Michelle Wie versus the Big Boys
There has been a lot of discussion in these blogs about the relative strength of men vs. women, particularly when it comes to the case of a 16 year-old female wunderkind, one Michelle Wie. She dreams of playing in the Masters and duelling with Tiger Woods, Phil Mickelson and the like. Much anecdotal evidence has been offered supporting the pro and con views of her future in the game.
Golf is a game of skill and nerve, where physical strength is a huge advantage when combined with them. Fred Funk defies rational thought in this area. He’s small in stature, virtually the shortest hitter on the PGA Tour (excluding the diminutive Corey Pavin), and perennially near the bottom of the Tour putting rankings. Yet he has won 7 PGA Tour titles in his career including the 2005 Players Championship, which has the best field of any tournament in the world and is generally considered the game’s 5th Major Championship. How in the hell does he do it?
The good news for the shorter hitters is that strength alone does not rule a round, a given contest, a year or even a career. Nor does one’s average skill level. Oh sure, to be blessed with natural talent is preferable, unless the dreaded “potential” becomes a curse by going unfulfilled. Then everyone wants to know what happened.
This game of golf is so unpredictable. It lends itself to such clichés as “It’s not the size of the dog in the fight, but it’s the size of the fight in the dog.” Certain players, when playing at the top of their skill level and finding themselves in a tight competition, are somehow able to sometimes kick it into another gear and do things they normally don’t do. Like the Ryder Cup Matches or Presidents Cup when players seem to knock in chip shots on every other hole. Or like Fred, when he’s making a lot of putts.
So, back to the case of the ultra-talented Miss Wie, there are so many questions for her to answer, given the lack of winning efforts - even against her peers - that we don’t know how much fight is in that dog. I find it extremely unlikely that she could ever compete at the highest level with the likes of Tiger, Phil, Vijay & Ernie. In fact, I’d bet against it. But just because I don’t think so, and just because it’s never been done before, doesn’t mean that it couldn’t possibly happen. Just ask Fred.
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As you stated, many parts of the golf game are important.
Here is Wie under the important areas:
* Driving: she can drive the ball about averaging 270 yards off the tee and sometimes hitting over 300 yards. She could do with increasing this about 10-15 yards.
* Long Game: pretty good.
* Long irons: good, but not great.
* Short Game: chiping from bunkers or areas in around greens has improved dramatically. Has lots of shots that you would associate with much more experience players.
* Putting: very dodgy. This just needs plenty of attention.
* Confidence: has shown plenty of steel in competing with very high finishes where there was a pressure to do well. Also against men amatuers.
However, hasn't yet put away a tournament or made a mens cut. Most worrying incident was recent Casio Open.
Of the above, the confidence will probably improve in time. The putting is bound to with all the coaching she will be getting. The main point though, is that power isn't really MW's main weekness.
If Michelle Wie fails to make it on the pga, I don't think it will have anything to do with strength.
By the way, I don't presume that she will be able to compete with Tiger, Els etc. either. What I am hoping for is that she could gain a pga tour card. That would be great.
Any women, how good and talented they may be, has almost an impossible task against competing against PGA players. There are just no real training grounds to fully prepare her for PGA. Nationwide may help, but again, the level of competition just pales compared to PGA.
Which to me bring me back to MIchelle Wie. She has tremendous obstacles stacked against her, if she wants to fulfill her stated desire to play in "Masters." Few things in her favor are her youth, her support structure (coaches, handlers, money, parents, etc) and last but not the least her "Swing."
She has physical potential to compete against men (it seems being able to hit 300+ yards is a prerequisite to being a male golfing professional these days) What makes her exciting is HER SWING. I don't know any other women who can hit like that. What intrigues me is whether she can master the mental aspect of PGA. She has the "Swing' and with her work ethics she will doubtlessly improve her techniques. It is the mental maturity that I am looking for in her. Lastly, she is also plesant to look at when she is hitting the ball and even when she isn't. I wish her well and will root for her. I know how difficult her task will be.
I assume she would try to go the Q school route in a few years after she improves her game and has some wins on the LPGA. It wouldn't cost that much for her to try in time or money. She could try it for a few years and simply stay in the LPGA if she fails. If she succeeds one year, she should play a season or two and see what happens. I'm not sure how long she would want to play in the PGA, since she would likely be trading being one of the top players on the LPGA for being back in the pack on the PGA.
