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Comment from: Norman [Visitor]
Agreed. The new Wie Rule will be coming soon.
I think the majors should have similar entry rules to each other anyway.
12/20/05 @ 11:55
Comment from: June [Visitor]
I can't wait for those Morgan fans to come out and say bad thing about Michelle and Kraft's intention to change the rule now that Morgan doesn't need the rule changes.

When fist this news came out that Kraft might change their rule to allow Morgan and Michelle can play, even they (Morgan fans) were all for it. Now that Morgan will get in without the rule changes, they will come out in full stride criticizing Kraft and LPGA for bending the rule for a certain 16 year old girl.

Who is going to take the first shot?

Regardless of what Morgan fans think, LPGA and Kraft are stupid if they aren't going to change the rule.

Think about it. Michelle's first major as a pro. Plus Kraft is the place where Michelle first burst into the main stage in 2002 playing Sunday in the final group with Annika. Where she finished 4th in 2003. Michelle already had enough history with Kraft and it would a stupid move for Kraft not to change the rule.
12/20/05 @ 14:23
Comment from: Ron Mon [Member] Email
Two things: What is this crap about Morgan fans and Michelle fans and Paula fans? Am I loopy, or doesn't golf fandom recognize that all three are fan-worthy, and that one can be a fan of all three without adopting aliases.

Second: Shanks, you do your homework. I don't know where you dig out this information, but the factoid on the Kraft and its exemption policy is nuclear.
12/20/05 @ 14:40
Comment from: June [Visitor]
Well, Ron Mon. You can be a fan of all three. But if you pretend you don't know about this big animosity between thsoe fans, you are out of touch with reality.

You just wait a day or two and see what they (Morgan fanatics) say about this rule situation. Just wait and see.
12/20/05 @ 15:32
Comment from: Boola Boss [Visitor]
Come on, we ALL know Michelle will be in the field when this major finally gets underway. The LPGA will figure out a way to get her in. It is a no-brainer! It WILL get done!
12/20/05 @ 19:04
Comment from: dean [Visitor]
Hello. Norman, June, Ron from Dean. I'm no understand to this. please explane if you want have time, thank you Dean.
12/20/05 @ 19:24
Comment from: Mason [Visitor]
Norman said:

Agreed. The new Wie Rule will be coming soon.
I think the majors should have similar entry rules to each other anyway.


I disagree that similar entry rules or the majors makes sense. Look at the PGA for a moment. The Masters is an elite, smaller field that includes past champions and qualifying amateurs. They aim for a "past, present, & future" of golf field. You hardly ever get a Ben Crane champion from the Masters, because he just doesn't get in the field. The US Open is for any scratch golfer who can qualify, so you get the Nationwide Tour player like Jason Gore who becomes the Tin Cup story of the weekend. The British Open gets the most international field of the majors, and the TV leaderboard is festooned with flags of different nations. The PGA is for pros only, and you get the club pro qualifiers as interesting stories.

Why would the LPGA tour benefit from making their fields all the same? The men's PGA tour clearly benefits from having their majors have different fields and different story lines. That and course selection & setup give each major tournament a distinct flavor.
12/21/05 @ 10:53
Comment from: Norman [Visitor]
Mason, you are right about a different flavour in each major being good.
I should have confined my statement to "exemptions to pros should be able to be given in all women's majors".
The reason why this is required is obvious. Michelle Wie would certainly be a contender for the title.

In the case of the men, it is very different, there really isn't any teenage guy who is good enough anyway. To be honest, I would rather have all people qualify for all mens majors, yes even Michelle Wie.

The case for the women is very different, largely due to the much lower standard of the womens game. There will be people who should get there with or without being members of the lpga.
If Pressel hadn't got her lpga membership, she should have been given an exemption too, because she would be another possible contender.

Simple Question: Why allow exemptions to amatuers but not pros?

PS: How did you put the quote in a box like that.
12/21/05 @ 11:51
Comment from: RRR [Visitor]
The past was filled with exclusive exclusions in golf. It was not so long ago that the only way an African American male could walk the fairways of Augusta was if he was toting a bag for a white man or cutting the grass.

This continues on in the Good Ole Boy South with the exclusion of women from the field at Augusta. If any woman in the world of golf deserves an invite to the Masters it is Annika and the fact that an invitation was not sent to the top woman golfer in the world is shameful.

Miss Wie does not deserve to be at the Kraft because she is Michelle Wie, she earned her right to compete by finishing 13th on the LPGA money list in the few events she played. It does not matter that she didn't cash the paychecks, what does matter is she had the game to finish high in the order.

If the LPGA fails to recognize this fact and allow her to play they become as guilty as the Old White Men of Augusta that believe in exclusion and hence discrimination.

12/21/05 @ 13:57
Comment from: Norman [Visitor]
RRR raises interesting points. Does anyone else agree that Annika should get an invite to the Masters?
I'm not so sure.

I think maybe top women players should get a couple of exemptions to pga tournaments, but probably not to majors.
12/21/05 @ 15:44
Comment from: RRR [Visitor]
The Masters should invite the top five Female professional golfers in the World Money Standings and the leading Female Amature. By adding ladies tees (Based on the average driving distances on the PGA and LPGA tours.)the playing field would then be a level test of skill.

I believe Bobby Jones would like this idea in this day and age.

Of course this will never happen and the only way women will walk the fairways of Augusta will be by toting a bag or cutting the grass.

They are also welcome by their men to sit in the gallery and sip a Mint Julip while they fan themselves to avoid getting the vapors.











