The US Women's Open: will someone get it right?
She won the British Women?s Open last year. She won last week?s Wegman?s. She has seven top 10s and earnings of $650,000 this year alone, $3.5 million overall. She?s sitting at number 7 on the LPGA?s money list?the same spot currently occupied by Tiger Woods over on the PGA Tour. Something tells me that she, along with her thirty-one countrywomen on the LPGA, are here to stay.
So why, oh why, can?t the announcers at the US Women’s Open figure out how to pronounce Jeong Jang?s name?
Granted, it?s not quite as self-explanatory as ?Birdie Kim.? That?s a gimme. But still, it?s not even as tricky as “Liselotte Neumann,” and they tend to get that one right.
Jeong Jang. Jeong rhymes with ?Lung.? Jang with the kind of ah as in ?say ah.? Not a as in apple. And it?s a regular old J sound. Not J as in Jean Valjean from Les Mis (yeah, I?m talking to you, Dan Hicks).
Jeong Jang. Someone get it right.
And don?t even get me started on Se Ri Pak.
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Sorry, but you've got it wrong too.
It's actually supposed to be pronounced:
Exactly as that reads.
At least that's the way, the Korean players pronounce it.
Uh, listen, darlin', this is America, we're under no obligation to embrace foreign pronunciation."
Now that is the statement of a true Globalist.
I once heard the venerable Keith Jackson pronounce "Waianae" and "Punahou" with clean precision - no stumbles.
It's OK if it's your Aunt Margaret, but a responsible network announcer is obligated to pronounce a featured name. No excuses.
I almost always agree with what you have to say, but this time I'm afraid you're mistaken. Either you're mis-hearing the Korean players, or they're trying to somehow Americanize it. Her name is spelled and pronounced with a J.
When I was in Korea last year, Jang was being treated as a local hero after winning the women's British Open. The Korean announcers, news media, and fans pronounced it with a J.
I can also read Hangul, the Korean alphabet, and I assure you that her name, as it is spelled, is pronounced with a J. Where the Y sound you're describing came from, I have no idea.
Chom ma nay o: That is quite alright
Iddio say o: Please come here
Katah say o: Please go away
Judge tan san mati ya: My mind can't comprehend the Judge
Judge mecha soooooo: Judge is really insane
Alex oops sayo: Alex is not here
You're right on some counts Ms. Mario if you tried to translate a Chinese name such as Jeong Jiang (Jang) into Han Gul it would sound as you described it above.
Unfortunately all official records in Korea are recorded in Chinese, hence the corrected pronuctiation. Many Asian countries use Chinese for official records as it has enough characters to cover every requirement, unlike Han Gul that has only twenty-four characters.
I'll give you some examples:
Taegu City for Koreans is known as Daegu
Pusan City for Koreans is known as Busan
Kwang Ju City for Koreans is known as Gwang Gu
JJ is a Korean by birth, but her first and last names are Chinese in origin.
As recorded in ancient Korean history the Ruling Dynasties extended well into Southern China from Korea, so there are many Koreans today with Chinese names.
By the way Judge, being a patriot does not mean ignoring the languages and cultures from around the world. That's called an ignoramus.
You lack the intellectual depth to understand the point I'm making.
Go bake some cookies.
J as in Jeep
a as in hAha!
ng as in siNG
J as in Jeep
u as in EArth
ng as in siNG
I hope that this clarifies.
As for the Korean Alphabet (not characters!), it was invented 500 years ago by the Great King, SeaJongDaeWang. It's is just like English alphabet, only smaller numbers (24 letters). It was created by scientists, comissioned by the king, and considered to be the greatest invention in Korean history.
Enjoy while you can!
If there's anything smaller than your weaner, it must be your gray matter.
We're talking about Korean pronunciation, not Chinese. You're getting the two confused. As one poster mentioned, Koreans have their own alphabets.
Basically, Jennifer's article is correct. Jeong (jung) rhymes with lung.
The word you're looking for is "wiener." Uh, what were you saying about gray matter again . . ..?
Do some research on "weaner" before making a moron of yourself.
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You may say Korean is a vowel rich phonetic system but poor at consonants. This is causing the problem when you try to write and pronounce JJ's name in English.
It seems you're notorious for posting antagonistic posts at other blogs, especially against women, Wie, and people of non-Western cultures, just overall obnoxious and very course.
Yet, as I read them, I noticed that you might be missing some cultural nuances of the English language. Perhaps, you are not an American you pretend to be? What are you? Maybe a high school drop out who is living vicariously in the internet? Do you have a low image of self-concept? Personal inadequacy leading you to lash out at the world? Get some professional help before it's too late.
I'll take your word for it.
I don't know which Korean player I had heard saying it, because at that time I didn't know that many of them. I know nearly each korean on the lpga since then. I've even met some of them which is a real treat, cause some of them are stunning.
Shi Hyun Ahn, a real beauty, along with Grace Park, but thats another story.
Alot of the Korean players have pretty sound English in person. I get very annoyed when commentators interview them and use really complex words and phrases that they would be highly unlikely to understand.
Ai Miyazato is gorgeous too. She is Japanese so probably has no place in this discussion, but oh well.
With that crop of talent, the lpga should flourish.
To go even more off topic. A big well done to Michelle Wie for playing so well at the US Womens Open Championship. Great play.
Under construction maybe.
Pat is also an American and it has been a few years since we had one win an Open. GO PAT BEAT ANNIKA!!!
Annika is Swedish.
By the way, I predict at least a 3 shot victory for Annika.
