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Comment from: Kiel Christianson [Visitor] Email
/r/ (better written upside down, but this'll do here) is in no way a labiodental. It's a
alveolar approximant (sometimes retroflex). And /f/ is not an allophone in English, it's a phoneme. However, you are right about the sound that Tiger is making in this pic.
03/16/08 @ 22:48
Comment from: Ron Mon [Member] Email
I'll argue the /r/ as sometimes labiodental, since my teeth touch my lips when I say "ralph." I'll accept the correction of the /F/ as phoneme. Great picture, worth at least one word.
03/16/08 @ 23:20
Comment from: Kiel Christianson [Visitor] Email
Doesn't matter: the lips aren't the main
articulator, ie, it's not where the air is
restricted in the production of the phoneme.
Download Praat, record it both ways, and take a look at the first and second formants of the sound spectrograph. They should be identical (unless you've got an atypical speech impediment).
03/17/08 @ 08:10
Comment from: BV [Visitor]
Ron, thank you for this post. Kiel, thank you for your comments on it.

I've often wondered why so very few people read/comment on your posts (both of you), and this clears it up considerably.
03/17/08 @ 10:20
Comment from: Ron Mon [Member] Email
I cannot speak for Kiel, but I'd like to thank the person who reads these out loud to you, BV. It must help your comprehension immensely.
03/17/08 @ 11:15
Comment from: BV [Visitor]
Ron, in one of your comments on a different blog you characterized my postings as 'bitter'. I think you have only to look at what you wrote above for a truer definition of the word.
03/17/08 @ 16:33
Comment from: putt4par [Visitor] Email

No, BV, I do believe he was expounding on a biter.
03/17/08 @ 19:29
Comment from: JC [Visitor]
Oh My Gosh. Why are you guys trying to mince words here with all the phonetics. Just say he was about to say F*** and stop beating around the bush. :-)
03/20/08 @ 12:05
Comment from: Ron Mon [Member] Email
'Cause its fun, Jesus Christ (that's who you are, right?)
03/20/08 @ 12:58
Comment from: Wendy (UK) [Visitor]
What interest would a blog be of "Stripes (nice one) says F***"? When doesn't he? Long live phonetics.
03/20/08 @ 15:07
Comment from: JB [Visitor] Email
I seem to recall Mark Calcavecchia making a comment several years ago that golfers today are better than those of Jack's era, and that noone will ever be able to dominate the game the way Jack. i.e. indirectly an attempt to minize Jack's accomplishments. What does he think now?
03/20/08 @ 15:23

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