12/22/05 @ 02:55
Comment from: Shanks [Member] Email
The only thing interesting about RRRs thoughts is to ponder how in the world he came up with these ridiculous ideas. Annika Sorenstam not being invited to play in the Masters has nothing at all in common with the exclusion of black players years ago. They were excluded solely because of their race. That is a sad, but true fact. Annika is not playing because she has not qualified through her play. Sorry to break your heart, but the greatest female golfer of all time is not good enough. It is arguable whether she could ever just make a cut in a regular PGA Tour event, much less an event that includes all the world's greatest golfers.

Now, apparently on second thought RRR realizes that the top female players need to play from shorter tees to be competitive. Major Championships like the Masters are golf at the very highest level. You don't handicap ANY sport when it's played at the highest level. What's next, co-ed 100 meter races where the women get a 10 meter head-start?
12/22/05 @ 08:36
Comment from: RRR [Visitor]
Sorry your Eminence I didn't come up with these ridiculous ideas on my own. They were formed by the same group of white men (plus one white woman) who decided it was time to set forth the events that finally allowed African Americans to strive towards equality. Without the following taking place Mr. Shanks African Americans would still be toting the bags and cutting the grass at Augusta. The Civil Rights Act of 1964 broke the color barriers and had another interesting section that was enacted at the same time:

Sex-Based Discrimination

Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 protects individuals against employment discrimination on the basis of sex as well as race, color, national origin, and religion. Title VII applies to employers with 15 or more employees, including state and local governments. It also applies to employment agencies and to labor organizations, as well as to the federal government.

It is unlawful to discriminate against any employee or applicant for employment because of his/her sex in regard to hiring, termination, promotion, compensation, job training, or any other term, condition, or privilege of employment. Title VII also prohibits employment decisions based on stereotypes and assumptions about abilities, traits, or the performance of individuals on the basis of sex. Title VII prohibits both intentional discrimination and neutral job policies that disproportionately exclude individuals on the basis of sex and that are not job related.

The United Kingdom also passed a Sex Discrimination Act in 1975 that was a leading cause in the British Open admission rules being changed this year.

So Mr. Shanks by virtue of your own statements above, you have exercised your freedom to speak and perhaps unintentionally displayed your own bias, all while discriminating against women in the same way African Americans were in the past.

As a white male who has taken oaths to Support and Defend the Constitution of these United States and any subsequent laws for the last thirty plus years. I can safely say Sir that I never selectively applied the law or considered ridiculous a provision of same laws.

Ms. Soranstam might have finished last in the field at the Masters or chosen not to play at all. The right thing to do would be to extend the invitation and let her decide. That is promoting Equal Opportunity by giving the ten meter head start.












12/22/05 @ 13:57
Comment from: Shanks [Member] Email
Truly, it is a noble undertaking to guard the rights of all persons to be treated equally. And you are to be commended for that.

But in this instance, your judgement is misguided. You totally missed my point that Annika Sorenstam has not qualified BY MERIT to play in the Masters. (I further opined that she would not do well, but that has nothing to do with playing or not.) Sorenstam played in one event with men and did not do very well. Despite a plethora of offers to do it again, she has declined to play in these events where she could actually EARN the right to play in the Masters. She has never tried to qualify for the PGA Tour or petitioned for membership either. And you think she should be handed a gift invitation to possibly the most prestigious tournament in the world over those persons who have struggled mightily to qualify but did not quite make it? Doesn't work that way.

Surely you can't think that based on her peformance against inferior competition (LPGA) she has in any way earned the right to play in the Masters. That would be like putting the minor league batting champion on the major league all-star team.

The opportunity to qualify for the Masters is available to Ms. Sorenstam but she chooses not to pursue it. That is freedom. What could possibly be better than that?
12/22/05 @ 14:49
Comment from: Norman [Visitor]
Women should be able to qualify, as indeed they are.

I would be in favour of giving them a little help. For example the R&A have given the top 5 for the 4 womens majors an exemption into qualifying tournaments for the British Open. I think it is just Sectional qualifying.

Anyway, I would be in favour of giving some women this little boost so they would have a stage less. But giving an invite to a major like the US Masters is just ridiculous.
Letting them play from shorter tees is even more ridiculous.
12/22/05 @ 15:01
Comment from: RRR [Visitor]
Well Mr. Shanks what venue is available for a Professional Woman Golfer to qualify for the Masters?

Should the top five Female Professional Golfers be allowed to go head to head with the two Male Amateur Golfers that receive an invite each year to the Masters? Winners take all and the places in the field?

That would be a fair test of skill wouldn't you say Mr. Shanks and ensure only the top golfers were allowed to compete? The ratings might be higher than the Masters itself for this playoff event.

By the way Norman I am offended that you would place US in front of the Masters Tournament.

There is no association between the Masters and their long practice of discrimination with the United States Government.

I've heard your arguments before Mr. Shanks and I thought we had moved beyond that point in our countries history. Except maybe in the town of Augusta, Georgia and in your own mind.

Someday a woman will walk down the fairways of Augusta National competing in the Masters and then you can eat you female version of the Jim Crow Laws.





