatment.
Makes ya wonder. :)
oh and by the way Stanley, I know you (and many others) are quite brave in cyberspace, but look before you leap. Ask for clarification before making assumption on one's common sense.
If there IS something common sense would tell us, is that the news media are hypocrites. And although this is not a revelation, it's good to point it out from time to time to keep ourselves from becoming slaves of the hype.
:)
There goes the point!
I shall clarify for you :)
The news media is no longer pumping into our brains how Michelle will dominate the sport and how she is a god-send. I don't know if you live in Hawaii, but I do. It was only a few years ago when Michelle could do no wrong. It wasn't enough to be proud of a local teen making waves on the national level, but we were virtually TOLD to love Michelle Wie.
News agencies would actually scoff the other players as Michelle would, lifting her (and her ego) on a golden pedestal of superiority.
My how times have changed.
Now there is absolutely NO NEWS as to her condition or rehabilitation.
I thought she was the savior to golf! Why aren't they bringing us updates every day like when she was a champion? What is her injury? How is she responding to treatment.
Makes ya wonder. :)
oh and by the way Stanley, I know you (and many others) are quite brave in cyberspace, but look before you leap. Ask for clarification before making assumption on one's common sense.
If there IS something common sense would tell us, is that the news media are hypocrites. And although this is not a revelation, it's good to point it out from time to time to keep ourselves from becoming slaves of the hype.
:)
2007-04-06 @ 14:29
Comment from: Stanley [Visitor]
Bad Joke,
What would be the point in giving daily updates of Michelle's injury to the public. If that's what you want then you are obviously more of a Michelle fanatic than you care to admit.
When going through an injury there really isn't much to update on a daily basis. For them to let people know when it's good to go is a better option.
Also, they are probably aware of the fact that too much attention is bad. They have probably learned this. From any basic marketing point of view, there can be too much marketing, and particularly with an injured player the public will get sick of hearing too much about them.
It is funny, some people complain that there isn't enough information about the injury and then others complain that she is still getting too much coverage for someone who hasn't played tournament golf for such a period. Since there are complains on both sides, they have probably got the balance right.
What would be the point in giving daily updates of Michelle's injury to the public. If that's what you want then you are obviously more of a Michelle fanatic than you care to admit.
When going through an injury there really isn't much to update on a daily basis. For them to let people know when it's good to go is a better option.
Also, they are probably aware of the fact that too much attention is bad. They have probably learned this. From any basic marketing point of view, there can be too much marketing, and particularly with an injured player the public will get sick of hearing too much about them.
It is funny, some people complain that there isn't enough information about the injury and then others complain that she is still getting too much coverage for someone who hasn't played tournament golf for such a period. Since there are complains on both sides, they have probably got the balance right.
2007-04-06 @ 15:10
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
bad joke,
Stanley and the other Wie-wee's prefer to retreat to their alternate universe when confronted with a direct question.
They cannot answer certain questions, so they simply ignore them.
First, Bubbles fell while jogging on a beach in a park on Oahu. Then she fell while running backwards at Palo Alto, home of Stanford University.
In the first reports, the "injury" was reported as minor; that it would take four to six weeks to heal. More than eight weeks have passed since the mysterios"fall" and now she says she will not play on the tour again until she feel right, that there is no danger of "re-injuring" it. To my mind, that would be an indefite period.
The description of her "injury" has been variously described as a fracture, a sprain, a ligament injury, a "hairline fracture", etc.
There has not been any disclosure of the results of X-rays.
Is there any wonder why people would be skeptical of the authenticity of this "injury" that seems to be getting more serious by the day?
Stanley and the other Wie-wee's prefer to retreat to their alternate universe when confronted with a direct question.
They cannot answer certain questions, so they simply ignore them.
First, Bubbles fell while jogging on a beach in a park on Oahu. Then she fell while running backwards at Palo Alto, home of Stanford University.
