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Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Hurrah! Ron Mon has brought the circus back to town! Here come the elephants, along with Norman, One-Putt, Alan, Brian J, and John Neal. Wie Warrors, to the ramparts! Let the fawning, groveling, and boot-licking begin! Get out the spreadsheets and goofy statistics! Michelle is better at this age than Woods ever was! Michelle will win a PGA major within three years! Michelle should be number one in the Rolex rankings! Michelle will soon be the greatest ever! Michelle rules! You go, girl!Yippee!
03/01/06 @ 10:08
Comment from: Ron Mon [Member] Email
Dear Alex,

Michelle has done more on HER tour than Tiger did on HIS tour by age 16. That fact is undeniable. I hate the fawning, groveling, boot-licking, and the insults, degradation, and bitterness that accompany these posts. If people (you included, Alex) could make factual points, I'd be thrilled. I do my best to set a good example.

XOXO
RonMon The Superior, Condescening One.
03/01/06 @ 10:22
Comment from: Bangkok Al [Visitor]
I agree that humanity is complex and befuddling. I'm not too sure about glorious, though.
03/01/06 @ 11:48
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Ron Mon, Just what is "Michelle's tour?"
03/01/06 @ 11:56
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Ron Mon, the only "tour" that Woods was on by age 16 was the US. Junior Boys' Amateur circuit. In case you didn't know, he won the championship in the three times he competed for it. How did Bubbles do on the US Junior Girls' circuit?
03/01/06 @ 12:05
Comment from: Jordan [Visitor]
Alex--

Michelle never played the Girls circuit because she was kicking LPGA a** already at age 14.

I'm sure you remember Michelle Wie --age 14 finished 4th at an LPGA major...
03/01/06 @ 12:16
Comment from: Kris [Visitor]
Alex

If you hate her so much--why are you always trolling the blogs here looking for things about Michelle Wie ??
You got way too much time on your hands if you feel the need to focus on things you don't like..

You must be unemployed and still mooching off your parents..
03/01/06 @ 12:19
Comment from: Ron Mon [Member] Email
This is not rocket science, Al. HIS tour is the PGA tour, which included two missed cuts at the LA Open. HER tour is the LPGA tour. I am basing this on the time-honored tradition of gender bias.
03/01/06 @ 12:52
Comment from: One-Putt [Visitor]
"Comment from: Jordan [Visitor]
Alex--

Michelle never played the Girls circuit because she was kicking LPGA a** already at age 14.

I'm sure you remember Michelle Wie --age 14 finished 4th at an LPGA major..."

I also recall a 13 year old girl carding a 68 in a PGA event and the same 16 year old girl doing it again this year. Tiger never accomplished that at 13 or 16 he was too busy beating other little boys. I'm sure he made some of them cry. The girl we are supporting only makes other professional golfers cry.

Of course Jordan and Ron this would not mean a whole lot to the golf hackers commenting here who obviously have no respect for the game or infact themselves.
03/01/06 @ 12:59
Comment from: ToddCommish [Visitor]
I'm not sure one round in the 60's constitutes 'kicking LPGA ass'. Last time I checked, tournaments are more than one round.

Those kinds of empty-headed bleatings are what brings out the naysayers. You can't have it both ways. If you're saying she's the greatest 16-year old in golf history, nobody could argue (reasonably). If you're saying she's the 2nd best player on the LPGA tour, well, then you're delusional because she hasn't PROVEN it. If you're saying that we shouldn't expect wins because she's "only" 16, then you're putting qualifiers on her ability. Either she's great NOW or she isn't. Well, I'm the greatest golfer in my office right now. That doesn't mean I'm great.

If just one of the Wie-warriors would admit that given her prodigious abilities, she SHOULD have won a tournament by now, and stop falling back on her age, some of the bashing might subside. How many tournaments did Tiger win after 16 tries? What about Creamer?
03/01/06 @ 14:18
Comment from: TaylorMade [Visitor]
Michelle Wie is kicking ass and taking names, she is absolutely dominating the sport of golf, all of the other women are scared of her...Oh wait a minute she has yet to actually win. It would be interesting to see how michelle wie would be remembered if her golfing career ended today. I think her fans would somehow remember her as one of the greatest golfers of all time even without the resume. I respect such committemnt, but I think you folks are a little blinded by your Wie-Love.
03/01/06 @ 14:19
Comment from: putt4par [Visitor]
Taylormade, toddcommish, Alex...You show me one Professional golfer, male or female that have won a PGA or LPGA event before they were 18. Not KLPGA, Not ANZLPGA, not JLPGA, or the Male equivalents thereof..
U may not like the way the rankings have been set up but you better believe that everyone of those professional women watch how they play the game with Michelle because she has proven that she can best even the top female golfer on occasion. Let them make one little mistake and she'll beat them. By the time she is 18, she will be winning often. Let her play 6 tournaments in a row and then come and tell us how wrong the rankings are.
You're whole problem is you have no tolerance for the adjustments a young girl must make from daily school grind to professional golf game once every 4 to six weeks. Lets see how well Annika does when she comes back from skiing. She just may not be at the top of her game, now wouldn't that just make you gag, Taylormade?
Why heck, even Tiger has been known to lose a game once in a while.