I agree with almost all the comments. While I am a great fan of MW since she was 11, I have serious doubts of whether she will be able to compete regularly on the PGA. I expect that she will eventually make a cut, but to seriously contend against the best of the PGA, will be difficult. But I have to respect her for even trying. Unfortunately, her length is between the PGA and the LPGA. I am sure she rarely uses her driver in the LPGA and uses a wedge on almost every 4 par hole. I think she is smart enough to know that her bread and butter will be on the LPGA. The Asian and European tournaments will also want her.
One barrier MW faces is her beautiful swing. Technically, it is almost flawless. But it relies mostly on speed to make up for her lack of strength. Under pressure, any small flaw in her timing will result in a "bad" stroke. Hopefully, she will solve her short putting problem. It has to be mental. Meanwhile, isn't she a joy to watch?
But not Morgan... Morgan is a crying machine.
However, Matt has brought the tone down much further, with his Wie bashing. Doesn't he think 16 year old girls should cry? If anyone tuned into the WWE, a few weeks ago, you would have seen plenty of grown men bawling their eyes out.
Norman, If your fondest wish is for Michelle Wie to acquire a PGA tour card, perhaps you'd like to inform some of us how MW could accomplish this task.
* If she were to get the maximum 7 sponsors invites and make enough money to be in the top 125, she could be a member. That isn't very easy though in just 7 events.
* Q-school, extremely difficult as you said.
* I could go into lots of other ways, but the point is, no matter what way she does it, it will be extremely difficult.
In my opinion, over the next few years, Michelle will try to win enough money in sponsors invites to get a tour card, but most likely fail.
She will try to get her tour card at q-school but probably fail. She will probably even fail to get through sectional qualifying to begin with.
It will be a gradual process for Michelle, just like it is for any other golfer. However, the main different is, that any little stumble she makes will be analysed and many people will be enjoying and loving any stage in her career where she doesn't break through to the next stage.
So, basically, if she eventually gets a tour card, it won't be for quite some time, so many people will be able to enjoy knocking her efforts between now and then.
Now, the reason I used that example was because I heard on the news that a very famous professional wrestler had died, his name escapes me. The point I was making is that a whole heap of big massive muscle bound men started talking about his life and how they missed him and they were all bawling their eyes out.
If they can cry so can Michelle.
Norman I have enjoyed your comments and while we tend to disagree I have always listened to your points and tried to respond respectfully and thoughfully, until now.
Does that include another one of these blogs a day or two back when you called me a wan*er?
We could agree that Creamer is hot!
I like the look of Creamer, but I admire Wie's ambition. .... oh no there's another argument!!!!
But your writing about Wie wasn't nice. I think it is important to do
best for your life. That is Wie's will. She is not harm to anyone!!!
contains their code of conduct:
All Anti-Wie-ners must abide by these rules:
- If Wie has any achievement such as high finishes in a major, completely rubbish this, but if any other player does the same, praise this as a wonderful achievement and almost a win.
- If Creamer wins a tournament in Japan, glorify this as an amazing event, but not too much, because we need to keep in mind if Michelle is to do the same, we will need to rubbish this and say that only proper lpga events count.
- If Wie nearly makes a pga cut. Discount her age. Discount the fact that she is playing against pros, many for 20 years. Dismiss her performance, and always maintain that missing the cut by 1 and missing by 100 are the exactly the same thing.
- Seek out players who have won amatuer titles, no matter how easy the competition. Say that those players are better than Wie. If it is proven that Wie has beaten those same players on the lpga several times, just say only wins count.
- Finally insult Wie for not playing amatuer events instead of majors. It may not make alot of sense for her to play an amatuer event instead of a major, but then again, what else in our rules makes sense?
- Wie is being minipuilated by her "handlers" to do everything possible to maximize sponsership money.
- anyone with dangly earlings playing the pga tour should be ridiculed because women are inferior to men.
I haven't said that there is an easy route for Michelle to get a pga tour card.
At this moment, she has the potential to develop into a player who is capable of qualifying to the pga tour. For that she needs to improve her putting considerable, her mental side a bit, and her distance a little.
