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Comment from: Candace Polski [Visitor]
Not that there is anything wrong with Paula Creamer - far from it! - but you hit the key point that Mr. Deford misses: Wie is a phenom, and brings huge galleries and TV attention, BECAUSE she competes (not just plays with, but COMPETES) against the men.

At 15, she has the ability to puke a 75 on the first day of a tournament, sitting 9 strokes off the leader, and come back to finish second overall. And as you mention, her third second place finish. Tiger was no where close to this good at 15. But that's why comparing Michelle against the women versus Tiger against the men is pointless. Her game is so far beyond what any 15 year old female has had in the past - if she doesn't compete against the men she will be failing to maximize herself.

So sit down, Chris Baldwin, Frank Deford, and all the rest of you Wie bashers. Jennifer has had it right all along - and another incredible display by Michelle proves the point once again.
07/23/05 @ 21:56
Comment from: A. Stephens [Visitor]
Thanks Jennifer for your comments. I'm a little tired of all these people's misguided opinions about Michelle Wie and her accomplishments by comparing to other golfers who are professional and older with more experiences on the greens.

Golf is a game for all and whoever has the most potentials at a young age such as Michelle Wie should be applauded for her goals instead of ridiculing her attempts. The Wie-bashers must have never tried for some high goals in their lives because if they did, they would have understood the words 'persistence' and 'discipline'.

Let Michelle Wie play and enjoy her life.
07/23/05 @ 22:58
Comment from: A. Stephens [Visitor]
Apparently, it takes an Australian sportswriter to recognize how the US LPGA is desperate to fill its rank of American golfers. The recent emergence of young American golfers including Michelle Wie are making the case for the US rank. This is not about nationalistic chauvinism, but why does it take a sportswriter on the other side of the globe to recognize excellent efforts?

In case those unenlightened critics don't realize that Annika Sorenstam retains her Swedish citizenship, even though she lives and works here.

http://www.iseekgolf.com/view_articles.php/5324/4/7646/3/29/101/1/

07/24/05 @ 01:06
Comment from: Jim Coulthard [Visitor]
Michelle Wie is still up 4 to 2 against Paula Creamer in 6 tournaments, and 6 strokes better.

The LPGA is not Michelle Wie's kind. She is not allowed to be a member(age). She and other amateurs are treated with contempt by the LPGA. For the 2nd round at the John Deere, when I clicked on Michelle Wie I at least got her picture. I have yet to see her picture on any LPGA site.

Nancy Lopez once said it would be the worst thing for golf if an amateur won the US Women's Open. Then this year she lectured Michelle Wie telling her she shouldn't talk about playing on the PGA until she beat Anaka. Hopefully we won't hear that any more after Anaka's burnout in France. And by the way, at the US Open when Michelle and Anaka tied, why did everybody seem to think it was a terrible performance by Michelle which left her tied with the best woman golfer in the world.

Oh and let us note one amazing fact. Michelle shot two 68s in the last two rounds at the Evian with her father as caddy. Michelle's father may have been a steadying influence, but in terms of golfing expertise, I rather doubt that he was able to help her very much.
07/24/05 @ 02:55
Comment from: Candace Polski [Visitor]
Exactly Jim! The LPGA has had an aggressive stance towards younger players for as long as I can remember. Nancy Lopez made an enemy out of me when she said that about Jenny Chausiriporn at the Open. Would any PGA member deride a 15 year old who made a playoff at a US Open? No, they would say it's a great story and some great golf the kid played. And Michelle not winning, yet tying or beating the "best woman to even play the game" - I guess she should stick to playing high school events so she can learn how to win! Bah!
07/24/05 @ 04:31
Comment from: John D [Visitor]
BUT, Wie still has NOT Won ! ! ! LOSER ! ! !
07/24/05 @ 05:59
Comment from: Stephen [Visitor]
It's unfortunate that the LPGA and many of its members have begun to come across as peevish shrews when they choose to ignore Michelle Wie or downplay her attempts, or to exhibit a not too subtle delight in Wie's failings. The PGA seems to have more information on Michelle Wie than the LPGA, go figure. The LPGA and those female golfers have done nothing but alienating themselves from the Wie's family.

Mickelson, Els, Couples, and even Norman publicly praised Michelle Wie's talent and efforts. Other than Laura Davies, I don't hear other female golfers had anything positive to say about Wie's attempts, except for their complaints or non-committal comments in case their sponsors are watching them.