So cut MW some slack guys.
Paula, and Morgan and Michelle and Annika and all the new rookies are going to provide us with some damn good golf in the coming months. Just relax and watch.
03/01/06 @ 14:34
Comment from: ToddCommish [Visitor]
Again, with the AGE thing?! You really really don't get it, do you? Sheesh, if she's good enough to play on the freakin' tour, then her age goes right out the window! Now she's a professional, NOT a 16-year old high school student.

No one disputes that she's the best 16-year old on the planet. No one disputes that she'll be the best 17-year old next year... and so on. But she hasn't proven that she can WIN. Until she does, she shouldn't be "ranked" as a top-three player, at least as long as other players have actually hoisted the trophy.

We're cutting MW a ton of slack, we're just losing patience with her fan(atics) that are deifying her before her time (which will probably be 2008 or so).
03/01/06 @ 14:51
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Kris, I don't hate Michelle Wie or any other 16 year-old on this planet. I do have a mild dislike for the intellectually challenged who presume to know the life status and employment history of persons who are obviously their mental superiors. Such a person as that exists and posts on this board under the handle of "Kris".
03/01/06 @ 15:33
Comment from: RonMon [Visitor]
She's still not REALLY a professional, though. She has scholastic responsibilities that prohibit her from dedicating as much time to practice and tournament play as true professionals do. Half-Empty viewers will see it as a convenient excuse should she continue to fail to win, while Half-Full viewers will call it an impediment to overcome honorably.

RonMon the fence-sitter
03/01/06 @ 15:59
Comment from: putt4par [Visitor]
Thank you Ron. That is exactly right.
Until she can devote the same amount of time to the tour as all others, she is not reaching full potential. But....She can still be ranked.
And you don't get it, Todd... Age has everything to do with it. no matter what they call her. You all whined when she was an amateur about how she shouldn't be doing the professional events, or she was avoiding the other amateurs or... and the list went on. Now that she has turned pro, you whine about her not winning immediatly, or that she has a rank that you feel isn't correct.
I have the distinct feeling that when she does start winning, you will all start whining about something els she does wrong.
Admit it, you have "penis" envy over a 16 year old female who could beat your butt on the fairway any day of the week and that really gripes you.
03/01/06 @ 16:19
Comment from: ToddCommish [Visitor]
putt4par,

Leave your faux-Freudian analysis for your equally immature cohorts. Perhaps they would get some giggles out of your use of "penis".

I'm merely saying that she is a great golfer FOR HER AGE. And I'm also saying that she is NOT a great golfer considering her LPGA experience. If she shows that she can WIN, I will wholeheartedly celebrate her skill. Great players win. Losers cry about age.

And I'm a 22-handicap... so she should be able to win against me. What she hasn't proven is that she can win against professionals.
03/01/06 @ 16:56
Comment from: putt4par [Visitor]
Todd
With your reasoning then, Natalie Gulbis shouldn't be on the list at all either?
It would be nice if you could debate from an informed and factual base but you seem to swim more on emotion and rhetoric. That being said, I will put you on ignore.
03/01/06 @ 17:24
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Red alert! Red alert! The Wienuts are going over the edge! She is a pro, but she isn't really a pro! She still has to finish highschool! She's the greatest 16 year-old ever, BUT, she still has lots of room for improvement. Twenty years from now we will be marveling at her accomplishments! UnderPar, it just doesn;t get any better than this.
03/01/06 @ 18:22
Comment from: ToddCommish [Visitor]
putt4par,

Apparently, logic is a foreign concept to you. With my reasoning then, Natalie Gulbis is not a GREAT golfer and shouldn't be in the top-five rankings. Oh, that's right, she isn't anyway. So logic holds serve, except in the case of Ms. Wie.

FYI, Gulbis was top-three on the tour for birdies last year (and probably did lead in calendar sales). Wie led the tour in endorsement earnings. Neither constitutes "greatness".
03/01/06 @ 19:07
Comment from: putt4par [Visitor]
Annika Sorenstam first played an LPGA event at at Age 22, It took her 34 events before she won on the LPGA tour, and in those 34 events she had 17 top 10’s in 33 starts. She won her first event in her second full-time year.
Dottie Pepper first played in an LPGA event at age 18 in 1983 and missed the cut, played 1-2 events per year from 1984 - 1987 with no top 10’s in 5 years (only 6 events) her sixth year of playing the LPGA (first year full-time) she was Rookie of the Year with 7 top 10’s in 25 starts with no wins.
Starting at Age 18, It took her 33 events before she won on the LPGA tour, and in those 33 events she had 7 top 10’s in 33 starts. She won her first event in her second full-time year.
Michelle Wie
At Age 12, Played 3 events missed 3 cuts (At Age 12)
At Age 13, Played 6 events made 5 cuts and 1 Top 10
At Age 14, Played 7 events made 7 cuts, 6 Top 20’s, a 4th and a 6th
At Age 15, Played 7 events made 6 cuts, 6 Top 25’s, 3 2nd Place Finishes, DQ’d in another event while in 4th place. And then placed 3rd in her first 2006 LPGA event.

And remember that both Annika and Dottie were able to vote and go to the bar when they finally won an LPGA event.

