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Comment from: R.L. [Visitor] Email
You made valid points and showed you are a lot more fair than you are normally given credit for. And I agree also. Michelle did herself some good by playing today.

She wanted a restart and I think she did that for herself today. It will be interesting to see if she can play decently at the Open.
2007-06-10 @ 14:10
Comment from: Kimo [Visitor] Email
"Wie played some of the worst golf of her career at Bulle Rock. And it still might have been the most important tournament of her life." Good point, Chris. Yes, she showed grit. It's always been a part of her, and it begins to surface when the chips are down. I disagree with your generalization about her being a quitter. She's a competitor, and, barring injuries, she'll always give it her best shot. As she heals and gets in more playing time her game will continue to improve. But we need to be patient.
2007-06-10 @ 14:41
Comment from: JR [Visitor] Email
MW deserves credit?? For what? For playing through some pain (either real or imaginary)? Giving MW credit for merely completing a tournament is like congratulating someone for not cheating. Lowering the bar are we???
2007-06-10 @ 15:52
Comment from: ron [Visitor] Email
Chris, it's nice to see you being so gracious regards to Michelle Wie. I like you a lot better when you're being objective about Wie. You're looking much more like a professional writer instead of someone just looking for attention.

Keep up the good work. It suits you better.
2007-06-10 @ 15:56
Comment from: Art [Visitor] Email
She also needs to realize that she needs to learn to play in The LPGA.
If she continues to tee it up against the men it's going to hurt her.
2007-06-10 @ 16:33
Comment from: Art [Visitor] Email
She also needs to realize that she needs to learn to play in The LPGA.
If she continues to tee it up against the men it's going to hurt her.
2007-06-10 @ 16:34
Comment from: Joe R [Visitor] Email
Chris, I think you must be loosing your mind. Now you think all wrist nonsense is real I guess. I do not think anyone desreves special credit for simply doing what he or she is supposed to do. In this case MW has become a head case and needs to stop complaing, show some respect for the LPGA and its players and just play golf. If she does well then I will give her credit.
2007-06-10 @ 17:18
Comment from: smudge [Visitor]
Credit? Huh? 20 million dollars for finishing a tournament as a professional, and finishing more than dead last of those who made the cut. I want some of that.
2007-06-10 @ 17:21
Comment from: jb [Visitor] Email
How many tournaments does MW need to play to show that she simply does not have what takes to be the men, (or the ladies). Now we have to endure the pain of her in the OPEN?
2007-06-10 @ 18:22
Comment from: Jim C [Visitor] Email
jb

Michelle Wie won't be in the Open next week, she didn't even attempt to qualify this year. Whatever made you think that she would be playing in the Open?
2007-06-10 @ 18:34
Comment from: Ken [Visitor] Email
Coming in last will definitely make it easier to improve. I hope Wie can win something before the time runs on her meter, tick tick tick....
2007-06-10 @ 18:46
Comment from: Jim C [Visitor] Email
Let me express the complaint of a Wie supporter. Look at Ken's comment after my last post.

Coming in last will definitely make it easier to improve. I hope Wie can win something before the time runs on her meter, tick, tick, tick...

First she only came in last among players who made the cut--she finished ahead of every player who missed the cut. Actually it will be much harder for her to improve on her performance this week than it was for her to improve on what she did last week. But OK it is a great sounding line, but let's not forget the underlying ttuth.

Next. I hope Wie can win something before the time runs on ther meter. Stop there, and it's really a fairly nice thing to say. Add in the tick, tick, tick... and it becomes a very nasty comment.

But OK, people have a right to make nasty comments, and that too is a fairly good line.

My complaint. I don't know what Ken will say for sure--but I am used to people making really nasty statements like that, and then pretending they are actually Wie supporters, because buried amid all the sarcasm he did say he lopes she can win something. ha ha ha.
2007-06-10 @ 19:36
Comment from: patricia [Visitor] Email
That was some damn good reporting from Havre de Grace these last few days. I really enjoyed it.
2007-06-10 @ 20:23
Comment from: Judge Smails [Visitor] Email
Oh, what drivel. Hey, Baldwin, what are you trying to do? Rehabilitate your image among the Bubbles sycophants?

First, Bubbles does not usually quit; she usually chokes or plays horrid golf to begin with -- only sometimes does she quit. Second, even the Wies understand that, after the debacle last week and the damage done to the cash cow's image, she could not withdraw from this event as well.

Anyway, 21 over par . . . . Wow, I might be willing to play the Bubbles for money myself.
2007-06-10 @ 20:37
Comment from: Alex [Visitor] Email
Jim C,

The best lines you have come up with to date concerning Bubbles is that she would definitely win the LPGA and that she was as good a bet as anyone in the field.

Those will be hard to top but keep on trying.
2007-06-10 @ 20:48
Comment from: Judge Smails [Visitor] Email
Hey, Alex, the Wiebots have lowered their sights to a point where they view just completing an event as an accomplishment. Their bar drops faster than the temperature in Caribou, Me., in December.

What's next? Perhaps soon just dragging herself to the first tee will be cause for accolades.
2007-06-10 @ 22:36
Comment from: Ken [Visitor] Email
Tiger Woods made a believer out of me and I respect him. On the other hand, Michelle Wie may someday be a great golfer. If there hadn't been a cut she would have still been beaten by at least 90% of the field. It was a fluke that she made the cut anyway. For her sake I hope she can win soon but I won't hold my breath or be rooting for her.
2007-06-11 @ 02:47
Comment from: One-Putt [Visitor] Email
You were closer to the mark with this post than you were with picking Lebron James to lead Cleveland anywhere.

Did you bet the family farm on Cleveland Chris?
2007-06-11 @ 06:48
Comment from: paul [Visitor] Email
MW does not make one decision on her own, and would have quit if she had her way, she is talented but the constant pampering has ruin her, she may come back but it will take awhile, she is dead last in women's golf and deserves no respect from her peers if she has any, the women's tour is better off without her, it is sickening to see her aloofness toward pro ams and other players l love watching the womens tour but without bubbles would be great, and the other players would get the respect they work for and deserve
2007-06-11 @ 07:19
Comment from: Alex [Visitor] Email
Jim C,

It is obvious that jb was referring to the Women's US Open. At least it was obvious to me.
2007-06-11 @ 07:58
Comment from: Alex [Visitor] Email
Jim C,

What about it, Jimbo my man! Will Bubble sdefinitely smoke the field at the Women's US Open next week?