I'd think more among the PGA would be upset, instead it turned out to be the whole LPGA (and insecured males).
07/24/05 @ 14:24
Comment from: Candace Polski [Visitor]
John D, start making sense or start posting on the Chris Baldwin shoutfest. Michelle is still a "loser"? I guess Billy Mayfair should hang up his spikes - he hasn't won on tour in years. Yet he has earned over $3million and counting the past three seasons, and is 15th on the money list. But he hasn't won, so I guess he is a loser. He has a fair smattering of top 10 finishes, but he hasn't won, so he is a loser. He is in contention for Ryder Cup and President's Cup considerations for the U.S., but he hasn't won, so he is a loser.

No logic, just mindless adherence to a rapidly declining position. Don't let facts stand in your way though, you keep on shouting. Just do it over on the no-facts-needed Baldwin blog. Th discussion here has been trending to a more reasoned discussion - at least the naysayers *try* to back up their position.
07/24/05 @ 14:48
Comment from: Stephen [Visitor]
Jen,
At least you have a sense of fairness to recognize Wie's efforts and attempts.

I applaud both Creamer and Wie, though I'll root for Wie more only because she's a kid with big dreams who goes after them, besides her talents.

Over the past few years of her young life, she had already experienced numerous cold-shoulders, meanspirited behaviors from the LPGA members, their caddies and relatives, not to mention when one of them was heard saying, "I'm trying to play the game, while dumb and dumber are in the way." A reporter overheard the comment though Wie and her dad refused to repeat what was said. Now we have people (one of them is your colleagues) who hate her whether from bigotry or sexism or both, and the others are envious or fearful that they might not be up-to-snuff as golfers themselves. She kept on playing, competing, trying, and smiling through it all.

I'm rooting for the tall kid with big dreams to succeed all the way.
07/25/05 @ 10:03
Comment from: Tim [Visitor]
You're missing the point -- I think it would have been great if Michelle Wie had won the Publinx and qualified for the Masters, but is she really doing what's best for your overall career -- I think most us who struggle with this great game would say there is not substitute for learning how to win -- Maybe it's unfair to use Tiger as an example because he is unworldly at times, but his path to greatness would be a better model for her...
07/25/05 @ 11:15
Comment from: Candace Polski [Visitor]
See, I don't buy that Tim. How is finishing second three times this year against the best women out there NOT learning enough? Because she isn't coming in first place? So what?

This "learn how to win" argument holds no water in golf. This isn't tennis or basketball, where there are two competitors to each match and one wins and one loses - well, except for match play, but that is a rarity in pro golf these days. And as the Publinx showed, she can play that game pretty well too.

How many young players, male or female, are out there finishing top ten in their high school or amateur tournaments, but not finishing first? Are they all doomed because they aren't "learning how to win"? I doubt it.
07/25/05 @ 13:29
Comment from: Ron [Visitor]
EXCUSES are for losers. Win or lose, at least she has the guts to have a dream and a plan to achieve it. This is from a 15 y.o.!!! Learning how to win? She's already won by going after her dream.
07/25/05 @ 16:45
Comment from: Jim Coulthard [Visitor]
Actually Michelle Wie was winning almost everything in sight in Hawaii--before she came into the national spotlight, and she was playing above her own level even then. She won the women's Publinks at 13, and barely lost in the finals the following year. She won 75% of her matches in the men's Publinks this year.

How good is Michelle Wie? Among all women she has to rank in the top 5 now. Among all American amateurs she is probably in the top 50, and quite likely the best at her age. I believe she can easily be the dominant player on the LPGA. I think she could wind up winning some tournaments on the PGA, although the fact that men mature later than women makes we doubt that she would ever dominate the PGA.

07/26/05 @ 04:22
Comment from: John D [Visitor]
I admit she has won a few MATCHES. AND she won the WOMEN'S Publinks. But the next year she didn't. She has not won an LPGA event nor a PGA event. One win does not constitute a superstar. Nor all the hype and press. How many "One-Hit-Wonders" are there in the LPGA or PGA? How come we don't see and hear all the hype and press about them?
07/27/05 @ 06:57
Comment from: A. Stephens [Visitor]
Jennifer, hope you're having a great time in Hawaii...