And all you bashers want Michelle to win immediatly. Talk about stupid expectations, even you guys can't blame hype for that kind of lame brain thinking.
03/01/06 @ 19:09
Comment from: putt4par [Visitor]
Oh, I forgot to add, Michelle wie is also an honors student while doing this.
Amazing kid!
03/01/06 @ 19:12
Comment from: jon [Visitor]
I never thought I would be saying this.... but, leave Baldwin alone. He is writing about Walters golf course in Vegas. Much more substantive, don't you think? ToddCommish, Michelle's age and her limited schedule matter. I would be the first to criticize her lack of wins, if she were playing full time and fully grown. But, clearly that is not the case. And yes, she is improving and getting stronger. She played two events and finsished well in both (top 5, I recall). If you want to harp on "lack of wins," you have lots of great PGA players to choose from. Davis Love, 19 times tour winner with several Majors, hasn't won in Three Years. Nobody calls him a loser. In fact, he will be a golf hall of famer. And you are upset that Wie hasn't won in two tournaments. Please.
03/01/06 @ 19:17
Comment from: Jim COULTHARD [Visitor]
As a Wie supporter I would like to offer a compromise on the world rankings. Since Michelle has 10.04 points which is halway between Annika at number one and Akine Iijima at number sixty seven, let us say Michelle Wie is the second highest ranked woman coming in at position 34, while Annika holds down all of the positions one through thirty three.
03/01/06 @ 19:31
Comment from: ToddCommish [Visitor]
"""Annika Sorenstam first played an LPGA event at at Age 22, It took her 34 events before she won on the LPGA tour, and in those 34 events she had 17 top 10’s in 33 starts. She won her first event in her second full-time year.
Dottie Pepper first played in an LPGA event at age 18 in 1983 and missed the cut, played 1-2 events per year from 1984 - 1987 with no top 10’s in 5 years (only 6 events) her sixth year of playing the LPGA (first year full-time) she was Rookie of the Year with 7 top 10’s in 25 starts with no wins.
Starting at Age 18, It took her 33 events before she won on the LPGA tour, and in those 33 events she had 7 top 10’s in 33 starts. She won her first event in her second full-time year.
Michelle Wie
At Age 12, Played 3 events missed 3 cuts (At Age 12)
At Age 13, Played 6 events made 5 cuts and 1 Top 10
At Age 14, Played 7 events made 7 cuts, 6 Top 20’s, a 4th and a 6th
At Age 15, Played 7 events made 6 cuts, 6 Top 25’s, 3 2nd Place Finishes, DQ’d in another event while in 4th place. And then placed 3rd in her first 2006 LPGA event."""

This is good stuff. Now this is using reason! Again, let me reiterate, the AGE means nothing! If she is good enough to play on the tour (and we all agree that she is), then she should be held to the same standard as the rest of them. If you're arguing that AGE matters, then you're admitting that her first few forays into the LPGA were nothing but publicity stunts engineered by her father, her advisors, and the sponsors.

Now, it took Dottie and Annika roughly 30+ starts to win an event. If Michelle Wie matches that, then she should be lauded with the same praise that Dottie and Annika got when they won their first tournaments. BUT SHE'S ALREADY GOTTEN THAT PRAISE AND SOME OF YOU HAVE ALREADY ANNOINTED HER, and she hasn't won a damn thing!

In other words, had you heard of Annika Sorenstam before her first win?! How many endorsement deals did Annika have when she was WINLESS? You Wie fanatics have put the cart, five loads of gold, and the kitchen sink ahead of the horse. Once she wins Rookie of the Year this year (which she probably will) and maybe wins her first tournament (which she should) this year, then maybe the player will have EARNED the hype rather than the hype making the player (see Miller, Bode)
03/01/06 @ 20:15
Comment from: Ho-J [Visitor]
putt4par,

I think you are the most intelligent one on this blog. Your comments are well thought out and make most sense.

As for the world ranking, it is still in developmental stage and we should not dwell on it too much.

And I think that Michelle Wie will be much better than Annika after few years of experience.
03/01/06 @ 20:26
Comment from: jon [Visitor]
ToddCommish, I would suggest that your anger is misdirected. If her endorsement is at issue, don't blame the "Wie fans," blame the fricking companies that shelled out millions. Email Nike, Sony and Omega. Don't take pot shots at us, gentle "Wie fans." If her hype is your problem, then blame the frigging media, not the reasonable "Wie fans." If you think she has too many loyal fans, well, don't belittle us who appreciate true talent, but blame Wie's gorgeous swing and great personality. We are doing what fans do: root for our player, the incomparable Michelle Wie. She makes a boring LPGA tournament exciting and fun to watch. I like being on a winning side. LOL
03/01/06 @ 20:41
Comment from: putt4par [Visitor]
Lord almighty Todd...She can't win rookie of the year, she's too young to join the LPGA...Her AGE, you fool, it's all about her AGE!
Bah, why does anyone bother even trying with you. All you can see is WIN! She will WIN ! and this year too, but she still won't make ROY or even get on the money list.
It's all about that thing you won't admit matters. her AGE!
03/01/06 @ 21:16
Comment from: John Neal [Visitor]
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat." Theodore Roosevelt 1910.

