![]() |
|
||
Golf lawsuit from Rudy Giuliani's son shows how wacky and screwed up Duke is: Apparently nearly all coach Dukies are self-righteous blowhards
Friday July 25, 2008 | 02:21:08 581 words, 6947 views
Rudy Giuliani’s son is suing Duke because he was cut from the golf team. At first glance, this would seem cause to rip on 22-year-old Andrew Giuliani for being a baby who’s been protected by his father all his life (even if reality and Andrew’s shaky relationship with his dad shows this to be hardly the case). This news probably makes you think that the younger Giuliani is a typical trust fund kid who cannot cope when real world disappointment arrives. It turns out this story deserves a little deeper look though. Because if you look at some of the details from Andrew Giuliani’s lawsuit, it sure looks like Duke has another wacky, blowhard coach on its hands. Giuliani alleges that Duke coach O.D. Vincent III - who replaced the legendary late Rod Myers last June and didn’t recruit Giuliani - gave him a plethora of ludicrous reasons why he was cutting him. These included the fact that Andrew Giuliani once flipped his putter at his golf bag, drove too fast while leaving the golf course parking lot and get this … played a golf team football game harder than some of his teammates on the golf team felt was necessary. What makes Vincent III look worse of all though is Andrew Giuliani’s charge that Vincent III ordered other players that felt Giuliani should stay on the team not to talk to him. And told Giuliani not to talk to anyone on the team either. Is this the coach of a major college program - a grown man as Oklahoma State football coach Mike Gundy would scream - or a junior high school girl? With apologies to many junior high school girls. What gives Vincent III the gall to think he has the right to tell college kids who are going to the same university who they can and cannot talk to during their day? According to Andrew Giuliani’s lawsuit, Vincent III goes on to show more of the type of over-reaching creepiness (minus the alleged sexual harassment element) that eventually got women’s soccer coach Anson Dorrance into trouble at nearby North Carolina years ago. Giuliani states that Vincent III told him that if every other member of the golf team wrote a letter supporting Giuliani being on the team, he’d reinstate him. But if even one teammate declined to write a letter, his dismissal would be permanent. Again, this is a prominent golf coach? O.D. Vincent III sounds like he fancies himself as the Jeff Probst of his own twisted version of “Survivor” instead. There are at least two sides to every story and Vincent III hasn’t told his yet - instead doing the typical spineless coach move of hiding behind a university spokesperson. But however bad you may think Rudy Giuliani’s son looks, Duke is once again far from coming out smelling splendid. Is it a surprise that sports controveries seem to keep happening at Duke? Or is it yet another example of a university that sold its soul to Mike Krzyzewski and the coach is God syndrome that Faker K. produces? It took some guts for Andrew Giuliani to file this lawsuit too. Because of his last name and who his father is, he had to know it would get much more attention than just another NCAA golfer - and that much of that attention would be negative against him. We haven’t seen anything approaching guts from Duke or O.D. Vincent III yet. Then again, with Duke, is that really a surprise? Comments:
Comment from: truthaboutduke.com [Visitor]
Great article! linked to on truthaboutduke.com!
Chris, who are you to rip O.D. a new one? I play on a D1 program that competes against Duke every year. O.D. is a great guy, and I'm sure he has a good reason. There are plenty of kids in D1 golf that should be dismissed from teams, and O.D. finally had enough of a backbone to do it. If the kids really wanted him on the team, where are the letters? There are kids that I dislike on my team, but I would still write that letter for them. He must be extremely disliked on that team for his fellow teammates not to band together and get him back.
Another thing to keep in mind, have you ever heard of an athletic director? Do you actually think that Duke's AD would let these ludicrous reasons for dismissal stand alone? No. If the dismissal was not worthy, Giuliani would have been reinstated. You have a pretty serious opinion for someone who lacks a lot of knowledge about the situation. You might want to think about giving the grown men at the Duke Athletic program a little more credit than Giuliani’s trust fund baby.
I played D1 sports too, and I've been around D1 athletics enough to know that NO student-athlete should ever be dismissed based on a referendum by teammates. The coach controls the program, and he should be justified in his decision to dismiss. He should NEVER leave approval of his decision to the broader team for such an act. If the AD had any backbone, she would have intervened, and would never have allowed the players to influence this decision.
Anyway, this is the third incident in a recent chain of wacky behavior between Duke athletes and the athletic administration. Starting with the the lacrosse scandal where the team sued the school for firing the coach and canceling their season based on the what-turned-out-to-be false accusations of date rape, then the football court case where the administration defended itself for breach of contract with another school by saying that Duke football sucked too badly to matter. It all demonstrates a lack of character and integrity pervasive within the athletic department that stains the institution and its own student-athletes.
You're mixing apples and oranges and are behaving like a leftist. The impetus behind this is not the political correctness that gave us the Duke lacrosse scandal, but a desire to maintain discipline and uphold standards.
It is reported that Andrew Giuliani's behavior has been deteriorating of late, that he has been arrogant, unsportsmanlike and has acted out in fairly egregious ways. You should applaud the coach for holding even the son of a prominent politician to the same standards as everyone else.
http://www.pgatour.com/2007/r/05/11/strickland051107/index.html
I never liked the Vincent hiring. He seemed all too ready to jump ship and leave UCLA for Duke. In turn, the fellow who truly took over for Myers, Brad Sparling, ended up at Ohio State as associate head coach. His wife is from the buckeye state. When Sparling takes over as head coach for Jim Brown at OSU, I'm betting he'll win an NCAA title before Vincent does. Good job on this one, Chris. Smails, who are your sources?
Ron Mon,
Some days ago, they were talking about the case on a local talk show here in NY. Regardless, c'mon, do you really think he was kicked off the team for the fun of it? He's the son of a prominent public figure, and, as such, was probably given more latitude than most.
Maybe Giuliani was given leeway, maybe not. He probably is a blowhard and deserved to be bounced from the team. I could care less about Giuliani. My point, and the point of the article, is that this dismissal and the corresponding lawsuit has revealed yet more evidence that the Duke athletic administration in general is lacking in professionalism and integrity.
Any coach that wants to single out a player for discipline or even dismiss him from the team should be able to do so - provided he is justified. But NO coach should proceed to pit teammate vs. teammate by calling for a popularity vote on the player in question. Further, NO coach should even be allowed to base his decision to dismiss on that vote - which is what Vincent did, and the AD allowed to happen. As with any scholarship athlete, Giuliani has a contract with the school, and to dismiss that is not to be taken lightly. An appropriate process must be followed and Giuliani will have his day in court to prove that the coach and administration were lacking. In the end, Giuliani may be a prick and rightfully dismissed, but there is no doubt that this incident reveals further evidence of a simmering war between Duke athletes and the administrators who fail to stand up for them.
ACC Fan,
I actually agree with you. However, what you lament is the result of a certain phenomenon and isn't isolated to Duke. We have equality on the brain nowadays and, as such, have lost sight of the importance of just hierarchies and the fact that not every unit of society should be democratic. My point is that I think the the coach has trouble asserting himself as a true leader should and was, consequently, influenced by one or both of two things. Either he wanted to defer to the democratic judgment of the team, or, more likely, he didn't have the intestinal fortitude to stand on his own decision and wanted the affirmation of the group. Then he could say, "Hey, you see, it's not a bad decision; the team agrees with me." Leave a comment: |
My Latest posts
Check it out!
Misc |
|||||||||
| Add GolfPublisher.com articles/headlines to your web site | |
| © Copyright 1997-2008, WorldGolf.com, LLC. For questions, comments or suggestions on any of our network publications, Contact Us! |
|