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Comment from: Norman [Visitor]
The Big "X" is a hard one to call.

1 Tiger Woods 17.39
2 Vijay Singh 10.26
3 Phil Mickelson 8.42
4 Retief Goosen 8.13
5 Ernie Els 7.76
6 Sergio Garcia 7.75
7 Jim Furyk 5.94
8 Adam Scott 5.17

* First I think we have to give Garcia his due, he is fairly entitled to be defined in the big 6 at the moment. Even if Els score is artifically low for now.
* I agree than Furyk looks like he is getting there, to maybe the big 7. However I thought the same about Padraig Harrington before unfortunate events. I think he will be a HUGE factor next year.
* Another thing, Monty is at number 9. When exactly is he going to stop rising up the world rankings.
12/06/05 @ 13:33
Comment from: Shanks [Member] Email
Those world rankings cover a 2 year period and, even though they are weighted towards the more recent events, Garcia had very 2 similar strong years in 04 & 05. Furyk almost nothing for results from January 04 until April 05. This Nedbank win was over an excellent field which included Sergio. And Furyk's 2003 (pre-injury) was better than any year Sergio has had.

Garcia is a terrific golfer - top 10 in anybody's world - but his frequent putting woes keep him a notch below Furyk.
12/06/05 @ 15:10
Comment from: Sarah [Visitor]
I agree that Furyk is an excellent golfer and poised to increase his points average in 2006. However, I don't agree he'll pass Garcia in the near future.

You bring up Furyk's wrist-induced poor result's prior to April 05. I averaged each player's unweighted OWGR points post-Masters 05 to present and found Garcia averaged 7.86 points per tournament and Furyk 6.55. That number doesn't really show Garcia as notch below Furyk or vice-versa. If you want to talk about the Big "X" as Norman put it, Garcia and Furyk could belong in the "Big 7."
12/06/05 @ 16:52
Comment from: Norman [Visitor]
Wow, thanks Sarah.
I wouldn't have thought Garcia did better post the Masters.

The big 5 sounds better, doesn't it. I think if X becomes too big, it sort of loses it's meaning a bit.

In recent times the big 5 has probably gone anyway, with Woods being the BIG 1, once again.
12/06/05 @ 18:31
Comment from: Shanks [Member] Email
Sarah, I notice you left out the Masters, where Sergio missed the cut. As majors count very heavily, that would have affected your averages significantly. And I have not checked but I don't think the Nedbank results are included in world rankings either.

But my point was that Furyk is just arriving back to the top of his game and when he is there, he is slightly better than Sergio has ever been (yet).
12/07/05 @ 07:53
Comment from: Sarah [Visitor]
I started the averages post-Masters because both Furyk and Sergio missed the cut there. Including the Masters would have zero effect. (Nedbank results didn't count in world rankings this year. Had they the averages would have been closer together.)
12/07/05 @ 10:16
Comment from: Shanks [Member] Email
Furyk finished in 28th place alone.
12/07/05 @ 10:21
Comment from: Ron Mon [Member] Email
Right now it's the big three. None of the top trio had any crushing defeats in 2005. Be honest, who really expected Tiger to win the US Open? That he hung in for second was a testimony to his self. Retief is out until he redeems his US Open blow-up. Ernie is making a career out of exotic victories, akin to his countryman, Gary Player. Player, however, had many more than Ernie's three majors. Garcia and Furyk don't come close. Garcia has not challenged in a major for quite some time (I'm thinking Medinah) and Furyk's one major victory came during a week when his closest challenge came from Peter who?
12/08/05 @ 21:07
Comment from: Shanks [Member] Email
I'm curious Ron Mon, why would you sneer at Furyk's 2003 US Open win? Woods, Singh, Els, Mickelson and Goosen all played in it too. It really can't be helped that they weren't able to keep pace with Furyk and "Peter who" aka Stephen Leaney. Furyk beat Leaney by 3, Garcia & Kenny Perry by 7 and everybody else by at least 8 shots. It was quite a performance.
12/09/05 @ 08:03
Comment from: Norman [Visitor]
That was quite a performance by Furyk and if he can get back to that level he will be a force to be reckoned with.

As regards Ernie Els, the guy has been out injured the last few months and is just back in action. Give him a bit of time.

Also, he would be ahead of Phil in rankings if not for his injuries.
12/09/05 @ 17:19
Comment from: Steven [Visitor]
I was fortunate enough to be at Sun City for The Nedbank Challenge. Furyk gained an enormous amount of repect in South Africa when he disqualified himself a year ago. A true gentleman and a worthy champion.
12/11/05 @ 10:49
Comment from: Denver Player [Visitor]
If we are using the past two years as the comparator, I think we stop at the "Big 5".

No disrespect to Garcia or Furyk, but I think the players in the "Big 5" are at another level.

I'd like to see both Els and Garcia focus more/most of their efforts on the PGA Tour to see what they can do. All that int'l travel has to take away from their efforts here in America.

I think there would be a great argument that Tiger is at another level all his own, and I don't think he has been playing at a level equal to '99/'00.

He still has changes to incorporate and solidify in his swing. Once he does, he will be entering perhaps the most productive years of his golfing career. Maybe we see an extended run to meet or exceed '99-'00.
12/12/05 @ 08:49
Comment from: Shanks [Member] Email
Based on the last 2 years alone, I agree with you. To be fair, Furyk was injured and/or coming back from injury during that time. Now that he's finally gotten over this 2-year injury delay we shall see if he is able to get to the highest level of the game on a more consistent basis as he started to do in '03. That year Tiger & Vijay both had a better year but not Mickelson, Els & Goosen did not.
12/12/05 @ 13:25
Comment from: Denver Player [Visitor]

I like Furyk, alot. I root for him.

But I have to be realistic. He is a "plodder". A grinder. I see him much in the same light as Scott Hoch, minus the c@%&!. Steady game, always in the $$. I just don't see him hitting the ball long enough to compete in the majors other than the US Open. He may just be another Hale Irwin.

Look at what they did in Augusta. Lengthening AGAIN. The PGA is tantamount to a "birdiefest" compared to the other majors. Going low isn't Furyk's strength. I don't think "the Open Championship" is conducive to Furyk's higher ball flight, either.

I see the top golfers vying for the majors. I see Furyk being a contender, but only in the US Open. I see Els, Woods, Goosen and Mickelson being a contender in all 4.

12/13/05 @ 19:59
Comment from: Shanks [Member] Email
I agree with you that Furyk's high ball flight will likely keep him from winning the Open. However, I totally disagree with the notion that going low is not his strength. Yes, he plays very well on tough courses as evidenced by his US Open, Memorial & Western Open wins. But this man, who is generally considered one of the better putters on Tour, won in Las Vegas THREE times - a birdiefest if there ever was one. In fact, half of the tournaments he's won have been at more than 20 under par.
12/15/05 @ 10:20
Comment from: Denver Player [Visitor]
Touche'. But Las Vegas usually doesn't draw the competitive fields the majors do.
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