Please. This is getting old. Now the whiney one has felt the true heat of being completely outclassed and it was that heat that got the better of her.

It would be amazing to me if someone who grew up in Hawaii had a problem with heat exhaustion. The hi in Honolulu yesterday was 87 degrees and the average for the day is 88. But then again, apparently, there are no bugs in Hawii either.

I'll give Michelle the benefit of the doubt and wish her a speedy recovery.

All the talent in the world can't compensate for demons between the ears. Unfortunately, I think she's quickly beoming acquainted with a few. And, if I hear one more person say "let's not forget she's only 16"...no one could possibly forget; we're reminded several times during any discussion.

Let the Wie Bashers come out with their crap.

It shows them for what they are.

Michelle aquited herself very well in the 2nd round. She played to hole 8 in even par, despite being in obvious discomfort. She could barely even keep up walking with her playing partners, and sat down at any opportunity she got.

She is true class, but sometimes it's better to take the medical advice.

It's interesting that the Wie Bashers have been showing their level of class on this and your other blog Jennifer.
Let them continue to show what they are made of.

Another WASTED exemption!!!!

Countdown to the inevitable Baldwin/McDonald bashing of Wie...

T-minus 4 hours and counting...

Wanna make a prediction on whether or not Wie-Wee will recover in time for the LPGA Open?

Go ahead - push your luck.

Maybe she'll start to pack a bottle of "fake puke" in her bag for a more realistic effect.

Gentlemen, gentlemen, (and I use the term loosely), your jealousy is showing. And it's not pretty. It's time to go back into your double wide. Note that she is the FIFTH player to withdraw. If some guy withdrew with the same symptoms, would you be complaining? Of course not. And of course, to further explain it to you, that means that FOUR other players dropped out before her, and they were all MEN? Several have complained of the combination heat and brutal humidity. The idea of criticizing her for this, when she was clearly acquitting herself well (better than many players with penises) is just absurd. Sadly, it's not surprising. Grow up.

Gosh, I feel so... cheap.

The AP report says "The temperature Friday afternoon was 88, with the sun and humidity making it feel as if it was five degrees warmer. Wie teed off shortly before 2 p.m. CDT, and appeared fine for the first four holes. But Shnurman said she began feeling sick before the round, and got worse as the day went on.

"We've had several cases of heat-related illness, but mostly spectators," Shnurman said. "We haven't treated any other players with this type of condition."

In other words, none of the penis-laden players succumbed to the heat. Only the estrogen-handicapped Wie collapsed, emotionally, physically, and golf-ingly.

Side note: The AP article was written by someone named Nancy Armour, who might be a man, but I doubt it.

Side note 2: This blog claiming that Wie was the "fifth player to withdraw from the John Deere Classic" was written by Jennifer Mario, who might have an ulterior motive to sugarcoating Wie's failures (i.e. a BOOK). My guess is that she's the fifth person EVER to withdraw from the John Deere, but Mario's insertion of that ordinal into her blog is an overt attempt to fool the reader into thinking that four others dropped out of THIS iteration.

I thought a "Champion" had to win something? So far, Wie-Wee has failed to make any cuts on the PGA and has no wins in the LPGA for that matter. No, I don't see any "Champion" material there.

Todd, you guess wrong. Wie is indeed one of five players of this year's John Deere Classic to withdraw (to date). The other four are PGA Tour pros Jonathan Kaye, Pat Perez, Andrew Magee, and Steve Lowery. No reasons have been given for their WD's.

Yeah, but your implication was that the others all WD due to the heat, which is clearly not the case. Lowery's reason for WD is the most obvious... Wie was beating him. If the others turn out to be heat-related, I'll apologize to you here.

I don't see where I implied any causes for their WDs. The only implication I made is that she's not the only one to withdraw. It happens.

Call me amazed. Just read the press release. It was heat exhaustion. Lived in Florida, Texas, California, and been to Hawaii......I don't get it.

Jennifer, there is no justification for the type of slurs and accusations that these "gentlemen????" are posting here.

What a sad demonstration of their right to comment.

As for Tim in his blog..... I don't believe that he has a medical degree, is possibly thousands of miles away from her and yet he has diagnosed her and made recommendations already.
Practicing medecine without a license, no less. Even "???Journalists???" such as he is??? should be barred from prescribing. He isn't even fit to be called a clown.

Seems to me her caddie probably had it worse on a hot day like today. How many caddies withdrew today?

I just said this on Micky D's blog, but my first thought was that it was stress-induced. Of course, that may not be the case, but I wouldn't be surprised. She has often felt the "heat" in competition, and her repeated inability to do what she has billed herself as being capable of may be causing some deep emotional distress.

By the way, Jenny, you could have "scratched that last post" after Thursday's round.

