Ladies battle at the HSBC Women's World Match Play Championship

Good effort by Wie. Those people who claim that Wie needs to learn to win, please just shut up. Match play against Pak is more nerve-wracking than final hours of any other tounament.

visitor, Just in case you haven't noticed, there were SEVEN other ladies who won their matches this morning. If Bubbles wins her next three matches, THEN you'll be able to say she knows how to win, and she'll have the title, the trophy, and the winner's share of the purse to prove it. Wie Warriors, please try to contain yourselves! It ain't over 'til it's over!

Not all opponents are equally strong in each round. Pak is a proven champion and a lot more seasoned than wie. That's my point.

Certainly Michelle Wie knows how to win matches. Each match resembles a final round in a stroke play tournament, at least to some extent. Michelle Wie has been able to close out 3 opponents so far. She has also eaten up the par 5's, which is something she had not been doing.

Observing Michelle over the past year or so, I noticed a pattern emerging with her play. She tires on the 3rd & 4th days of tournament play or on the 2nd 18 holes of a 36 hole day.

Her stamina is suspect especially as compared to the other top 5 ranked players. Not sure if she has a regular regimen of running (jogging) but we know that the other 4 do.

One might think that stamina is not a problem for a 16 year old teenager but in the pros, 16 or 35 you've got have staying power.

Her lack of stamina became apparent in this mornings round with Se Ri and now, sadly, against Lincicome she looks like she won't survive the quarter finals.

Oh well, another thing that she needs to address as she progresses forward from a 16 year old girl golfer with great potential to a consistent winner on the tour.

In track sprinters tend to be younger while the events that require more stamina tend to be the province of somewhat older athletes.

Here, Michelle's advantage is hitting the 4 par 5s in 2 and this means swinging with all of your power for 8 shots. This saps her energy and ends up as a disadvantage in the later rounds.

When your strength ebbs, you start losing control over your other shots... even the short irons. This lack of control is most apparent when "shaping" your wedge shots into the green.

Lately, her wedge play has been suspect so I guess she made the decision to bombs away. A better strategy would have been to conserve her energy on some of these par 5s and lay up. For the most part, she is hitting 2nd into the greens and she can throttle back or go-for-it depending on what her opponent does. That's her advantage in match play.

AhhSoo.... I dont agree with your argument. First off, MW is only 16... lot's of energy there... sounds like you're trying to make excuses.

Wow is # 2 really deserving of being #2? I think not ! ! !

Beat by #39 ! ! !

John D, I take it that you're being facetious or just throwing "red meat" out here to cause a ruckus.

Nobody will buy your fallacious argument that #2 gets beat by #39 so #2 is, really, not #2.

By your reasoning, Annika shouldn't be #1 because she just got beat by #8 in the same tournament.

You should have waited for the last pairing to finish before you opened your BIG MOUTH (err KEYBOARD).

36 or almost 36 holes in one day is fairly rare. If Michelle Wie is never able to hold her form that long it isn't that big an issue. But I am sure she will be working on her stamina.

Not sure what MW can do to train for her stamina. She is a full-time high schooler studying to attend Stanford. Golf is still a extracurricular activity. Until she finishes college, which is at least five years from now, I doubt she will have the time to fit a jogging regimen into her training.

I tell you, you Wie Warriors have more excuses than Bruno Hauptmann. But the one I like best is the old, reliable "she's only 16 years old!" She's also an esablished PROFESSIONAL and has been one in actuality for about three years. I'll say this much for you Wie-wee's, you are not easily deterred in your faith in Earrings. I mean, you cats are LOYAL! Now I will sit back and wait for some really rabid Wie-nut to say that "she can beat you, Alex" or some such other nonsense. Maybe "what did you do when you were 16?" or "she has more money than you have!" You know, some really germane arguments. Come on,you Wie-men, you can do it!

I don't think trying to reach par 5's in two is an issue. Doesn't she try to put the same energy into all of her swings with the distance depending upon the choice of club. But if she does have a more energetic swing she will tend to tire more easily whatever she does.

