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Comment from: truthaboutduke.com [Visitor] Email
Great article! linked to on truthaboutduke.com!
2008-07-25 @ 09:11
Comment from: John Z [Visitor] Email
Chris, who are you to rip O.D. a new one? I play on a D1 program that competes against Duke every year. O.D. is a great guy, and I'm sure he has a good reason. There are plenty of kids in D1 golf that should be dismissed from teams, and O.D. finally had enough of a backbone to do it. If the kids really wanted him on the team, where are the letters? There are kids that I dislike on my team, but I would still write that letter for them. He must be extremely disliked on that team for his fellow teammates not to band together and get him back.
Another thing to keep in mind, have you ever heard of an athletic director? Do you actually think that Duke's AD would let these ludicrous reasons for dismissal stand alone? No. If the dismissal was not worthy, Giuliani would have been reinstated.
You have a pretty serious opinion for someone who lacks a lot of knowledge about the situation. You might want to think about giving the grown men at the Duke Athletic program a little more credit than Giuliani’s trust fund baby.
2008-07-25 @ 10:18
Comment from: ACC Fan [Visitor] Email
I played D1 sports too, and I've been around D1 athletics enough to know that NO student-athlete should ever be dismissed based on a referendum by teammates. The coach controls the program, and he should be justified in his decision to dismiss. He should NEVER leave approval of his decision to the broader team for such an act. If the AD had any backbone, she would have intervened, and would never have allowed the players to influence this decision.

Anyway, this is the third incident in a recent chain of wacky behavior between Duke athletes and the athletic administration. Starting with the the lacrosse scandal where the team sued the school for firing the coach and canceling their season based on the what-turned-out-to-be false accusations of date rape, then the football court case where the administration defended itself for breach of contract with another school by saying that Duke football sucked too badly to matter. It all demonstrates a lack of character and integrity pervasive within the athletic department that stains the institution and its own student-athletes.
2008-07-25 @ 13:42
Comment from: Judge Smails [Visitor] Email
You're mixing apples and oranges and are behaving like a leftist. The impetus behind this is not the political correctness that gave us the Duke lacrosse scandal, but a desire to maintain discipline and uphold standards.

It is reported that Andrew Giuliani's behavior has been deteriorating of late, that he has been arrogant, unsportsmanlike and has acted out in fairly egregious ways. You should applaud the coach for holding even the son of a prominent politician to the same standards as everyone else.
2008-07-26 @ 12:05
Comment from: Ron Mon [Member] Email

I never liked the Vincent hiring. He seemed all too ready to jump ship and leave UCLA for Duke. In turn, the fellow who truly took over for Myers, Brad Sparling, ended up at Ohio State as associate head coach. His wife is from the buckeye state. When Sparling takes over as head coach for Jim Brown at OSU, I'm betting he'll win an NCAA title before Vincent does. Good job on this one, Chris. Smails, who are your sources?
2008-07-26 @ 21:18
Comment from: Judge Smails [Visitor] Email
Ron Mon,

Some days ago, they were talking about the case on a local talk show here in NY. Regardless, c'mon, do you really think he was kicked off the team for the fun of it? He's the son of a prominent public figure, and, as such, was probably given more latitude than most.
2008-07-30 @ 10:56
Comment from: ACC Fan [Visitor] Email
Maybe Giuliani was given leeway, maybe not. He probably is a blowhard and deserved to be bounced from the team. I could care less about Giuliani. My point, and the point of the article, is that this dismissal and the corresponding lawsuit has revealed yet more evidence that the Duke athletic administration in general is lacking in professionalism and integrity.

Any coach that wants to single out a player for discipline or even dismiss him from the team should be able to do so - provided he is justified. But NO coach should proceed to pit teammate vs. teammate by calling for a popularity vote on the player in question. Further, NO coach should even be allowed to base his decision to dismiss on that vote - which is what Vincent did, and the AD allowed to happen. As with any scholarship athlete, Giuliani has a contract with the school, and to dismiss that is not to be taken lightly. An appropriate process must be followed and Giuliani will have his day in court to prove that the coach and administration were lacking.

In the end, Giuliani may be a prick and rightfully dismissed, but there is no doubt that this incident reveals further evidence of a simmering war between Duke athletes and the administrators who fail to stand up for them.
2008-07-31 @ 12:09
Comment from: Judge Smails [Visitor] Email
ACC Fan,

I actually agree with you. However, what you lament is the result of a certain phenomenon and isn't isolated to Duke.

We have equality on the brain nowadays and, as such, have lost sight of the importance of just hierarchies and the fact that not every unit of society should be democratic.

My point is that I think the the coach has trouble asserting himself as a true leader should and was, consequently, influenced by one or both of two things. Either he wanted to defer to the democratic judgment of the team, or, more likely, he didn't have the intestinal fortitude to stand on his own decision and wanted the affirmation of the group. Then he could say, "Hey, you see, it's not a bad decision; the team agrees with me."
2008-08-02 @ 13:32

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