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Secrets to Dog Training download [Visitor] in response to: Stewart Cink DQed (and fantasy golfers screwed) by absurd rule Rule 13-4a

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Mark [Visitor] in response to: Stewart Cink DQed (and fantasy golfers screwed) by absurd rule Rule 13-4a

Mark [Visitor] — Wed, 11 Jun 2008 15:22:06 +0000

I think they recently added a ruling that grants exception for cases like this. Maybe this particular case prompted it. What a stupid reason to DQ someone.

Shanks [Visitor] in response to: Stewart Cink DQed (and fantasy golfers screwed) by absurd rule Rule 13-4a

Shanks [Visitor] — Wed, 02 Apr 2008 19:39:09 +0000

Dumb, dumb, dumb rule ....

Kiel Christianson [Visitor] in response to: Stewart Cink DQed (and fantasy golfers screwed) by absurd rule Rule 13-4a

Kiel Christianson [Visitor] — Tue, 01 Apr 2008 03:12:48 +0000

I like the idea of a rake person following
each group. Makes wonderful sense, and would
speed up play.

Wendy (UK) [Visitor] in response to: Stewart Cink DQed (and fantasy golfers screwed) by absurd rule Rule 13-4a

Wendy (UK) [Visitor] — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 22:02:00 +0000

Sorry for you Fantasy Golfers, but was he likely to earn you many points come Sunday?

The rule existed in my old R & A book from 1984, but not sure when US PGA adopted it. Also not sure that Patrick's interpretation is correct.
Before making a stroke at a ball which is in a hazard the player shall not test the condition of the hazard or any similar hazard. Because Cink's ball was NOT in the first hazard, both taking his stance in it (possibly?) and then raking it (certainly) he was deemed to have been testing the conditions prior to the second hazard. I may be wrong of course. I don't think the rule is stupid, but perhaps the interpretation of it on this occasion was somewhat unreasonable. Agree with Patrick that it would hardly be onerous to have groundstaff rake bunkers for following group and would speed up play. However, competitors would still have to be aware of that rule as a certain Tom Weiskopf once walked straight through a hazard to test his yardage for his next shot, retraced his footsteps and meticulously smoothed his footprints.
Had he then gone into that hazard on his next shot....!! ("Golf Rules Explained" by Peter Dobereiner does not recall whether he went into any other hazard after that, when the rule would still have applied, but bet nobody would have spotted the infringement anyway). Rule 6.1 sounds so simple, doesn't it?!

Patrick [Visitor] in response to: Stewart Cink DQed (and fantasy golfers screwed) by absurd rule Rule 13-4a

Patrick [Visitor] — Mon, 31 Mar 2008 14:42:14 +0000

The reason he got the penalty was because he actually didn't take the shot from the bunker. He stepped out and took his shot. Had he actually taken his second shot while standing in the bunker he would have been ok.

The rule is there to prevent people from stepping in random bunkers and then raking the sand to see what it feels like ("testing the conditions"). In this case it makes no sense, because he obviously didn't do it purposely.

This could all be avoided if the PGA Tour had a similar policy to the British Open of having someone follow each group with a rake. It would also speed up play.