This is the second year in a row that Annika has lost on Saturday afternoon. I wonder if she has the type of energetic swing that makes it hard for her to go two rounds in a day.

AhhSoo;


Maybe Annika should be # 9 and Wie-Wee should be # 40 ! ! !

Actually, when it comes to your arguments or "points", Alex, there is no reason to even answer. The only thing you ever have to say about MW is always to denigrate her.
Now, if you really want to make a valid point, lets talk about what you and JS always claim for your reasons to bash and trash the kid.... namely the "HYPE" that you use as your platform.

Go after the hype machines. Last time I looked, she is still a minor, not able to sign any agreements, not in control of the "HYPE" you claim to dislike so much.

So, why is it easier to trash her than it is to go after the real culprits, namely the media, the sponsors and people like you that really do dislike her but use the "HYPE" as your crutch to beat on her?
Or don't you have the cojones to be honest about your venomous attacks?

I was wondering when Alex would weigh in with his sensitive comments. If Alex wants to play games with the term "professional" and say Wie has been one in actuality for 3 years, then I can see nothing wrong with her supporters saying that she is not one in actuality until she finishes school--indeed, the term semi-pro has been used to describe professionals who were not full time athletes. For Wie this means school rather than a job.

DL--Don't forget that Morgan Pressel was going to go to Duke. 20 year old Brittany Lincicome is also a long hitter--but she has been working on something of a shoestring budget. Her advantage is that she has been able to be full time for over a year. If Michelle becomes a serious college student, she will be conceding that advantage to players who are younger than she is. Michelle has already dropped out of the top academic track in high school to concentrate on golf. I certainly am not going to assume that she will be spending four years as a full time college student.

putt4par... the "Hype" that you mention is out of her control but is always shoved down our throats... The reason that I am not a big MW fan has nothing to do with her but with all of her fanatic fans... it's always, "she's the best golfer in the world" yet when she loses and then it's, "she's only 16". Once the MW fans become realistic, then folks might take everything else in stride. I mean, who in their right mind makes statements like, "MW is a better golfer than Annika" this was posted at the end of last year. or how about... "she's the best but she cant practice because of school"... what a load..... or how about during the USOPen qualifying when the golf channel was stating things like... "she came so close to making that putt... or what a great try that was..." Yes, MW has a very good golf game and will become a winning star someday. It's just all of the excuses or "reasons" that her fans keep spouting that is a turn-off for many folks. Sorry for the long rant...

John D, your latest comment is, certainly, thought provoking... for hyenas. Must use the acronym now... can't help myself... ROTFL and I'll "give you the last word" while I have the last laugh.

Ok, fair enough JR, but why trash her? Trash the fans if you like. I agree that there are those that go ove the top, but for cripes sake, have the cojones to go after the hype-ers not the kid.
She is not anywhere near a finished product yet, but if you have any sense at all, you have to admit that telling everyone since she is now a pro, she can perform like a 36 year old multi title winner. That is beyond reasonable and worse than anything the most rabid fans can come up with.

No, the Wie trashers get beyond reasonable and I really feel that a fair number of them border on the obsessed. Some I would be downright worried about as potential stalkers. Just go read some of the sports and golf Discussion boards to see what I mean.

And these are all apparently adult???

Scary.

Alex & JR, no one is making excuses for her losing today. She got beat by a better player. Could be that Lincicome, #39, goes all the way like Baena did last year. As far as the other stuff about the HYPE from the Wie Warriors (Media too)... what's so wrong with that? They're her fans.

You must have a favorite among the lady golfers and because of what you say about them we should take to denigrating you and the golfer.

We're (at least I am) trying to offer some suggestions where Michelle can improve her game. I'm willing to listen to what you both have in a way of suggestions for improving any of the other pros golf games. Maybe, even, some good ideas for Michelle too.

putt4par... I don't trash MW... some do. as you mentioned, there are those on both sides that are really over the top. When it all comes down to it, I like to read the blogs for entertainment. It's just like I mentioned before, I think MW will be a winning star someday... it's just that sometimes we don't get the chance to enjoy her progress because of outlandish statements by some fans. Some of the comments have almost been as outrageous as when Martha Burke suggested moving the Masters from Augusta..... I don't mind the needling that goes on here. It's just that every once in a while I feel the need to post something.