She said at the LPGA that she was hitting some good shots out there.Just where remains a mystery.

Come on, Jim, give us a prediction.

Stanley, feel free to jump in any time with your words of wisdom. What will Bubbles do next? Will the Women's US Open be her breakthrough win in 2007?
2007-06-11 @ 08:13
Comment from: Alex [Visitor] Email
Chris,

I wouldn't be at all surprised it it was BJ's demand that Bubbles finish the tournament.

His greed knows no bounds and his disregard for the child labors laws is well known. Once she backed in under the cut line, he knew that she had a paycheck coming, even if it was only about $3300.

If she was hurting as bad as was indicated and BJ was obviously aware of it, only greed would motivate a father to allow his minor female child to continue in apparent pain and distress.
2007-06-11 @ 08:22
Comment from: ToddCommish [Visitor] Email
I think Wie finished the tournament because Annika publicly called her out for quitting the Ginn tourney. It had nothing to do with grit or pain tolerance or professionalism. It had to do with the respect of (or lack of respect) the other players.

It would be like Jack Nicklaus calling out a player for quitting the Memorial. You either sack up and play, or risk being branded for life.
2007-06-11 @ 11:50
Comment from: Alex [Visitor] Email
Norman,

From the tenor of your post, I get the notion that you don't think that Bubbles is going to make the cut and finish top ten at the John Deere, either.

But you think that Bubbles is going to compete at the Evian? Just what is Norman's definition of "compete?"

The Wie-wee's must be getting desperate. Even Norman is lowering the bar to ground level.

I have noticed that the Wie Warriors to the man have swallowede the "severe injury" yarn completely.
2007-06-11 @ 12:51
Comment from: LT [Visitor] Email
MW needs to take time off to be 18,
to "go have fun" and heal.
Then come back and enter any/all
long drive competitions.
Only when she can play on a par with
the ladies and namely another 18 yr
old Na On Min, should she be allowed to
play against the men, period!

2007-06-11 @ 13:12
Comment from: Shanks [Visitor] Email
ToddCommish hit the nail on the head. Wie finished this tournament because of the grilling she got from that travesty at the Ginn. Annika wasn't the only one to speak out either. Legitimate injury or not, anyone who WDs while playing on a sponsors exemption owes the courtesy of an apology to the host and/or sponsor of the tournament. It is assumed that said player would "try as hard as they can".

I will say that Wie doesn't deserve all the blame. The lion's share should go to her "camp" as they are the ones advising and/or making the decisions.
2007-06-11 @ 14:08
Comment from: Norman [Visitor] Email
ToddCommish said:
It would be like Jack Nicklaus calling out a player for quitting the Memorial. You either sack up and play, or risk being branded for life.
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Sorry Todd, but Annika is no Jack.
Jack is highly respected and also liked. Annika isn't liked by her fellow players or officials or many other people either.
2007-06-11 @ 15:10
Comment from: Norman [Visitor] Email
Alex: "From the tenor of your post, I get the notion that you don't think that Bubbles is going to make the cut and finish top ten at the John Deere, either."
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Alex, if Michelle plays the John Deere that would be a very stupid decision.



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Alex:
"But you think that Bubbles is going to compete at the Evian? Just what is Norman's definition of "compete?""
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Read it again. It says contend, not compete. I think she will contend at the Evian. She could win the Evian or the British Open or maybe even both. Wouldn't you like that!
2007-06-11 @ 15:13
Comment from: Jim C [Visitor] Email
In spite of what you might assume if you check first round tee times on the LPGA site for the Ginn Tribute, Janice Moodie and Alena Sharp were not the only players with a 7:26 tee time on the 10th hole. There was a third player who has been edited out. Michelle Wie. Nearly two hours later at 9:16 Annika teed off--so Annika was in the middle of her round when the Rule of 88 issues arose regarding Michelle.

Obviously she was kept out of the loop because no one, not Michelle Wie and not the LPGA officials wanted to interupt her round. Next time if Annika wants to be kept abreast of everything that happens in a tournament she sponsors then she should not play in that tournament. Perhaps if Annika had been involved, she would have seen to it that th 88 Rule was waived for Michelle, but she wasn't involved and the Rule wasn't waived. At least Michelle was not told that it would be waived--so if she finished the round at 88 or over she had no guarantees that it would not be invoked. Indeed, some have argued that even is she parred the last two holes, she would be given a two stroke penalty because her people consulted with her about the possibility of her runnning afoul of the rule.

Here is my problem. Should Michelle have been treated like a star, or like any other sponsor's exemption? If the former particularly since she was just coming back from an injury and playing at less than 100 per cent, the 88 Rule should have been waived. If the latter, she should have been thanked for withdrawing so she could no longer slow down play for the LPGA pros in her group and in the later groups. That after all was the purpose of the rule--to get poorly performing exemptions to withdraw. If you refuse to waive the rule for her, don't complain when she does what she is expected to do according to the rule.

Actually I think Annika should have had it arranged so she playd with the two sponsor's exemptions. Wie's struggles may have been unexpected, but Kline's 86-89 certainly was no surprise. With that group, no LPGA member except Annika would be inconvienced.







2007-06-11 @ 15:17
Comment from: smudge [Visitor]
hold on hold on...did anyone catch the post round interview yesterday? with Wie stating that she is taking two days off before going to grind with her swing coach for the next two weeks, get "lots of rounds in". I thought she was injured. so injuried that she used it as the excuse for her poor play and her contemplation of withdrawing for a second straight week. There is no injury. She continues to be a disgrace.
2007-06-11 @ 15:55
Comment from: InTheBunker [Visitor] Email
Jim C,

In your world does Michelle bare responsibility for anything? Or,is it the responsibility of everyone else to attend to her needs--treat her like a star, accommodate her special rules needs because she's returning from injury!! Are you serious or trying to tweak some people?
2007-06-11 @ 16:17
Comment from: One-Putt [Visitor] Email
Sometimes a humbling experience such as this is exactly what a player needs to ignite the fire in their belly.

This experience might be the catalyst that puts Miss Wie on the right track.