Could it be that this also applies to women?
03/01/06 @ 21:24
Comment from: John Neal [Visitor]
ToddCommish, since you asked:

"How many tournaments did Tiger win after 16 tries?" 0.

(On the PGA, he made his first cut in his 8th start, and won on his 18th start.)


"What about Creamer?" 0.
(On the LPGA tour, she made her first cut in her second appearance, and won her 19th start.)


03/01/06 @ 22:01
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
911! 911! Emergency! The Wie Warriors are going Bonkers! It's her AGE!
03/01/06 @ 22:32
Comment from: One-Putt [Visitor]
"Comment from: ToddCommish [Visitor]

And I'm a 22-handicap... so she should be able to win against me. What she hasn't proven is that she can win against professionals."

Toad if I had known you were such an accomplished golfer I would have deferred to your expertise immediately.

How many range buckets of Mulligans did you need to tote around the course to hold that 22 Toad? Be honest Toad, were you hitting from the big guys tees?

Give me a break you actually said this? "so she should be able to win against me". No kidding Einstein, I would bet the farm on it if I had one. I bet John Z would bet his spread on this one.

03/02/06 @ 02:52
Comment from: Vernon W [Visitor]
All of you Baldwin fans and Wie haters, please return to Baldies' blog. In his last 5 blogs, since he didn't mention Wie, he received a total of 8 comments. Please go keep Baldie company; he is probably feeling lonely. If you don't believe Wie deserves all this attention, please don't give her any more attention.
03/02/06 @ 03:09
Comment from: One-Putt [Visitor]
"Comment from: Vernon W [Visitor]
All of you Baldwin fans and Wie haters, please return to Baldies' blog. In his last 5 blogs, since he didn't mention Wie, he received a total of 8 comments. Please go keep Baldie company; he is probably feeling lonely. If you don't believe Wie deserves all this attention, please don't give her any more attention."

Well Vernon have you ever had one of those really bad cases of crotch rash? The Wie Haters are crotch rash personified, the more you scratch it, the more it spreads. If you leave it alone eventually it just goes away.

It would be wise of us to just respond to other Wie supporters and ignore the high handicappers who think they know a thing or two about golf.

Anyone who truly knows golf respects the skill Michelle displays at sixteen. Just ask Jack, Arnold, Ernie, Fred or Tiger. I trust their "professional" opinion more than the wannabe golfers that make up the Anti-Wie crowd.

Vernon the Anti-Wie crowd thinks bounce and loft are a description of a Hooter Girls breasts. Just ignore them.

03/02/06 @ 04:29
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
John Neal, Teddy Roosevelt was a man of conviction. He said what he meant and meant what he said. Nowhere in his quotation did he mention women. Could his quotation apply also to women? Only if you consider pouting, weeping and the wearing of long, dangling earrings to be signs of steely resolve.
03/02/06 @ 09:44
Comment from: One-Putt [Visitor]
"Comment from: John Neal [Visitor]
ToddCommish, since you asked:

"How many tournaments did Tiger win after 16 tries?" 0.

(On the PGA, he made his first cut in his 8th start, and won on his 18th start.)

"What about Creamer?" 0.
(On the LPGA tour, she made her first cut in her second appearance, and won her 19th start.)

Don't waste your time trying to educate Toad with statistics John. You will confuse him more than he already is.
03/02/06 @ 13:41
Comment from: One-Putt [Visitor]
"Comment from: John Neal [Visitor]
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better........."

Thank you John for that quote and it could apply to anyone male or female.

Teddy was a man who should have been convicted after his little hunting party in Africa poached 6,000 head of game. I think that would be a few thousand over the limit in any civilized country.
03/02/06 @ 13:48
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
The world according to One-Putt: Teddy Roosevelt is a hero whose quote should apply equally to women even though he didn't specify as much, BUT, he is also a criminal who should have been convicted without even being indicted because of a hunting safari in 1910. O-P, congratulations. Spoken like a true 21st century liberal metrosexual.
03/02/06 @ 14:24
Comment from: Ron Mon [Member] Email
RE: Theodore's quote--Perhaps this blog is the arena, and you are the combatants. Know the taste of victory or defeat! Mar your faces! Keep at it, you bloggers!
03/02/06 @ 14:34
Comment from: george [Visitor]
John Neal, One Putt

** "What about Creamer?"
(On the LPGA tour, she made her first cut in her second appearance, and won her 19th start.) **

Didn't somebody say that Sorenstam and Pepper needed 30-plus LPGA appearances before victory #1?

And it looks as if Wie has roughly two-dozen LPGA appearances and no victories so far.

So does that mean young Paula got to victory #1 before Annika, before Dottie -- and before Michelle?

Now, I realize full well that you Wie Warriors place little stock in a victory at a golf tournament -- go figure -- but it looks as if Paula outdid at least those three prominent golfers for that metric.

And Paula accomplished that by a considerable margin, to boot.

Hoist by your own petard, perhaps?