12/22/05 @ 19:03
Comment from: Jim COULTHARD [Visitor]
RRR doesn't seem to notice that the greatest golfer in the world is an African American male--who does play in the Masters. But Tiger Woods is not allowed to compete in the Kraft Nabisco Tournament. Shouldn't Tiger be given an invitation to the Kraft Nabisco Tournament. Does the Civil Rights Act say it is OK to discriminate against an African American male because he is male--but not OK to discriminate against an African American male because he is African Amjerican.
12/22/05 @ 19:49
Comment from: Jim COULTHARD [Visitor]
Oh yes. Caddies. On that subject. The only time you will see a male on the LPGA is as a caddy. Sound familar?
12/22/05 @ 19:55
Comment from: RRR [Visitor]
Absolutely he should be given the opportunity to qualify and play in the Kraft or any other golf tournament on the planet and should recieve an invitation based on his record of performance.

Of course Mr. Woods you will be expected to drive from the Men's PGA Championship tees.





12/22/05 @ 20:22
Comment from: Norman [Visitor]
RRR,
What you seem to be misunderstanding is that womens can qualify for the Masters. They can qualify the exact same way as the men.
* through amatuer publinx.
* through ranking or many other exemption categories.

If you were to let women play from ladies tees, that would be discrimination. As it is, Wie can outdrive some of the men. Suppose in a few years, she were able to outdrive several of the men, and then had the advantage of teeing off from ladies tees. If she won this way, there would be uproar, and rightly so.
12/23/05 @ 08:43
Comment from: RRR [Visitor]
Yes Norman there are a few ways for Women Professional golfers to qualify for the Masters:

Qualifications:

1. Masters Tournament Champions(lifetime)
[b]2. US Open Champions (Honorary, non-competing after 5 years)
3. British Open Champions (Honorary, non-competing after 5 years)[b]
4. PGA Champions (Honorary, non-competing after 5 years)
5. Winners of The Players Championship (3 years)
6. Current US Amateur Champion (6-A) (Honorary, non-competing after 1 year) and the runner-up (6-B) to the current US Amateur Champion
7. Current British Amateur Champion (Honorary, non-competing after 1 year)
8. Current US Amateur Public Links Champion
9. Current US Mid-Amateur Champion
10. The first 16 players, including ties, in the 2004 Masters Tournament
[b]11. The first 8 players, including ties, in the 2004 US Open Championship
12. The first 4 players, including ties, in the 2004 British Open Championship[b]
13. The first 4 players, including ties, in the 2004 PGA Championship
14. The 40 leaders on the Final Official PGA Tour Money List for 2004
15. The 10 leaders on the current year Official PGA Tour Money List published during the week prior to the 2005 Masters Tournament
16. The 50 leaders on the Final Official World Golf Ranking for 2004
17. The 50 leaders on the Official World Golf Ranking published during the week prior to the 2005 Masters.




12/23/05 @ 14:22
Comment from: Norman [Visitor]
Yes RRR, all those ways that you have listed are open to women.
What is your point?
12/23/05 @ 16:11
Comment from: RRR [Visitor]
There are actually four spots handed over to Amature Male Golfers to the Masters. So where is Mr. Shanks argument that only the best are allowed to play?

If Mr. Shanks is true to his word and only the "Best" golfers in the world are invited to the Masters, a playoff should take place between the top four Women Golfers in the World Standings against these four Male Amature Golfers. May the best golfer win and take their rightful place in the field.

If the top four Male Amatures can't hold onto the spots after playing the Women, they really are not the best golfers in the world and should stay home.

The best alternative is to offer invitations to the top four Women Golfers in the World.

Either of these actions would meet the Spirit and Intent of Title VII of the US Code and in-turn allow Augusta National to join the 21st Century.

12/23/05 @ 20:31
Comment from: Paul W [Visitor]
Those amatuer spots are open to women. Wie came close to getting one of them this year.
12/23/05 @ 22:41
Comment from: RRR [Visitor]
For Paul I was speaking of the four top "Professional Female Golfers" who are ineligible for the venues.

Miss Wie is no longer eligible for those events and would not be eligible to compete for the four spots as I described it above. She did not finish in the top four.









12/24/05 @ 00:54
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
I will attempt to explain some things to correspondent RRR. I am an attorney with more than two decades of experience in law concerning discrimination and right to privacy. I have litigated several cases involving alleged discrimination against private and pseudo-private organizations. In NO case where the organization in question has proved to be private in fact has either a judge or a jury found for a plaintiff. The Augusta National Country Club is a private club, as are thousands of others all over this nation. The Masters' Tournament is the sole property of the Augusta National C.C. Participation in this tournament is by invitation only. The club is not bound by any obligations, legal or otherwise, to conduct this event, except as concerns its contract with the PGA. Periodically the Tournament Committee will make minor adjustments to the criteria necessary for receiving an invitation. As an example, no longer does winning a PGA event in the previous year guarantee an invitation. Since the committee desires to have a smaller field of either 93 or 96 players, in almost every year several very deserving golfers are not invited. This year Tim Petrovic, an accomplished professional who won a PGA tour event in 2005, has not received an invitation. Similarly, Jason Gore who won three times in 2005 on the Nationwide Tour and thus received a rare "battlefield" promotion to the PGA Tour where he subsequently won a PGA Tour event, has not been invited. The Masters' has indeed developed an aura of tradition and to some it may seem to be part of the public domain. However, it is not. The Tournament Committee has no desire to expand the field by including women who have not qualified by the specified means. Any reasonable person can surely see the injustice in replacing a qualified male golfer with an unqualified female, no matter how altruistic or egalitarian the motivation. By the way, the caddies and landscapers at Augusta National are still about 95% African-American, and I can assure they wouldn't have it any other way. One would have difficulty BUYING one of those jobs.
12/24/05 @ 11:59
Comment from: Norman [Visitor]
The whole idea of allowing the 4 amatuers is to allow these 4 people who would not otherwise be able to qualify.
I guess in a sense, if you were to invite the top 4 women, it would be a bit like inviting the amatuers, in the sense that neither is likely to qualify any other route.