We will just have to wait and see.
2007-06-11 @ 16:26
Comment from: Jim C [Visitor] Email
What I am saying is either treat her like a star or treat her like everyone else. If the LPGA did not want her to withdraw they had the responsibility of waiving the possible one year penalty in her case. Otherwise they had the responsibility of explaining to the public that sponsor's exemptioms who find themselves in Michelle Wie's position are expected to show their playing partners the courtesy of withdrawing rather than continuing to slow down play. That is the purpose of the 88 Rule, which is why there is no penalty for a player who shows such courtesy by willingly withdrawing.

The LPGA acted like a theater company which expected a star to perform when she obviously was not up to it--because the show must go on--but if she did perform made it clear that she would be bannned for a year if she messed up.

2007-06-11 @ 16:52
Comment from: John D [Visitor]
Comment from: Jim C [Visitor]
In spite of what you might assume if you check first round tee times on the LPGA site for the Ginn Tribute, Janice Moodie .....since she was just coming back from an injury and playing at less than 100 per cent, the 88 Rule should have been waived.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

THIS IS the LPGA - Ladies PROFESSIONAL Golf Assn. Rules are not WAIVED at this level of play. If you want to waive rules, then there may as well not be a PROFESIONAL league. We had "Time Outs" and bent the rules in kindergarten. See what this behavior training has taught the new generation!.... "It's O.K. to cheat", that is what the younger generations are being taught!
2007-06-11 @ 16:53
Comment from: Alex [Visitor] Email
Norman is back! And he's as balmy as ever!

You read his post correctly, guys.

He actually said that Bubbles will not only compete at the Evian, she will CONTEND.

Furthermore, Bubbles will possibly win both the Evian and the British .

Norman, if you're joking let us know. Otherwise we'll have to send the men in the white coats to capture you.
2007-06-11 @ 17:01
Comment from: John D [Visitor]
Well, anyone can say anything, as long an they use the disclaimer word "POSSIBLY".

Such as.....

WIE-WEE will POSSIBLY withdraw from EVIAN and Bitish Open.

2007-06-11 @ 17:11
Comment from: Jim C [Visitor] Email
One putt.

Michelle Wie has had plenty of competitive fire. If anything, this could lessen her competitive fire, so that she focusses more of her energy on the weaker competition that she faces against women, rther than the tougher competition against men. If anything this could convice she needs to use clubs tailored for the LPGA rather than the PGA.

But there is one thing it has done. It has changed the way talks about those who criticize her.

The Michelle Wie of the past would have responded to Annika something like "Annika and the rest of the LPGA have done so much to make me feel wecome whenever I play on tour, that I would love to give Annika her apology just to thank her and the other members of the LPGA for the warm welcome they have given me, but I really don't understand why it was wrong of me to follow LPGA rules in this matter, and I have too much respect for Annika and the LPGA to offer an apolgy that is only words. Perhaps if Annika would care to explain things to me, I might understsnd, but as things are I really do not understand what the problem is.
2007-06-11 @ 17:13
Comment from: Jim C [Visitor] Email
John D

In fact this particular rule was waived last year for Dakota Dowd. Other rules regarding tournmanment appearances are waived for Annika on a routine basis. The idea that the LPGA does not waive rules is absurd.
2007-06-11 @ 17:16
Comment from: John D [Visitor]
And I still contend it is wrong to waive rules. That makes it UN-FAIR for the rest of the playing field. If one person gets tan exemption, then the rule should be abandond, since it is obviously a no longer needed rule.
2007-06-11 @ 17:25
Comment from: Jim C [Visitor] Email
Oh and how could I forget. The LPGA waived its minimum age requirement for Aree Song and Morgan Pressel. And guess what, a lot of people have criticized Michelle Wie for not asking the LPGA to waive their minimum age requirement so she could join the LPGA early. Their idea was that the LPGA has such little regard for their own rules that a waiver of the minimum age in Michelle Wie's case would be just a formality.

2007-06-11 @ 17:30
Comment from: Jim C [Visitor] Email
John D now maintains that the 88 Rule should not have been applied to Michelle Wie since a year earlier it had been waived for Dakota Dowd which now means it should have been abandoned after that.
2007-06-11 @ 17:51
Comment from: Alex [Visitor] Email
Jim C,

Annika is an adult woman, a Hall of Famer in her chosen profession.

She graciously invited Bubbles to a tournament at which she was the hostess.

Bubbles is a snot-nosed, spoiled-brat teenybopper.

Bubbles unceremoniously and in a very phony manner, abruptly withdrew from that event, offering not even a piss poor explanation to her hostess.

Jim C, if you don't see anything wrong with such conduct, and you think that Annika's behavior was somehow misdirected, you have real problem, pal.
2007-06-11 @ 18:05
Comment from: Jim C [Visitor] Email
ALEX

Michelle Wie acted in a manner that was totslly within the rules, and she avoided a year's ban in a manner that would have been available to any other sponsor's exemption. In fact she acted in the manner in which the rule was intended to get players to act.

Actually I think you are mmistaken about Annika. It is Annika who is the snot-nosed spoiled brat. Just ask Vijay Singh. Annika and her PC crowd rssponded to the gracious invitstion to the 2003 Colonisl by forcing defending champion Vijay Singh to witdraw from that event for the PC crime of expressing an off the record hope that she would miss the cut, which she did.

I have 4 questions for you?

1. Does Annika owe Vijay an apology?

2. To your knowledge, has Annika given Vijay an apology?

3. In the light of the answers to 1 ans 2, does Annika deserve to receive an apolgy from Michelle?

4. Who has the better claim to being an injured party. Vijay or Annika?

2007-06-11 @ 19:29
Comment from: jen [Visitor]
The thing that bothers me most about the Ginn withdrawal is not that Michelle withdrew, but it's the fact that LPGA definitely caused the withdrawal by alerting them of the rule (I believe that she truly wasn't aware of it until then) and then afterwards pretended that they had nothing to do with it, leaving Michelle to take all the heat for it. Did you hear Carolyn Biven's bogus explanation for why the LPGA official contacted the Wie family right before the withdrawal? Supposedly it was to clarify the previous rule situation when Michelle's father gave unsolicited advice. I find that explanation bogus, and that's 100% the fault of the LPGA. Michelle didn't ask to be protected from the rule, she was clearly ignorant of it. When the LPGA alerted her of that rule she of course did the only thing she could do, what they wanted her to do. But then she was left to explain herself to the media, and the LPGA just abandoned her. Very nice, Ms. Bivens. Then Ms. Bivens had the nerve to try and protect the image of the LPGA by hypocritically joining in the criticism by Annika and lying about why the LPGA official went up to the Wies, pretending they had nothing to do with it.