JR, Don't expect the Wie fanatics to give an inch in their defense of the Lanky One. They're too emotionally invested in their darling. Many times on these blogs they have been adamant in their insistence that Bubbles is FAR BETTER than Woods was at the same age. Sometimes they say she is just an average teenage girls at heart, full of adolescent exuberance. But now she is exhausted, lacks stamina, and needs training in roadwork. But she doesn't have time because, get this, she's a full time high school student in training for her stellar career at Stanford. And besides, Golf is just an extracurricular activity for her. One Wie-nut says she is still a minor (would that be a 16 year old minor?) and can't even make any contracts, while another crackpot says no, she's her own woman and is marching to her own drummer and making all her own decisions. Which is it? But according to several of these delusional characters, she won't need to win anything EVER because soon she will be in the $100 million per year category in endorsements. Yes, some mentally deranged Wie Warrior actually predicted that on these boards. JR, it is hopeless to even try to convince any of these loonies of the folly of their ways. I'll just sit back and read the lunacy. Look at it this way: Where else can one get this kind of entertainment at such a reasonable price?

Oh Ahh-Choo,

That hurt, Ouch.

Alex, watch your blood pressure.

Alex, JR has some very valid points, many of which I agree with. It's guys like you that make such outrageous statements with really nothing more than a need to belittle and ridicule others. Probably from your childhood as a seriously spoiled and wilfull child.

AhhSoo, Alex has no idea what anyone else is doing, all he can see is an opportunity to belittle, denigrate and attach derogatory titles to someone that is probably a far better person than he is. Ignore him.

Jennifer, Amazon says your book is on it's way. It's in the hands of the post office *shudder*. I'll be lucky if it arrives in a readable condition, lol. Definitely looking forward to reading your ideas on the young lady and her career to this point. Hope your taking notes, there'll be lots to add to that volume, lol

visitor, Just a few days ago I was chatting with a young (21) Army infantryman who did a lot of recon around the dangerous suburbs of Baghdad. I could connect with him because a long time ago, I did some similar duty. I always figured that that sort of experience was certainly the most stressful that any human being could ever have. But now I am told that a night patrol in a hot zone is nothing compared to a day in the life of Bubbles. Why, she can't even cry or throw a temper tantrum! How inhumane! My advice to the Earringed One is go ahead and have a good cry. You're only 16 and it will make you feel better. visitor, Does Oprah know about you?

Ok, I had my fun belittleing Alex. Sorry Alex, couldn't resist, lol.

Go back to your regular sunday programming now, folks. Alex will regale you with his infinite and useless anecdotes and disinformation about Ms. Wie.

The floor is again yours, Oh learned little snake buddy.

putt4par, It seems as though there are many things that you can only imagine. One is surely proper spelling. It's spelled "diarrhea".

yes... you guessed it, I can't type very well.... that should be "here is her" rather than "here is here"
ooops....

JR, The way Bubbles is forever failing to "close the deal", she had better become an expert at making excuses. I found her post-defeat interview humorous but offensive at the same time. I got a kick out her saying that there were a lot of her putts that could have dropped but didn't. What a brilliant observation! Bubbles has it all figured out. If you don't make putts, you lose! Wow!

Alex, I am sorry that your life experience has made you so bitter. What else can you do other than picking on others' spelling? If I spent as much time and brain as you do on searching out every blog about Michelle Wie, I wouldn't have time to do something meaningful for the society. I guess retirement CAN be so bad for some folks.

visitor, Your altruism is commendable. Just what is it that you are doing for society that is meaningful? By the way, my constructive criticism seems to have helped. Your spelling has improved. Way to go, visitor! Who is it that's retired?

Michelle Wie closed the deal in 3 out of 4 matches this weekend--equalling Annika in that department. Alex is just mad that Michelle didn't lose in the 3rd round--I think he said it would be an embarassment if she didn't make the final eight, so he must be kicking himslef now that he didn't say the final 4. Oh, no, I forgot, Alex likes to forget anything that is inconvenient for him to remember. Oh, by the way, Alex has a daring prediction coming up this week. After the US Women's Open, he predicted that Michelle wouldn't win any full field event on any tour in July. Her only such event is coming up this week on the PGA at the John Deere.

