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Comment from: Jim O. [Visitor]
Speaking of Chris Baldwin...I heard he was an extra in that Careerbuilder.com commerical that aired during the Super Bowl...you know the one with the monkies.
03/14/06 @ 19:25
Comment from: Torn [Visitor]
Here is what I know about Coach K.--He looks like a rat, his players make lousy pros, he cries and whines like all the other coaches when he doesn't get every call and he is famous for having what many would label a "God" complex. Does any of this make him a horrible person, I don't think so, but please spare me the Coach K. is a saint routine, I'm not buying that either.
03/14/06 @ 20:29
Comment from: Candace Polski [Visitor]
Baldwin at it again. I like this, he discredits his own Wie bashing blogs so well with his other garbage writings.

Torn, I don't see anyone calling him a saint. I see Jen saying Baldwin is off-base saying he "knows" Coach K, that the Phil comparison is ludicrous, and that Coach K does a lot of positive things that Baldwin chooses to ignore.

As for your points, "he looks like a rat." Wonderful comment. Needs no further discussion. Baldwin-esque.

He "cries and whines...like every other coach." Is this a condemnation of all coaches? Let's do away with them all!

And he has a "God complex." So too does your future heart surgeon, or at least you better hope he does. So is your heart surgeon a bad guy? I have no idea if this guy has a God complex, but I do fail to see how this equates him to a poor sport or an evil person. Or Phil Mickleson, for that matter.

As Bangkok Al wrote in his blog, Lefty isn't such a bad guy. Jen is pointing out the same about Coach K. What's most interesting is that Baldwin just loves to go negative, on Wie, on Coach K, on Phoenix-Scottsdale locals, on Barry Bonds, etc. He is a bad person. He revels in negativity and darkness. He spreads this darkness through his blog.

In short, I think Chris Baldwin is evil. But what do I know? I have never met him...
03/14/06 @ 20:50
Comment from: Torn [Visitor]
Candace--First of all I am a Neurosurgeon and I do not have a "God" complex, in fact possesing the skill and the knowledge to potentially save a human life is a great honor and responsibilty, one which should be treated delicately and with respect. The "God" complex to which I refered is one of the most arrogant and dangerous as people who posses it believe they can not only save life, but actually create it and more dangerously take it away. You would not want your heart surgeon or any other person in the medical field to have this particular complex. You have taken my points(which were in jest) very seriously, so I will respond in kind. Coach K. does indeed look like a rat. I have seen no evidence to the contrary so I will maintain my assertation. By saying that he cries and whines like every other coach I was attempting to be nice and not single him out, but since I'm being honest I will now say that Coach K. cries and whines more then any other coach I have ever seen. He berates officials and sends the all important message to his kids that intimidation and insult is an acceptable form of communication. Finally, Jen was indeed painting a picture of Coach K. that was indeed saintly, in fact it was so wholesome I just saw Norman Rockwell roll over in his grave and puke. I was and am simply saying that there are two sides to every man in many cases more than two sides, coach K. is no different, he seems to posses many wonderful qualities, but he also seems to have some rather distasteful character traits. In short he is much like all of us in this regard. Your hate for all things Baldwin has clouded your judgement and has made you quite bitter in the process. Cheers!
03/14/06 @ 21:12
Comment from: Fred [Visitor]
Torn: I think you need to operate on your own brain.
03/14/06 @ 21:42
Comment from: Brad [Visitor]
Nice comment, Fred. But I think your advice to Torn is redundant. He was already his own cadaver in med school.
03/14/06 @ 21:49
Comment from: Brad [Visitor]
Candace. Please. Torn is a doctor like Anna Nicole Smith is a rocket scientist. You've got twice his brains and ten times his credibility. Don't bother being nice.
03/14/06 @ 21:55
Comment from: Ron Mon [Member] Email
How does this reflect on us? Rather than disect the topics, we instead go on the attack against phantom phellow bloggers. So Torn spelled nEuRoSuRgEoN with a capital N...big whoop-dee-doo. Any coach worth her or his salt is going to argue calls, even the ones that are blatant. That's what separates golfers from athletes and coaches of other sports. We don't try to get something we're not entitled to (unless the rules allow us to do so.) Guys (it's always the guys, never the gals), take a moment to reflect on what you've written before pusing the "Send Comment" button. You'll catch those horrifying capitalization mistakes and you may reassess your words (and heavens, even polish them.)
03/14/06 @ 22:08
Comment from: Torn [Visitor]
Brad, you got me. I'm not a doctor. As you so kindly pointed out, I was not smart enough to get into medical school. I was, however smart enough to learn a little bit about computers. Why should this interest you, well thanks to your smug attitude and condescending tone you have just insured yourself a lifetime of spyware, adware and viruses. Enjoy and remember in the future don't attach your actual email to nasty blogs.
03/14/06 @ 23:53
Comment from: Torn's Father [Visitor]
Torn is my 12 year-old son who is now grounded for the rest of his life. He apologizes sincerly for any threats real or implied and will not be launching any viruses today or anyday for that matter. In fact he is currently failing computer science in the 6th grade so I feel the world is safe from his wrath. He will no longer be typing on this or any other website. I am sorry for any trouble he has caused. He would also like to say that he respects and admires the coach of Duke.
03/15/06 @ 00:05
Comment from: Chris Baldwin [Member] Email
This Mario blog comment byplay is amazing theater. If you believe a 12-year-old is making Norman Rockwell references more power to you.