What took ya so long, girl?

Tiger in an interview after the PGA Championship last year.

TIGER WOODS: "You know, I hear guys all the time saying I'm tired after playing 18 holes. How could you be tired after playing golf? You should never be tired playing golf. It's just 18 holes. I think that's how I treat golf; it's a sport, it's not an activity. A lot of people do; they are not in shape, they don't take it seriously. But I came from a different background. I used to run track and cross-country so that's a different background. I had to be in shape and I had to run all the time. That's kind of my mentality."

Can we stop comparing Wie to Tiger now? Please?

I thought a reasonable medical assessment is due so I'm adding my comments on a golf blog. Heat exhaustion is a real physical illness. People who live in humidity can cope with the combo heat and humidity far better than those who come from the dry heat season. My relatives from California and Hawaii no longer comes East during summer time because invariably, someone would be physically sick. California has dry heat, the mid-West, southeast and along the East coast are notoriously humid and hot during the summer.

Anne......If you think Hawaii is dry heat, then you need a reassessment of your medical credentials.

The dew point in Moline at the time M.W. walked off the course was virtually the same as it was in Hawaii at the same time. The temperatures were only a few degrees off. Plus as I recall, she just came from spending the last month on the east coast.

Is acclimated a term you are familiar with?

It is pretty sad that Wie's parents, Nike, the media, certain tournaments and Wie herself have placed her in this position. It is clear that she is not ready or deserving to be in the position that she is in. She and those around her have decided to make her a professional. As a result, she must be subject to the scrutiny and criticism that accompanies that status. Professionals in all fields are required to produce without excuse. Being 16, the heat, just trying is admirable are all excuses and irrelevant. With all due respect to Ms. Mario "The Making of a Champion" seems to be at best premature and at worst ludicrous. Can you imagine champions like Martina Navritilova, Tiger Woods, Michael Jordan, Annika Sorenstam or Nancy Lopez being carried off on a stretcher because of the heat? We saw the champion Jordan respond in the NBA finals. Again, while Wie herself is partially to blame, there is more than enough to go around including to those who would thrust the "champion" label onto her. What a sad, sad, state of affairs. I too hope that there are better days ahead but have seen many more instances of exploited child celebrities ending sadly.

Wierdos unite!!!!!!!!!

Your not going to put up with anything resembling honest assesment, are you?

Let's see a little foam in those mouths warriors

The year is 2016 and Miss Wie has just failed to make the cut in a PGA event for the 42nd time. She was quoted as saying "Well, I thought I really played awesome today except for the three out of bounds and the four three putt greens." "I feel that my game is almost there...I only have a few things to work on."

NWS Zone Forecast neophytes:

HOT AND HUMID CONDITIONS WILL AFFECT THE AREA SATURDAY THROUGH WEDNESDAY. AFTERNOON TEMPERATURES ARE FORECAST TO BE IN THE MID TO UPPER 90S THIS WEEKEND...AND ALONG WITH THE HUMIDITY...HEAT INDEX VALUES MAY REACH 105 TO 110 DEGREES. ALSO...DUE TO THE HUMIDITY...
NIGHTTIME TEMPERATURES WILL LINGER IN THE 70S ACROSS MUCH OF THE AREA...PROVIDING LITTLE RELIEF FROM THE DAYTIME HEAT. EXCESSIVE HEAT CAN BE DEADLY...BE PREPARED TO KEEP COOL AND HYDRATED.

There will be a few more withdrawing this weekend folks with 95 degree temps and 90 percent humidity (This ain't Hawaii weather).

"Comment from: Visitor [Visitor]
Anne......If you think Hawaii is dry heat, then you need a reassessment of your medical credentials.

The dew point in Moline at the time M.W. walked off the course was virtually the same as it was in Hawaii at the same time. The temperatures were only a few degrees off. Plus as I recall, she just came from spending the last month on the east coast.

Is acclimated a term you are familiar with?"

Is Trade Winds a term you are familiar with strange Visitor from another Universe?

I'm getting a case of jock rash just thinking about that Midwest weather. Thank God I live in Hawaii with the TRADE WINDS. Say WOWWIE for Maui.

Smokin' a little too much of that Maui Wowwie and Kona Gold, one-putt? Don't roll it in your jock. It causes delusions.

"Comment from: Doug [Visitor]
Smokin' a little too much of that Maui Wowwie and Kona Gold, one-putt? Don't roll it in your jock. It causes delusions."

I wouldn't know Doug, but I will take your word for it based on your own experiences.

I forgot the space in between Wow and Wie. She is our Home Girl after all.