In the first reports, the "injury" was reported as minor; that it would take four to six weeks to heal. More than eight weeks have passed since the mysterios"fall" and now she says she will not play on the tour again until she feel right, that there is no danger of "re-injuring" it. To my mind, that would be an indefite period.
The description of her "injury" has been variously described as a fracture, a sprain, a ligament injury, a "hairline fracture", etc.
There has not been any disclosure of the results of X-rays.
Is there any wonder why people would be skeptical of the authenticity of this "injury" that seems to be getting more serious by the day?
2007-04-06 @ 15:32
Comment from: Jim C [Visitor]
Most of us don't live in Hawaii. Obviously Michelle Wie was bigger news in Hawaii than she was in the rest of the country. Elsewhere she might have rivalled Annika as the biggest name in ladies' golf--but coverage was still farily rare and minor item even in the sports pages. Indeed, there were probsbly other stars like Creamer or Pressel who got more press in the areas where they lived or had lived.
It seems to me that unlike the men who get plenty of bad press, virtually all the press coverage for women is favorable--with the sle exception of Michelle Wie. Plenty of people said the Pressel was supposed to be better than Wie when she tuirned pro--bu we weren't barraged by a constant stream of articles tearning her down ever time she had a bad outing. No--she simply disappeared from the majoor news coverage until she won last week. Annika got some negative press for skipping last year's Tournament of Champions instead of putting up more of a fight to retain her player of the year title(which she lost that week in absentia). But there really is very little in the way of negative press for other players.
It seems to me that unlike the men who get plenty of bad press, virtually all the press coverage for women is favorable--with the sle exception of Michelle Wie. Plenty of people said the Pressel was supposed to be better than Wie when she tuirned pro--bu we weren't barraged by a constant stream of articles tearning her down ever time she had a bad outing. No--she simply disappeared from the majoor news coverage until she won last week. Annika got some negative press for skipping last year's Tournament of Champions instead of putting up more of a fight to retain her player of the year title(which she lost that week in absentia). But there really is very little in the way of negative press for other players.
2007-04-06 @ 16:34
Comment from: R.L. [Visitor]
I think Michelle is a good kid and I am not going to bash her. Michelle is a victim of some dubious guidance from parents and handlers. I'm sure Daddy is still telling her that in a few years , she will be kicking Tiger's butt up and down the fairways of a PGA major. The chances for that are slim to none and slim is out of town.
In the pursuit of honesty, I will tell you I'm a big Morgan fan.
In the pursuit of honesty, I will tell you I'm a big Morgan fan.
2007-04-07 @ 04:52
Comment from: R.L. [Visitor]
Just another quick comment. I'm not sure I follow the logic that Pressel won because everyone was "choking." I'm not big on the idea of choking and never had been. But if I read right, it sounds to me that the two leaders at The Masters are not really playing well. It is just that it looks that way because Els and a host of the best on the planet "choked" during the first two rounds.
Augusta is bringing them to their knees this week- it is playing tough. The course for the KN was playing tough also and Morgan played the last 24 without a bogey. Not sure how you figure she played under the radar most of this year since before her win, she had two top fives and a thirteenth. And if you look at the average shots per round stat, she is number one.
Augusta is bringing them to their knees this week- it is playing tough. The course for the KN was playing tough also and Morgan played the last 24 without a bogey. Not sure how you figure she played under the radar most of this year since before her win, she had two top fives and a thirteenth. And if you look at the average shots per round stat, she is number one.
2007-04-07 @ 05:16
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Attention all Wie-wee's!
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain! That is R.L. and he is just trying to confuse you with alot of dangerous facts.
Just stick to the credo of the Wie Warriors: Morgan bad, Bubbles good.
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain! That is R.L. and he is just trying to confuse you with alot of dangerous facts.
Just stick to the credo of the Wie Warriors: Morgan bad, Bubbles good.
2007-04-07 @ 07:49
Comment from: Matthew [Visitor]
Alex,
Why are you agreeing with R.L. He is trying to equate the troubles the top players like Els have at Augusta with the troubles at the Kraft Nabisco.