-George
03/02/06 @ 14:51
Comment from: Jim COULTHARD [Visitor]
What about Karrie Webb? She did Paula Creamer one better. She actually made the cut in her first LPGA tournament. And oh yes--she also won her first LPGA tournament which is doing Paula Creamer 18 better.
03/02/06 @ 15:29
Comment from: Ken [Visitor]
Thus reporteth Sports Illustrated 3/2/06
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/scorecard/03/02/truth.rumors.golf/

"Wie and Paula Creamer have been in the same LPGA field 13 times, and Wie has finished higher than Creamer nine times, with one tie. Wie has finished higher than Morgan Pressel three of the four times they've been in the same field."

So take that, Wie-grumblers and curmudgeons who question her 'higher-than-Creamer' ranking.
03/02/06 @ 16:33
Comment from: Under Par [Visitor]
Alex,

This thread has escaped my notice till now. But I see the Wiemen pounced on it like Pressel on Bubbles in the former's dreams.

Let's make something clear: to compare Bubbles to Woods at sixteen is preposterous. Woods enjoyed an amateur career of the ages, one of unparalled success. The Wiemen may scoff as they cast it as a situation in which Woods "made little boys cry," but guess what? Bubbles had trouble making even little girls cry. Why, the last time she played in a junior girls event, she LOST. Curious, too, for she never entered one again.

Does anyone on this board want to stick his neck out and claim that Bubbles could duplicate Woods' feat? Do her fawning acolytes believe that she could have won that boys' event even once? I will tell you that she couldn't do so even today.

Of course, though, that's the marketing genius of the Bubbles clan. You see, as long as you duck your peers, allowing others to credulously make the case that such insignificant competitions are beneath a prodigy such you, your sycophants will be sure to build a mystique around you, portraying you as a heroine of mythic proportions. And there will be the cameras, the microphones, the free buffets and under the table deals, and lots of woulda-coulda-shouldas about the past. But mostly the wouldas. Call it retroactive amateur success.
03/02/06 @ 17:24
Comment from: Under Par [Visitor]
Oh, I forgot to chime in about the dope who impugned Roosevelt for hunting on the dark continent. Actually, that dope was One-putt.

One-putt, believe it or not, the laws governing hunting were vastly different 100 years ago than they are today. And just so you know, some Africans were engaging in human sacrifice at the time and they weren't arrested either.
03/02/06 @ 17:31
Comment from: george [Visitor]
** Comment from: Jim COULTHARD [Visitor]
What about Karrie Webb? She did Paula Creamer one better. She actually made the cut in her first LPGA tournament. And oh yes--she also won her first LPGA tournament which is doing Paula Creamer 18 better. **

And I guess 24 or so better than Michelle Wie.

Your research shows Michelle's accomplishments are not all that impressive. That's the take away from all the stats people have been digging up as they unsuccessfully try to prove that winning counts for little.

Paula Creamer and Karrie Webb, by your own admission, have done much better than Michelle Wie, Annika Sorenstam and Dottie Pepper in getting their first LPGA victories.

Thank you for proving my point, Jim Coulthard.

-George
03/02/06 @ 18:24
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
UnderPar, it's a good bet that neither of these liberal feminists would have sung the praises of a true patriot like Teddy Roosevelt if they knew the direction of his political views.
03/02/06 @ 18:52
Comment from: Under Par [Visitor]
Alex,

They probably confused him with FDR.
03/02/06 @ 19:08
Comment from: John Neal [Visitor]
Alex re your post:

" UnderPar, it's a good bet that neither of these liberal feminists would have sung the praises of a true patriot like Teddy Roosevelt if they knew the direction of his political views. "

Apparently I am poorly informed. I was under the impression that he was a Conservative Republican just like myself.

This did not prevent him from saying the following eight years before women were given the right to vote:

"Working women have the same need to protection that working men have; the ballot is as necessary for one class as to the other; we do not believe that with the two sexes there is identity of function; but we do believe there should be equality of right." Theodore Roosevelt
Speech, National Convention of the Progressive Party, Chicago, IL, August 6, 1912

In other words, if you can perform the function, the only limit should be your own ability to perform and not whether it was "proper" for you to be doing it.

03/02/06 @ 19:50
Comment from: John Neal [Visitor]
George, re your post "So does that mean young Paula got to victory #1 before Annika, before Dottie -- and before Michelle?"

It certainly does. Paula had an excellent season and started her career like a rocket.

Karrie Webb started even faster.

Both currently rank behind Michelle in the Rolex and Golf Week World rankings and in head-to-head competitions for the last two years, but we should never presume that means they are not top-flight golfers and may move up at anytime.
03/02/06 @ 20:01
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
John Neal, If you're a conservative Republican, I'm a Nicaraguan astronaut. John Neal, you are a fraud. You took the bait. TR was never a conservative. That's why he was such a force in the Bull MOose party.
03/02/06 @ 20:31
Comment from: John Neal [Visitor]
Alex, Congratulations on your accomplishments, I was totally unaware Nicaragua had a space program.
03/02/06 @ 20:34
Comment from: george [Visitor]
John Neal:
** It certainly does. Paula had an excellent season and started her career like a rocket.

Karrie Webb started even faster. **

Thank you, John, for agreeing with me that both Ms. Creamer and Ms. Webb got their first LPGA wins much more quickly than Ms. Wie, who has yet to win on that tour.

I'm sure that if Michelle has the talent that so many folks trumpet, she should join the other LPGA winners presently.