However with the standard of golf on the lpga, I think they would seriously struggle at the Masters. If the standard of the lpga increases, perhaps it could be considered, but as a fan of women's golf, I would rather not have the top women golfers embarrassed on such a big stage.
12/24/05 @ 12:05
Comment from: RRR [Visitor]
Granted they are a Private Club Alex and fall outside the conditions imposed by Title VII.

So Alex let me get this straight the four Amateur golfers are qualified for the Masters by virtue of the rules committee extending invites to said golfers.

My point is they may not be the best golfers invited to the event if they were matched head to head with the top female golfers.

Augusta National finally admitted a minority Club member in 1990 some 25 years after Title VII was enacted and has yet to open membership to women. To their credit they did allow the first African American, Lee Elder to play in 1975 who subsequently bravely played under a cloud of death threats.

So ya all can safely say Augusta National CC still institutionally discriminates against women folk.

Alex as a member of the legal community I would hope you can see what is right and what is wrong. There is no gray area here Alex; prejudice still reins supreme in Augusta National.

I would encourage every woman in the world to boycott the televising of the Masters, the sponsors of the event and also not attend the event with their man folk. What every tournament board understands is money, Ya all here that now!

12/24/05 @ 14:42
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
The primary interest at Augusta National is not the almighty dollar, as you have implied.The committee limits the daily attendance to, I believe, 25,000. Also, the committee is not particularly concerned with whether the invited amateurs are necessarily superior to the four best female pros in the world. I personally think that they (the amateurs) would bury the women, on that course in particular, but that point is moot. With all due respect, I think that you have trouble understanding the concepts of "privacy", "by invitation", and "tradition". Here is a serious word of advice: Be careful when you encourage any boycotts without due deliberation. It might be construed as "criminal syndicalism", or even "combination in restraint of trade". Really. What's with the repeated use of "ya all"? The proper way down in Georgia is "ya'll".
12/24/05 @ 15:18
Comment from: RRR [Visitor]
Sorry Alex I only lived in Georgia for four years so my accent wasn't perfected.

How many years did you spend way down in Georgia? I happened to buy a house in Kennesaw, Georgia one of the most bigoted areas around Atlanta. The very first morning after moving into the home I found a bunch of flyers thrown on my front lawn advertising for various goods and services. One of the flyers caught my attention, as it was a KKK newspaper with an application attached.

I didn't submit the application for several reasons one of which I didn't think my Korean wife would approve or my Amerasian children. In fact I'm sure this was a disqualifying factor preventing the issuance of a white robe and hood. I know Georgia like you never will Alex.

In the eighties I was assigned as an active duty Air Force Advisor to two AF Reserve units, I was surprised to find that one unit had over eighty percent whites assigned and the other unit was manned above eighty percent with African Americans. All the officers in both units were white males. Yes Alex segregation was alive and well in the Georgia Air Force Reserve. No women were assigned to the White unit and only a handful in the other.

The best missions and off-station assignments of course went to the white unit. After all this was Georgia.

Within three months of observing both units I was in the General's office telling him he had a problem that needed to be fixed.

When I had finished my tour of duty Alex, both units were fully integrated along with African American and Female officers assigned. I don't roll over easily Alex. Standing toe to toe with a Georgia General and telling him he is screwing up makes the charges you floated seem quite insignificant. I’m sure some ACLU member would like to take on Augusta National bringing charges against me.

BTW Alex I would wager many of the “members” did qualify for the issuance of the garments I described above and may still have them hanging in the closet.











12/24/05 @ 19:07
Comment from: Norman [Visitor]
Whatever grievances that RRR has with Georgia are completely separate to the Masters Tournament.
A woman is just as likely to qualify for any of the other majors as she is for the Masters.
For all four majors the qualification process is extremely difficult, and no woman is likely to qualify soon.

RRR, you should take up your issue with Jean Van de Velde. He wants women EXCLUDED, BANNED outright from European tour events. He wants, that even if a woman happened to be able to qualify, that she should not be allowed to do so. Now he is discriminatory, no two ways about it.
12/24/05 @ 21:31
Comment from: RRR [Visitor]
Thanks for making my point for me Norman.

Augusta National has in effect banned women. That is discrimination no matter how you color it.


12/24/05 @ 22:36
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
I am truly sorry that you find it necessary to vent your spleen at the members of a club of which you could not possibly have any knowledge. It would seem that persons like you of what is mislabeled as a "liberal" persuasion cannot separate their political views from the sports arena. As I recall, this thread was originally about GOLF. Maybe it would be a good idea to return it to its original subject. In any event, since tomorrow most of us celebrate the birth of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, Merry Christmas to all and a Happy and prosperous New Year.
12/25/05 @ 00:10
Comment from: Paul W [Visitor]
Alex, maybe if you want to stick to the subject of golf, you should avoid including politics and religion in your posts.
12/25/05 @ 00:41
Comment from: RRR [Visitor]
Alex to tell you the truth I consider myself an Independent who leans right of center. I believe that position allows me to "see the forest for the trees" and make up my own mind on what is right from wrong.

It may also surprise you that this liberal also served during several wars or conflicts beginning with Vietnam War on into Somalia. I now serve as a DoD civilian during our current conflict.

