Ladies battle at the HSBC Women's World Match Play Championship
Tune your TV to CBS today at 3 o?clock, and watch the ladies battle it out at the HSBC Women?s World Match Play Championship.
We?ve got some classic match-ups going on. Paula Creamer, after defeating last year?s inaugural champion Marisa Baena yesterday 5 and 3, took on Morgan Pressel in Round 3, winning 3 and 1, wrist injury and all. Does this mean Chris Baldwin will start telling us how Paula Creamer is better than Morgan Pressel now, will always be better than Morgan Pressel? Creamer will face Karrie Webb in the quarterfinal matches this afternoon.
Global citizen and US Open Champ Annika Sorenstam, meanwhile, seems to have a grudge against Dear Old Duke. While readers Norman and Alex argued yesterday over whether she was, in fact, an American or a Swede, she was busy squashing Virada Nirapathpongporn, 3 and 2. This morning she whooped on all-American NCAA champ Brittany Lang, shutting her down 6 and 5. Yikes!
And Michelle Wie, meanwhile, just completed a nail-biter of a match against Se Ri Pak. One up, all square, one up, all square, all the way to 17. Wie finally finished Pak off, 2 and 1. She’ll face Brittany Lincicome in the pm.
These are long days. They started teeing off this morning there at Hamilton Farm Golf Club in Gladstone, New Jersey, at 7 am. The winners will turn around and start the quarterfinals at 12:05 this afternoon. Then tomorrow we?ll have both the semi-finals and final matches. Whatever else you can say about the winner of this event, she will have to have stamina.
Keep your eye on the matches here.
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Her stamina is suspect especially as compared to the other top 5 ranked players. Not sure if she has a regular regimen of running (jogging) but we know that the other 4 do.
One might think that stamina is not a problem for a 16 year old teenager but in the pros, 16 or 35 you've got have staying power.
Her lack of stamina became apparent in this mornings round with Se Ri and now, sadly, against Lincicome she looks like she won't survive the quarter finals.
Oh well, another thing that she needs to address as she progresses forward from a 16 year old girl golfer with great potential to a consistent winner on the tour.
When your strength ebbs, you start losing control over your other shots... even the short irons. This lack of control is most apparent when "shaping" your wedge shots into the green.
Lately, her wedge play has been suspect so I guess she made the decision to bombs away. A better strategy would have been to conserve her energy on some of these par 5s and lay up. For the most part, she is hitting 2nd into the greens and she can throttle back or go-for-it depending on what her opponent does. That's her advantage in match play.
Beat by #39 ! ! !
Nobody will buy your fallacious argument that #2 gets beat by #39 so #2 is, really, not #2.
By your reasoning, Annika shouldn't be #1 because she just got beat by #8 in the same tournament.
You should have waited for the last pairing to finish before you opened your BIG MOUTH (err KEYBOARD).
This is the second year in a row that Annika has lost on Saturday afternoon. I wonder if she has the type of energetic swing that makes it hard for her to go two rounds in a day.
Maybe Annika should be # 9 and Wie-Wee should be # 40 ! ! !
Now, if you really want to make a valid point, lets talk about what you and JS always claim for your reasons to bash and trash the kid.... namely the "HYPE" that you use as your platform.
Go after the hype machines. Last time I looked, she is still a minor, not able to sign any agreements, not in control of the "HYPE" you claim to dislike so much.
So, why is it easier to trash her than it is to go after the real culprits, namely the media, the sponsors and people like you that really do dislike her but use the "HYPE" as your crutch to beat on her?
Or don't you have the cojones to be honest about your venomous attacks?
DL--Don't forget that Morgan Pressel was going to go to Duke. 20 year old Brittany Lincicome is also a long hitter--but she has been working on something of a shoestring budget. Her advantage is that she has been able to be full time for over a year. If Michelle becomes a serious college student, she will be conceding that advantage to players who are younger than she is. Michelle has already dropped out of the top academic track in high school to concentrate on golf. I certainly am not going to assume that she will be spending four years as a full time college student.
She is not anywhere near a finished product yet, but if you have any sense at all, you have to admit that telling everyone since she is now a pro, she can perform like a 36 year old multi title winner. That is beyond reasonable and worse than anything the most rabid fans can come up with.
No, the Wie trashers get beyond reasonable and I really feel that a fair number of them border on the obsessed. Some I would be downright worried about as potential stalkers. Just go read some of the sports and golf Discussion boards to see what I mean.
And these are all apparently adult???
You must have a favorite among the lady golfers and because of what you say about them we should take to denigrating you and the golfer.
We're (at least I am) trying to offer some suggestions where Michelle can improve her game. I'm willing to listen to what you both have in a way of suggestions for improving any of the other pros golf games. Maybe, even, some good ideas for Michelle too.
That hurt, Ouch.
AhhSoo, Alex has no idea what anyone else is doing, all he can see is an opportunity to belittle, denigrate and attach derogatory titles to someone that is probably a far better person than he is. Ignore him.