I think MW in the PGA Tour is getting overboard. She should stick to the Men's Hooters tours; Asian tour or Canadian Tour in addition to the LPGA. When she grows up into late teens/early 20's; then dabble on the PGA. Too much, too soon right now. Daddie Wie seems worried now, hopefully he'll wake up to reality and see that patience is a virtue worth having; and that 16 is just too young regardless of talent.

Michelle withdrew, big deal. She was not going to make the cut, so who cares. She had no business being there in the first place. This entire conversation/argument is not worth waging. Michelle does not have the game or the stamina to compete on the PGA tour.

Hey, Jennifer Mario:

Are you a liar?

Or do you just not bother with inconveniences such as fact-checks?

Or do you deliberately try to twist the truth with carefully-placed phrases?

Or are you just a lousy writer in need of remedial English?

You said:
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[Wie] just became the fifth player to withdraw from the John Deere Classic—at +2 after nine holes, she left the course in obvious pain and apparent nausea, and was taken to a hospital.
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But reality, according to AP, was:

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We've had several cases of heat-related illness, but mostly spectators," said Dr. Benjamin Shnurman, a physician and tournament medical staff volunteer who treated Wie. "We haven't treated any other players with this type of condition."
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Which are you, Jenny? Propogandist, illiterate, or bozo?

I suspect you don't have the courage to reply.

One wonders how accurate your book is.

-George

Hey, One-putt, take a gander at the following.

"We've had several cases of heat-related illness, but mostly spectators," said Dr. Benjamin Shnurman, a physician and tournament medical staff volunteer who treated Wie. "We haven't treated any other players with this type of condition."

Can you assimilate this simple piece of information, Putty?

You guys actually believe what the AP reports? There really is no help for you.

Heat index today at John Deere 113 degrees. Forecasted heat indexes for Saturday and Sunday 119 degrees.

Of course this would be nothing for the Hard Cases of the Wie Haters to deal with. They would play until they dropped dead. I'm glad Michelle, her parents and the Doctor they met with on the field had better sense than you guys.

The Doctor may not have met with the other players who withdrew thus was ignorant of the reason they left play. One guy had carded a 70 in the first round and another a 72, so I don't think it was bad play that made them leave the field.

Comment from: Doug [Visitor]
Smokin' a little too much of that Maui Wowwie and Kona Gold, one-putt? Don't roll it in your jock. It causes delusions.
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Yeah, and I heard it stunts the growth of your pecker.

Everybody, just stop taking a pop at Michelle. She's only 16 for godsake.

It's hard not to realize the pressure MW is under when reading all these posts...like David says, she's only 16. Most people her age wouldn't be handling all this as well. That being said, I think her 'handlers' have made some serious mistakes along the way. If she keeps losing or dropping out of events, her mental game won't develop to the point where she goes in expecting to win every time like Tiger.

Putty,

Congratulations! To the best of my judgement, you're inching ahead in the Alan Cup Competition. Now the AP is spinning the news about heat related illness on the golf course for the purposes of painting Bubbles in a bad light. That's precious. Alex, please ensure that the committee is apprised of this gem.

Of course, some would point out that there are a handful of withdrawals from every PGA event and that they seldom, if ever, involve heat related illness. But, oh, yes, I forgot, this could be misinformation too. And I'm sure it's not possible that those men had family emergencies or experienced illness of some other variety.

Putty, you're starting to distinguish yourself from the competition. This formulaic devotion to your Wie-zeal creed rivals in intensity that of any ardent Communist Party member. Bravo, comrade, bravo!

George, I've already explained this to ToddCommish in the comments, but if you really need me to, I'll say it again more slowly.

PGA Tour pro Steve Lowery withdrew after playing just 12 holes of Round 1.

PGA Tour Pro Jonathan Kaye withdrew after completing Round 1.

Pro Pat Perez withdrew after completing 6 holes of Round 2 yesterday.

Pro Andrew Magee, like Michelle, withdrew after 9 holes of the second round yesterday.

Michelle makes five.

As I said above, no reasons have been given for their withdrawals. Maybe they felt the heat. Maybe they got hurt. Maybe they were bored and wanted to go home.

But the fact that they withdrew is not in dispute. Not sure why you and ToddCommish are so upset that Michelle's not the only player to withdraw from this event.

In the meantime, don't talk to me about courage until you're willing to use your real name, first and last.

One-Putt, For quite some time I have thought of you as a voice of some reason among the delusional, hard core Wie-wee's. At times, you displayed a smattering of good-natured wit. But this latest caper orchestraed by BJ and performed by Bubbles seems to have pushed you over the edge. You have become pugnacious, hardly a trait expected from a man from the friendly isle of Maui. You even threatened to tear off Ford's head and urinate down his throat. How gauche! And yout latest new-found avocation seems to be that of a meteorologist. For a resident of Maui where virtually every day's weather is the same as the previous day's, you profess to know an awful lot about Midwest weather. It is no hotter this summer than in any other of my 61 Midwest summers. I have a 10:00 AM tee time today at my club in the Chicago area. The temperature is going to be in the low 90's by afternoon. So what? O-P, when the temp in the Midwest goes above 90, the humidity invariably has a corresponding drop to 50% or less. The tall tales of 95 degress Fahrenheit accompanied with 90% humidity are nothing more than grossly exaggerated urban myths.