After all that, no wonder that Michelle didn't feel like she owed Annika an apology. It should've been the LPGA apologizing, or at least sharing half of the blame.

Back to the original post...I do think this tournament was important for Michelle's development even though it will be one of the worst results ever for her. She didn't give up. She didn't give up on making the cut, she didn't give up on the final round when she knew it was possible she might shoot an even worse score. Deep down she's got some steel. The pressure was on and she learned how to survive. And that's something good to build on.
2007-06-11 @ 19:56
Comment from: Bart C [Visitor]
Did Vijay host Colonial?
2007-06-11 @ 19:57
Comment from: InTheBunker [Visitor] Email
Jim C,

The more I read your ridiculous rantings, the more I'm convinced...you need a good slapping!
2007-06-11 @ 20:25
Comment from: Jim C [Visitor] Email
Alex

We have disagreed in the past. But I would hope you would clarify an issue for me. Is it appropriate for one poster to advocate physical violence against another poster? I think it proves a lot of what I have been saying about Annika, that my views about her have led an Annika supporter to advocate physical violence against me. At this point my disagreement with Alex takes second place. As Alex said, I have a real problem. At this point my problem is people like the previous poster who is supporting physicsl violence against me. I happen to think this view supporting violence sgsinst me comes from a PC supporter of Annika, not an opponent of PC. Any thoughts Alex?

2007-06-11 @ 20:55
Comment from: Alex [Visitor] Email
Jim C,

As I said, you have a problem, my friend, a serious problem.

I disagree with InTheBunker. You should not be slapped. It would not solve your problem.

A good, old northside Chicago a**-kicking might have more lasting effect.

Not that I'm advocating violence. Just musing.
2007-06-11 @ 21:14
Comment from: Jim C [Visitor] Email
So In the Bunker is more convinced that I need a good slapping, while lawyer Alex muses about me getting a good old fashioned northside Chicago a** kicking. As a lawyer, however, he is not advocating violence. Annika has some violence prone supporters. No wonder Annika is so popular in the LPGA. Those ladies don't want to get beat up.
2007-06-11 @ 21:36
Comment from: Judge Smails [Visitor] Email
Jim C,

Quite frankly, you do have a problem, and I'll tell you what it is. You are an immoral man. You either have no sense of right and wrong, or you are willing justify anything of which an object of your affection may be guilty. Either way, you have a poor sense of right and wrong. I guess your mother failed in that regard. You remind me much of the Clinton apologists.

By the way, when was it ever alleged that Sorenstam forced Singh to withdraw from the Colonial? That was never the story.
2007-06-11 @ 23:39
Comment from: Jim C [Visitor] Email
Amazing all the PC defenders that Annika has who care nothing for Vijay's rights. His off the record quotes were made public, and all the PC crowd attacked him so viscously that his life would have been miserable if he had stayed on at the tournament where he was the defending champion, but which had been hijacked by Annika.

Hudge Samails you are such a PC nit pickerm you could very easily have been a Clinton apologist. How many people really believe that Vijay would have withdrawn if an unqualified woman had not been given an invitation to the Colonial, and then had people harass anyone who would dare express an off the record wish for her not to make the cut. At lesst with Michelle anyone who wants to express a desire to see her fail can freely do so without being given the Vijay treatment.
2007-06-12 @ 01:55
Comment from: Judge Smails [Visitor] Email
Jim,

Actually, during the Colonial fiasco I criticized Sorenstam harshly, even going so far as to call her Mannika Sorenscam. I also defended Singh, who is my favorite player, and scored the PC thought police six ways to Friday.

Having said that, Sorenstam did not "force" Singh to exit the event; if you mean her entrance into it was the catalyst that created a situation in which he felt compelled to withdraw, that is a different matter altogether.

However, there is something you forget. Singh had just won the previous week's event, and it's not uncommon for a player to skip a week after a win; in fact, this was the stated reason for Singh's actions. Of course, this doesn't mean it's true, as he just might have been trying to avoid further controversy, diffuse the situation and bow out with grace. And it is logical to assume this was at least a secondary if not the primary factor, but this is a far cry from Sorenstam forcing Singh to depart the scene.

Now, can we get back to your complete lack of a sense of morality?
2007-06-12 @ 11:45
Comment from: Judge Smails [Visitor] Email
Jim,

By the way, you've betrayed yourself. You said,

". . . if an unqualified woman had not been given an invitation to the Colonial, and then had people harass anyone who would dare express an off the record wish for her not to make the cut. At lesst with Michelle anyone who wants to express a desire to see her fail can freely do so without being given the Vijay treatment."

Jimbo,

If Sorenstam, who was the best female player in the world and at the top of her game, was not qualified to receive a PGA Tour exemption, Bubbles certainly cannot be. Moreover, you say that Bubbles' detractors can express their disfavor with the brat with impunity, yet you and the other Wiebots castigate us constantly for doing so.

Not only are you immoral, but you lack logic as well.
2007-06-12 @ 11:57
Comment from: Mr. Fullerton [Visitor]
Vijay Singh doesn't seem to have a problem with an "unqualified woman" playing in the Sony Open.
2007-06-12 @ 12:35
Comment from: Jim C [Visitor] Email
Judge

I welcome your reasonable response, unlike Alex who muses about having me beaten up. In any case, Vijay was harshly criticized for exercising his free speech in an off the record comment. I accept your account, except that I am willing to say the PC pressure put upon Singh forced him out of the event, even if he voluntarily withdrew in response to that pressure.

Now let us go on to your charge that I have a complete lack of a sense of morality, and let us not forget that you are a judge. While I recognize that you are far more judicious than In the Bunker or Alex, I would challenge you to point to anything I have said that is as injudicious as your claim that I have a complete lack of morality.

Just based upon what I have said in these blogs a judge has declared that I have a complete lack of a sense of morality. Presumeably the judge feels he has seen enough to declare that in no area of my like do I exhibit any morality at all, and the man who is so quick to make this judgement is presumeably a judge in one of our courts of law.








2007-06-12 @ 13:08
Comment from: Alex [Visitor] Email
Judge Smails,

Also, Annika had the good sense to realize that she didn't have the game for the PGA tour.
She said so publicly and has never tried it again.