I must admit ALEX knows how to close a deal. Be sure to set yourself a ridiculously easy challenge like predicting Michelle will finish 2nd or lower at the John Deere. I guess he was too chicken to take the risk of predicting Wie would finish 3rd or lower in this year's John Deere. Of course he didn't come right out with the fact that he was making such a pathetic prediction. No, he had to predict she wouldn't win any full field stroke play event in July, making it seeem like he was predicting a loss in a women's event--when in fact she would play only limited field events for the rest of July.

Come on Alex. Are you willing to make any stronger prediction than that.

Bless you John D. That must have been some big sneeze for you to go "That hurt, Ouch." Maybe rattled a few of those old rib bones ehh?

Sorry... I did promise that you would have the last word but I'm still ROFL!

Jim C, You're absolutely correct. It takes no courage to predict that Bubbles won't win any tournament she is in. That would be akin to predicting that day will follow night. So I will make a definitive prediction as concerns your darling. Bubbles will NOT make the cut in the John Deere. Period. Now, what is your definitive prediction as concerns Bubbles in the John Deere? And don't give me any of the old "if her putter is working she will have a chance" or "if the wind blows too hard it will affect her game" or any of that other tripe her bootlickers have in their trick bags. Come on, Jim C, give forth your words of wisdom. Tell us, will Bubbles make the cut in the John Deere? And if she does, where will she finish?

Hey Alex, I'll make a prediction for Michelle in the JDC: She makes the cut and ties 55th or higher on Sunday. Mark it down ole buddy.

ALEX

Michelle came close to making the John Deere cut last year. But even with Michelle's length, I consider that to be quite a bit harder than winning on the LPGA. Put me down for wins at the Evian and the Weetabix. And while I hope to be wrong, put me down for a missed cut at the John Deere.

AhhSoo, Or is tha AssHole?

The only way Wie-Wee will make the cut at John Deere is if the sorry Wie supporting members of the PGA throw their qualifing rounds to let Wie-Wee in.

John D--On second thought, there is a realistic chance that Michelle Wie will make he John Deere cut, and so I am changing my prediction to say that she will do so.

Jim C, That's quite a trifecta you have going with Bubbles as the wheel horse. She makes the cut at the John Deere and then WINS both the Evian and the Weetabix? If you can parlay that proposition into parimutuel wagering somehow and win, you'll be set for life even if you live to be 100. Bear in mind that you are stating that Bubbles will accomplish three things in succession, none of which she has ever accomplished before. That is a really big order. Did you like the Titanic over the iceberg?

I think that was what happened and the cause of the trouble back then. If you recall it was the Titanic over the iceberg.

I think Juli Inkster will hold up the trophy today. She's got the strength of mind after defeating Annika Sorenstam and she's tough under pressure.

In her interview yesterday, Michelle Wie talked about bad breaks on some of her putts. Dana Gross-Rhode then asked Lincicome--She(Wie) said she played well, but got some bad breaks.

Dana Gross-Rhode then aksed Lincicome--Would you agree with that? I consider this type of questioning after Michelle was kind enough to answer Dana's questons earlier to be highly unethical for a reporter. I also don't like Dana's trying to stir up trouble over some concessions and non-concessions back on hole 6.

I find it interesting that Michelle Wie was criticized for not conceding a putt when she was behind--when I heard the announcers saying other players should concede nothing when they are behind. Admittedly, the latter comments were made later in the round--but it still seems to me that a player who is two up would be a lot happier just to halve hole 6 than a player who is 2 down.

Mr Coulthard... do you have the URL for the Lincicome interview? All of the interviews I have read attribute her with basically saying, "... what bad breaks, I didn't notice any...." Also, could you expand more on the conceeded putts.....

Something nice for the Wie-bashers.

There were some statements in this blog about Michelle Wie being tired due to hitting the ball harder and not being able to keep it up over 36 holes.