If Michelle had been -8, rather than +8, I think she would have been just fine. It is quite apparent that she has some growing up to first. The way she treats her caddie and her fellow players and the gallery is more like a petulant little child than a winning champion.
Until she learns that winning has more to do with mental skills rather physical skills, and that a 'winner' is defined more by her attitude than by the hype;
then she will always be an also-ran.

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Comment from: Jennifer Mario [Member]
George, I've already explained this to ToddCommish in the comments, but if you really need me to, I'll say it again more slowly.

PGA Tour pro Steve Lowery withdrew after playing just 12 holes of Round 1.

PGA Tour Pro Jonathan Kaye withdrew after completing Round 1.

Pro Pat Perez withdrew after completing 6 holes of Round 2 yesterday.

Pro Andrew Magee, like Michelle, withdrew after 9 holes of the second round yesterday.

Michelle makes five.

As I said above, no reasons have been given for their withdrawals. Maybe they felt the heat. Maybe they got hurt. Maybe they were bored and wanted to go home.

But the fact that they withdrew is not in dispute. Not sure why you and ToddCommish are so upset that Michelle's not the only player to withdraw from this event.

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OK, so then we have it down to you are a lousy writer or a propagandist.

Because the context of your post was Michelle Wie withdrawing due to some sort of physical, heat-related ailment, or some other debilitating condition.

As you spin things, you point out that Michelle was the fifth to withdraw. You did not qualify that information when you scribbled your post.

The clear inference you wish people to draw -- and clearly your fellow Wie lackey One-Putt fell for your spin -- was that Michelle was not alone when she succumbed to the hellish, Venus-like conditions on the course.

Nice try, Jenny. You failed, though, despite the attempt to create a new cover story.

Bottom line: Your slip-shod reporting and writing -- whether deliberate or accidental -- still calls into question the accuracy of your book.

Try being a real journalist first before attempting to play one on the Internet. You might cut yourself.


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In the meantime, don't talk to me about courage until you're willing to use your real name, first and last.
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Stalking much? Can you saw "Yeech!!!" That's no way to try to get a date with me. Still, check above, Jenny.

-George

Weather sidebar: I live in the Washington DC area where the combination of heat & humidity is legendary. One of the dumbest sightseeing choices in the world is to come here mid-June thru mid-August. If you want to sample the fantastic US Capitol, do it Spring or Fall.

I don't know what it was like at the John Deere - comparitively speaking - but if it was anything like it is here right now, you could easily succumb to it if you weren't properly hydrated. I've made that mistake a couple of times before on the golf course, becoming nauseous & dizzy. Also a possible complication would be the internal workings of the female body - although I'm sure the news people won't get into that. So don't be so quick to discount that as the real situation with Wie yesterday.

Jennifer... because when you initially read your article, one comes away with the idea that since MW withdrew because of heat, the others did to. It appears that you were trying to soften her withdrawing... but then again, we all know you are one of her most ardent supporters and would never say a word against her. It's all how you say it... take the old cold war example of the US and USSR in a race... The story was presented as the Soviets strong performance coming in one position out of the lead whereas the dismal US peformance was one spot out of last place... actual results would have been US in 1st, Soviets in 2nd. Both were technically true (for this fictional example)... oh well, you get the picture.

What Mario did is typical of how media people operate.

I love the way Jen takes a patronizing tone in her postings. Like we can't distinguish the journalistic bankruptcy of a paid Wie propagandist... If you want to sell your book, fine. Most of us understand the financial benefits of selling a product. But don't patronize those of us that recognize your hype and spin machine and call it like we see it.

Just admit it. You'll feel better.

Everybody, just let it go. Give Mihcelle a break. I live in Midwest, and the weather has been 90-100 degree this week. I run for an hour everyday at about 8 pm, and I decided not to do it on Friday just to be on the safe side.

I think that we all want to believe that humans have unlimited potentials, thus we can never get enough of Superman and Spiderman stories, and we want to believe that Lance Armstrong really beat cancer and could win at his will. For a while I also wanted to believe that Michelle was a superwomen and could withstand all this impossible pressure and perform, even though a reasoned voice in the back of my mind says that if she is a human being, then she couldn't possibly fullfil what the hype expects her to do. I think her illness just proved that she is a human being after all and human conditions affect her as well as everyone else. Just give her a break, whether you have supported her or not. Not all support is good--it is a form of pressure, too; and taking pleasure in her illness and failure in meeting impossible expectations says more about you as a person than what she did.