Really Alex, you might be anti-Wie, but you are sinking to a new low if you are going to equate the Kraft Nabisco with the Masters.
I wonder have Alex and R.L. watched any of the Masters. If they had, they would know that even with perfect tee shots, the greens are such that a ball perfectly played into the green from the fairway with an 8 iron, can end up 40 feet or more from the hole.
The Kraft Nabisco ain't no Masters.
At the Kraft, if a player hit a shot in the fairway, they would have a short iron in, and the greens although not that receptive, were 100 times more receptive than the greens at the Masters are. There just is no valid comparison between the two, so please please don't compare the Masters to a pitty pat golf tournament.
Why are you agreeing with R.L. He is trying to equate the troubles the top players like Els have at Augusta with the troubles at the Kraft Nabisco.
Really Alex, you might be anti-Wie, but you are sinking to a new low if you are going to equate the Kraft Nabisco with the Masters.
I wonder have Alex and R.L. watched any of the Masters. If they had, they would know that even with perfect tee shots, the greens are such that a ball perfectly played into the green from the fairway with an 8 iron, can end up 40 feet or more from the hole.
The Kraft Nabisco ain't no Masters.
At the Kraft, if a player hit a shot in the fairway, they would have a short iron in, and the greens although not that receptive, were 100 times more receptive than the greens at the Masters are. There just is no valid comparison between the two, so please please don't compare the Masters to a pitty pat golf tournament.
2007-04-07 @ 12:00
Comment from: Matthew [Visitor]
In addition, viewers might watch the Kraft Nabisco because many of the golfers have nicer figures than those at Masters. In addition, they have prettier faces.
However, if you want to watch golf played at the highest level, then the Masters is a good option for viewing. Els may have struggled with the course at Augusta, but he still would have ripped up the Kraft Nabisco course easily.
However, if you want to watch golf played at the highest level, then the Masters is a good option for viewing. Els may have struggled with the course at Augusta, but he still would have ripped up the Kraft Nabisco course easily.
2007-04-07 @ 12:04
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Matthew
"Sinking to a new low."
You must be losing your grip on reality.
Where did you get the idea that I was agreeing with R.L. on anything?
Young man,I respectfully suggest
that you read what's actually there and don't let your imagination run wild.
"Sinking to a new low."
You must be losing your grip on reality.
Where did you get the idea that I was agreeing with R.L. on anything?
Young man,I respectfully suggest
that you read what's actually there and don't let your imagination run wild.
2007-04-07 @ 12:55
Comment from: Matthew [Visitor]
Alex,
You suggested you just might agree with RL when you said:
"Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain! That is R.L. and he is just trying to confuse you with alot of dangerous facts."
You suggested you just might agree with RL when you said:
"Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain! That is R.L. and he is just trying to confuse you with alot of dangerous facts."
2007-04-07 @ 12:57
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Matthew,
My droll comment may have suggested to you that I agree with R.L. and in fact I might agree with him.
But I don't think you should refer to me as "sinking to a new low" if I did.
R.L. did not compare the Kraft to the Masters' in my opinion. He said both courses were playing tough.
Since one course was set up for the PGA and the other for the LPGA, of course the former is more difficult than the latter.
That is the exact reason that Bubbles can't cut it on a PGA course.
She' a female and despite the fondest hopes of the Wie Warriors, she will never have the necessary physical attributes to compete with the big boys. And that's assuming that she continues playing competitive golf at all.
My droll comment may have suggested to you that I agree with R.L. and in fact I might agree with him.
But I don't think you should refer to me as "sinking to a new low" if I did.
R.L. did not compare the Kraft to the Masters' in my opinion. He said both courses were playing tough.
Since one course was set up for the PGA and the other for the LPGA, of course the former is more difficult than the latter.
That is the exact reason that Bubbles can't cut it on a PGA course.
She' a female and despite the fondest hopes of the Wie Warriors, she will never have the necessary physical attributes to compete with the big boys. And that's assuming that she continues playing competitive golf at all.
