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Steve [Visitor] in response to: Enough with comparing Tiger Woods' new, unfinished Baja coast course to Pebble Beach

Steve [Visitor] — Tue, 21 Oct 2008 03:51:39 +0000

I've been on this property multiple times over the last 9 months and can only say that it is the most spectacular site for golf I have EVER seen or heard of. Tower cliffs, incredible natural features, crashing waves, etc. will make for an AMAZING golf experience. After playing Pebble, Cypress, and many other oceanfront courses, this will be at lest as good if not better. With the ocean views on every whole, 8 holes directly on the water, 5 shots over water, this has the potential to be the most incredible location to date.

Moisés Santos-Mena [Visitor] in response to: Enough with comparing Tiger Woods' new, unfinished Baja coast course to Pebble Beach

Moisés Santos-Mena [Visitor] — Wed, 15 Oct 2008 00:47:07 +0000

Check this page:
http://www.pristinebajahomes.com/UnionTrib.html

Do you understand the concept of Cultural Landscape? Heritage? Public Interest? It´s like building a golf course in Stone Henge, Yosemite, Big Sur or the Grand Canyon...

Brian Flock [Visitor] in response to: Enough with comparing Tiger Woods' new, unfinished Baja coast course to Pebble Beach

Brian Flock [Visitor] — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 08:46:33 +0000

I have personal knowledge of the various development proposals by LOCAL developers before Punta Brava was proposed by Flagship. One of the prevailing plans was a 2,000 unit housing development (compared to fewer than 150 with Punta Brava). Another proposal was hundreds of fraccionamiento lots (i.e. virtually no community or city control) and roads that covered virtually every square inch of the property.

An important context point is that the land has not been a public holding since almost the Mexican Revolution and has been completely private since the 1960's. Mexico's Secretary of the Environment and Natural Resources (SEMARNAT) is overseeing the handling of every shrub on the place during the project. I'm unaware of 25 archeology sites but I do know of one cave that will be wholly protected.

I'm sure we'd all like a piece of such a beautiful place. Alas, even my access to the property will be removed at some point.

Yet I am confident that this project is the most environmentally responsible proposal to the property ever. It will become a new ecological standard for Baja California.

Moisés Santos-Mena [Visitor] in response to: Enough with comparing Tiger Woods' new, unfinished Baja coast course to Pebble Beach

Moisés Santos-Mena [Visitor] — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 01:21:00 +0000

Hello Chris:

you should know that the real name of the site for the proposed development is "Punta Banda" and not "Punta Brava". Does this piece of information remind you of something?? Also, I wanted to let you know that this project has created a lot of social stir here in Ensenada, because the project plans to remove more than 90% of the vegetation destroying a pristine ecosystem of coastal sage scrub and more than 25 archaeological sites in that area (of course, since the project is very exclusive, the rest of the people from Ensenada won’t have access to that cultural landscape anymore). You should also know that according to the Mexican Constitution foreigners are not entitled to have properties on coastal and border lands.
Finally, the area is located on top of a major active geological fault (Agua Blanca fault). Saludos from Ensenada, Baja California.

Ron Mon [Member] in response to: Enough with comparing Tiger Woods' new, unfinished Baja coast course to Pebble Beach

Ron Mon [Member] — Sun, 12 Oct 2008 14:44:47 +0000

John, whose website have you been reading...you like Baldwin? Wow, I know a good therapist to help you recover.

Kiel...don't backtrack...tell it like it is...he doesn't need the alliterative when the a-hole (and the b and c and all the way to z) will suffice.

Let him tell it like he sees it. Why not? Aren't you media types always bitching that you don't get enough from him? If he pulls back and limits himself to less, then what will you write about...Oh, I know, Baldwin's dream girl, Miss Wie.

With that piece of land, it may well turn into CP or PB. Remember that Tiger comes by these prognosticating moments honestly; Earl did a pretty good job on his predictions, except maybe for the Tiger is JesusGandhi one.

John [Visitor] in response to: Enough with comparing Tiger Woods' new, unfinished Baja coast course to Pebble Beach

John [Visitor] — Sat, 11 Oct 2008 23:53:05 +0000

Good article, I like your website!

Brandon Tucker [Member] in response to: Enough with comparing Tiger Woods' new, unfinished Baja coast course to Pebble Beach

Brandon Tucker [Member] — Sat, 11 Oct 2008 04:46:37 +0000

There are really only a finite number of ways to market a golf course, especially one that's not even open yet and more especially one that's going to demand mucho deneiro.

Does Woods say anything about the course being challenging to the low-handicapper yet playable from numerous sets of forward tees for the high-handicapper?

Eli Miller [Visitor] in response to: Enough with comparing Tiger Woods' new, unfinished Baja coast course to Pebble Beach

Eli Miller [Visitor] — Sat, 11 Oct 2008 03:17:49 +0000

Chris,

I agree it's way too early to compare an unbuilt course to a layout as magnificent as Pebble Beach (or Cypress Point, another course Tiger mentioned at his press conference). But I don't think Tiger is the one trumpeting such a statement — just because he's comparing some of Punta Brava's characteristics to Pebble Beach doesn't mean he's saying Punta Brava is as good or better. Obviously, developers might be suited to make such a boast in order to attract customers, but Tiger is respectful of the game and knows better than putting his design work on such a pedestal. After all, none of his three courses are even ready for public play yet.