Not so Bubbles. She and her Wiebots still think she belongs with the big boys.

As for Jimbo, he contradicts himself so often I have quit noticing it.
2007-06-12 @ 13:14
Comment from: Alex [Visitor] Email
Jim C,

You have about as much business attempting to debate with Judge as a one-legged man has in an a**-kicking contest.
2007-06-12 @ 13:19
Comment from: Judge Smails [Visitor] Email
Alex,

We have to give Jim credit, though, as he is so astute that he inferred that I am a judge in a court of law.

Jim,

If you don't know why I accuse you of lacking a sense of morality, it only vindicates my assessment.
2007-06-12 @ 13:40
Comment from: Jim C [Visitor] Email
A judge accuses someone of having a complete lack of a sense of morality based soley on a person's written words, and then justifies his claim by saying the fact that anyone would question him is proof that the person has no sense of morality. I am sorely troubled by the state of justice in this country if that is typical behavior for our nation's judges.

I believe Judge Smaills is a good argument against the arrogance of judges in this country. He has been called Your Honor so much that he has started to believe it. He is used to a system where even dishonorable judges can imprison people for not addreessing them as your Honor. Judges should dress as normal people and be addressed as Mr., Ms., or whatever just like the President of the United States.
2007-06-12 @ 15:22
Comment from: Heinsenburg [Visitor] Email
Alex and Smails,

Too bad you guys can't take your act to Vegas. You guys are hilarious.
2007-06-12 @ 16:58
Comment from: Alex [Visitor] Email
Heinie,

Glad you appreciate our lighter touch.
2007-06-12 @ 17:15
Comment from: Judge Smails [Visitor] Email
Jim,

I've got news for you, the president isn't referred to as Mr. Bush but as President Bush or Mr. President.

Heisenburg,

What's really amusing is that some on these blogs provide comic relief without really trying. Oh, by the way, do you have any desire to win the Alan Cup?
2007-06-12 @ 20:29
Comment from: Judge Smails [Visitor] Email
Alex,

What is a pleasure is that the US Open will, mercifully, be free of the sideshow known as Bubbles. And the only elements missing from Bubbles' entourage are a barker and a shill. Although, it's quite obvious that we do have Bubbles sideshow barkers on this board -- there may even be some shills, too.

Anyway, it's nice when an event is limited to only the real pros and isn't tarnished by pitty-pat golf.
2007-06-12 @ 20:35
Comment from: Stanley [Visitor] Email
Alkex: Also, Annika had the good sense to realize that she didn't have the game for the PGA tour.
She said so publicly and has never tried it again.
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Alex, you obviously missed Annika's revised statements. She said that she thought she could easily retain a pga tour card, but that she would only be an average pga player and she would rather be the best on the lpga tour than just somewhere around mid table on the pga money list.
2007-06-13 @ 09:25
Comment from: Alex [Visitor] Email
Stanley,

Whatever.

The point is that she never has tried the PGA tour again. Period.

Nor has any other female player with the exception of Bubbles attempted this quixotic venture.

Bubbles alone continues to embarrass herself in her futile quest. And virtually all of her legion of Wie-wee's see nothing wrong with her getting her brains beat out.

it will be the height--or the depth-- of folly if she doesn't gracefully decline the premature invitation she was given to the John Deere. She doesn't deserve any freebies the way she has been playing.

But I wouldn't be at all surprised if she goes to Silvis. Good sense and propriety never were the hallmarks of the Wie machine.
2007-06-13 @ 09:55
Comment from: Jim C [Visitor] Email
STANLEY

I missed that quote from Annika. If that is true, it is terribly insulting to the men on the PGA. Annika carefully picked the Colonial as an event where she would have the best chance to winm and she missed the cut by 4 shots. It would be quite arrogant of Annika to think
she could easily retain a pga tour card.

Suppose Michelle Wie had made only the one try at the PGA in the 2003 SONY as a 14 year old. Then suppose she claimed that she could easily retain a pga tour card, but would rather become the best player in the women's game than a mid rank pga player, and then never played against the men again. Would the Wie critics have preferred that she did that?
2007-06-13 @ 11:15
Comment from: Judge Smails [Visitor] Email
Stanley,

Sorenstam did say that, which only proves that women have surpassed men in what was once considered a male province: Ego. I don't believe for a second that she really believes it, and there is no way in a million years that she could do it.

As Alex pointed out, though, she hasn't attempted to make a PGA cut again, and, my fine feathered friend, actions speak louder than words. If she really thought she could make history by making a cut on the men's tour, she would play again I'm sure.

Listen, athletes aren't exactly known for their prudence in judging such things; just think about how every boxer will promise to thrash his opponent, even when he is destined to hit the canvas in the first. Then you had Martina Navratilova, who rendered the opinion that she could possibly beat the 100th ranked male player, even though she knew that wasn't true.

Ego is an amazing thing, and pride is one of the Seven Deadly Sins for good reason.
2007-06-13 @ 11:18
Comment from: Judge Smails [Visitor] Email
Jim C,

You're right: In a measure, Sorenscam was guilty of the same kind of arrogant, boorish behavior that has so characterized Bubbles. And, insofar as that goes, they should both be condemned for it. Deal?
2007-06-13 @ 11:21
Comment from: Alex [Visitor] Email
Jim C,

Like most woman, Annika may have run her mouth when she should have shut up.

Two things I doubt that she ever said were that she would ever play in tha Masters', and that she thought she was good enough for the Ryder Cup team.

We all know which teenybopper made those claims, one without a pro win, while Annika, with 70+ worldwide wins could have been forgiven if she made such a claim. Which of course, she did not.


2007-06-13 @ 12:39
Comment from: Judge Smails [Visitor] Email
Alex,

That is true -- Sorenstam never made those outrageous claims. Thus, in the category of female inanity, Bubbles takes the title.
2007-06-13 @ 17:22
Comment from: Jim C [Visitor] Email
A confession. My response to Annika's comments were based upon Stanley's summary of them. If we are talking about her top 100 coments from 2003, then while Stanley's words may follow logically from what Anika said, I did not get a feeling of nearly as much arrogance from her actual words.

In 2003 Vijay made an apology for commments he made about Annika. It does not appear to have been an apology that was freely given, and it does not appear to have been well received. Far greater criticism has been directed at Michelle Wie, but as far as I know, no one has been expected to offer an apology, let alone have an apology rejected as not good enough.