2007-04-07 @ 13:30
Comment from: R.L. [Visitor]
Thanks Alex. You're right. I'm not trying to compare Augusta to the KN. The course they played on was difficult for them. Just as the Open courses are difficult for them. Of course I mean LPGA courses. The women have terrific talent and most weeks I would rather watch the women than the men. I mean I like Fred Funk and all, but I'm not pumped when he and many others are on the first page of the leader board.
Lest you think I am a "newbie" to the golf world. I am old enough to have been on course when Hogan played as an old man and Arnie and Jack played as young men. I also was at Butusrol when an upstart named Trevino hit the US Open board.
Lest you think I am a "newbie" to the golf world. I am old enough to have been on course when Hogan played as an old man and Arnie and Jack played as young men. I also was at Butusrol when an upstart named Trevino hit the US Open board.
2007-04-07 @ 15:29
Comment from: R.L. [Visitor]
Have to laugh. When you're my age, it takes awhile to wake up. BALTUSROL. Enjoy The Masters. Don't be too nasty to each other- too many enemies on the planet for us already. Happy Easter and happy holiday to all.
2007-04-07 @ 15:42
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
R.L.,
Good post, you old rascal.
Me nasty? Nah!
Viewing the Masters' today, I saw the dismay on Tiger's face when he bogeyed his final two holes.
Little did he know that would actually GAIN on the field with those two bogies.
My best to you also on the celebration of the resurrection of our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ.
Good post, you old rascal.
Me nasty? Nah!
Viewing the Masters' today, I saw the dismay on Tiger's face when he bogeyed his final two holes.
Little did he know that would actually GAIN on the field with those two bogies.
My best to you also on the celebration of the resurrection of our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ.
2007-04-07 @ 21:28
Comment from: Halster [Visitor]
I take exception to the use of "Miss Piggy" for Morgan Pressel. She may not be media ready, but she's a bona fide Majors winner. MW who can better handle the media by saying "I'm player better and better". Who is she fooling. It's not about spin but about results. Stop with the derogatory reference to Morgan, or your going to hear more about the "Slant eye poser Nike whore".
Halster, Honolulu, Hawaii
Halster, Honolulu, Hawaii
2007-04-07 @ 23:57
Comment from: Ronnie [Visitor]
Halster,
It was me who called Morgan Pressel Miss Piggy, and you can call the other Nike Whore whatever you want, although you might like to stay away from the racist references.
Neither Miss Piggy or Bubbles hold a candle to the elegance and poise of Paula Creamer.
Since you are so offended by me calling your player Miss Piggy, perhaps you could come up with away of insulting my player Paula Creamer. Then again it is difficult to insult perfection.
It was me who called Morgan Pressel Miss Piggy, and you can call the other Nike Whore whatever you want, although you might like to stay away from the racist references.
Neither Miss Piggy or Bubbles hold a candle to the elegance and poise of Paula Creamer.
Since you are so offended by me calling your player Miss Piggy, perhaps you could come up with away of insulting my player Paula Creamer. Then again it is difficult to insult perfection.
2007-04-08 @ 10:08
Comment from: Stanley [Visitor]
Haster,
Ronnie is a well know Paula Creamer fanatic and it is also known that he is anti-Wie.
Why does his stupid comments about Morgan Pressel make you want to make stupid comments about Michelle Wie?
Are you on some sort of illegal substance perhaps?
Ronnie is a well know Paula Creamer fanatic and it is also known that he is anti-Wie.
Why does his stupid comments about Morgan Pressel make you want to make stupid comments about Michelle Wie?
Are you on some sort of illegal substance perhaps?
2007-04-08 @ 13:02
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Halster,
It would be wrong to call Bubbles any sort of "whore", but BJ Wie could be called a four-letter word that begins and ends with the letter "p".
It would be wrong to call Bubbles any sort of "whore", but BJ Wie could be called a four-letter word that begins and ends with the letter "p".