I thought this article discussed Michelle Wie's golf adventure quite well. It's not surprising that most Brits understand and appreciate maverick people more readily.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml?view=DETAILS&grid=&xml=/sport/2005/07/27/sgwoma27.xml

I think those adults that can't grasp the concept of life's journey are the ones most upset about young Ms. Wie.
07/27/05 @ 16:08
Comment from: B. Holstein [Visitor]
Well, I guess my question is this.
If Michelle Wie would make the cut in a tournament on the PGA tour, would that satisfy everyone? Does she have to win on the PGA tour? Even if she were to be rated as the number one woman golfer in the world, she would still be just that. The best woman golfer in the world. She (or any other LPGA memeber) will never be able to hold a number 1 ranking on the PGA tour. So I guess I don't see the point. If finishing in the middle is good enough, then go ahead. I would expect several LPGA members could finish in the money on the PGA tour any given week. So what? You won't make a lot of prize money or endorsement money being number 10 or below on the money list.
You know, in a way I wish she would win. It won't change a thing for the rank and file of female golfers, but at least then everyone will shut up about it.
07/27/05 @ 16:25
Comment from: Madelyn M Scholz [Visitor]
Personally, I don't think it matters if Michele Wie is better than Paula Creamer or vice versa. I don't believe she should be allowed on the tour, either LPGA or PGA until she is eligible (age-wise). What happened to the established requirements? Just because a golfer is extremely talented,does that give the tours the right to break tradition? If I could drive a car very well at the age of five, do you think I should be given a driver's license?

And as far as playing on the PGA tour, does that mean that men from the PGA can compete on the LPGA? Wouldn't the women love to have men win their tournaments every week. And again, if Michele is able to make the cut on the PGA tour, she is not of an acceptable age. If she's so darn good, won't it last until she means the requirements?
07/31/05 @ 14:20
Comment from: alan [Visitor]
How is it possible for the second best female golfer in the world not to eligible to play on the LPGA.
Do you just want to give the others a chance until Michelle is 18.
Stats prove she is No2 in the world and that is without winning a single tournament. (check out her results this year and compare to anyone else)
Alan
08/01/05 @ 18:06
Comment from: Greg Pinelli [Visitor]
Wow! Madelyn and John D. should date! If driving a car depended on newspaper exposure...crowd appeal..and television audience then indeed...you should be be able at 5.
Michelle doesn't get invited to these events (PGA..etc)..because people like her..she's invited because she is a novel attraction..and she IS QUALIFIED. The ONLY established requirement in professional golf is---does it make someone serious MONEY! Michelle is bankable. If you had 3 T shirt stands at an important women's event...which stand would you like to have the net profits from...Annika..Paula..Michelle?
For those who keep harping on whether men should be able to play on the LPGA Tour...please note the initials...Ladies etc...the PGA Tour says NOTHING about men!
You women really need to suck it up and stop whining...in 10 years 7 or 8 of you will be playing on the PGA Tour...and you'd better support your sisters instead of bad mouthing them!
08/01/05 @ 21:17
Comment from: Paul W [Visitor]
I have a lot of trouble with the argument that women shouldn't be allowed to play in the PGA because it would somehow hurt the LPGA or mean that men be allowed to play in the LPGA. I've never heard the same argument about the senior tour. Should Greg Norman, Tom Watson, etc. be prohibited from playing in the US Open because they are eligible for the Senior Open and Tiger Woods isn't. Does Greg Norman's entry in to the US Open hurt the Senior tour? Of course not, and neither does Michelle's playing in PGA events hurt the LPGA.
If Michelle Wie has the talent to play with the men, she she go for it.
08/01/05 @ 23:34
Comment from: 2503 [Visitor]
Jennifer - Your comments about Michelle Wie are right on. Let the amazingly talented, bright, articulate, beautiful young lady do her thing. Her presence in the sports world is a great blessing. Sadly, some bash her for their own personal notoriety, but the guy who writes, "Here's the facts" obviously isn't the sharpest crayon in the box anyway. Aloha!
08/02/05 @ 18:02
Comment from: Len [Visitor]
Jennifer you rock!
08/03/05 @ 22:19
Comment from: John D [Visitor]
Madelyn - YOU are absolutly RIGHT ! ! When I watch golf on T.V., I want to see golf. I don't want to see one player or the damn announcer's faces, I want to see ALL the players, EQUALLY. Take the Buick Open on Sunday. Did you watch it? Did you see Tigger? Certainly. Probably about 25% of the time. Now do you remember #14? Tigger's EAGLE. Great shot. Did you see #17? Birdie...Ho-Hum. Tigger leads the PGA in Birdies. Do you know why #17 was the "shot of the day", as announced by the "common-taters"? Because after the ball dropped, the crowd cheered. Tigger put his hand to his ear, as if to say, "I can't hear you." This tactic was deployed for only one reason. Tigger wanted Singh to think something major had happened. Actually, The EAGLE should have been the "shot of the day". The hand to the ear was more like "unsportsmanlike conduct". Wie is one in a million, but there will be a million who think they are #1 because of her. Same thing happened when Tigger came on the scene. The media went Ga-Ga, The public went Golf Crazy (especially the youngsters). Ten years ago, anyone could walk on a golf course and be on the 1st tee with-in 30 minutes. Now you have to call make tee-times, if available. There's no turning back now. Now with Wie on the scene, can you imagine how many more younsters are going to clog the fairways? Only this time it'll be the young, ditzy, blondes, WHO YOU ALL WILL BE COMPLAINING ABOUT, in front of you.
08/04/05 @ 07:09
Comment from: Hoyt Decker [Visitor]
John D wrote: "Ten years ago, anyone could walk on a golf course and be on the 1st tee with-in 30 minutes. Now you have to call make tee-times, if available. There's no turning back now."