One-Putt, Annika is a US citizen."
I guess she really played out of turn in the Solheim cups over the years playing for the Euros.
Maybe she should be DQ'd from her past World Cup matches.
What are you talking about?
Annika is most definetely Swedish.
Look at the flag beside her name in the US Open scoring if you are having difficulties with it.
what happens,son, when you let your alligator mouth overload your kildeer a**."
Perhaps we shouldn't be so hard on these Alan Cup competitors. After all, they're just trying to maximize their chances of reaching the very pinnacle of stupidity by letting their creative juices flow.
She has fame, money, talent, looks. Now she just has to win the big one.
Wie will have to wait for Dottie's nod before she wins one...
By the way, perhaps Norman labours (I hope he appreciates the British spelling) under the illusion that the USGA determines citizenship.
On Michelle's putting performance, she was rated 3rd on total putts per round at the US Open. Does this mean that she has suddenly become excellent at putting and was the 3rd best putter out there.
No it does not.
I have tried to explain before to the anti-Wie brigade here that Michelle's high putts per round total was a product of her high green in regulation figure.
The anti-Wie brigade have alot of difficulty understanding, but I will try to explain it again with an example:
- Say Michelle and Annika hit shots to the centre of the fairway. Annika hits her ball on the green to 30 feet. Then she two putts, as is very reasonable for 30 feet.
From the centre of the fairway, Michelle missed the green and lands just beside it. She takes a short chip, and lands the ball at 2 feet. She takes 1 putt.
If this pattern continues in a round of golf, Michelle will likely have many less putts than Annika. Does it mean Michelle is a better putter? No it does not.
So although Michelle came third in putts per round, it does not make her the 3rd best putter. The main reason was because she went from being number 1 in greens in regulation in each of her previous 3 tournaments, to being tied for 18th in greens in regulation. That makes it very easy to lower putts per round.
By the way, her putting did improve a bit. She didn't miss any short putts for instance, but the reason for the big change was the greens in regulation number.
If Michelle goes back to hitting her usual high number of greens in regulation, expect her putt count to increase also.
Okay so lets say Annika is a US citizen. What is your point?
She is still Swedish, and her wins are Swedish wins.
Someone said that they wanted Pat to win because she is an American, and American hadn't won an Open in quite a long time.
After the US Open, with Annika as a winner the reality stays the same, it has been quite a long time since an American won the title.
I am not convinced! MW's putting performance at the US Open was a fluke. I bet she won't repeat it this year and will go back to the usual 32-34 putts per round
I have access to all the stats, and from the start of 2005, she has not had a putt per round stat of 32 or over in any of the lpga tournaments she has entered. That is 12 tournaments.
Her average for the 8 tournament in 2005 was exactly 30 putts per round.
As I said before the putt per round figure is not important anyway unless you take into account the number of green in regulation.
However I just wanted to point out how flawed your figure were in your comment.
I am well aware of your lack of intelligence, but perhaps even you can understand this.
You stated: "Annika is a US citizen".
I stated: "Alex, What are you talking about? Annika is most definetely Swedish. Look at the flag beside her name in the US Open scoring if you are having difficulties with it".
Perhaps you can read that maybe 10 times to try to take it in.
Even you, yes even you, might realise that I did not say that she wasn't a US citizen. Perhaps you should scroll to the original comments just to make sure.
My issue was with the fact that she is a Swedish woman plain and simple. I don't care if she holds citizenships in 20 countries, and I did not deny that she does. My point is that it doesn't matter if she has citizenships in 20 countries, she is still Swedish, she plays under the Swedish flag, and a tournament win for her is a win for a Swedish player.
That is why I asked you what you are talking about, as in, what does citizenship in any country have to do with the discussion of whether an American player has won the US Open the last several times it was held.
In your most recent comment, you accused me of saying that she wasn't a US citizen. Perhaps you would like to admit that you made a mistake in making that claim.
I'm not optimistic on you understanding any of that Alex.
So again I'll try to help:
You said "she is a US Citizen".
I did not deny that. I simply asked "what are you talking about", and explained that she is most definetely a Swedish player playing under the Swedish flag.
In other words, what has citizenship got to do with anything?
I didn't comment on whether she was actually a US Citizen, because citizenship is completely irrelevant and off issue. The country she plays for is the issue.
Maybe you can clear something up for me because there's something I don't quite understand. At what point does someone like Sorenstam become American? After being here five years? Ten? Fifteen? And once you have an answer, I'd like specificity. What month, week and day of that year?
Remember, Norman is competing for the Alan Cup too.
Since you favor putts per gir rather tha total putts per round, we'll see how mw's average will be in the next tournaments. I recall that MW's avg was 1.81 at the nabisco this year, and 1.57 at the women's open. So, yes there is a big difference in putts per gir between past tournaments and the us open. I am sure mw's average will go back to 1.80 and over.
I'd like to compliment you on keeping the same username. I wonder why Under Par felt the need to change his.
I am still unsure as to why you are pursuing the citizenship issue.
The fact is that most of the Korean players who are lpga players will be setting up residence in the US because that's where the lpga tour plays. Are you going to try to claim all those as US players as well?
The topic started as to someone saying that a US player has not won the US Womens Open in some time.
That has not changed.
I changed my username because variety is the spice of life.
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that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic;
that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same;
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and that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God.
Or maybe Alex there is a special dual-citizenship oath I'm not aware of?
The word "attorney" is what is screwing up this great country...coupled with the word "politician"...