But back to the reason I'm writing. Jennifer Mario, you, you ... you know my name? Nothing could make a man's heart beat faster.

Blogged you back.

Does this mean we're like two fifth graders with a secret crush on each other who fight by the big tree on the school playground to hide it even from each other?

I know there a lot of complications in both of our lives that make it crazy, but Ron Mon would surely volunteer to perform a simple, touching civil ceremony.

If you needed a Duke-like real world clueless professor presence, Kiel Christianson could show. He'd bring an obscure, but nice gift.

And who's more grandfatherly than Tim McDonald?

This really could work.


03/15/06 @ 03:54
Comment from: Candace Polski [Visitor]
Baldwin has really sunk to a new low. Combining the themes of the two author's blogs, I would say the Baldwin puts the "K" in Klassy.

As for posters attacking each other, or bloggers attacking each other, well, it's easier than actually discussing the topic. Ron Mon put it nicely - what does that say about us, if all we do is hammer each other instead of discuss the topic?

But discussing the topic doesn't make for "amazing theater" I guess. Then again, this topic has always had, at best, a tenuous connection to golf to begin with...and that connection is long since past. No, this is simply a ploy to take advantage of March Madness and the attention it receives to drive traffic to a site that has nothing to do with basketball.
03/15/06 @ 06:43
Comment from: Tim McDonald [Member] Email
I have to agree with Tom on one point: Coach K does indeed look like a rat. I never thought about it until Tom pointed it out, but it's true. Hold up a picture of Coach K beside a picture of a rat. Separated at birth.

He makes some other good points, too: his players do make lousy pros. But, that could also be considered a compliment: how does he come up with all these great teams if few of his players have NBA talent?

99 percent of college coaches cry and whine when they don't get calls. They're just playing the refs.

Same thing with cursing. Has any male -- or maybe female -- out there who played sports at least through high school had a coach who didn't cuss like a sailor? I never did. Doesn't bother me.

As for the God complex, there could be some truth in that, too. I have no doubt Coach K does a lot of great things, but his supporters talk about him like Jim Jones' followers must have. They get all crazy-eyed like cult members. This, combined with his goody-goody ways are often off-putting.

I suspect the truth is somewhere in between, as Tom says.

As for Chris Baldwin, Coach K may be the only one to have the power to do something about Baldwin spreading evil in this world of shadow and darkness.
03/15/06 @ 07:06
Comment from: Brad [Visitor]
Torn, Torn, you wild guy! Viruses and spyware via email, huh? My gosh. Now if you could only figure out how to get me to download them from the remote email server to my computer, you'd be set. Hint: you'd be better off with my IP address.