-George
03/02/06 @ 20:35
Comment from: Wayne [Visitor]
Four weeks before Wie tees off again. It's only been a couple of days and I'm already experiencing major Wie-drawal symptoms!
03/03/06 @ 01:03
Comment from: Brian J [Visitor]
Alex, george, Under Par and ToddCommish

Could you tell me if Tiger is the best golfer in the world or not?
03/03/06 @ 01:20
Comment from: One-Putt [Visitor]
No there are others still alive who have better records than Tiger. Is Tiger the best overall golfer of this era? Yes he has demonstrated it many times.

The truth is the most successful golfers are the one who are consistent throughout their career. They may not win every time, but they seem yo always place themselves in a position to win.

Tiger proved this point with his first two tournaments of the year. Even without his "A Game" he finds a way to hang around near the top of the leaderboard and let the field come back to him.

Tiger intimidates other players with his determination, skill, record and of course the famous Tiger Stare.
03/03/06 @ 02:14
Comment from: One-Putt [Visitor]
Sorry Brian for answering, I just felt the need to scratch.

I know you have a hidden agenda here somewhere.

I see the Brokeback Mountain Cowboys have hitched their wagon to the Teddy R. Safari.

Teddy was quite the conservationist in his day (at home), but the thought of six thousand headless carcasses littering the Serengeti are a snapshot of his character.
03/03/06 @ 02:35
Comment from: Vernon W [Visitor]
I realize that this will be over the heads of many of you out there but here goes anyway. Winning a golf tournament is not the greatest accomplishment in one's life. The greatest accomplishment is to learn to be the best person you can be, to be aware of all the great things around you, to recognize the good in all people and to contribute to that good. To use an old term, to "self actualize." Michelle Wie's goal has always been to complete her education as far as she can go. There are 5 doctors (Phds, medical) in her family and the family obviously values education. She does not want to be "just another dumb jock" (her words). She is not going to win a tournament just to satisfy the wannabes out there. Winning tournaments and making a lot of money are only 2 and not necessarily the most important, of her many life goals. I can only admire her more for her values.
03/03/06 @ 04:15
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Vernon W, Thank you for your brief but nevertheless inspiring post on the many outstanding accomplishments of young Miss Wie. I especially laud you on being insightful enough to perceive her multitude of goals and lofty values, rather than just trying to win anything. Several on this board have tried to portray her as fractious teenager, only 16 years old, and not wise to the ways of the world. But you are perspicacious enough to realize that her ultimate conquests will be the worlds of medicine, science, and philanthropy. I wholeheartedly agree with you. By the time her golfing career is over, she will be groomed to take her rightful place along side Helen Keller, Marie Curie, and Mother Teresa. No man will be in her company. Michelle Wie, onward and upward! The sky's the limit!
03/03/06 @ 09:07
Comment from: Mary [Visitor]
No matter how many times her detractors try to say "oh, it's not Michelle Wie that I don't like, it's her fawning sycophants," they still end up saying things like "whining, pouting, wearing dangly earrings..." that Theodore Roosevelt's words wouldn't apply to.

(By the way, I'm a feminist whose favorite alltime president is T Roosevelt)

Sometimes I don't "get" guy humor (like Ron's crack in a prior blog about Kiel, Cassie, and Dr Isleib), but statements like the above are remarkably humorless, angry and bitter. There is simply no way NOT to think that those writers (i.e. UnderPar and Alex)have a real problem with women. Baldie just does his thing to get traffic on his blog. What is the excuse of the visitors?
03/03/06 @ 09:26
Comment from: Mary [Visitor]
No matter how many times her detractors try to say "oh, it's not Michelle Wie that I don't like, it's her fawning sycophants," they still end up saying things like "whining, pouting, wearing dangly earrings..." that Theodore Roosevelt's words wouldn't apply to.

(By the way, I'm a feminist whose favorite alltime president is T Roosevelt)

Sometimes I don't "get" guy humor (like Ron's crack in a prior blog about Kiel, Cassie, and Dr Isleib), but statements like the above are remarkably humorless, angry and bitter. There is simply no way NOT to think that those writers (i.e. UnderPar and Alex)have a real problem with women. Baldie just does his thing to get traffic on his blog. What is the excuse of the visitors?
03/03/06 @ 09:46
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Hey, Proud Mary! There is no way that you're a feminist. Real feminists only have one favorite president and that is Billy "Big Dawg" C.
03/03/06 @ 10:52
Comment from: george [Visitor]
** Comment from: Brian J [Visitor]
Alex, george, Under Par and ToddCommish

Could you tell me if Tiger is the best golfer in the world or not? **

Who is your choice as the best PGA player in the world, Brian?

-George
03/03/06 @ 14:04
Comment from: george [Visitor]
** Comment from Vernon W.

** (actually it doesn't matter what he said)**


Vernon, you mean you're not taking your own advice?

First you tell the Wie Warriors not to respond to the Wie skeptics. Next day, here you are, responding to, well, just about everybody, when you gave us your blinding insights into Michelle Wie.

Shape up, man! You're a fanatic, Vernon! That means complete devotion to the Wie Cult! No more half measures for you! 72 rounds of golf await you in paradise!