Again, give Michelle Wie a break, just out of human decency.

George --

Pardon me, but I don't understand the dispute. Maybe you can shed some light for me --

Where are these lies? Unless I'm misreading, Jenny reported that Wie withdrew, and she was the fifth to do so --

Is this not an accurate statement? What's your issue?

You are right she must be out of condition or just tanked the event. I'm sure she was faking the illness.

Do you folks even realize how low you can go?

Alex I can expect this from you since your profession is full of Bottom Feeders, but George surprises me since he has stated he coached young woman in the past. What would you have done George if one of your charges was obviously having the same problems? Leave them in the game until they dropped dead?

I'm glad the Doctor and Wies had more sense than you folks.

Michelle Wie was sick to her stomach. Because she was sick to her stomach, she drank only water, not an electrolyte solution. In milder conditions she might have been able to play sick--but under these conditions she needed the electrolyte solution, and without it she could not complete the round.

I would like to commend FORD for his reasonable position on Michelle Wie's withdrawl.

Putty,

Obviously, by juxtaposing those two things, Mario led certain readers to believe that the other players withdrew for the same reason. Duh.

George Valdez, congrats on supplying a whole name for your mom, children, and potential employers to see. I have very little respect for negative posters who remain anonymous.

Had I written, "The heat claimed its fifth victim today," perhaps I could be accused of the lies and/or propaganda you're attributing to me.

But I said five people quit, including Michelle. That's called providing context.

Judge, perhaps you can tell us how to include information without "juxtaposing" it. By definition, blogs juxtapose several pieces of information. If they're any good, anyway.

Meanwhile, here's some more juxtaposed context for you: Last weekend at the Cialis Western Open, no players withdrew. Two weeks ago at the Buick Championship, two players withdrew, Jason Gore and Jose Coceras. The John Deere saw five withdraw.

As I said before, it happens.

Judge Smails, Several times when I was a spectator at golf tournaments, I've seen paramedics called to tend to s stricken spectator. They were almost exclusively women over the age of fifty. With that in mind I did a small amount of research into the happenings at the John Deere yesterday. It turns out that, according to the best information I could get, about twenty people there on Friday required first aid, a few for sprains due to falls, but most for heat-related illness due to dehydration, (One guy drank too much beer). NONE required a ride in an ambulance or hospitalization. Of course, Bubbles was the only participant who found it necessary to use the services of the County paramedics and ambulance. So there you have it, folks! Another RECORD for Bubbles! 156 players, 156 caddies, hundreds of volunteer marshals, scorekeepers, and hospitality personnel, hundreds of police and other security people and 35,000 spectators and Bubbles probably one of the youngest and healthiest people on the premises is the ONLY one affected by the heat enough to require an amculance and hospital care. Has Bubbles gone Hollywood?

It sounds like the humidity may not have been that high. Indeed, the humidity may have been lower than what Michelle Wie faces back in Hawaii.

Guess what. The problem may have been that the humnidity was lower than what the Wies were sued to.

With high humidity it is hard to cool yourself by sweating. With lower humidy, the body sweats more. That means less problems with temoperature, but the body is losing salt at a faster rate than would be the case with higher humidity.

Michelle Wie's failure to drink electrolyte solution was a big problem because the humidity was low enough for her to lose a lot of salt though sweating.

"Providing context" would be printing the comments of the medical staff who said that no other players were treated for heat.

Assuming it was heat exhaustion and/or dehydration, it's hard to tell if it's her caddie's fault or her parents' fault for not ensuring she got the proper fluids. After all, if you're riding a horse, you should make sure the horse is properly fed before running it into the ground. If you're a parent, you should be more worried about taking care of your child than milking your meal ticket.

wow. this must be like Christmas for the haters and naysayers. they're so giddy they are beside themselves. Michelle is down so lets really get her.LOL. what a bunch of cowards.
MW was feeling ill before she even teed off. the illness and the heat combined forced her to withdraw. for all you haters, i am not making this up just in case you want to accuse me of lying too.
just in case nobody is keeping score, MW has competed in a handfull of PGA tournaments, just missing the cut in a few of them. she withdraws from this one and all of a sudden she's a quitter, has no stamina and if we believe the haters, doesn't even know how to play golf now. boy, you guys are even dumber than your mama thought.
this is all about the guys being worried that a sixteen year old girl might actually start making the cut at PGA tournaments. this is about guys feeling that MW doesn't DESERVE to be out there because she didn't earn it. well boo hoo. its no skin off your ass so what do you care? there's a bunch of exemptions given out in every tournament. why don't you complain about the other guys who got exemptions.
and its not the money. you clowns were criticizing her way before she got the money. just a bunch of petty, angry jerks, i guess. but i shouldn't have to tell you that cause your mama probably does already.