Ron Mon: It doesn't bother me that Torn spells "neurosurgeon" with a capital "N." My point was that to spell it AT ALL he needed to look it up, and while he was at it . . . . Well, you get the picture.
03/15/06 @ 08:52
Comment from: Torn's Father [Visitor]
Brad--He's 12, of course he looked up the word. Congratulations you have proved that you are more intelligent than a 12 year-old. Only one problem Brad, he's still developing and learning while sadly it appears you have reached the pinnacle of your evolution. Correcting people's grammar and insulting children on a travel golf site. Sad, really sad. I was actually mad at my son, but your response suggests that he was right about one thing. You do deserve a virus, just not a computer one. All insults and further communication can be directed towards me from now on.
03/15/06 @ 11:09
Comment from: Kiel Christianson [Member] Email
Um, just remind me not to say anything critical of K or Wie or pretty much anyone else other than avowed terrorists in any of my blogs. The emotional havoc is bad for my karma.

I would bring a nice gift, though. And I'd wear a tweed tux with elbow patches.
03/15/06 @ 12:59
Comment from: TrinityC [Visitor]
I have enjoyed this blog, but it is really getting silly. Whether or not this "Torn" is 12 or is simply "Torn's Father" under another name, who cares? (PS: great example, guy)

Lousy pros? Don't you all think you could maybe update your insulting stereotyping? Sure, Duke has produced numerous mediocre pros (i.e., Laettner, Parks, Langdon, etc.), but what about Grant Hill? Further, since 1999, Duke has produced excellent pros: remember Elton Brand, Corey Maggette, Jay Williams (pre-accident), Luol Deng, Mike Dunleavy, Carlos Boozer, Shane Battier, Dahntay Jones, Chris Duhon, and the almost-Dukie, Shaun Livingston. With the exception of Hill (for a few years, pre-injury) and (currently) Elton Brand, none of these guys are true superstars (yet), but "lousy"? That tag may have worked in the '80's and early '90's, but no knowledgeable (and objective) sports fan could believe that now.

Lastly, why is this topic even up for discussion? What does a coach in the NCAA have to do to impress some of you? Cussing? OHMYGOODNESS! I also love the fact that many people cling to the "berate" principle: K berates players, he berates officials...what? If you mean "yells at" or "screams at" or "argues with"...sure. What's the point? All do this. In fact, Herb Sendek (coach at NC State) is consistently criticized for NOT doing enough of this during a game...looking expression-less or lacking in passion. But, no one that actually states this seems to follow up any of these silly assertions with facts - names of officials or players (or, hell, anyone) that corroborates these insults. Typical.

Why can't we agree that the man is a good coach, does good things, and is one of the most respected individuals in his profession. He is not a saint. He is not "God" (and I seriously doubt he thinks he is). He makes mistakes. But tearing a man down for his appearance, his lack of "stars" at the NEXT level is simply lazy hatred.
03/15/06 @ 13:09
Comment from: ToddCommish [Visitor]
Put simply, Coach K is a great college basketball coach. He may or may not be a great human being, he may or may not be a great family man, he may or may not be a great developer of pro talent. Those things aren't completely irrelevant, but this discussion isn't going to change the fact that he's one of the five or six best (i.e. most successful) college basketball coaches ever.
03/15/06 @ 14:14
Comment from: Jason [Visitor]
What exactly is the argument on this site? It sounds like everyone is basically in agreement, coach K. is a great coach, who acts like a jerk sometimes. Sounds like a human being to me. I think the 12 year-old/multiple personality case had the best observation when he stated that Coach K. like most others posseses good traits and bad traits. He's just like his players in that regard for every Grant Hill or Shane Battier who seem to be great guys, there is a guy like Christian Laetnner who is a coke head, cheap shot artist. I don't like Coach K. or Duke for that matter, but I RESPECT them. I highlight respect because it seems to be a term forgotten on this site.
03/15/06 @ 15:25
Comment from: Jack [Visitor]
Jennifer,
Anyone who defends K as "classy" is working on the margins of that word's definition. It is not classy to berate officials and players while referring to Duke as "my program." It's egomania. I'm sure the man is nice in person, but the message he sends to kids is that being a total jerk is okay so long as you win.
-Jack
03/15/06 @ 18:39
Comment from: Dylan [Visitor]
Only Elton Brand could be labled an excellent pro player. Corey Maggette left after one year, so he could hardly be thought of as one of Coach K.'s players and he is a bust anyway. Jay Williams had a decent start to his career, but can not be called excellent pre or post accident, all he can be called is stupid for smashing his motorcycle into a tree. Luol Deng is showing great promise, but is far from excellent, or established at this point in his career. Mike Dunleavy are you kidding me, he is servicable at best. Carlos Boozer thrived playing alongside a true talent in Lebron James, signed a big contract and quickly missed the entire season with an injury. Shane Battier has developed into a decent role player, not bad, but certainly not a career worth bragging about from a national collegiate player of the year. If Dahnty Jones and Chris Duhon are excellent pros in your mind that you need to reexamine the criteria you are judging these players by and finally using a player who did not even play for Duke to make your argument is just plain pathetic. In other words, Duke does indeed turn out underachieving pros. If you want to look at stats I'm happy to do that too, but for know I'm going to bed happy to shut the yap of another smug, nerdy Duke fan.
03/15/06 @ 23:19
Comment from: Brad [Visitor]
Dylan:

In light of your comment -- "I'm going to bed happy to shut the yap of another smug, nerdy Duke fan" -- you may want to check out an article from the Chicago Tribune, "Why We Hate Duke" (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/chi-0603150379mar16,1,4639137.story?coll=chi-sportsnew-hed), which includes the following quote:

"Yankee hatred is a good model for Duke hatred," Blythe says. "There's a sense of entitlement, a sense of, `We deserve to win.' You can say, `Well, it's just sports.' But it takes up issues of class and privilege, of rightness and wrongness. Duke hatred allows a great outlet for class hatred."

Just try to get by it, okay?
03/16/06 @ 09:53
Comment from: jb ellis [Visitor]
who is chris baldwin?
03/16/06 @ 12:01
Comment from: Dylan [Visitor]
Interesting point Brad. Only one problem, I happen to live in Greenwich, Ct and I am the upper class. Here's a shocker rich people hate Duke just as much as poor people. Saying that dislike for Duke is a class thing is so unbelievably arrogant it makes me dislike you and Duke even more and yes I hate the Yankees as well.
03/16/06 @ 12:25
Comment from: Brad [Visitor]
Ah, Dylan, I DIDN'T say it was a class thing. I quoted a UNC guy who wrote an entire book about Duke hatred. And mainly, it's about a (false) perception on behalf of other fans that there is a sense of entitlement surrounding the Duke program, a sense of entitlement that seems reenforced by continuous success and a fawning media.

You know, if John Wooden were coaching today and was as succussful as he had been in the late 60s/early 70s, I think you'd be calling him sanctimonious, too.
03/17/06 @ 09:09
Comment from: Dylan get a life [Visitor]
Gee, a guy from Connecticut who hates Duke? How unusual. And you claim to hate Duke because the students are smug and nerdy? How many Duke students do you know personally, that you can make that generalization?

And how do you feel about Harvard, Princeton, Yale, Stanford, Berkeley, or any of the other smug nerdy schools? Something tells me the smug nerds there don't bother you as much. You and all the other UConn fans hate Duke for one reason only: you're jealous. Duke's beaten you one too many times at the buzzer.
03/18/06 @ 04:03
Comment from: Shanks [Member] Email
I have to begrudgingly back Coach K against attack. Take it from an old Terp fan, he is the best in the game. There is not one college in the country that would not take him in an instant. They all aspire to be like Coach K & Duke which, if anyone hasn't noticed, is the new UCLA of college hoops.
03/20/06 @ 09:43
Comment from: Alan [Visitor]
Jennifer, are you done name-dropping or do you need to stroke your ego a little more.
Congratulations, you know someone famous.
03/21/06 @ 23:53
Comment from: Candace Polski [Visitor]
Yeah, Alan, since Baldwin brings up Coach K and discusses how he knows Coach K so well from having covered some events that involved him or his team, it's name-dropping for anyone with a counter point of view to mention that they actually DO know him (or at least claim to know him). Brilliant analysis, and once again highly valuable commentary added to the discussion.

Look at Shanks comment right above yours. See, that's on-point. He establishes his credibility to support Coach K by making it clear he is a Terp fan. (If you don't know why that gives him credibility, then you shouldn't bother posting to this non-golf, college basketball centric blog in the first place.) Or perhaps that's just Shanks "name-dropping" his University affiliation and "stroking his ego" over being a fan of a college team that has won a recent national title.