I don't agree with that. They play those rounds in about 70 strokes or so. Many of them strokes, maybe 30 or so are putts. So there really isn't that much swinging going on out there.
Professional golfers take many multiples of the number of swings before the round even begins, so please don't be worried about a tiredness factor from swinging the club. Also in out of tournament practice, many hours can be spent, swinging again and again. Not like in a tournament where there are really very few swings in a round.

So that was sort of enjoyable for the Wie-bashers, in saying, hey that's not an excuse.

I wonder if Alex enjoyed that post.

By the way Alex, I predict that Michelle will make the cut at the John Deere Classic.

She is a better player than last time out. At that stage she would have needed her very best form to make the cut.

She has improved to the point, where she can actually afford a couple of mistakes and still make it, and that gives her a much better chance.

By the way, I also predict her 3rd round score to be not so good, just as Tiger's wasn't when he first made a pga tour cut. But her 4th round will be okay.

Norman, That's what I like about your predictions, you're so precise. Her third round score will be "not so good", but her fourth round "will be okay". Man, this is getting absolutely hilarious!

A disappointing but reasonable outing for Wie. Made the final eight at the top women's match play event. Solid showing, but not a win. She definitely needs to work on her post-round interview techniques - but then, so did Tiger. His comments after wins and losses at a later stage in his career that Michelle is at now were amazingly inappropriate. He has learned how to handle the media and his interviews, and so will Wie. Meantime, speaking of not knowing how to play nice with others...

Looks like a lot of people who need to read that book, "All I Ever Needed to Know I Learned in Kindergarten" are posting here again.

What a display of smallness. I see Baldwin's title (no point in reading his blatherings) keeps the fires of hatred burning as well.

And the Dwellers of Darkness, Alex, UnderSmails, and John D chief among them, quickly fill the webspaces with their usual hate mongering and vitriol. Point me to your last positive posting, will you? You three are the opposite of what mothers tell their children - you only say something when you have something nasty to say.

Vampires, drawing your energy by sucking on the blood, sweat and tears of a young woman. An apt literary reference would be the Salem's Lot, Hearts in Atlantis and Dark Tower definitions of inhuman characters. Stephen King readers recognize the Low Men when they see them.

Do you use these blogs as an outlet to keep from beating your wives and children? If so, keep it up. That would be the only positive to come out of you three Wise Men in this forum.

"His comments after wins and losses..." when speaking about Tiger Woods hit the nail on the head. The key is after wins, Tiger offended people with his habit of grading his game when he was playing well and not so well. The point is he earned the right to make these comments because he had won with his best game and his C game. Michelle has not earned the right to make these type comments because she has not won with any of her games A, B, or C. She also seems to be picking up the troubling habit of making excuses after her rounds for her failures or shortcomings. When she wins she can talk about all the bad breaks she got, until then ahe should keep her mouth shut. She could actually learn something from Tiger and his post rouns interview style, as he is actually brutally honest in his assesment of his own game and never offers up excuses. I hope this humble opinion does not put me in the category of darkness dwellers and soon to be pedophiles and wife abusers. Candace, you need to enlist the help of your collegues and get some help for you're obvious anger issues--I suspect you were the victim of abuse at somepoint in your life and while I am sorry for you and whatever hardships you have had to endure in your life---I must clearly state that questioning Michelle Wie does not make one a domestic abuser, vampire or any other evil-doer you have mentioned.

I think I'm going to like Brittany Lincicome. After being asked if she has any plans to play in the PGA, like Wie-WEE, she commented: "If you're not No. 1 on this (LPGA) tour, you don't need to go to another tour. So after I dominate this one, maybe I'll try it, but it's definitely not anywhere in my future."

Just for you Candace !!!

The intgerviews were just the interviews on the official LPGA site. The ones after the quarters with Lincicome and Wie. Click interviews and then 3rd round and quarter notes.