Jennifer, Amazon says your book is on it's way. It's in the hands of the post office *shudder*. I'll be lucky if it arrives in a readable condition, lol. Definitely looking forward to reading your ideas on the young lady and her career to this point. Hope your taking notes, there'll be lots to add to that volume, lol
Go back to your regular sunday programming now, folks. Alex will regale you with his infinite and useless anecdotes and disinformation about Ms. Wie.
The floor is again yours, Oh learned little snake buddy.
I must admit ALEX knows how to close a deal. Be sure to set yourself a ridiculously easy challenge like predicting Michelle will finish 2nd or lower at the John Deere. I guess he was too chicken to take the risk of predicting Wie would finish 3rd or lower in this year's John Deere. Of course he didn't come right out with the fact that he was making such a pathetic prediction. No, he had to predict she wouldn't win any full field stroke play event in July, making it seeem like he was predicting a loss in a women's event--when in fact she would play only limited field events for the rest of July.
Come on Alex. Are you willing to make any stronger prediction than that.
Sorry... I did promise that you would have the last word but I'm still ROFL!
Michelle came close to making the John Deere cut last year. But even with Michelle's length, I consider that to be quite a bit harder than winning on the LPGA. Put me down for wins at the Evian and the Weetabix. And while I hope to be wrong, put me down for a missed cut at the John Deere.
The only way Wie-Wee will make the cut at John Deere is if the sorry Wie supporting members of the PGA throw their qualifing rounds to let Wie-Wee in.
I find it interesting that Michelle Wie was criticized for not conceding a putt when she was behind--when I heard the announcers saying other players should concede nothing when they are behind. Admittedly, the latter comments were made later in the round--but it still seems to me that a player who is two up would be a lot happier just to halve hole 6 than a player who is 2 down.
There were some statements in this blog about Michelle Wie being tired due to hitting the ball harder and not being able to keep it up over 36 holes.
I don't agree with that. They play those rounds in about 70 strokes or so. Many of them strokes, maybe 30 or so are putts. So there really isn't that much swinging going on out there.
Professional golfers take many multiples of the number of swings before the round even begins, so please don't be worried about a tiredness factor from swinging the club. Also in out of tournament practice, many hours can be spent, swinging again and again. Not like in a tournament where there are really very few swings in a round.
So that was sort of enjoyable for the Wie-bashers, in saying, hey that's not an excuse.
I wonder if Alex enjoyed that post.
She is a better player than last time out. At that stage she would have needed her very best form to make the cut.
She has improved to the point, where she can actually afford a couple of mistakes and still make it, and that gives her a much better chance.
By the way, I also predict her 3rd round score to be not so good, just as Tiger's wasn't when he first made a pga tour cut. But her 4th round will be okay.
Looks like a lot of people who need to read that book, "All I Ever Needed to Know I Learned in Kindergarten" are posting here again.
What a display of smallness. I see Baldwin's title (no point in reading his blatherings) keeps the fires of hatred burning as well.
And the Dwellers of Darkness, Alex, UnderSmails, and John D chief among them, quickly fill the webspaces with their usual hate mongering and vitriol. Point me to your last positive posting, will you? You three are the opposite of what mothers tell their children - you only say something when you have something nasty to say.
Vampires, drawing your energy by sucking on the blood, sweat and tears of a young woman. An apt literary reference would be the Salem's Lot, Hearts in Atlantis and Dark Tower definitions of inhuman characters. Stephen King readers recognize the Low Men when they see them.
Do you use these blogs as an outlet to keep from beating your wives and children? If so, keep it up. That would be the only positive to come out of you three Wise Men in this forum.
Just for you Candace !!!
Free speech is not something you earn with wins, it is something that everyone has a right to enjoy. When you lose a match like the one Wie lost, you do not want to give an interview. If you must give an interview your main concern is to safeguard your confidence. Tiger can afford to insult his putting or the like when he does well, but not well enough to win. Michelle has not yet won on the LPGA. Without such wins, and with a large segment of the golfing world sayhing she cannot win, and quite possibly never will win, Michelle Wie is doing a kind of damage control in every interview working hard to hold onto her belief that she can win--and will win quite soon. If a losing athlete is not given the courtesy of being allowed to say nothing, that athlete by her very willingness to talk in such a situation has earned the right to make the kind of comments that Michelle Wie has made.
Certainly Michelle Wie has at least as much right to make the comments she makes as Morgan Pressel had to make the comments she used to make abour Wie.
I find the interviewer's questions to be in extremely poor taste.
Think about it. Suppose Michelle had won the match and it had been her opponent who said she had bad breaks--and then in her interview it hsd been Michelle who said she didn't see any bad breaks. Would you still say it is the loser's and not the winner's statement that is in bad taste?
I am willing to see the major fault with the interviewer and not with Brittany--but my view is that a player who wins a match and then basically calls her opponent a liar is the one who is showing poor taste and poor sportsmanship, not the player who says she had some bad breaks.