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Not really the case, JD, based on NGF's research. Fact is, the golf industry got a major boost when Tiger appeared. But it soon leveled out and by 2000 all the big players in the industry were whining (course owners, manufacturers, travel operators, etc.). The industry as a whole is PRAYING for a Wie payoff.
08/04/05 @ 07:38
Comment from: John D [Visitor]
I did not say it has increased each year since 1995. I agree it had a major boost in 1995 and it did level off. AND IT HAS STAYED THERE! There has been no decline. Get ready for another MAJOR BOOST. Only this time - "Don't complain about the slow, female players in front of you. 'Cause they will be there. And if it is anything like the last "surge", they do not acknowledge "golf etiquette". So, "BE PREPARED."
08/04/05 @ 07:53
Comment from: Hoyt Decker [Visitor]
>"There has been no decline."

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You're just wrong on this, JD. Check the industry statistics.
08/04/05 @ 08:31
Comment from: John D [Visitor]
Yeah, some stats....There has been a dramatic decrease in the S.W. USA. -7.7%. Do you think the record HEAT WAVE has anything to do with that? I'd be willing to bet that the numbers at the end of the year will show an increase overall.
08/04/05 @ 08:47
Comment from: Candace Polski [Visitor]
Wait, so John D's argument is that Wie and her popularity will drive more people to play golf - as Tiger's ascent did ten years ago - and this is a BAD thing?

Talk about your classic Old Boy response. We wouldn't want anyone horning in on Your Grand Game, John. Keep all those women off my course! Especially those blondes, we all know how ditzy they are! Slow, too! (And maybe the Asians too? They're slow, right? Anyone else bother you with their presence on the course?)

Played a round the other day, and the marshal, an old man, rides up to the guys in my group and says "Got a joke for you - you know why only 30% of the people in heaven are women? If there were more, it would be hell!" HAR! What a great joke, and with a player standing five feet away on the red tee, too. Perhaps that was you John? You ever work as a marshal at a course anywhere?

Probably not, but too bad for you John, and that marshal. The train has left the station. Golf has been opened for the hoi poloi. Get used to seeing women in front of you - and likely behind you, waiting impatiently for you to stop looking for your third lost ball and just drop and hit (again) already.
08/12/05 @ 16:12
Comment from: John D [Visitor]
Hey, did you hear the one about the guy who stopped playing, took off his hat and bowed his head, as the funeral procession passed? One of the guys in the foursome complimented the reverence of his partner. The remorseful golfer replied, "It is the least I could do for my wife's funeral."
08/15/05 @ 13:16
Comment from: Brian Carvell [Visitor]
Unlike John D I have no problem with young blondes in front of me on a golf course.I have found the only problem to be their stupid male playing partners who have no teaching ability and often no golfing ability. But I do object to the more common occurrence of 4 moronic guys in front of me taking ten minutes to look for every lost ball and taking 15 minutes to take alternate putts on the green and waiting for the group in front of them to get 300 yards ahead of them when their shots average 150 yards. Michelle Wie, Paula Creamer, and all the other young golfers who are hitting the ladies scene is the best thing that has ever happened to ladies golf.I think it is unfair to compare an amateur and a professsional and I look forward to Paula Vs Michelle at many future tournaments.
08/16/05 @ 19:35
Comment from: Larry T [Visitor]
Yo! my wife is a blonde and will NOT hold up play at any course being a 13 hndicp....nor will the two HS seniors we just played with today...
We men all have good golf days, bad golf days..bottomline:
They came, They saw, They kicked my butt, and bought refreshments afterward.
Lets here it for the GIRLS!
08/09/06 @ 19:12
Comment from: John D [Visitor]
Maybe we could give her a standing ovation for her performance at the Canadian Open? When is the LPGA gonna come to their senses and quit promoting this loser? Now at an amazing 0 and 55 ! ! ! Only weather forecasters can have a performance like that and keep their jobs.
09/09/09 @ 15:16

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