FORD

Free speech is not something you earn with wins, it is something that everyone has a right to enjoy. When you lose a match like the one Wie lost, you do not want to give an interview. If you must give an interview your main concern is to safeguard your confidence. Tiger can afford to insult his putting or the like when he does well, but not well enough to win. Michelle has not yet won on the LPGA. Without such wins, and with a large segment of the golfing world sayhing she cannot win, and quite possibly never will win, Michelle Wie is doing a kind of damage control in every interview working hard to hold onto her belief that she can win--and will win quite soon. If a losing athlete is not given the courtesy of being allowed to say nothing, that athlete by her very willingness to talk in such a situation has earned the right to make the kind of comments that Michelle Wie has made.

Certainly Michelle Wie has at least as much right to make the comments she makes as Morgan Pressel had to make the comments she used to make abour Wie.

Jim C, What? Could you repeat that, please.

No one is questioning her right to make a statement... it's the poor taste of the statement she made that folks are irritated with.... as far as interviews goes, MW is sounding very similar to the Williams sisters of tennis... After they lose their matches, it's usually followed by something like... well, I'm a much better player than she is, she just played way over her head, or .... I haven't been feeling good all week... I hope that MW learns what not to say. That will make it more enjoyable for everyone.

JR

I find the interviewer's questions to be in extremely poor taste.

Think about it. Suppose Michelle had won the match and it had been her opponent who said she had bad breaks--and then in her interview it hsd been Michelle who said she didn't see any bad breaks. Would you still say it is the loser's and not the winner's statement that is in bad taste?

I am willing to see the major fault with the interviewer and not with Brittany--but my view is that a player who wins a match and then basically calls her opponent a liar is the one who is showing poor taste and poor sportsmanship, not the player who says she had some bad breaks.

It is my belief that any athlete who loses and makes the statements that are attributed to MW is doing so in poor taste. The interviewer's questions is not the issue... it's the answers provided by the interviewee. It seems as if you are trying to blame the inteviewer rather than MW... I thought that line of thought was reserved for politics...

I take issue with the line of questioning that the interviewer used with Brittany Lincicome and was using that to excuse Lincicome's poor taste in her response to the question about the "bad breaks" Wie had during the round.

I was not attempting to excuse Wie's comments. There was nothing wrong with those comments so there was no need to excuse them. There is nothing wrong with a losing player talking about a lot of bad breaks--but specifically praising the good play of her opponent.

As far as the Williams sisters are concerned, when Serena was dominating women's tennis I am quite certain that statements like the ones you referred to would have been entirely true. Do you have some problem with a person of color telling the truth?

Attention Wie skeptics! Keep in mind that Jim COULTHARD, the most prolific poster on these blogs, has made the bold statement that Bubbles will not only make the cut at the John Deere, she will also WIN both the Evian AND the Weetabix. Now,such a prediction means one of two things. Either Big Jim is privy to some inside information, or he is terminally delusional and is in need of some intense and immediate psychotherapy. Either way, his next of kin should keep a close watch on him.

Alex. Thank you for your concern. When a lawyer expresses his concern for you, it is a good idea to hide your valuables. I am not so delusional that I would trust the good intentions of a lawyer.

Back to the WILLIAMS sisters. I think the issue there is the way they treated others and they way they expected to be treated themsleves. If they gave no quarter to others with brutally insensitive comments, but alos expected no quarter from others naking no objections when brutally insensitive comments were directed their way--then there would be little basis for complaint. If instead they expected a great deal of sensitivity from others, and acted with such sensitivity to others--again there would be no basis for complaint. If, however, they demanded a sensitivity from others that they did not show in their dealings with others--then the situation is entirely different.

After Morgan Pressel's comments about Michelle Wie in last year's Sports Illustrated, Michelle Wie is still willing to treat Morgan Pressel as a friend, at least publicly. There has been not public outrage from Michelle Wie over such treatment from either Morgan Pressel or others. Indeed, Michelle Wie supported the right of peiple like Morgan Pressel to say the things they did because she is a believer in the freedom of speech. If there was any insensitivity toward Brittany in Michelle's comments, Michelle has proven she can take the insensitive comments of others at hundreds of times the intensity of anything you might read into her comments after a tough loss. EXCUSE ME, MICHELLE WIE HAS EARNED THE RIGHT TO EXERCISE FREE SPPECH WITHOUT THE PC POLICE LOOKING OVER HER SHOULDER TRYING TO FIND A HINT OF SOMETHING THAT MIGHT SEEM HURTFUL TO ANOTHER PERSON.