I would like to have seen Annika apologize to Vijay because of the attacks that were made on Vijay by her supporters. Annika at the Colonial was nothing like Jackie Robinson with the Dodgers in 1947, and even if black writers wanted to make that comparison, it was Annika's responsibility to make it clear that she was no Jackie Robinson, that she had her own tour which totally exclued men, and opposition to her play in the Colonial was nothing lie the opposition black men faced when they were first integrating the Major Leagues.
2007-06-13 @ 21:33
Comment from: Frank [Visitor] Email
Jim C,
I defintely do not agree with some of your responses. However, it is quite interesting to see how Alex & Judge Smails responds. You do know who Judge Smails is named after right?
It kind of does not seem that way, but oh well.
Michelle is a great player (if you take out her injury factor)and has the stats and records to back it up. However, she reminds me of another Michelle-Kwan. We all know Kwan is one of the greatest figure skaters in the world, yet she never wins the Olympics.
2007-06-13 @ 21:59
Comment from: Alex [Visitor] Email
Jim C,

Why did you leave Mahatma Ghandi out of your post? He would have fit right in.

You know, Jimbo, I read your latest twice in a futile attempt to understand it. No luck.

Your argument, if that's what it should be called, sounds like one made up by a clique of teenage school girls. I makes no sense.

What's with all this "he said, she said, she should apologize" BS?

Jimbo, no offense intended, but are you sure you're of male sexual orientation?

Your post sounds perilously similar to what my daughters used to spout when they were teenagers. My wife and daughters still use that drivel when they are frustrated or angry.
2007-06-14 @ 07:08
Comment from: Alex [Visitor] Email
Correction: "It makes no sense."
Enough of the Wie-wee's already think that I make no sense.:-)
2007-06-14 @ 08:34
Comment from: Judge Smails [Visitor] Email
Alex,

Jim does have a habit of pulling things out of thin air. He'll make a statement that has no basis in reality and then act as if it's a known fact.
2007-06-14 @ 18:00
Comment from: Stanley [Visitor] Email
Alex: "Two things I doubt that she ever said were that she would ever play in tha Masters', and that she thought she was good enough for the Ryder Cup team."
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Alex Michelle never said that she was good enough for the Ryder Cup team either. She was asked if she would like to play in the Ryder Cup and if she thought it were possible that a woman could qualify.
She answered yes she would like to play, and that yes she thought it was possible a woman could qualify.
She did not say she thought she was good enough. Hopefully you accept you were wrong there.

As regards the Masters, she said it was one of her goals to play in the Masters. She did not say that she would play the Masters as you claimed. So wrong on both of your claims. Hopefully you have the grace to admit it.
2007-06-14 @ 18:29
Comment from: Alex [Visitor] Email
Stanley,

I do not accept your version of Bubbles fantasies just as you do not accept mine.

Since you want to split hairs, I will accept nothing but a verbatim transcript of the exact words of Bubbles. If you have them, post them in their entirety, otherwise quit your dratted nitpicking.

Who in hell do you think she was referring to when she said it was possible for a woman to perform these miracles?
2007-06-14 @ 20:23
Comment from: Alex [Visitor] Email
Stanley,

Where are the exact words of Bubbles on the subjects of the Ryder Cup and the Masters'?

Post them in their entirety including dates, places, and to whom they were said.

If you can't do these things, be gracious enough to admit you were mistaken.

After all, you are in the "golf business" so it should be easy for such a captain of industry.
2007-06-15 @ 07:03
Comment from: Jim C [Visitor] Email
Golf for Beginners Sept 6,2006 includes a link to her pre round interview. The interviewer said she was part of a new breed of women golfer who are becoming increasingly competitive in golf, and asked if she thought there would ever be a time when women could qualify for the Ryder Cup.

An interviewer who I asume was an adult had plenty of time to think and asked this question. A 16 year old girl, undoubtedly caught by surprise by the question and with vitually no time to think, answered, "Hopefully I will be able to do it one day, that would be awesome. I think it is totally possible. Anythingis possible in the future. I think players both women and men are getting better an we are getting stronger and work out more and are mentally tough and we can do it."

2007-06-15 @ 13:07
Comment from: Jim C [Visitor] Email
It is curious that a lawyer like Alex should think that the defenders of Michelle Wie are expected to provide clearly documened evidence supporting their defence, but that Michelle Wie's acusers are not expected to produce any evidence at all to support their accusations. If Alex is actually willing to look at documented evidence supporting Michelle Wie he is a lot better than Nifong--but on that point we will have to wait and see.
2007-06-15 @ 13:42
Comment from: Alex [Visitor] Email
Jim C,

Everything posted on these boards is only the opinion of the poster.

When a Wie-wee like you or Stanley makes some goofy statement, that does not mean that it came down with the Ten Commandments.

If you don't have the actual. documented words with chapter and verse, it is just your slanted opinion that's all. Just as if I said that Jim C and Stanley are a couple of stone imbeciles, it would just be my educated opinion.
2007-06-15 @ 19:42
Comment from: Judge Smails [Visitor] Email
Alex,

Perhaps we should not be rash and classify Jim C and Stanley as stone imbeciles. After all, we must endeavor to make proper diagnoses. Now, a moron is someone with the mentality of an 8 to 12 year old child, an idiot is an individual with an IQ in the lowest range that can possibly be measured, and an imbecile lies between those two points. Thus, I think it entirely possible that these two gentlemen may be better characterized as idiots.
2007-06-15 @ 23:45
Comment from: Jim C [Visitor] Email
The actual Michelle Wie quote can be found by clicking the daily blog, followed by golf for beginners, and then sept 2006 archives, and then the sept. 6 Wie Ryder Cup article, and then the interview link. This much is fact, not opinion.
2007-06-16 @ 00:07
Comment from: Alex [Visitor] Email
Judge Smails,

When Bubbles made all her grandiose predictions, the Wiebots all furiously defended her right to her fantasies.

She was a teenager and all such kids have dreams. She's aiming for the skies.

But hers weren't merely dreams. No, it was only a matter of a short time until they would be reality.

She would win an LPGA event before long, then multiple LPGA majors, dominate the women's tour as it has never been dominated(eight or nine wins per year with no problem).