I was not attempting to excuse Wie's comments. There was nothing wrong with those comments so there was no need to excuse them. There is nothing wrong with a losing player talking about a lot of bad breaks--but specifically praising the good play of her opponent.
As far as the Williams sisters are concerned, when Serena was dominating women's tennis I am quite certain that statements like the ones you referred to would have been entirely true. Do you have some problem with a person of color telling the truth?
Back to the WILLIAMS sisters. I think the issue there is the way they treated others and they way they expected to be treated themsleves. If they gave no quarter to others with brutally insensitive comments, but alos expected no quarter from others naking no objections when brutally insensitive comments were directed their way--then there would be little basis for complaint. If instead they expected a great deal of sensitivity from others, and acted with such sensitivity to others--again there would be no basis for complaint. If, however, they demanded a sensitivity from others that they did not show in their dealings with others--then the situation is entirely different.
After Morgan Pressel's comments about Michelle Wie in last year's Sports Illustrated, Michelle Wie is still willing to treat Morgan Pressel as a friend, at least publicly. There has been not public outrage from Michelle Wie over such treatment from either Morgan Pressel or others. Indeed, Michelle Wie supported the right of peiple like Morgan Pressel to say the things they did because she is a believer in the freedom of speech. If there was any insensitivity toward Brittany in Michelle's comments, Michelle has proven she can take the insensitive comments of others at hundreds of times the intensity of anything you might read into her comments after a tough loss. EXCUSE ME, MICHELLE WIE HAS EARNED THE RIGHT TO EXERCISE FREE SPPECH WITHOUT THE PC POLICE LOOKING OVER HER SHOULDER TRYING TO FIND A HINT OF SOMETHING THAT MIGHT SEEM HURTFUL TO ANOTHER PERSON.
Gof/Golf fan... Your statement shows you know as much about golf as Martha Burke did when she suggested moving the Masters from Augusta..."
The PGA should start distancing themselves from Augusta until they change their draconian policies on women.
(By the way, nice try John, though your purpose in the pseudo-positive posting was quite clearly to toss a few more negative comments toward Wie out there.)
In general, Ford, you and JR, among others, are Wie critics, but you don't resort to mindless slash-and-burn tactics the way the other three and some of their cheerleaders do. Constant derogatory nicknames from Alex, UnderSmails over the top misogyny (of course, calling him a misogynist means I am a hairy legged feminist warrior - a laughable concept to anyone who knows my political bent), and John D's third grade taunting do nothing to advance debate or consideration of the issues that you and other Wie critics correctly bring up for discussion. They are designed to inflame and defame, nothing more.
The amazing thing is the staying power of the three of them, and that's what led to my post labeling them bottom-feeders of human achievement. Positive fanaticism makes sense - you are reveling in something that you like, and that makes you feel good. But these three are only interested in the negative, the badness, the failure to achieve. To celebrate the empty half of the glass indicates to me that they either have other issues they work out here, or that they truly enjoy other people's failure to reach grand heights. In this case, a pretty 16 year old young woman's failure to completely dominate a professional sport.
I think there is plenty to debate about Wie, but the nasty faction that dominates these blogs and this website (Baldwin and McDonald are literally unreadable for me, and have been for some time now) make rational discussion impossible, and make reading this site like a walk in a minefield.
Anyway, an overly long reply. Alex will be sure to comment on that, or on some typos or grammatical mistakes. Another lawyerly trick of his - work the edges to make the witness seem less credible. Ignore the facts when they don't help you, focus on what can undermine the other side regardless of merit. Amazing that he doesn't identify with Clinton - he went to the WJC School of Debate and Obfuscation.
If you want to discuss actual issues about Wie, I am all for it. Fire away. I will attempt to ignore any posts from the Dark Trio that intrude in between.
... cant we all just get along :-)
We have to express our views at a 3rd grade or less level, so that YOU can comprehend the facts. So far, that is obviously not working. I'm not sure we can digress to a lesser level, to a point where it would help you understand the truth about Wie-Wee, and her failure thus far, and why she should not be competing on the PGA tour when she hasn't even won in the LPGA ranks.
Part of her learning to play is learning how to win. That comes with junior golf. Part of dealing with adverse weather is playing and practicing in it.
Personal experience, at the Texas State several years ago, the girls played in termperatures which during the heat of the day was in excess of 120 heat index. The kids all walked and carried their clubs. No caddies. Not one kid quit. The kids got ready by being out in the heat all the time and properly hydrated, besides in shape. (My kid won it twice in a row). Two years ago at the NCAA's the collegiate girls playing with snow and sleet coming down in Oregon. (My kid played on top 20, D-1 team there). She knows what it takes to be a champion, and Wie doesn't have it... Suppose Princess would be out there, no way! But she needed to be. Part of her junior learning experience.
Nike is going to be able to get with Gatorade now and do a commercial regarding proper hydration qand turn this into a success story, get Keith Jackson ready... If it was the blessed time of the month kicking in, it should have happend at an LPGA event. Bright side B.J., more money for Princess.
Absolutely Sick of Wie and her primma donna parents NOW, even more!!!
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