At one time women were prohibited from serving in combat areas and were mostly placed in support roles. The evolution of the military opened up many combat fields to women that were restricted earlier. When you look up at the sky Alex there is a pretty good chance a woman is flying that combat aircraft overhead.

It is also a fact Alex that women are fighting and dying right along side their male counterparts in our current war. They are not numbers on the nightly news; they are daughters, wives or mothers sacrificing all for their country.

Having served with many fine women Officers and NCOs during my career is what drives my desire to break down the walls of discrimination towards them at any level.

Finally Alex if women are good enough to fight so you and the old men of Augusta can enjoy your freedoms or way of life, are they not good enough to be able to join any damned Golf Club they want in America as long as they have the cash?

BTW Alex what does your wife or partner think of women being banned from applying or joining a private golf club? Like a second-class citizen maybe?

Have a Very Merry and Safe Christmas Alex courtesy of all the military women watching your back for you.


12/25/05 @ 05:56
Comment from: Norman [Visitor]
Women should be allowed to join Augusta National, like men.
There are other golf clubs in other countries that don't allow women to join also, so Augusta is not alone.

However women shouldn't be given a free pass to play in the Masters.
12/25/05 @ 10:24
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
A sizable number of the members of August National C.C. are not residents of Augusta, Atlanta, the rest of the State of Georgia, or even the Southern US. None are now or ever have been Ku Klux Klan members. As with many other private clubs, one does not "apply for membership" to Augusta National. It is not one the so-called "mega clubs" with 72 or even 90 golf holes where a large and growing membership is desirable or even necessary to maintain viabilty. Membership is severely limited by the logistics of the club. It has been rumored that a sure way to never be invited to join Augusta National is to inquire about being a member. Memberships are bequeathed from father to son with the criterion of primogeniture causing many a rift in families. Perhaps this is one of those "exclusive exclusions" (probably the only kind to have) that you mentioned in one of your previous posts. In my world men have partners in business or on the golf course, and wives in their private lives. Not that these facts are pertinent, but I also served in the military (USMC) and also have two DAUGHTERS who served honorably, one in the Army, the other in the Marines. For your information, women do not serve in the combat arms of the Army or the Marines. These would include Infantry, Artillery, Armor, Air Cavalry, Army Rangers, and Marine Recon. Whatever happened to GOLF?
12/25/05 @ 10:42
Comment from: RRR [Visitor]
When a Mortor round comes in or an IED goes off next to your convoy it does not discriminate based on sex. I did say many former combat fields, this did not mean all.

The times I sent women to Iraq, Afghanasta or any other area of hostilities they took guns to the fight (not brooms) and drew a full combat load on arrival.

I salute you and yours for serving, but I do take exception when you diminish the role women are playing. Go to the site below Alex and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Tell the families of these women they were not in combat.

[url]http://userpages.aug.com/captbarb[/url]

This has everything to do being allowed to join a club or play golf.

Sempre Fi

12/25/05 @ 13:25
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Here are just a few of the members of Augusta National C.C.: Warren Buffett, COB of Berkshire-Hathaway, Melvin Laird, former Secretary of Defense, Jack Welsh, CEO of GE, former US President Eisenhower, and Jack Nicklaus, Arnold Palmer, and Raymond Floyd of the PGA Hall of Fame. Is it your contention that these high-profile individuals and statesmen and these golfing immortals would knowingly be associated with a club whose members included racists who belonged to the Ku Klux Klan? Such a contention is laughable. There is no diminution of the contribution women make in the Armed Forces. As every Marine knows, his or her primary MOS is rifleman. It is a fact that, as I previously stated, women absolutely DO NOT serve in the Infantry, Artillery, Armor, Air Cavalry, Rangers or Recon.
12/25/05 @ 14:11
Comment from: Paul W [Visitor]
Alex, I'm sure Warren Buffet, Jack Welsh, etc. make good use of their Augusta memberships to impress clients and close business deals. That's an option unfairly not available to a woman competitor.
12/25/05 @ 17:35
Comment from: RRR [Visitor]
Your right Paul that sounds an awful lot like "criminal syndicalism", or even "combination in restraint of trade".

I don't know Paul maybe we could find a good attorney to tell us if they broke the law.

BTW Alex most of the folks you listed above are "Honorary Members" and did not invest a dime or have a vote.

Of course in your mind there are no racists in Georgia, the South as a whole or the boardrooms across America. Just when was discrimination wiped out across the land?

I must have missed it serving overseas somewhere.






12/25/05 @ 18:43
Comment from: Paul W [Visitor]
Alex, nobody is beyond trying to impress clients and business associates. I don't think I've heard the terms "captains of industry" and "robber barons" ever used except in old books. Did you just wake up from a hundred year coma?
12/25/05 @ 21:43
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Paul W, By your remarks, you are exascerbating your level of ignorance. Buffett as COB of B-H is responsible for the investment portfolios of thousands of extremely wealthy people. His credentials are such that he does not seek approval of any of the gurus or pundits. Jack Welch retired as CEO of GE after 21 years in that position. His severance pay and retirement package is ion the tens of millions annually, so he has no need or desire to impress anyone. I've never been comatose but if I hear any more non sequiturs on this thread, I might enjoy a long, deep sleep.
12/25/05 @ 22:19
Comment from: Paul W [Visitor]
Alex, are you seroiusly saying that the members of a club like Augusta don't take clients and business partners there, and make business contacts with other members?