If she does the above, then she will be able to qualify for the pga tour, the same as anyone else does. If she is good enough she will get there the same way many of the q-school grads did this year or the nationwide grads or any other route. Being good enough is the key, the route is not.
In my opinion, she should continue as she is for the next couple of years. Play the 8 lpga events. Then play a couple of pga exemptions, not too many, and play some foreign events. She should build up her experience this way.
In my opinion, she should then try to qualify for the nationwide tour. There she would be playing against very good players, but not the very best. There she would have some chance of winning in time, and after a couple or a few years maybe finish high enough on the money list to gain a pga tour card (I think it is the top 12 that gain tour cards). She could also try q-school at the same time, which may end in failure but give more valuable experience.
I have never claimed that Michelle Wie will definetely qualify for a full time pga tour card or win events there. I have stated that it is my belief that she has the potential to do so. Many young men, who have the potential don't actually qualify at any stage of their careers. Hopefully Michelle will. If she continues to make the progress that she has in the last couple of years, then I think she will be very successful, and yes as regards getting a pga card.
Over the past couple of years, Michelle has gone, from just about qualifying for an lpga tournament, and missing the cuts, to just making the cuts, then to challenging. Last year she made the biggest progress of being right up near the top in 5 of 8 lpga tournaments, 2 of which were majors. Quarter finals of a mens amatuer event, and a loss to the eventual winner was a great achievement also. I think some people are completely underestimating just how far she has come.
Whether she continues to make progress and reaches the next level is something none of us can say for sure.
At this moment looking around the lpga, I don't think there are any definetes. The few who have decent length such as Sophie Gustafson, simply aren't good enough players.
Annika is not going to do it as I have said before.
Paula Creamer in my opinion will try to dominate the lpga tour. If she does this successfully and increases her distance, I believe she will probably test herself against the men, although not necessarily in the pga, but that is some time away.
The "others" are probably some young girls who are watching Wie on tv at the moment. It is my belief that she has been and will inspire many other girls to follow in her footsteps. Many people used to believe that women couldn't compete with men on a golf course. Many including yourself still do. However, it is my belief that Michelle Wie is breaking down some of those barriers that exist within people minds. Taking away the previous belief that it was not possible will be crucial in bringing the next generation of Wie's. Funily enough, they will probably be refered to as the Wie-warriers.
So practically speaking, we need to wait until December 2007. Good enough? Some people downplayed her performance at the John Deere because so many of the best players skipped the tournament. Hardly any of the best players will be at Q school. The 6 rounds of Q school minimize the role of luck--but other than that making the cut even at a weak tournament would seem to be more difficult than making the top 30 at Q school. 6 rounds like her two at the John Deere might be enough to get through Q school, or at least come close.
As for stubborn, how about a man, who thinks, that a girl who turned 16 years old a couple of months ago's career is over. No hope. She might as well just give it up!!!!
You should try to contact the Wie family to let them know your opinion. As soon as they listen to your arguments, they will probably decide to chuck in the golf.
As regards agreeing to disagree, that is all well and good, but the fact remains that I have answered every one of your questions with plenty of reasoning.
You really need to get off your high horse and take a decent look at the facts.
MW at 16 is better, than a couple of female players at most, and is willing to TRY to compete with the top men in the world. She should be applauded, not knocked at every opportunity.
We might kick you out of the Wie Warriors if you say things like "MW at 16 is better, than a couple of female players at most." That would make her one of the very worst golfers in the world.
Just kidding, I know what you meant--all but a couple of female players. Let's see how things work out for Michelle Wie. I look forward to the Sony, and then I guess she will play in the two LPGA events held in Hawaii the next month.
Another issue with the Nationwide tour is whether it is capable of handling her. Even though the novelty of a woman playing against men will wear off, she would probably still attract a big crowd, especially if she has a chance of getting to the top 20 for the year (the cutoff for getting a PGA card). I've watched a couple of Nationwide events on tv, and they seem very low key with few fans in attendance. Some of them don't even sell tickets. Then again, they may be happy to get more attention and bigger crowds.
Maybe she'll try to join a men's tour in asia. Of course it's not a direct path to playing in the Masters but it would be a lucrative way to gain experience.
Yes, English is my 2nd language.
- You said, " Hey, that's just me."
Is this mean you do not care about others opinions that have proofs?