Jim C, Are you getting paid by the number of words in your posts ?Man, you are getting verbose and LONG.

Coulthard... color has nothing to do with it but apparently it IS on your mind.... I was speaking of the actions of a person(s). Ya know, reading all of the blogs can cause a man to lose his patience. On the other hand, it is good training for tense situations. Once again, this is all about an athlete (MW), whining about losing... it doesn't sit well with me when it's MW, Terrel Owens, Bill Lambeer.. the list could go on and on....

I think a good definition of bad sportsmanship is the dislike of a whining loser. Disliking a whining loser is no different from kicking a man when he is down--or in this case a girl when she is down. You want to see Michelle Wie trotted out for public humiliation every time she fails to win a tournament and you are outraged that she isn't crushed each time she fails to win a tournament, no matter how well she performs.

Wie Rocks. Wie generates more interests and blogs by herself than all the LPGA players combined. Only Wie can bring male golf fans to the LPGA. Why? Because she has one of the sweetest swings ever, period. Just look at the cottage industry of male golf bloggers at Travelgolf who make a living bashing Wie. Pathetic, if you ask me. Most of these bashers don't even take themselves or their criticisms seriously. They are just being pissers, lol. How else would they get anyone to read their dumb blogs? Unlike Mario or Shanks' blogs, they really add nothing... no insight or even any info. I am perfectly happy to wait two years for Wie's first win, if that is the case. She will still be the youngest winner in the annals of golf. Keep trying and making fools of yourselves, bashers, lol.

About other LPGA players trying for PGA, besides Wie. They are welcome to try, but they will most likely embarass themselves and they know it. They are few LPGA players who can drive long but they are still short by the PGA standard. More importantly, they don not have all the necessary shots that PGA players have. And while there are some short hitters in the PGA, compared to the LPGA players, they are extremely accurate and have great short games. Great rounds by Lincicome and she deserves recognition for her well-earned victory. Anything more is premature. Didn't Marisa Baena win the HSBC Open last year. Did that make her the best player on the LPGA that year?

Gof/Golf fan... Your statement shows you know as much about golf as Martha Burke did when she suggested moving the Masters from Augusta...

"Comment from: JR [Visitor]
Gof/Golf fan... Your statement shows you know as much about golf as Martha Burke did when she suggested moving the Masters from Augusta..."

The PGA should start distancing themselves from Augusta until they change their draconian policies on women.

You misread my mood, Ford. I am not angry. The constant and pointless negativism from UnderSmails, Alex and John D doesn't anger me. It, to steal Senator Lieberman's pathetic tone from his failed VP candidacy, "saddens me". It's mildly depressing to see these useless, acidic, nasty comments tossed about. But don't worry, I am not clinically depressed, so no treatment needed.

(By the way, nice try John, though your purpose in the pseudo-positive posting was quite clearly to toss a few more negative comments toward Wie out there.)

In general, Ford, you and JR, among others, are Wie critics, but you don't resort to mindless slash-and-burn tactics the way the other three and some of their cheerleaders do. Constant derogatory nicknames from Alex, UnderSmails over the top misogyny (of course, calling him a misogynist means I am a hairy legged feminist warrior - a laughable concept to anyone who knows my political bent), and John D's third grade taunting do nothing to advance debate or consideration of the issues that you and other Wie critics correctly bring up for discussion. They are designed to inflame and defame, nothing more.

The amazing thing is the staying power of the three of them, and that's what led to my post labeling them bottom-feeders of human achievement. Positive fanaticism makes sense - you are reveling in something that you like, and that makes you feel good. But these three are only interested in the negative, the badness, the failure to achieve. To celebrate the empty half of the glass indicates to me that they either have other issues they work out here, or that they truly enjoy other people's failure to reach grand heights. In this case, a pretty 16 year old young woman's failure to completely dominate a professional sport.