Must be great to have a guy like Andy on your side, eh, Jen?

andy, You do know where your capital key is, you just don't know when to use it. Your post has to rank as one of the most dim-witted ever to grace these blogs. Your lack of even basic common sense will serve to disqualify you from consideration for the Alan Cup. When your educational level reaches third grade, try again for Alan points.

ToddCommish wrote:
""Providing context" would be printing the comments of the medical staff who said that no other players were treated for heat."

Todd, I can't argue with you there. But those comments hadn't yet been released when I wrote the post, so it would've been hard for me to include them.

So Alex and George what did you shoot today? Did you walk or ride during your round? I rode for a change today since the humidity was a 110 percent (ok a 100 it was raining).

Did anyone watch the Farr with the white water running thru the 18th fairway? Nobody will play out of that hazard.

I was pleased to see Paula and Natalie are on the top of the leaderboard. Annika is a few shots back, but very much in the hunt.

andy, our opinion of Bubbles is no skin off your butt, so why do YOU care?

hey, who edited my post?
actually Alex, i went all the way to sixth grade. i have used the capital key on a few occasions but must admit that i am too lazy to use it all the time.
and i have probably made posts here just as dim-witted if not more so. hey, if you can have judge smells and john-d make idiotic comment then why can't i? by the way, i never see you criticize those two.
in the meantime, why don't you expound on why i lack common sense. i thought i brought up a couple of good points. if they're so dumb, you should be able to rip them to shreds.
too bad they edited my original post. then you would see what i really think of you clowns.

hey, who edited my post?

Michelle Wie was a bit queasy at the Sony Open too...

http://thesandtrap.com/archives/pga/wie_washes_out_in_hawaii.php

I think it's all pressure-related. Michelle knows what to do in the heat. Drink plenty of fluids!!

Hey Andy - "Up Yours!"

As I've said before, We have to write at a third grade level, in hopes that you (and the likes of you) may comprehend. But, so far, it obviously must not be sinking in.

oh johnny boy. that's not nice. how rude of you.
as i said, i went to the sixth grade, moron. but even that is above your level. i think it is you that cannot comprehend.
up mine? its you that's the a-hole sweet cheeks. LOL

One-Putt said:

"So Alex and George what did you shoot today? Did you walk or ride during your round? I rode for a change today since the humidity was a 110 percent (ok a 100 it was raining)."
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That's funny One-Putt, weather.com says the humidity in Hawaii is 72% right now. Exaggerating again, are we?

That's why you should always use the dew point when comparing the humidity in places with different temperatures. The dew point is the temperature at which humidity would be 100%. When the dew point matches the outside temperature, condensation occurs and everything is literally dripping.

Alex was perfectly correct when he said:

"The tall tales of 95 degrees Fahrenheit accompanied with 90% humidity are nothing more than grossly exaggerated urban myths."

That's why I stand by my claim that the humidity at the John Deere should be nothing more than M.W. is used to growing up in Hawaii.

I would be more than happy to address your "trade wind" claim if you wish, if you desire further education. I do have a degree in Science.

andy, You asked "Why do I lack common sense?" My considered answer, without trying to be snide or insulting is this: Your mother and father also lacked common sense. Your grandparents, both paternal and maternal, similarly lacked common sense. It is what's known as genetics, heredity, if you will. You are a dummy because your parents and grandparents were also dummies. I feel sorry for you, I empathize with you, I wish you had common sense, but I don't have the power to make it happen. No, barring any miracles of science, you will be a moron until you leave this earth. But don't feel bad. You have a lor of company. Just read these blogs.

Wow... Alex and the other Alan Cup committee members have disqualified andy from tournament participation due to "a less than 3rd grade education level."

cannine lover... you there?

cannine lover, this thinning of the field improves our chances for the championship. Looks promising for a Sunday pairing for us both, don't you think?

Now, if I could only improve on my 4th grade education level, I might give cannine lover a run for the $, silver cup & bouquet of roses. Speaking of which, what is the winner's share of the purse for the Alan Cup? Ehh Alex?

actually, alex. i have probably fallen far from the family tree. so yes, i might be a dummy. but to insult my parents and grandparents is pretty low. i would expect as much from your compadres, being crude and ignorant as they are, but you? i'm kind of disappointed. c'mon alex.
i mean the best you can do is call me a dummy because of my genetics?
i so wanted you to dispute my original post and prove me wrong. show me your anti-MW higher intelligence.
sheesh. you boys can call a sixteen year old girl names and say other nasty things about her, but when i call you a few names, you lose all of your higher train of thought. i guess you can dish it out but can't take it.
oh by the way. the word i had originally called you guys (before the pc police edited it) rhymes with maggot and begins with f. but i guess i was wrong because you GIRLS got no balls. REALLY LOL.

