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Pat [Visitor] in response to: Wie Warriors show little grasp of reality with bet

Pat [Visitor] — Mon, 17 Oct 2005 07:44:46 +0000

By the way, you all should check the stats of each golfer that turned Pro and what their first tournament result was. Michelle Wie's 4th place was better than Annika's and Tiger Woods along with many others. It was listed on tv today, wish I had the list to print it for you all.

Pat [Visitor] in response to: Wie Warriors show little grasp of reality with bet

Pat [Visitor] — Mon, 17 Oct 2005 07:39:14 +0000

Thanks Norman, for listing the stats of the same games Michelle played w/Cramer showing Michelle's lead over Cramers.

People don't consider how "FEW" tournaments Michelle has played in. With her school also, she is not able to play or practice like the others. If Paula Cramer had the talent, she would be in the spot light. If she really had the talent, she would have been endorsed by top companies before Michele Wie. Maybe it is because she has not been as consistant as Michelle from the beginning and did not show as much potential.

Michelle also does her own thing and does not talk bad about anybody. Creamer has made negative statements in the past as to Michelle having all the attention and not them. Michelle is very talented, handles all the negative comments, and listens to everyone trying to make decisions for her future. Michelle still remains independent and holds nothing against all the talk or who talks but says "its good everybody has their own opinion".

Michelle still does what she thinks is right for herself. Howmany 15 or 16 year olds or even adults could handle that and try to be at a competitive level of golf with all the experienced players? Not too many. She is a special girl and deserves all the hype. Even with the disqualification, she is a fighter, she will come back even stronger, just watch!!
MICHELLE WE ARE SO PROUD OF YOU!!!!!

Norman [Visitor] in response to: Wie Warriors show little grasp of reality with bet

Norman [Visitor] — Sat, 15 Oct 2005 15:27:04 +0000

RESPONSE TO GEORGE:

You completely ignored or else hadn't the sense to see the point made in the Padraig v's Vijay case.
The point was that Padraig winning depended on Vijay missing. THAT IS A FACT. Therefore it was out of his control. The point is that this OFTEN happens in golf tournaments. You are depending on someone else to miss. That is why you and Shanks are so wrong about placing all this emphasis on winning every time. All you can do is shoot yourself into contention and then try to play your best. It won't always work out.

PADRAIG HARRINGTON since you mentioned his wins, must have one of the highest 2nd place records ever. HE has finished 2nd on about 30 occasions, so I agree with you about how great her is, but you should have the cop on to admit that he had to shoot himself into contention, about 10 times to win each golf tournament. He has lots of 3rd, 4ths etc.

Therefore you can't dismiss Michelle having shot herself into contention to win on ONE occasion, along with about 15 other women (inc Creamer) who were in the same boat.

Shanks [Visitor] in response to: Wie Warriors show little grasp of reality with bet

Shanks [Visitor] — Tue, 11 Oct 2005 15:14:30 +0000

Amen, George.

George [Visitor] in response to: Wie Warriors show little grasp of reality with bet

George [Visitor] — Tue, 11 Oct 2005 02:18:24 +0000

RESPONSE TO NORMAN...

Regarding the Vijay-Padraig if-is-for-children playoff scenario ...

Padraig H's bio includes the following..

Won his first tournament in 1996,
Had to wait until the 2000 season for his second victory but since then has become more than accustomed to success,
winning twice in 2000,
once each in 2001 and 2002,
twice in the 2003 season and
twice again in 2004 victories in the Omega Hong Kong Open and the Linde German Masters.

Norman, see the key word there? "won".

So your argument linked to whether Shanks would be forced to say that Padraig or Vijay would lack emotional maturity depending on who missed a putt or made a putt in a playoff falls apart. Again.

Padraig has demonstrated emotional maturity by WINNING A PROFESSIONAL GOLF TOURNAMENT.

Got it?

Padraig had already proven himself by winning tournaments in recent years.

That nasty little detail about winning applies to how Paula Creamer has won three professional golf tournaments, including two on the LPGA.

BTW, Norman, is Samsung one of those "good" tournaments you mentioned? I thought somebody said a while back that Samsung tends to have a weak field. Is that the case? Maybe somebody knows for sure.

So if, say, Michelle Wie wins Samsung, does that one count or not count in her totals? I recall how some of the Creamer detractors try to dismiss the Sybase and the Japanese tournament as not being worthy of consideration for suggesting that Creamer is a pretty fair golfer. I think most level-headed folks would see Creamer as having won three pro tournaments, including two LPGA tournaments, this season.

And did some people once call Phil Mickelson the best golfer to have never won a major? So were those people foolishly obsessed with whether Mickelson had WON a particular category of tournament? Could it be that the vast majority of folks out there figure that in pro sports they keep score because they want to find out who WON?

-George

Norman [Visitor] in response to: Wie Warriors show little grasp of reality with bet

Norman [Visitor] — Mon, 10 Oct 2005 21:06:47 +0000

Many people here try to confuse the issue of better player Wie or Creamer.
Here is the undeniable truth for the season of 2005.

In the 7 tournaments they have played together:
Top 10's Paula 2, Michelle 4.
Top 15's Paula 3, Michelle 6.
Finishes: Michelle has finished ahead of Paula 5 times. Paula has finished ahead 2 times.

Pretty overwhelming stats. They speak for themselves.

Norman [Visitor] in response to: Wie Warriors show little grasp of reality with bet

Norman [Visitor] — Mon, 10 Oct 2005 20:23:06 +0000

Good point Paula DOMINATED the field at the Evian and Michelle was in that. Well said. Great week for Paula.

However in most of the other events Michelle beat Paula. Lets not pretend they only played in one event together. They've played together a number of times and Michelle has finished ahead on the big majority of those occasions.

Michelle has had the better year.

By the way, I like the way you always ignore the question.
Give Tiger 20 tournament.
Give Vijay 7 tournaments.
Decide who is better, based on the number of wins? Is this fair?

You cannot answer, simply because you would need to admit that you are wrong.

Shanks [Visitor] in response to: Wie Warriors show little grasp of reality with bet

Shanks [Visitor] — Mon, 10 Oct 2005 15:05:21 +0000

Norman, you keep talking about if, if, if ... but the fact is Creamer won 2 LPGA events and another professional event overseas. In fact, she DOMINATED the field in one of the wins, and that field included Wie. Wie did not win any, period. Not against amateurs or pros.

Creamer had the better year - end of story.