I think there is plenty to debate about Wie, but the nasty faction that dominates these blogs and this website (Baldwin and McDonald are literally unreadable for me, and have been for some time now) make rational discussion impossible, and make reading this site like a walk in a minefield.

Anyway, an overly long reply. Alex will be sure to comment on that, or on some typos or grammatical mistakes. Another lawyerly trick of his - work the edges to make the witness seem less credible. Ignore the facts when they don't help you, focus on what can undermine the other side regardless of merit. Amazing that he doesn't identify with Clinton - he went to the WJC School of Debate and Obfuscation.

If you want to discuss actual issues about Wie, I am all for it. Fire away. I will attempt to ignore any posts from the Dark Trio that intrude in between.

One-Putt... are you upset that you haven't been asked to join??? You sure do like to throw out the buzzwords...

One-Putt... you do realize that Augusta is a private club and they are within their rights to regulate their membership. This blog is supposed to be about golf...let's not get into politics because then things can quickly turn......

... cant we all just get along :-)

One-Putt... the more that I think about it the more I get upset about your comparing the membership practices of Augusta National and the uterly harsh and cruel way of life so long ago. I think that you have had much too easy of a life to make such irrational comparisons. It makes me wonder if you truly understand how truly great you have it here in US. This whole thing is nothing but bravo sierra.......

Hey, Cantdice, here's a FACT for you WIE has not won, so that makes her a looser!!! Just like you!!! FACT.

Can'tDance Polski, Are you trying to tell me that you aren't a hairy-legged warrior? Okay, in the absence of any proof to the contrary, I'll take your word for it. My feeling toward the LPGA and women's golf in general is similar to that of Judge Smails. The LPGA and its management are at best third-rate. Vis-a-vis the PGA or even the Nationwide tour, the players can't drive, their irons are suspect, and their putting is atrocious. They play on short courses with wide fairways and skimpy rough, with easy pin placements and simple greens, and still have trouble with par. An interesting prospect, one which we'll likely never see, would be the exercise in futility that Bubbles or some other ditzy female would exhibit if the unthinkable would occur and one of them would make a PGA tour event cut. The weekend pin placements would bring these darlin's to tears. Women do have a place in this world, but the golf course just isn't it. Staying home, changing diapers, cleaning house, cooking meals, and being a dutiful wife to a provident husband are some of the places where women excel. But of course, CP, if you'd rather remain a hairy-legged warrior, feel free to suit yourself.

Candice:

We have to express our views at a 3rd grade or less level, so that YOU can comprehend the facts. So far, that is obviously not working. I'm not sure we can digress to a lesser level, to a point where it would help you understand the truth about Wie-Wee, and her failure thus far, and why she should not be competing on the PGA tour when she hasn't even won in the LPGA ranks.

In case you missed it, they just took the Pampered Pineapple Princess off on a streacher with an IV in her arm in the ambulance.

Part of her learning to play is learning how to win. That comes with junior golf. Part of dealing with adverse weather is playing and practicing in it.

Personal experience, at the Texas State several years ago, the girls played in termperatures which during the heat of the day was in excess of 120 heat index. The kids all walked and carried their clubs. No caddies. Not one kid quit. The kids got ready by being out in the heat all the time and properly hydrated, besides in shape. (My kid won it twice in a row). Two years ago at the NCAA's the collegiate girls playing with snow and sleet coming down in Oregon. (My kid played on top 20, D-1 team there). She knows what it takes to be a champion, and Wie doesn't have it... Suppose Princess would be out there, no way! But she needed to be. Part of her junior learning experience.

Nike is going to be able to get with Gatorade now and do a commercial regarding proper hydration qand turn this into a success story, get Keith Jackson ready... If it was the blessed time of the month kicking in, it should have happend at an LPGA event. Bright side B.J., more money for Princess.

Absolutely Sick of Wie and her primma donna parents NOW, even more!!!

Why are you so bitter? It's not like Michelle Wie is taking away anything from your daughter. It's great that your daughter is doing well and she will get her chance at the headlines. The exposure that Michelle Wie gets is more than she needs and I feel sorry for her. I don't understand why being proud of your own daughter makes you feel resentful about Wie and her parents.