Then, with nothing left to prove and no more to conquer among the females, she would take dead aim at the PGA, secure her card by any of various means, and become a force to be reckoned with on all the men's tours worldwide. She was surely destined to become, according to Bubbles, the international icon of golf, possibly surpassing Woods himself.

But now that it appears that none of this will happen, her sycphants have done a 180.

Neither Bubbles or any Wie-wee ever said anything like that.

And she wasn't referring to herself when she said a woman could play in the Masters' and make the Ryder Cup team. She was talking about some female, some supergirl of the future who will have the game to soundly whip the PGA pros at their own game.

Meanwhile, she will just have to keep on keeping on, blazing the trail for those to follow.

Bubbles, to her devoted followers, is now the Amelia Earhart of the links. She's a pioneer, albeit an ill-mannered one.

But unlike Amelia, she hasn't pioneered anything and never will.

But like Miss Earhart she has crashed and burned.
2007-06-16 @ 08:07
Comment from: Judge Smails [Visitor] Email
Well said, Alex. Unfortunately, though, unlike Earhart, she hasn't disappeared yet.
2007-06-16 @ 11:17
Comment from: Alex [Visitor] Email
Judge,

No, she's still with us.

But her latest outings may be previews of Bubbles' coming retraction.
2007-06-16 @ 11:22
Comment from: Judge Smails [Visitor] Email
Alex,

Perhaps she'll end up like Papa Wie, holding a Ph.D. and teaching at a college. After all, I'm sure she would be quite adept at relating unreality, otherwise known as leftist ideology.
2007-06-17 @ 14:19
Comment from: Alex [Visitor] Email
Judge Smails,

I read somewhere that BJ is a Professor of Transportation, whatever that is. Anybody know?
2007-06-17 @ 21:22
Comment from: Judge Smails [Visitor] Email
Yes, Alex, I made note of that myself. I was wondering what kind of intellectual prerequisites such a field required.
2007-06-18 @ 14:35
Comment from: Jon [Visitor] Email
Alex & Judge Smails: BJ is a professor of TIM.
Here's his info off the UHM site.
Name: Byung W Wie
Email: bjwie@hawaii.edu
Affiliation: Faculty / Staff
Office Phone: (808) 956-6935
Office Fax: (808) 956-5378
Office Location: George 206
Job Title: Prof
Department Name: Travel Industry Management
Campus Affiliation: University of Hawaii at Manoa

Off the TIM site:
The School of Travel Industry Management (TIM) is located on the University of Hawaii's Manoa campus on the island of Oahu. Its beautiful location, in the heart of the Pacific Ocean, is close to the world's fastest growing region for tourism and travel. The School is the leading professional institution in the development and dissemination of knowledge on all aspects of the travel industry in the Asia-Pacific. It is well-known for its diverse and highly-published faculty, who are very involved in research and service in addition to their teaching activities. The School specializes in the Asia-Pacific region, however its student body and faculty are from across the globe.

The TIM School offers quality degree and professional educational programs including:

Bachelor of Science Degree with emphasis on one of the following:
- hotel and resort management
- tourism and transportation management
Master of Science Degree
Executive Development Institute for Tourism (EDIT)
Hawaii International Hotel Institute (HIHI)
The School also houses the Professional Development and Research Consultancy Group which conducts research for academic, government and industry use, offers professional development and continuing education programs, and provides technical assistance and other community services in tourism-related areas. Within the School's beautiful facilities in George Hall is the TIM Sunset Reference Center, the Leong Hop and Bernice C. Loui Computer Laboratory and the Chuck Yim Gee Technology Learning Center.

2007-06-18 @ 16:18
Comment from: Alex [Visitor] Email
Judge Smails,

Well, there's a lot of "travel" in that blog of Jon's.

Daddy Wie knows a lot about travel.

He does enough of it gratis on Phil's private fuel-burning jet.

I wonder if the Wie's are purchasing carbon offsets?
2007-06-18 @ 17:37
Comment from: Paul [Visitor] Email
Prof Wie apparently knows about tourism too.
2007-06-18 @ 17:57
Comment from: Ty Webb [Visitor] Email
http://www.golftoday.co.uk/news/yeartodate/news04/wie11.html

"Hopefully, I will be able to play the Ryder Cup one day, that would be awesome and I think it is totally possible. Anything is possible in the future ... we are starting to get stronger and work out more and are mentally tough and we can do it."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/04/07/60minutes/main610802.shtml

These links and quote provide the evidence of her outlandish claims. Don't feel bad Stanley a lot of pc sheep bought into the hype right along with you.
2007-06-18 @ 20:38
Comment from: Judge Smails [Visitor] Email
Ty,

Even though you took the other side in that money match, I must congratulate you on your post. Yes, the media played the Wiebots like a fiddle. But what is it they say? Oh, yes, "Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me."
2007-06-18 @ 20:53
Comment from: Alex [Visitor] Email
Judge Smails,

After reading Jon's post from the U. of Hawaii's promo on the Tim, I came up with this conclusion:

Daddy Wie, when he finds the time betwwen traveling with Bubbles, teaches a course which basically qualifies its graduates for managing an Econolodge or a Motel 6. Maybe a Days Inn.

That course wouldn't go over very big in the Chicagoland area.

We already have about 10,000 guys here named Mohammed or Patel who have that vocation down pat.
2007-06-19 @ 07:44
Comment from: Jon [Visitor] Email
Alex,
Considering Hawaii main industry is tourism, it would only make sense to have a TIM major at UHM. I guess you have never been to Hawaii, especially Waikiki. There are tons of Japanese and mainland tourists all over.
2007-06-19 @ 15:15
Comment from: Alex [Visitor] Email
Jon,

Of course, you are wrong as usual.

I've been to Hawaii many times.

Once on R&R in the USMC, and three others as a tourist.
2007-06-19 @ 15:51
Comment from: Jon [Visitor] Email
Alex,
Then your previous comments are based on sarcasm and the joy of bashing.
2007-06-19 @ 16:34
Comment from: Judge Smails [Visitor] Email
Jon,

I think the point is that we don't take such "experts" very seriously. So, you'll have to forgive me, but I just don't place him in the same class as Einstein.
2007-06-20 @ 11:59
Comment from: Alex [Visitor] Email
Judge Smails,

Here's where we differ.

I do put Daddy Wie in the same class as Einstein.