Don't fret andy. The same Wie-bashers call me A$$hole and the "pc police" removed the "ss" and replaced with "**". I'm using the "$$" here so that John D would be happy and to ensure that the "pc police" (travelgolf.com editors) would not arise from their slumber.

Ahh... george, please continue to restrain yourself as I'M NOT WHINING ABOUT IT!

You know andy, we don't want to wake the Wie-bashers up too early this morn as they need their rest for TV watching of the JDC & JFC later today. Grouchy old men they be!

I agree, though, that belittling your parents and grand parents is unacceptable. But that's the Wie-basher modus operandi... bash everyone that disagrees with their OPINIONS.

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One-Putt said:

"So Alex and George what did you shoot today? Did you walk or ride during your round? I rode for a change today since the humidity was a 110 percent (ok a 100 it was raining)."
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That's funny One-Putt, weather.com says the humidity in Hawaii is 72% right now. Exaggerating again, are we?"

Quite a Dective you are Visitor from another Planet. Unfortunately you are a seven and a half hour flight from Honolulu off target from where I am staying and playing golf now.

So dig out your Dick Tracy detective kit you got for six box tops and try to figure out where I am. But I can guarantee Strange Visitor it was raining today and most everyday this time of year.

By referring to Andy, his parents, and his grandparents as dolts, morons, imbeciles and/or idiots, I am not in any way insulting them, and ,of course, no insult is intended. Andy and his immediate ancestors might very well be nice people, able to bathe themselves, perform simple tasks like stringing beads, and come in out of the rain. The thing to remember is that Andy, by his own recognition and his practically unintelligible blogs, has shown that he is a dunce of the first order. And since it is virtually impossible for a man and a woman of better than average intelligence to produce such a dim-witted offspring, they must also be dunces. There is nothing disparaging meant by this statement, it is quite simply a fact.

nice one alex. not much as far as content. but pretty good as a putdown. and all the things i said before, nothing personal. no insult intended. you sound like a decent, educated guy who likes to pick on young asian girls for whatever reason. could be jealousy, certain inadequacies that you feel about yourself or anger at women in general. its not for me to say or judge. i wish you the best.
oh, by the way, i won't tell anybody that you're gay.....oops. sorry. i guess i am a dummy after all.

One-Putt....Bad news KimoSabi. Just because it is raining in Hawaii does not mean that the humidity is 100%.

Listen and learn, oh young one.

The next time you leave home to golf, as we all love to do, check the humidity, I guarantee that as the day goes on, it will get hotter, and the humidity will drop. That's because the most common form of measuring humidity is relative humidity, the measure of how much moisture the air can handle at one time.

Warmer air can hold more moisture than cooler air, therefore as it gets warmer the relative humidity drops because, of course, it can hold more moisture. That is why the best measure of humidity is the dew point, as I stated previously.

Humidity, schmumidity, no one should have problems after only a few holes without having to carry a bag. Emotional factors (anxiety) contributed to her problems.

The fact that out of about 40,000 people on and about the course on Friday, Bubbles was the ONLY one who required an ambulance ride and hospitalization says it all.

All you guys beating up on a 16 year old girl and accusing her of being weak, faking or whatever, your moms must be soooo proud of all of you. Don't forget to send her copies of your blogs.

And Jennifer keep it up.Great responses. Great interview last week. Promote your book. I'm on your side and will buy a copy.

I have just one word for all those anti-Wies out there.

E-N-V-Y

I think before people attack and criticize Michelle Wie, age 16, you might reserve the criticisms for Mr. BJ Wie who is apparently the force that pushes and rushes Michelle. No doubt she wants to please her parents and will golf and try her best at any of the tournaments that her parents had booked. I thought it was interesting that on the very day that Michelle was taken by to the hospital, her father, BJ actually was concerned about coming back to John Deere. He seems more preoccupied about next year and he's the one who is rushing his own daughter. Michelle Wie is incredibly talented, and she is still 16 years old regardless of how many adults and LPGA females gang up on her. They should focus their anger and critisms at the father who is controlling Michelle's schedule. It's just a thought that we need to consider because her parents are the ones whom she rely on and trust.

Hear all ye by this presence! It has been decreed that Michelle Wie, aka Bubbles, is 16 YEARS OLD! That's 16 YEARS OLD! We've all heard it and I hope it's for the last time.