Incidently, are you capable of having a conversation without stooping to name calling? I'm hardly ignorant about how business works.
12/25/05 @ 22:48
Comment from: RRR [Visitor]
Excuse me Alex. If you can haul your large head out of Warren Buffett's butt, why don't you read what you have been writing and analyze yourself Dude.

So according to you Alex, racism, sexism and all other forms of discrimination were eliminated from the South and Corporate Boardrooms across the USA. Dang I've stayed overseas way to long I missed the whole darn thing.

The homeland must be quite a Nirvana now with all the peace and love flowing around the country.

Paul I appreciate your defense of my first amendment rights and your participation in this blog. I believe that Alex has gone over the edge and we must stop responding to him so we won't be responsible for him falling into a deeper coma.

Well all I am nearing my goal of 150 rounds of golf for 2005; so it is time to polish up the Taylormades and get some rest. I need to play 36 holes a day until New Years Eve to make it.

Living on a tropical island does have some benefits.

12/26/05 @ 06:45
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Paul W, I am sorry that you feel offended by my correspondence. However, I specifically stated that no offense was meant or implied. I never called you a name. If you are referring to what I consider your ignorance, you are mistaken if you think I am calling you a name. Even the most intelligent persons are ignorant of many subjects. I have a B.A., M.A., and a J.D., but I don't know a thing about, say, early Etruscan hieroglyphics. If perchance I ever run into someone who does know about such a subject, and he or she wants to talk about it, I will listen. That's how one learns. I joined this discussion because I saw that many of the posters were off base as to the legal and ethical ramifications of private clubs and especially the Masters'. I thought I might offer a little basic expertise. If you, RRR, and any others prefer to ignore or ridicule my advise, by all means, feel free to do so. I am a member of a private country club. I was "invited" to join ten years ago. Of 335 members, the club has six black members, several Asians, four foreign-born Hispanics, and nineteen women. One of the black members has been my playing partner in all my rounds this year but three. I have only played twenty-one times. Twice in the past year I have had a client to dinner at the club. Once the case was discussed, but only briefly; the other time the client preferred to have the case discussed in the privacy of my office. I don't frequent these internet message boards much, which is probably obvious, but I must say that I've never seen one get so far off topic as this one. I assume that this site has no moderators. Or that they just let them (the threads) die a natural death. !50 rounds of golf in a year? RRR, you have WAY too much time on your hands. I thank you fellows in advance for not responding and wish you a Happy New Year and continued success and sobriety.
12/26/05 @ 10:20
Comment from: Paul W [Visitor]
Alex,
I'm not sure what you are calling me ignorant about, since you admit that you, yourself, have used your club membership to entertain clients. But, since you admit you were wrong, I'm willing to forgive and drop the subject.
12/26/05 @ 15:00
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Paul W, It seems that you've seen too many movies where the fate of the world is determined and corporate mergers are formulated at the infamous "three martini power lunches". At my club, the members are assessed a certain sum monthly whether or not said members ever visit the premises. This is to encourage the members to frequent the facilities and spend their entertainment dollars to support the club. My wife and I go to our club for dinner and cocktails about twice a month. The food, drinks, and service are excellent, and the prices are considerably less than they would be at a comparable public restaurant. Being a naturally frugal person, I take advantage of this. On two occasions this year I invited clients to dinner. These clients were also long-time personal friends. Be assured that all that high rolling wheeling and dealing by cigar-smoking, tuxedo-clad moguls that Hollywood portrays is about 95% myth. Even members of private country clubs enjoy relaxation and good times. As for what you might possibly be ignorant of, I'd begin with civil and criminal law amd jurisprudence, the rules of civil debate, and I'd end wth vulcanology amd Bulgarian poetry:-)
12/26/05 @ 15:46
Comment from: Shanks [Member] Email
RRR suggests a playoff of the 4 best female pro golfers against the 4 male amateurs who are invited to play in the Masters. Any female AMATEUR who wants to try to earn her way in to the Masters can enter the same tournament where these 4 males earned their invitation and, if they can win, they will get the invitation. As far as the 4 female pros, they can earn their invitation by items 11 thru 17, which RRR himself provided. However, as this is golf at its highest level - which by definition does not include any use of handicaps - there will be no separate tees. Besides, that would amount to discrimination against the men, just because they are stronger.
12/26/05 @ 20:49
Comment from: Paul W [Visitor]
Separate tees would be a joke. Sports is no place for that kind of affirmative action. Women should play from the same tees -- a huge challenge at a course over 7400 yards.

Instead they should let the women take steroids to compensate for the hormonal inequity (just kidding :-) )
12/26/05 @ 22:59
Comment from: RRR [Visitor]
I agree with you Mr. Shanks on one point, only the best golfers should step up to the tee at a limited invitation event. My contention is the four male amateurs that receive invites are possibly inferior golfers to the four top women golfers in the world. One would never know unless they went head to head and yes Mr. Shanks from the same tees.

The men win and they pass muster to stand on the first tee at the Masters. They lose and their tee time goes to the woman that defeated them.

The USGA, PGA and LPGA could jointly sponsor the event. The television audience and galleries for the event would be huge.

The fact of the matter is Mr. Shanks when you look at fairways hit, GIR, number of sub par rounds and average putts the women are very competitive with the men. The only real advantage a man has is distance off the tee.

BTW Augusta National was just recently lenghtened again. If you go back a few years Augusta was nearly the average length of an LPGA event course today.

The secret at Augusta is hitting a narrow fairway and staying out of the trees.







