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Comment from: Ron Mon [Member] Email
Yes, but ask yourself if Bonds fence was moved nearly as close as Hammerin' Hank's was. How much did he have to clear in left field in Atlanta, 325-330 feet? It bordered on ridiculous. How many times did Hank get targeted by pitchers?

I agree with the hirsute one that it is equal to the times. Babe set the standard, doing whatever he did, when no one paid attention and/or swept it under the carpet. All who come after will be held to standards that blur with the passage of time.

Remember the Maris asterisk? 61 homers in more games with fewer at-bats. Explain the logic in that one. If the science of pitching has surpassed the science of hitting, or vice-versa, this is not the same game that Babe nor Henry played.
2007-08-09 @ 07:43
Comment from: Rick Montenegro [Visitor] Email
There are always going to be people who don't want a record broken and since conditions will never be exactly the same they will point to those things to qualify the new record as not being as good.

That said, steroids is illegal, no matter how many MLB players are taking them. (I'd say 90% have at some point). Those drugs can take you from a hitter to a home run banger like what happened with Bonds. People don't want to see their old favorites taken out by illegal means.

That makes for double the controversy.

2007-08-09 @ 07:51
Comment from: Kenny Morrison [Visitor]
Ron Mon - Can you direct me to anything that backs up your repeated assertions about the Braves moving in the fences at Fulton County Stadium so Hank could hit more homers? Did this happen? If so, when? And how many did Hank hit in Fulton County Stadium after the alleged shift?

Also, do you really not think the Giants' park was designed with Barry's stroke in mind?
2007-08-09 @ 08:21
Comment from: 2under [Visitor] Email

I agree with some of what you say. Comparing generations, and the accomplishments between generations, is an exercise in futility. How can I compare Hogan to Woods? I can't. Different equipment, different courses, etc., etc., etc. It's a fun exercise, but we can't draw definitive conclusions from such a comparison.

I do disagree with the slippery slope you present with regard to PED's. I can make a conclusion that PED's are bad, and they present an unfair advantage. So if it is proven that Bonds did take steroids, knowingly or unknowingly, baseball will have to qualify the accomplishment somehow.
2007-08-09 @ 09:24
Comment from: ToddCommish [Visitor] Email
Kenny, you pretty clearly know NOTHING about baseball. PacBell is one of the top three or four PITCHER'S parks in baseball. It is statistically harder to hit a home run there than say, Fulton County Stadium (aka, "the launching pad").

And Mark, the elbow guard is legal. Helmets are legal. Don't blame Bonds. Other players are wearing helmets and elbow guards. They haven't hit 757 homers.

And Aaron used performance-enhancing drugs. And admitted it in his own book. Greenies, if anything, are worse. Amphetamines pump you up for a game, steroids will pump you up for a workout.

2007-08-09 @ 15:01
Comment from: Booger [Visitor] Email
"Now no one thinks that Woods and Nicklaus took steroids themselves."

Why would NO ONE think that Woods hasn't
taken steroids? If Bonds looks the part
physically, how can one dismiss the changes
in Tiger?
2007-08-09 @ 18:42
Comment from: Judge Smails [Visitor] Email
All you relativists are missing the most salient point: Taking steroids is contrary to the rules and, therefore, constitutes cheating. Doesn't ethics mean anything anymore?

What amoral slugs so many of you are.
2007-08-09 @ 20:05
Comment from: Kiel Christianson [Visitor] Email
Steroids have been illegal for some time.
HGH, growth hormones, Andro, etc. are not
(with a doctor's perscription), and they
were banned by baseball only relatively
recently. So if they took these things
prior to the rule change, it was OK? I think
many here would contend that they were not.

Seems to me that a purely rules-based view is is more relativistic (actually, pragmatistic) than some of the previous comments.
2007-08-10 @ 11:19
Comment from: 2under [Visitor] Email

Steroids are legal with a prescription as well.

Using any prescription beyond its intended medical use IS illegal, whether it is steroids, HGH, etc.

I don't think the Judge is making a rules-based commentary. I think he is also making a broader commentary that it is against the moral intent as well, which is cheating.
2007-08-13 @ 20:39
Comment from: Judge Smails [Visitor] Email
I had written a long response to Kiel, but the system wouldn't let me post it. I sent it to TravelGolf, but I no longer have it. They ought to get the bugs out of the system.
2007-08-14 @ 13:05

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