Ah, why bother. Your posts are as nasty and useless as when Wie is discussed, and you don't even bother to try and couch your curmudgeonly spirit inside a reply that addresses the topic.
03/22/06 @ 07:43
Comment from: dave [Visitor]
I will have to agree with this article, the man does have class and is a real coach.
03/22/06 @ 16:43
Comment from: Dylan [Visitor]
Duke has never beaten UCONN at the buzzer(maybe you are thinking of Kentucky) in fact the last time they met for the national championship in 1999 UCONN beat a heavily favored Duke team. I'm not really sure what's to be jealous of, Duke just got their asses handed to them by LSU and once again fell a little short to an inferior team. Maybe it's the coaching that let them down in the final seconds as they failed to box out after a missed free throw not once, but twice in the final minute. Maybe Coach K. should go back to coaching the fundamentals, as for the jealousy you mentioned I will ponder that as I watch UCONN roll to a third national championship in the last seven years.
03/23/06 @ 22:02
Comment from: Dylan [Visitor]
Duke the new UCLA...Shanks have you broken into Rush Limbaugh's private stash again? UCLA won 10 national titles including 7 in a row. Duke has won a total of 3 national titles in 25 years under Coach K. impressive to be sure, but not in the same ballpark.
03/23/06 @ 22:14
Comment from: Shanks [Member] Email
I'm feelin' ya, Dylan. I did not mean to infer that Duke has won as many titles as those vintage UCLA teams. What I meant was that Duke is now the gold standard against which every other program is judged. In these days of 64 team tourneys and kids leaving early for the pros, what Duke has done is amazing.

03/27/06 @ 14:15
Comment from: Candace Polski [Visitor]
Dylan, you must be a fairly young UCONN fan. Remember Tate George and the full court pass and shot to beat Clemson? They lost the Regional Final to Christian Laettner and Duke when Laettner was a sophomore. Duke's coach changed the play when he saw the inbound passer, Laettner, was uncovered. The pass went right back to Laettner, who took one dribble and a step inside the three point line, double clutched and dropped in the 15 footer to send UCONN back to Storrs.

A brutal end to a great season for the Huskies - that was a team that Husky Nation had really attached to. Probably Calhoun's first legit NCAA run, though I don't know his full history from Northeastern and earlier UCONN years well enough.

Anyway, yes, UCONN did lose to Duke on a buzzer beater by Laettner. UCONN also lost to Duke another year in the tourney prior to the 1999 meeting, I believe, but I can't remember when. Was not a buzzer beater though. Would have to check the NCAA records for that.

As for UCONN rolling to a title - they sure should have. Perhaps Calhoun and K need to swap teams. Calhoun can teach some fundamentals to Duke's team, and K can teach UCONN how to compete with heart or emotion. The field was clear for this Husky team to take home the third title. They really dogged it...no pun intended.
03/29/06 @ 12:51
Comment from: Liam [Visitor]
Excuse me while I break up this Duke love fest, but while people are arguing how classy Duke and it's sports programs are the Duke Lacrosse team is out beating and raping women. Really classy school.
03/29/06 @ 17:55
Comment from: Candace Polski [Visitor]
Well, allegedly raping. And only emailing about wanting to kill and skin people, not actually beating them.

Point taken, Liam, but the issue in this blog was not Duke or Duke lacrosse, it was Coach K. Meantime, as far as Duke is concerned - they have fired the coach of the team (I hear Kansas State is looking for a top lacrosse coach), suspended the student who wrote the email pending a formal review to see if he gets kicked out completely, and cancelled the potential national championship season for the lacrosse team. Not sure what else Duke should do in this situation.

The individuals involved, or possibly involved I should say, are classless in the extreme. But at least Duke is making it clear they won't tolerate individuals with a known involvement in this kind of activity...unlike Fresno State or Cincinatti or UNLV basketball programs, who kept players with clear moral and ethical problems eligible at their school just to play the game. Or more recently UConn with Marcus Williams, for that matter.

But no matter how you look at it, this situation is a big bruise on the Duke resume...
04/06/06 @ 03:15
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