12/27/05 @ 00:28
Comment from: Shanks [Member] Email
I'm surprised that RRR is willing to include professional golfers in the Masters at the expense of a few amateurs. He was the one who invoked the spirit of Bobby Jones several responses ago. It was always Jones intention to include a few of the best amateurs in the field. Many readers may not know this but on several occasions an amateur nearly won the Masters. In 2005 amateur Ryan Moore finished 13th.

Regardless, the 4 male amateurs in question earned their invitation by beating all comers at their respective events which, by the way, were open to females too. (Michelle Wie played in one such event trying to do just that.) They should not have to undergo further qualifications against ANY professional golfers, male or female.

If any of the female pros want to play in the Masters, they'll have to earn the invitation by playing against male pros. And, yes, that door is open too.
12/27/05 @ 07:49
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
I notice that correspondent RRR has again altered his criteria for women playing in the Masters'. First, his demand was that the top five female pros and the top female amateur be extended invitations. Period. Then he changed it to the top five women pros against the two top male amateurs with "winner take all", women playing from the ladies' tees. The latest demand is that the FOUR top women pros go against the four top amateurs, everyone playing from the men's tees. And that this 4 on 4 competition be sanctioned by the LPGA, PGA, and USGA with huge galleries and television following. Really! I somehow doubt that such an abbreviated, trumped-up, hybrid event would be that attractive to true golfing fans. RRR seems oblivious to the fact that the only body responsible for setting the standards for participation in the Masters' is the Tournament Committee of the Augusta National C.C. RRR, what is your "criterion du jour"?
12/27/05 @ 09:12
Comment from: Norman [Visitor]
Alex, I disagree about RRR's idea not being a tv ratings winner.
I think it definetely would be a ratings winner.

But I still don't think it should happen, because it wouldn't be fair on the amatuers who worked so hard to gain their places.
12/27/05 @ 12:14
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Norman, There are five, not four male amateurs tentatively qualified to receive invitations to the Masters': Edoardo Molinari, Dillon Doughtery, Brian McIlhenny, Kevin Marsh, and Clay Ogden. This may change by March 28, 2006 when the final Masters' field is set. The five top women on the final LPGA money list are Annika Sorenstam, Paula Creamer, Christie Kerr, Lorena Ochoa, and Jeong Jang. Can you honestly say that any televised competition among those players would be a ratings blockbuster? And for RRR's edification, where and when would such a playoff occur? Would the competition be match play or medal play? How many rounds? In the unlikely event that such a format ever would be put in place, what would be the motivation for the amateurs to keep competing since they cannot receive any monetary compensation from the additional play. The Kraft-Nabisco LPGA event runs the week immediately preceding the Masters', so what would be the motivation for the women to possibly forgo a lucrative chance on their own tour to try for a spot in the Masters' where they have virtually no chance to make the cut? Augusta National is reserved for the three days prior to the start of the Masters' for practice rounds, so it is not available for any such competition. Finally, since argument for such a battle of the sexes playoff seems to center on fairness and "bringing the Masters' into the 21st century", I have one more question to ask of my friend, RRR. If a young woman entered one of the amateur events (such as Michelle Wie did this year) and won, would she too have to run the gauntlet of woman pros?
12/27/05 @ 13:19
Comment from: RRR [Visitor]
I was curious to see how the two top golfers of their respective tours in the world fared statistically for 2005.

Number of PGA or LPGA Events Entered: Mr. Woods 21, Ms Sorenstam 20.

Average Diving Distance: Mr. Woods 316.1 yards, Ms. Sorenstam 263 yards.

Driving Accuracy: Ms. Sorenstam 80 percent, Mr. Woods 55 percent.

GIR: Ms. Sorenstam 77 percent, Mr. Woods 70 percent.

Sand Saves: Ms. Sorenstam 60 percent, Mr. Woods 54 percent.

Putts Per Round: Mr. Woods averaged 28.70, Ms. Sorenstam 29.96.

Putting Average Per GIR: Mr. Woods 1.69, Ms. Sorenstam 1.75.

Scoring Average: Mr. Woods 68.86 percent, Ms. Sorenstam 69.33 percent.

Wins on Tour: Ms. Sorenstam won 10 times, Mr. Woods won 6 times.

Money Earned 2005: Mr. Woods $10,628,024, Ms. Sorenstam $2,588.240.

I would have to agree with you Mr. Shanks; the men would be severely handicapped if they allowed the women the advantage of a ladies tee.

12/27/05 @ 13:54
Comment from: Paul W [Visitor]
RRR,
It's a little deceptive comparing records between PGA and LPGA events. There are more differences in the courses than just the hole length. PGA courses tend to have deeper rough, faster greens and pin placements which require more backspin. Women's tees just help with the drive.
12/27/05 @ 14:19
Comment from: Shanks [Member] Email
It's more than a little deceptive. Since RRR used Tiger as an example - let's imagine how he'd do on an LPGA course. He would be hitting mid or short irons into the par 5s on his second shot, he would be attempting to drive half of the par 4's and never hit more than wedge into any par 4. He would hit short irons & (mostly) wedges into the par 3s. Oh, then he would get to putt even more aggressively on the slower greens. I say he'd shoot in the 50s at least once a month.
12/27/05 @ 14:44
Comment from: BV [Visitor]
The 'amateur' spots are open to ANYONE, regardless of gender. Most of the 'pro' spots are also "gender-neutral" depending on participation and accomplishment (excepting those already filled by males). Where is the discrimination in the GAME?