Certainly the 7 exemptions on the pga tour to try to make enough money and q-school are the more likely options.
I also agree that maybe a stint in Japan would be good for her. I don't think it matters which route she takes, as long as her game keeps improving.
I think one thing is for sure, she won't be joining any tour in the next couple of years. She can pick and choose and get more and more experience.
I like James attitude of, lets just wait for the Sony & the next couple of womens tournaments in Hawaii. All of us here are really getting ahead of ourselves taking about years down the road. Plenty of us know that she is good enough to make the pga tour at some stage, but this won't be proven in the short term.
Go Wie at the Sony!
I'm guessing that will shut up the guy who questioned her perfomance there.
Creamer is still possibly a better player than Wie though.
My idol is Annika.
About Wie, I see her potential.
Wie's talent, combined with high motivation, will take her as far up as she wants to.
Where is your ancestors native land?
I learned that native indian americans are the true owner of USA.
By the way, thanks for acknowledging progress on my English.
One more thing no female golfers can be better than Annika.
Give it a rest for crying out loud. It seems that you are trying to dominate this site with sheer quantity (not quality) of your comments. I don't even know what your issue is, except to bash Wie.
My feeling is that she will not join Lpga, Pga or any other tour for that matter, even if she could. She is afterall a 16 year old full time high scholler. Your seeming obsession with the way byh ch she will join PGA seems rather mute. She will probably continue to play professional golf part time the way she has been during summer and vacations. for the next few years she will probably do that till she either gets her game up to play PGA or will play LPGA. Only time will tell.
Try coming up with a more relevant and interesting issue next time, John Z.
Not trying for any literature awards with blogs.
The article predicts she would earn around $34,000 per tournament, not bad, but much less than she earns on the LPGA. I assume if she drove a few yards longer that would go up a lot.
Driving and putting are the stats that are the article says are the most different between men and women. The article says that men take an average of 1.75 putts (the same as Annika's average) and women 1.84. I think the author is wrong about the putting stats. Later in the article he contradicts himself when he says that Annika's average is 1.75 which would place her as number 20 amoung the men. The stats look fairly close to me at the top, e.g. Annika is 1.75 and Tiger 1.73.
I see a mistake in your comment.
You wrote: an spelling police.
You meant to write: a spelling police, didn't you?
Or am I wrong?
First, the courses are much longer, averaging about 40-50 yards longer per hole. She would not be able to hit the ball close to the hole as often as she does on the LPGA Tour. And that was evident when she played at Colonial even though that course plays shorter than most. The second reason is power & spin. Annika does not get as much spin as the male players which makes it more difficult for her to stop the ball on the PGA Tour's firmer greens - even when she does get a short iron in her hand. At Colonial she had to play to the center of the green, leaving many long putts for birdie. (But that is what has everyone so excited about Michelle Wie. At 16 years old she already hits it slightly longer than Annika and will probably add length as she gets a little older. However it's the rest of the game that will determine how successful she is against the men.)
Annika would probably be able to make the adjustment to putting the faster surfaces of the PGA Tour but longer approach putts means less putts made and adds up to more putts per round.
I think she would make some cuts - especially at Hilton Head where the premium is on accuracy - but I seriously doubt she could make enough in a year to get in the top 125.
I think Michelle has better backspin, but I'm not sure. It's very much an open question whether she can increase her driving distance. From the stats, it doesn't seem like she has increased it that much over the last 2 years. Here are some of her averages at men's events:
Sony 2004: 261
Sony 2005: 261
John Deere: 271
At the Casio, however, she did drive 4 drives over 300 yards, including one that was 320.
* for 2 long designated holes on a golf course, they take the drives on each, and the average of these is what driving distance is calculated by.
Therefore for 2 days at a tournament Michelle's driving is based on just 4 holes. At the Casio, for one of her drives on one of the designated holes she completely messed up her shot, so that took her average way down.
I'm just trying to show that it isn't particularly accurate over one tournament.
For example in the Nationwide Tournament that Michelle entered when she was 13 years old in 2003, her average drive was 281 yards.
I do think she would make some cuts, but I think she would struggle to get any high places and I think she would be around the 125 on the money list.
However, give Annika Michelle's power to be able to hit longer drives and generate the power needed to spin her approach shots to the green and she could make it.