Isadore Einstein. He runs an Army-Navy store on the near west side of Chicago.

Izzy has more character, though.
He never used his daughter as a cash cow.
2007-06-20 @ 12:58
Comment from: Jon [Visitor] Email
I don't place BJ in the Albert Einstein class either.
I guess you two are the know it all experts of the Wie family and everything, huh? And the resident experts of Wie bashing. So, I guess no one has to take you two very seriously either!
2007-06-20 @ 18:56
Comment from: Alex [Visitor] Email
Jon,

Judge and I don't insist that you take us seriously.

This is the United States of America.

You have every fight and privilege to remain a bumbling, left-wing moron if you so desire.
2007-06-20 @ 20:44
Comment from: Alex [Visitor] Email
error: right
2007-06-20 @ 20:45
Comment from: Jon [Visitor] Email
Good, because I never did. The only people who take either of you seriously, is each other. (At least on these blogs). And maybe a few nut cases that roam in once in awhile.
Alex you and your partner have the right to continue in bashing Wie. Three years and counting...
At least I'm not the loser that comes on here about every two hours to check, almost or if not everyday, for the last three years.
2007-06-20 @ 21:14
Comment from: Alex [Visitor] Email
Jon,

I don't know where you and that moron putt4par came up with that three year business.

Probably the same place as you found the BS about the WMD's.

Three years ago was June 2004. Bubbles had just started to ride the crest of her ill-fated hype.

She had come close to making the cut at the Sony, and there was virtually no adverse comment being made about her or her family anywhere.

I only became aware of this site less than two years ago when I saw Bubbles play briefly at the 2005 Publinx.

I can't remember anyone anywhere making negative comments about Bubbles and her career direction until after she started tanking regularly in men's events.
2007-06-21 @ 08:33
Comment from: Matt [Visitor] Email
This latest round of verbal attacks is really quite simple to explain. It is nothing more sour grapes from the pro-Wie camp. Without results and on-course data to back their claims of Michelle's greatness they are forced to attack people's character. It's only natural really--They hitched their stars to a young girl with a ton of promise 3 years ago and have nothing to show for it. Like them or not Alex and Smails questioned Michelle from the beginning(a highly unpopular position at the time) and have been proven correct in their assertation that the hype did not match the player.

I personally don't like the way they have chosen to voice these opinions(sarcasm and pet names), but Michelle's poor play over the better part of a year now certainly strengthens their views. One thing I like less than sarcasm and a condscending tone is a hypocrite and right now Putt4Par and others fit that bill by abandoning their logical arguments and launching personal attacks(granted michelle's play and entitled attitude)has given them no other choice, but mocking someone for being on this blog for three years when you were a charter member of the Wie fan club on this site is laughable.

I personally question the motives of grown men who fawn over Michelle and defend her blindly over those who have consistently criticized her.
2007-06-21 @ 08:35
Comment from: Jon [Visitor] Email
Alex,
Technically, putt4par is the one that came up with the three year business. And less than two years does not help your case.
BTW, Michelle always "tanked" in men's events. She only made the cut once in 2006. And yeah, that makes since for bashing her. ;P
2007-06-21 @ 14:56
Comment from: Jon [Visitor] Email
error: sense
2007-06-21 @ 16:05
Comment from: putt4par [Visitor] Email
Actually, Alex is wrong.
There was quite a bit of negative comment from many sources. Just because he wasn't "aware" of it, doesn't mean that it didn't exist.
Alex isn't aware of very much from what I can tell.


There was an article on this site credited to Tim McDonald dated in late 2003 that bashed MW.
and isn't it convenient that the 2003 archive is no longer available.
But I believe I have that article on an old hard drive. Going to have to look it up.

As for the rest of Alex's comments, it would seem that Alex is very picky about what he comments on and I don't mean that he is great at being honest either.

Stretching the truth is a very mild explanation for what Ali does.
2007-06-21 @ 16:36
Comment from: putt4par [Visitor] Email
Matt said:
"right now Putt4Par and others fit that bill by abandoning their logical arguments and launching personal attacks(granted michelle's play and entitled attitude)has given them no other choice, but mocking someone for being on this blog for three years when you were a charter member of the Wie fan club on this site is laughable. "

Ahh, Matt, why don't you go back and read what started the personal attacks, who started them and then look at my attempt at defending mself.

Alex is very good at ignoring, misquoting and maligning anyone who disagrees with him.

Also if you have been following my posts at all, I am not a Wie Fawner.

What I have always commented on is the way these grown men ridicule, degrade, mock and belittle a teenager.
Again, most of the crap hurled at me is by Alex and his cronies who keep trying to paint me as a Wie supporter.
While I would like to see her improve and win, that has never been what I have been commenting about.

To be very generous to Alex he is first and foremost very good at "bending" the truth,
It's easy to make other people who don't read the posts see a very different picture from the reality of this blog.

Let's just say that Alex is far from honest in his posting.
If a post doesnt agree with his view, the belittleing and name calling begin immediatly.

Go read his posts, then cme back and tell us different.
2007-06-21 @ 17:38
Comment from: Alex [Visitor] Email
putt4par,

You said that Tim posted an article "bashing" Bubbles in late 2003.

But you don't have it.

But you're going to find it off an old hard drive.

And you say that I and Judge Smails have too much time on our hands?

putt-putt, you've got more nerve than a burglar.



2007-06-21 @ 18:54
Comment from: putt4par [Visitor] Email
Ali... hey sweety...
Golly gee, old girl, you sure do get around. Kinda like those girls on the stroll.

You sure are looking more and more like that Dickens character, the artful dodger.

Misquotes, obfuscate, generally give less than honest replies.

Yup, there's a good story in there somewhere about the criminal element in your personality.
Let's see... US Marine, Policeman, lawyer, All of which call for honor, honesty and integrity.
Oops, sorry, you slipped, you were a lawyer which requires none of those things.... Yeah, theres where you went bad, lol.
What's next sweety, you got anymore roles you'd care to play?
2007-06-21 @ 19:14
Comment from: Alex [Visitor] Email
putt-putt,

You said that you knew I had posted derogative comments about Bubbles for three years.

But typically you can't back that statement up with any proof.

The reason is that no such post exist, except in your deranged mind.
2007-06-21 @ 20:37
Comment from: LR [Visitor] Email
Ahh... he responds to his new name...
2007-06-21 @ 21:05

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