2007-04-08 @ 13:05
Comment from: R.L. [Visitor]
What happened to my call for peace in the valley? I'm a newcomer so I guess I should just keep from getting hit in the crossfire. Looks like Augusta is not in the holiday mood either. It seems to be clubbing the guys as if they were baby seals.
I don't think trash talking and calling Morgan, Michelle, or Paula names is necessary. If you want to criticize fine. That is one thing. Anyway- I'm a Morgan guy and also like Paula when Morgan is not in contention. And as I said yesterday, I think Michelle is a good kid. Just had some bad advice put in her head by older people who should have known better...
I don't think trash talking and calling Morgan, Michelle, or Paula names is necessary. If you want to criticize fine. That is one thing. Anyway- I'm a Morgan guy and also like Paula when Morgan is not in contention. And as I said yesterday, I think Michelle is a good kid. Just had some bad advice put in her head by older people who should have known better...
2007-04-08 @ 15:16
Comment from: Bad Joke [Visitor]
I think BJ & Bo has always had BJ & Bo in mind first and foremost.
2007-04-09 @ 06:17
Comment from: Matthew [Visitor]
RL,
I'm glad you like Creamer as well. Myself and Judge Smails are also fans of Paula, although maybe our intentions are not as honourable as yours are.
I'm glad you like Creamer as well. Myself and Judge Smails are also fans of Paula, although maybe our intentions are not as honourable as yours are.
2007-04-09 @ 08:40
Comment from: Curious George [Visitor]
Let's get back to real question. Why is Chris Baldwin jumping on the Morgan bandwagon? Has he given up on Paula?
2007-04-09 @ 14:21
Comment from: Johnny N. [Visitor]
Good question Curious Geoge.
Please answer Chris, what is your opinion of Paula Creamer's performance at the Kraft Nabisco Championship?
Please answer Chris, what is your opinion of Paula Creamer's performance at the Kraft Nabisco Championship?
2007-04-09 @ 15:43
Comment from: R.L. [Visitor]
I'm old- but not comatose. There are quite a few attractive young women out there playing. A good ten or twelve are very attractive. I think Paula and Gulbis went to the Oscars or Emmys together. Very nice all dressed up.
I also think that Morgan is a nice looking girl indeed when she goes out. Not sure if it was here that someone spoke of Morgan being trailer park trash. I had to laugh at that one. Morgan lives a very nice lifestyle and always has. Have a feeling she has never heard those immortal words: "Attention K-mart shoppers."...................ducks
I also think that Morgan is a nice looking girl indeed when she goes out. Not sure if it was here that someone spoke of Morgan being trailer park trash. I had to laugh at that one. Morgan lives a very nice lifestyle and always has. Have a feeling she has never heard those immortal words: "Attention K-mart shoppers."...................ducks
2007-04-09 @ 16:37
Comment from: Matthew [Visitor]
Michelle Wie has good legs.
Paula Creamer has a good glutus maximus.
Morgan Pressel has good bosoms.
But Stacy Prammanasudh has all those things.
Paula Creamer has a good glutus maximus.
Morgan Pressel has good bosoms.
But Stacy Prammanasudh has all those things.
2007-04-11 @ 13:35
Comment from: Joe Cool [Visitor]
ALEX,
BJ..."I WANT MICHELLE TO BE RICH AND WELL EDUCATED."
BJ..."I WANT MICHELLE TO BE RICH AND WELL EDUCATED."
2007-04-11 @ 18:15
Comment from: Halster [Visitor]
Michelle Wie is a Nike whore. What is racist about that? Most ho's actually produce to earn their money. All she has to do is wear a crappy hat and make excuses for her poor perfomances. And the Nike check$ keep a coming. All the while legitimate LPGA players earn their playing time, without sponsors exemptions.
2007-04-13 @ 00:32
Comment from: Florida Mike [Visitor]
Halster, I have been staying out of these blogs while Ms Wie is recuperating, but your vile comment deserves someone to respond. You could have made your point without tieing it to a sexual level. To do so reveals what a lowlife that you are. Stay in your trailer and keep your mouth shut.
2007-04-13 @ 16:52
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