Annika doesn't possess the power required. Her driving is very "gentle" and relies heavily on timing. Watch out for the next breed of female golfer, that will have more power to their game, in the same way the women's tennis changed to a power game.
If they were to train anything similar to female tennis players they would have plenty of power.
As regards listing a tournament on a mens course and one on a womens course, I could easily list a womens tournament wher the winning score was 12 under, and then find a mens tournament where the winning socre was 1 under. Finishing scores prove nothing.
By the way, if you are trying to say that the pga tour is much stronger than the lpga, then nobody is arguing with you. Only the top women have a chance at the pga.
As regards the men with their longer higher drives. If you paid any notice to the MW debate. The point is that she drives it long and high.
4 drives over 300 yards at the Casio. She can put a fair bit of spin on it too. That is why she is the one competing agains the men.
I can't understand why you think Wie isn't competing well on the PGA.
Compare her with Tiger Woods who is by far the best golfer of recent times.
In his first attempts at the PGA between the ages of 16 and 19 his scores to par were +5, +10, +6, +9, +13, +3, +5.
This is all while he was winning well as an amateur.
Michelle has competed significantly better at a younger age.
Alan said to compare her to Tiger Woods first attempts on the pga tour.
Only you could be stupid enough to think he wanted you to compare someone starting their career to someone who has been playing pga events for 14 years.
Lets compare there first 3 events:
Tiger: +5, +10, +6
Michelle: E, +9, +1
Michelle's 1st event, better than Tiger's 1st event.
Michelle's 2nd event, better than Tiger's 2nd event.
Michelle's 3rd event, better than Tiger's 3rd event.
By the way, for Michelle's upcoming 4th event, she needs to beat the tough score of +9 set by Tiger in his 4th event to keep the streak going. Thanks Alan for figures.
John, can even you try to deny that she has done better than Tiger?
I wouldn't be surprised if you were stupid enough to try.
You mention 3 US Junior Amateur titles won by Tiger--at ages 15,16, and 17. If these are of significance, why isn't Michelle Wie's adult win at the WAPL at age 13 considered significant?
I reached the conclusion that it is not worth discussing anything with Z. Don't bother with him. He is best if you talk over him and not directly at him.
The problem with golf as with writing is that everybody thinks they can do it. The plain fact is that only few can really play it well. The rest of us are hacks with varying degree of success. Golf is probably one of the most technically demanding games. Sure, anybody can hit a golf ball, but only a few can strike it well and consistently over time.
You see this all the time at the golf courses and ranges. Those with little knowledge usally are the loudest critics, making anal and minute comments concerning some obscure and slight flaws. Instead of appreciating someone's talent, they make assanine criticisms, blowing things out of proportion. These small minded people are either under a delusion that they can somehow and somewhere under right conditions play better or simply jealous. When all reasons and common sense fail them, they become insistent like Z, repeating mantra after mantra. This kind of people will never really change. Poor Z. Such a sad man. Lmao
That was Jon.
She seems to have a relaxed attitude about it though. Before the round she said "This tournament offers me a brand new experience but I'm here out of gratitude for what I've got from the place I love -- Okinawa. I'll just try my best to please the people who come out on the course and watch me play," and "I can't reach the green in two shots on any of the par-5s here, so it would be tough if they have difficult pin positions. Shooting even-par will probably be the best I could do."
One thing she is better than MW at is expectation setting.
It is a pity, but I guess it shows just how good Michelle Wie is.
Too bad some people have little hope of ever grasping that.
Fair play to Ai for trying though.
You are on the button with your comments about Z. I have just said the same thing on Baldies Wie Blog.
He obviously hasn't an ounce of reasoning in his body.
Maybe he is getting senile. I think he said he is in his seventies.
Just for the record I am English. I am not racist, fascist or any other ist you might think of.
It is true that they don't have players very high up in the world rankings. However the reason for the level of play is certainly much higher than their rankings.
Very mediocre professions in the US get to play against high ranked opposition on the pga tour. Due to this, they can get lots of bonus ranking points.
In Japan if you win tournaments it is still very hard to climb up the world rankings, hence their low rankings.
I reckon many of the lower pga tour players with ranking much higher than their Japanese counterparts, would struggle on the Japanese tour.