Stephen,

I hear what you, and others, are saying about BJ Wie. I would agree, except Michelle continues to say that SHE is the one deciding to do these things. It's mentioned in Jen's book, in fact. Granted, she might be saying that even though her father is the driving force (after all, as Alex has reminded us, she is only 16).

But it's hard to say she is not interested in playing in the John Deere or other events when she continues to state that she does want to play.

If it turns out BJ has been driving her against her will or too hard, and Michelle ends up exploding like Capriati or others (again, this is directly discussed in the new book), I am right there with you. Then he would be another in a long line of overzealous sports parents ruining his child's early years.

I hope that is not the case. I love watching her play.

From the beginning, I've questioned the path chosen by BJ Wie for his daughter. It's tiresome to listen to the "Oh, Michelle chooses her own path" bleatings. She's been on THIS path since she was about 13. Clearly, BJ had his sights on a Tiger-like career and impact. One difference (and it ain't talent, because Michelle seems to have tons) is that Earl Woods focused on the mental part of the game, the focus and the determination to not only beat, but dominate your opponent. Talking during Tiger's swing, jingling change, mocking him while he was having trouble, all that stuff toughened Tiger. That part either hasn't been developed yet in Michelle or it just isn't in her.

I hear you Todd. And when a 25-year-old Michelle (possibly as the Comeback Athlete of the Year) tells Ed Bradley that Poppa BJ ruined her life for ten years, I won't be happy or shocked. But until we hear that, it's speculation to say that BJ is driving her and she is being dragged unwilling to the slaughter.

Jason Sobel has some excellent comments up on the whole WD and heat exhaustion and BJ pressing too hard in his recent column:
http://sports.espn.go.com/golf/britishopen06/columns/story?columnist=sobel_jason&id=2521538

Don't know if the TG types will let that link stand or not, but if not, go search on ESPN's golf page for Sobel.

temperature in Evian next week : 82 degrees, hope she will be fine, don't forget she's a very young girl, with a lot (really a lot) of pressure on her, it's a better explanation than the temperature (or combination of the two ?)
I prepare some Evian bottles for her (and me !), and we go to see that !
Patrick

Comment from: Candace Polski [Visitor]
I hear you Todd. And when a 25-year-old Michelle (possibly as the Comeback Athlete of the Year)
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I assume you mean"GO BACK" As in Go back to play on the ladies tour, since she cannot win on the men's tour.

Alex the fact is Michelle IS sixteen years old. Sixteen year old girls make mistakes, get tummy aches, talk like a 16 year old and yes take ambulance rides when the event laws of the state they are playing in require it.

Now Michelle may never reach the Pinnacle of Success like George, Ford and you have Alex, but she is giving it a go. When the LPGA set their exemption limit to six and the age limit to join at eighteen where was she to go to play professional golf? Hey as far as I know her options were limited to the men's tour unless you expect her to play for skins at your country club Alex.

Nancy Lopez says she should play on the ladies tour more. Now how in the hell is that going to happen? Doesn't Nancy know the rules?

I will just continue to follow Michelle's progress at the 84 Lumber, Omega and Casio. Hey maybe she won't make the cut, but she will get the opportunity to play against some professional competition far superior than any of you could put together at the country club.

I never learned one damn thing from anyone on a golf course that had lesser skills than me. There is only one way to raise the level of your game and that is to play the best around. That is simply what Michelle is doing by learning from her mistakes and playing in the tough events. She is gradually developing her gift for the game.

It is just a pity that the media, some fans and bloggers are not satisfied with her play at SIXTEEN YEARS OF AGE. Hey her parents still love her even if she doesn't win or withdraws from an event.

I'll gladly open a spot in my foursome for Michelle. In fact One-Putt, let's see if we can do that this week. Why don't you come too, you can try to "rip my head off" after the round. The weather forecast is calling for temperatures to near 100 degrees, just the way Michelle likes it. She might actually learn something, and tell her to bring her substantial checkbook, she'll need it.

You make it sound like Michelle is playing Basketball or Tennis or any sport in which you are in direct physical competition with an opponnent. Maybe in these areanas I could buy the, "she's playing against the best argument", but in golf the course and to some extent you are you're only opponent. Getting her brains beaten in by courses that are too difficult and getting lapped by a field which is clearly superior teaches Michelle only one thing; how to lose and she already has a lot of experience with that.

Michelle has every right to search for a game where she can find one, just don't try to convince me that playing on the PGA tour is helping her development.

You know there are some that would argue that there is a reason why they have age limits and limited playing opportunities for those under 18--Mental and physical acuity being a big part of it. Michelle strengthen her mental toughness and her physical stamina, Nah!

A good point about the 18 age limit and development of physical and mental fortitude, Ford. I agree - and to Gove's point, she needs to keep up with the pace of play and other standards if she is going to play in tour events. I still think Gove was scapegoating with