-George
03/03/06 @ 14:16
Comment from: Under Par [Visitor]
Alex,

Yes, a real feminist wouldn't glom onto Teddy Roosevelt, that's for sure. Of course, while most women have been infected with feminism, most also don't really know what how demented a bona fide feminist is. If anyone wants to look at the face of true feminaziism, all he need do is study contemporary Sweden.
03/03/06 @ 16:18
Comment from: Under Par [Visitor]
Brian,

Yes, Woods is currently the best golfer in the world.
03/03/06 @ 23:44
Comment from: One-Putt [Visitor]
A nibble Brian, now set the hook.
03/03/06 @ 23:46
Comment from: Vernon W [Visitor]
Alex,

Please don't blame me for your own idiotic remarks. I said only what i said.

As for you, George, I am afraid I am not stupid enough to talk at your level.
03/04/06 @ 03:26
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Aw, come on , Vern, can't a man change his mind? Your praise and admiration of a lanky 16 year-old girl has had a profound effect on me. I experienced an epiphany wherein I thought "why can't I have only good vibes about Michelle Wie, just like Vernon W?" Geez, I drank the koolaid, joined the club, and all I get is abuse.
03/04/06 @ 08:50
Comment from: Norman [Visitor]
Well done Ron Mon on making such an active blog.

Just skimming through some of the comments there is the usual mis-facts coming from the anti-Wie brigade.

***************
Todd Commish said:
BUT SHE'S ALREADY GOTTEN THAT PRAISE AND SOME OF YOU HAVE ALREADY ANNOINTED HER, and she hasn't won a damn thing!
***************

Hasn't done a thing? Do you watch any golf?
2nd place in a major is doing something - lpga championship 2005
3rd place in a major is doing something - British Open 2005.
4th place in a major is doing something - Nabisco 2004.

Also getting to the quarter final of a mens US Amateur event is doing something, at only 15 years of age.
By 17 years of age, Tigers best finish in a usga adult event was the last 32.

Michelle WIe has done plenty and proved plenty.
03/04/06 @ 12:20
Comment from: One-Putt [Visitor]
Norman you're wasting time trying to enlighten the golfing neophytes posting anti-Wie comments at TravelGolf. You can tell their knowledge of the game was gathered from reading, not doing.

To them a Knockdown Draw is a prize fight.

A High Draw is pulling an Ace in Poker.

OB is just the name of an Imported Beer from Korea.

Shaping a Shot is not having booze spill over the lip of the shot glass.

Playing golf is just an excuse to get away from the wife, drink beers (maybe OB), smoke cigars and sit around to tell lies about their handicaps or skills.

Their fifteen or twenty rounds of golf a year (if that much) qualifies them as a golfing expert (I would wager Norman we play nearly that many rounds a month).

They may have a golf club membership as a status symbol or business write off to impress clients (I carry two memberships not to socialize, but only so I can play golf when I want and challenge different layouts).

The only time they have teed it up with a pro golfer is when they sit down with their Nintendo or X-Box and play "Tiger Woods Golf" or some other video game. Of course this is the only way they can launch a 300 yard drive.

To them a Slice into the next fairway is a "Power Fade", their Duck Hook into the woods a "Solid Draw".

They are the ones in front of me who are agonizing over a three foot putt, only to hit it six feet past the hole.

They drive from the Championship tee to be manly, yet they should hit from the Ladies tee to save three strokes.

When they hit a greenside bunker on a par five they are hoping to get out in two (I am looking for a bird opportunity).

To a hacker, Course Management is the local pro.

They may play golf when they travel, but they never travel to just play golf.

I could go on and on Norman, but I think you had the same experiences as I.
03/04/06 @ 15:30
Comment from: Jim COULTHARD [Visitor]
NORMAN

I think Michelle Wie has done something else. She has learned how to deal with the special pressure that is put upon her. Her watch comment did seem to say something important. She was not watching the scoreboard. As a young golfer, it seems to me that is exactly what she should have been doing. Just play each shot, and if there is anything important to know about the scoreboard, her caddy will tell her.

I expected Michelle Wie to win, and I think Michelle Wie probably expected to win. She did not, but she took positives out of the tournament. She did not dwell on her 13th hole bogey 6. The missed putt on 18 was not meant to be. Every other golfer in that situation would be expected to take positives out of the tournament. Only Michelle Wie is expected to take negatives. But guess what, Michelle Wie said NO, I am going to take postives out of this tournament no matter what my critics say. If you ask me, a 16 year old girl played the Samsung--but a 16 year old woman played the Fields.
03/04/06 @ 15:50
Comment from: Ron Mon [Member] Email
"This girl is a woman now...she's learned how to tell ... time." That's a Gary Puckett song, kind of. I won't guess at how womanly Michelle Wie is, but I can only think of one other pro situation when not watching the scoreboard cost someone the championship. It was a British Open that Price or Faldo won, and it was Jesper Parnevik who didn't watch the board. A bit of evidence in support of playing your own game (if indeed she was) and not watching the other competitors (if indeed she wasn't.)
03/04/06 @ 20:19
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Jim C, I think you have written a first time expression. I read quite a lot in my chosen field, but never have I seen any writer refer to a teenage female as "a 16-year-old woman." And she underwent this maturing process in just a few months. Remarkable.
03/04/06 @ 21:42
Comment from: Norman [Visitor]
Alex,
In some countries 16 years old is considered adulthood, so if you travel more you will probably be made aware of this.