"But her trip suddenly went south on the 396-yard, par-4 15th. Miyazato hooked her drive to the left-side bunker, sliced her second shot into the right-side bunker, and then sent her third shot into yet another sand trap 20 yards short of the green.
Her misery continued when she mishit a sand wedge, moving her ball from one side of the bunker to the other from a sunny-side-up lie. Miyazato used up five shots before reaching the edge of the green, and had to pencil in a seven on her scorecard".
That must have been very difficult for her to deal with.
I am confident that Michelle will beat that.
I think if Wie had similar rounds to Ai's round, she would have taken a break from the mens game.
Given Wie has done so well, there is certainly very little chance of her stopping competing with the men anytime soon.
As regards Ai's 2nd round, you have to feel sorry for the one guy who is behind her (4 shots behind her).
I'm just hoping that Ai puts together a decent round and picks up some places after the 2nd round. If she puts in a 5 over round, she should pick up some places.
By the way, has anybody noticed that Chris Baldwin hasn't put out a story critisising Ai's first round 80.
What do you mean in the words of another California governor? Nixon lost in his run for governor in 1962--that's why he promised us we wouldn't have him to kick around anymore. But obviously he changed his mind.
Miss Creamer won and also made a great deal of money in 2005 to finish second to the most dominent player on any tour. She played a full LPGA schedule, plus the invites to the after tour events.
During 2005 Miss Creamer and Miss Wie competed in eight LPGA sanctioned events together.
Although Miss Wie did not play a full schedule (limited to eight exemptions) she finished ahead of Miss Creamer in five of those eight events.
Based on this consistentcy of performance Miss Wie would have finished in the top five money leaders on the LPGA tour if she played a full schedule (without winning).
Not bad for a sixteen year old child.
Miss Wie finished ahead of Ms. Sorenstam twice out of these seven matches. She also tied Ms. Sorenstam at the US Women's Open and finished second behind her at the McDonald's LPGA Championship.
Again I state: not bad for a sixteen year old child.
She has whipped the butts of many a professional male or female golfer as a child.
I haven't noticed any columnists taking these Professionals to task for their poor outings against said child.
So that is another achievement
ie under par in a pga tour event.
RRR, just where you are saying that she would have finished in the top 5 of the money list based on her performance, there is another factor.
Michelle played in the most difficult events with the most difficult fields. It is not unreasonable to expect, that if she had played a full season, with many weaker fields, that she would have done even better in some of those events.
As I have pointed out before. If you look at the stats for the events she played in, half of which were majors, you will find her average placing was second only to Annika. Her season was phenomenal for a school kid, hence the reason she is called a phenom. She has truely earned the title
Miss Wie will get all the Sponsor's Exemptions she can handle because it makes business sense.
Nike and Sony both showed up at Miss Wie's door to court her as an endorser and paid a premium because of the other offers surrounding her. She could have easily been a Taylor Made, Cleveland, Callaway or Ping endorser and yet Nike saw the potential to use Miss Wie to expand their entire golf line worldwide and paid up. Sony saw the same potential to increase worldwide sales.
Offers for her services are coming from all the automobile manufacturers. I think she just got her license?
I can assure you the Japanese want her driving one of their cars around Hawaii.
"Do I want to play in a men's tournament again?" she quipped. "No. But who knows what will happen 10 years from now."
The 1st hole was 444 yards.
Ai hit the ball 290 yards with the assistance of wind. Yet she ended up with a triple bogie there.
I think that shows that she needs to improve alot more things, than just her distance off the tee.
Guess what that theory didn't work. It is blatantly obvious that at this moment in time there is only one female who has the game to challenge the men and yes it is Wie.
Apart from being the only female with the array of shots she is the only one that has the desire and that is what makes her so special.
I didn't mean you
However his comments are likely to provoke reaction at the Sony.
Even if Wie were to make the cut, he and more particularly Chris Baldwin, would be insulting her final placing.
"Okay she made the cut, but she finished near the back of the field of those who made it".
Lets get one thing clear. If Wie makes the cut at the Sony, it is a big success even if she shoots a terrible score the next two days.
I just have this feeling that it is going to happen this year at the Sony, I did not get that feeling before the Casio.
