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Ron Mon [Member] in response to: A case of irresponsible reporting: Carnoustie greenkeeper suspended

Ron Mon [Member] — Sun, 24 Jun 2007 15:27:50 +0000

I bow to your superior investigative skills on this point, punter.

Anthony Urquhart [Visitor] in response to: A case of irresponsible reporting: Carnoustie greenkeeper suspended

Anthony Urquhart [Visitor] — Sun, 24 Jun 2007 14:12:44 +0000

Hate to say it Ron but you are clutching at straws. For a start, whether the suggestion box in Mass passed with no complaint is irrelevant. The one at Carnoustie caused sufficient stir that it made the headlines, if I am right, in the national British press (certainly the Daily Telegraph recalls it).

And Shinnecock and other US Open courses are most certainly controversial, but ground staff there merely follow the orders of the USGA. Philp played a crucial personal role in dictating the nature of Carnoustie in 99, although he now denies juicing up the rough with liquid fertiliser - which Mickelson the other day accused the USGA of picking up on for their courses. The importance of his role is made clear by the fact that the R&A have promised to take a much more pro-active role in Carnoustie's set-up this time around.

It also intrigues me that Philp seems to spend much of his life in denial. He was at it again last month at the R&A's annual press conference: Carnoustie 99? Nothing to do with me guv. it was the unusual weather wot dunnit.

But he again made some rather injudicious comments about some of his detractors and accused Davis Love III of talking "a load of crap". My cynical mind wonders whether this might not have started alarm bells ringing among leading lights at Carnoustie and the R&A. Last thing they want is some kind of verbal spat with players during the Open itself garnering headlines for all the wrong reasons. As I said before, I have a strong suspicion the timing of all this is no coincidence.

Jim C [Visitor] in response to: A case of irresponsible reporting: Carnoustie greenkeeper suspended

Jim C [Visitor] — Sun, 24 Jun 2007 06:42:08 +0000

This all sounds like the baseball player who was caught stealing.

Ron Mon [Member] in response to: A case of irresponsible reporting: Carnoustie greenkeeper suspended

Ron Mon [Member] — Sun, 24 Jun 2007 02:38:56 +0000

"However, he added that a tabloid newspaper report about an alleged assault on the teenage apprentice was "incorrect". It was claimed that Mr Philp grabbed the teenager by the throat and pushed him up against a wall." ... http://news.scotsman.com/scotland.cfm?id=962862007

"Philp was at his Carnoustie home yesterday as he awaited the outcome of the investigation.

He said: "This matter has been blown out of all proportion and I only hope that someone sees sense and resolves the issue as soon as possible.

"Other than that, I can't comment on the facts surrounding my suspension."
... http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/news/tm_headline=open-blow-as-greenkeeper-is-suspended&method=full&objectid=19317266&siteid=66633-name_page.html

While I do not believe that the linking of the current incident with an unrelated past incident is the definition of good journalism, it is always nice to receive helpful tips on the anonymous ways of the AP (Anonymous Press?) from one's superiors.

However, I'll refute a few issues: Taconic Golf Club in Williamstowne, Mass., has a suggestion box in the middle of a pond on the fourth hole. No complaints on that one.

Shinnecock Hills in 2004 and most US Open courses end up with over-par winners, yet no one complains that their greenkeepers are "controversial." Same goes with Augusta National.

As far as the cow-milking and Simpson analogies, perhaps that's a problem with journalism. Each offense should stand on its own, unless there is a direct correlation to previous ones. And as far as not giving a byline when one is due, well, that's just plain silly.

Anthony Urquhart [Visitor] in response to: A case of irresponsible reporting: Carnoustie greenkeeper suspended

Anthony Urquhart [Visitor] — Sun, 24 Jun 2007 01:15:43 +0000

If I may put this in a little context Ron Mon, the report you read is basically a follow up to reports that appeared at the start of this week in Scottish papers (under named bylines) reporting the alleged confrontation and suspension and making the simple, and I think newsworthy point that this guy seems to enjoy more than his fair share of controversy. (From the Daily Record link below you will read about his strange suggestion box ploy. There is also the claim, subsequently denied by the keeper, that some physical contact was involved in this latest incident). What I and I am sure others find a little peculiar is the proximity of this report to the return of the Open for the first time since the event earned this man the tag "Mr Car-nasty". That is bound to raise questions as to whether there isn't a some kind of fire behind this smoke, so to speak.

http://news.scotsman.com/scotland.cfm?id=962862007

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/news/tm_headline=open-blow-as-greenkeeper-is-suspended--&method=full&objectid=19317266&siteid=66633-name_page.html

PS: Mr Booger, what the hell do you know about journalism?

William K. Wolfrum [Member] in response to: A case of irresponsible reporting: Carnoustie greenkeeper suspended

William K. Wolfrum [Member] — Sat, 23 Jun 2007 18:44:25 +0000

Agreed with Tim: There is nothing even remotely wrong with this story.

An example: If O.J. Simpson gets into a traffic altercation and gets arrested, would you not mention his previous issues? Or are you only allowed to mention his murder trial if, in fact, he is accused of killing someone else?

Obviously, this is extreme. Think John Daly, as well. If he gets arrested for, say, illegal milking of a cow, would you need to surpess all his other issues, being as they were non cow-milking related.

So the story is: Groundskeeper suspended. Oh, let us tell you more about THE GROUNDSKEEPER (figured you'd appreciate the caps) both good, and bad, to flesh out the story.

As for the AP, here's the deal, though just a bit of research would tell you this: Newspapers pay money for using AP stories. Part of the deal, however, is that the AP is allowed to take stories from these papers, and AP-ify them. And then they give no credit to the newspaper, or the original writer and just slap "AP" on it.

Back in the day I was picked up a few times by the AP, and I'm sure Tim was, likely hundreds of times. With no byline, however.

Sorry Ron, but a truly silly effort.

--WKW

Ron Mon [Member] in response to: A case of irresponsible reporting: Carnoustie greenkeeper suspended

Ron Mon [Member] — Sat, 23 Jun 2007 17:21:40 +0000

Thanks, Booger. Don't know what I'd do if I were a PR and an SW. I didn't like the association, which is why I blogged.

Booger [Visitor] in response to: A case of irresponsible reporting: Carnoustie greenkeeper suspended

Booger [Visitor] — Sat, 23 Jun 2007 17:13:50 +0000

Blogger = possibility of truth to the reader
Journalist = professional liar and system whore