Personally, I wouldn't describe her as a woman, even if she were to win the womens grand slam, she is still just a girl in my opinion.

Jim and One-Putt have made some valid points as usual.
03/05/06 @ 10:56
Comment from: One-Putt [Visitor]
Comment from: Alex [Visitor] · http://Alex
Jim C, I think you have written a first time expression. I read quite a lot in my chosen field, but never have I seen any writer refer to a teenage female as "a 16-year-old woman." And she underwent this maturing process in just a few months. Remarkable.

Well girls mature faster than little boys like yourself Alex. Don't worry Alex puberty will come and your voice will change so you won't sound like a little bitch anymore.

Scratch.....scratch.
03/05/06 @ 13:14
Comment from: putt4par [Visitor]
One-putt
I believe you were referring to those yappy little female dogs when you used the b word.
Ok, tim, we've explained the b word, no profanity here.
03/05/06 @ 13:33
Comment from: One-Putt [Visitor]
"Comment from: putt4par [Visitor]
One-putt
I believe you were referring to those yappy little female dogs when you used the b word.
Ok, tim, we've explained the b word, no profanity here."

I can't deny that your explanation p4p is one of many for what I intended to write in reference to Alex and his inane comments.

03/05/06 @ 13:57
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
One-Putt, Why do you guys want to resort to personal invective and insults? I mean, if I wanted to be nasty, I might say something like, "don't call me a b****, I'm not your mother , your daughter, your sister, or your wife." But I won't since I'm too much of a gentleman.
03/05/06 @ 16:09
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
One-Putt, Still scratching? Go down to sick bay and get some blue ointment.That's what happens when you keep picking up those hookers from the wrong side of the tracks.
03/05/06 @ 16:17
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Norman, I don't want to be argumentative since you are a reasonable man. I have traveled extensively to all the continents with the exception of Antarctica. I've been to every country in Europe including those in Eastern Europe, most of the countries in Central and South America, and most of the developed countries in Asia and Africa. I am not aware of any nation among them where the legal age for adulthood is 16 years. I 've just done a little cursory investigation on the subject and I have found no such evidence. If you can show me some evidence to the contrary, I'll stand corrected. In any event, Michelle is an American girl, born and raised and the tournament in question was being played on US soil. Of course she's a girl. That's why she can make remarks like "I want some chocolate"and "Look at my new watch" and nobody is surprised.
03/05/06 @ 17:12
Comment from: george [Visitor]
** Comment from: Norman [Visitor]

Just skimming through some of the comments there is the usual mis-facts coming from the anti-Wie brigade.

***************
Todd Commish said:
BUT SHE'S ALREADY GOTTEN THAT PRAISE AND SOME OF YOU HAVE ALREADY ANNOINTED HER, and she hasn't won a damn thing!
***************

Hasn't done a thing? Do you watch any golf?
***

Norman, once again you twist people's statements around. This habit of yours shows you are either obtuse or nefarious.

Todd Commish specifically said Wie "hasn't won a damn thing." Presuming that Todd Commish was referring to the LPGA tour, that statement is accurate.

You then try to twist it by stating that Todd Commish said "hasn't done a thing." Todd Commish never said that. And you either know it, in which case you're telling a falsehood, or you don't know it, in which case you're too dumb to be posting here anyway.

(of course, Norman, you're so thick you once arrogantly stated that "bested" could not be used as a verb, and then it turned out you were so ignorant that you didn't even know the correct definitions or usage of "bested" as a verb. So who knows, maybe you are the empty-headed)

Anyway, you follow up, after twisting Todd Commish's words falsely, with a cut and paste of your usual tired litany of the non-winning finishes of Wie.

You Wie Warriors called Baldwin a liar. OK, go ahead if that makes you feel better.

But Norman, you're at a new low when you deliberately twist what soebody said, and set up a strawman statement to knock down.

Did you really think you were going to get away with it?

-George
03/05/06 @ 23:08
Comment from: One-Putt [Visitor]
"Comment from: george [Visitor]

But Norman, you're at a new low when you deliberately twist what soebody said, and set up a strawman statement to knock down.

Did you really think you were going to get away with it?"

SOEBODY KNOWS THE TROUBLE I'VE SEEN..........

Roll the wheelchair off that oxygen line again George or ask for a refill.

Toad should be able to defend himself.

SCRATCH.......SCRATCH
03/06/06 @ 02:59
Comment from: george [Visitor]
1-putt:

**SOEBODY KNOWS THE TROUBLE I'VE SEEN**
**SCRATCH.......SCRATCH**

One-putt, it sounds like your "private" difficulties have become more intense.

At 13:14 hours, you were doing lower-case scratching. But several hours later, the letters had become upper case. Much louder scratching coming from you.

With all of your "private" activity, I'm certain it probably *is* true that "nobody knows the trouble you've seen."

Because with all the "private" scratching you're doing, "Sometimes you're up and sometimes you're down."

And that's the kind of trouble nobody wants to see.

-George
03/06/06 @ 04:15
Comment from: One-Putt [Visitor]
Comment from: george [Visitor]

BURP!


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