Ai Miyazato Record in the Same Event as Michelle Wie
Kraft Nabisco Championship Finished 44th at +9
U.S. Women's Open Cut
Evian Masters Finished 57th at +9
Weetabix Women's British Open Finished 11 at –7
Kraft Nabisco Championship Finished 14th at E
U.S. Women's Open Finished 23rd at +12
Evian Masters Finished 2nd at –7
Weetabix Women's British Open Finished 3rd at –10
69, 69, 75, 72
I would be very happy.
I still think making the cut is the big deal, and if she does, then nobody can take that away from her.
RRR, I think Ai's best golf is still to come. She did great at the q-school but obviously isn't consistantly good yet.
Daddy is no longer her caddie; she has hired a professional who can hopefully help her through of the rough times and play within herself.
She has one of the best coaches in golf David Ledbetter working with her nearly full time now.
In her stable she has what every top-level professional golfer maintains in their entourage; a nutritionist, sports psychologist, personal trainer and the all-important ability to travel by First Class or Business Jet to her events.
These factors Norman along with not having to live payday to payday, will give Miss Wie a huge advantage compared to other golfers beginning their career as a professional.
All this while she still is in high school taking her SAT/s.
This does say something about the difficulty of what michele wie is doing playing essentially 2 different versions of golf with women and with men.
Of course Wie is competing against the men. Unless you are suggesting half of the men (the ones that have no chance of winning) are not competing also. There are a lot of the guys who are just trying to make the cut.
Just out of interest, who were the other players that were better than Tiger at 14, 15 or 16 years old?
Golf is a game of stats, and there is no reason why one shouldn't compare Wie's PGA performances with Tiger's
You have gotton so many things wrong!
* Firstly in misquoting me. I said that Michelle Wie should not be compared to Tiger Woods as he stands NOW.
The reason why I compare Michelle to Tiger sometimes is EASY TO UNDERSTAND. People insult Michelle's first 3 performances on the pga tour. I simply say LOOK AT TIGER'S FIRST PERFORMANCES. MICHELLES PERFORMANCES ARE MUCH BETTER THAN TIGER'S FIRST PERFORMANCES. TIGER IS THE BEST. HOW CAN ANYONE WITH ANY SHREAD OF COMMON SENSE INSULT SOMEONES RESULTS, WHEN THOSE RESULTS ARE BETTER, THAN THE BEST PLAYER IN THE WORLD HAD AT THE SAME POINT IN HIS CAREER.
So please stop cutting and pasting small sections of a point, to take it out of context.
As regards, the Sony Open, I said that I have a feeling that she is going to make the cut. That is not a confidence, it is just a feeling.
As regards the wind, if it blows like last year, then no I don't think she would make the cut then. I've tried to explain that before, but obviously you know little about wind in golf and the sheer experience required to overcome it.
As regards competing, as Alan said: Michelle is competing.
Are you saying you cut the following out of one of Normans comments
"Also just for the record can we stop using the term competing against the men, competing implies Michelle Wie is in the tournament to win, she is not, she is trying to make the cut, a great goal, but not the same as competing or winning. Let's use playing with from now on; example--Sponsers exemptions let Michelle Wie play with the big boys on the PGA Tour."
When did Norman write this?
You are priceless.
Now that you tire of us does this mean you won't be writing on this blog anymore.
I don't think you will be missed.
I don't think me or Shanks will be going back to that argument, thank you very much.
The thing that is inconsistant in what you say though, is that you thought I was a lost cause then, but you've been blogging against stuff I say since then.
The second inconsistancy is that you seem not to like being insulted, yet you called me a wanker, before I said anything against you.
Like I just commented in another blog, Creamer won twice in Japan, and I give her, her due credit.
She has probably surpassed Wie's play at this stage and I think will be very much the clear number 2 player next season. I think Creamer will pull further away from Kerr in the money list, but not challenge Annika just yet.
Paula could win as many as 5 titles next season if it goes well, but more likely 3 or 4.
Also I was cheering for Pressel at the US Open, as soon as Wie was out of contention.
If you think calling someone priceless is hurtful you must be easily offended.
If you write contentious crap on a blog you have to expect some friendly backchat.
Don't you find it funny that everyone basically disagrees with you opinions? There is a definite pattern here.
Also you said that you had tired of blogging, why have you written another thousand words of rubbish today. Yesterday you gave us all hope.
I did a word count. I didn't read all of your comments.
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