Certainly the Augusta National CC and their members exclude individuals from membership in the CLUB, but this exclusion has NO bearing on the MASTERS TOURNAMENT that I can see. Where is the issue?
12/27/05 @ 16:22
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
BV, Sadly, the discrimination exists only in the minds of those badly disillusioned. We can only hope that it will dissipate.
12/27/05 @ 18:05
Comment from: Paul W [Visitor]
Shanks, unless Tiger improves his driving accuracy, he probably wouldn't attempt to drive that many of the par 4's. Some of the LPGA courses trees close to the greens. Other than that I agree with you.
12/27/05 @ 18:19
Comment from: RRR [Visitor]
You are so "Right" Mr. Shanks! The wind blows harder, it rains more and there are more hazards in play on a PGA course.

The longer rough is only a factor Paul if you miss the fairway 45 percent of the time you tee up the ball. That kind of mitigates the backspin factor you alluded to when you play out of deep rough.

When you spoke of fast greens there are none faster than in Asia. You adjust for this by striking the ball with a shorter stroke and playing more break.

I'm sure the women can adjust as well since they play several events in Asia each year. Unless of course you think their breasts get in the way.

I see the Civil Rights Attorney made another disparaging comment directed at me. I will overlook this since I’m feeling quite good after shooting three over par in my first round today and taking all the Skins to boot. The weather on the island is beautiful with scattered clouds, light winds and temps in the 80s. Perfect Golf weather. I’m going for scratch in my afternoon round Mr. Attorney. Eat your heart out sucker.
12/27/05 @ 19:41
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
RRR, No comment was directed at you. But if the shoe fits, wear it. I find your posts about your adventurous career(s) a little hard to believe. Let's see, you were an advisor to several Air National Guard units in Georgia where you confronted a racist General, gave him a good dressing down, and then single-handedly integrated two previously segregated units. This was allegedly in the '80's. Of course, prior to that remarkable stint, you were involved in all the wars and conflicts in which this country has participated from Vietnam to the present, including Somalia which occurred in the '90's AFTER your heroics in the hostile, racist atmosphere of Kenesaw, Georgia. Now magically, you are a Department of Defense civilian, who somehow has acquired a Korean wife and biracial children. You never mentioned serving in Korea. But what I find truly amazing is that your duties as a DoD civilian include the monumental responsibility of sending members of our Armed Forces into dangerous situations in Afganistan and presumably Iraq where the perils of mortar rounds and improvised explosive devices are ever-present, and that many of those that you have the unpleasant duty to send into battle are women with full combat loads. This is the first I've ever heard of a DoD civilian having been delegated those responsibilities. But what is really incredible is the fact that you discharge your duties from a remote, unnamed tropical island, and find time to play 150 rounds of golf a year, shooting close to par, and winning ALL the skins. Also, you find time to do some prolific posting on internet message boards. Here's a little advice: Your grammar, spelling and punctuation need a little improvement. So it would seem that all that's left for you to accomplish is to be able to leap tall buildings in a single bound. Since the name of your island paradise is more than likely classified, maybe I'd better not divulge it's identity. Oh, what the heck! it's FANTASY ISLAND!
12/28/05 @ 09:26
Comment from: Jim COULTHARD [Visitor]
Did anyone notice RRR's bizarre claim that the longer PGA rough is a factor only if you miss the fairway off the tee 45 percent of the time?
It seems to me longer rough would be a factor if a player ever winds up in it--or if a player changes his/her game because of it. But probably more important is the shorter cut grass on the PGA greens which make it harder for a player to stop a ball near the hole. Remember Annika struggled with her putting at the Colonial.
12/28/05 @ 16:27
Comment from: Norman [Visitor]
Annika's biggest problem with the pga, is her mental state.
If you could hypnotise Annika and tell send her on a pga course having convinced her that she was playing on a normal lpga course with lpga members, I think she would play much better golf.
However I don't think she would do VERY well, just better. I just think that she lacks the belief, and without that she has little hope.

She also lacks distance off the tee and strength from the rough and extra spin in approach shots. I think the putting would come in time if she were subjected to pga greens full time.
With the great accuracy in her game, and her other attributes, she could be a top 80 player in the mens game, despite the forementioned shortcomings, in my opinion. However I don't think that would be enough for her. She wants to be number 1 woman, and didn't grow up with any other ambitions.
12/28/05 @ 17:40
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Yes, Jim, I noticed RRR's bizarre reference to the PGA rough, and I welcomed your explanation. But then, anyone who plays 150 rounds of golf in a year would already be aware of your premise. I've been an attormey for 22 tears and had been in law enforcement for the seven years prior, so I do have a good amount of perspicacity. As far as I'm concerned, RRR blew his cover when he referred to women drinking Mint Julips(sic) at the Masters'. RRR, in case you're there, Mint Juleps are drunk at the Kentucky Derby.
12/28/05 @ 18:25
Comment from: jon [Visitor]
I think what RRR meant concerning driving accuracy is that the driving distance would be less of an advantage if you miss the fairway 45 % of the time, since the subsequent iron shot would be far less accurate and with less of the desirable spins.

I would agree with RRR up to a point. I think Tiger Woods himself said that the driving accuracy is an overrated stat. Instead, on green percentage stat is perhaps more meaningful. I think Vijay also said that he tries to get more distance in place of accuracy. I think what they are saying is that minor rough does not hinder top PGA players. They are strong enough to simply power through rough of say 3 to 5 inches. The roughs on the majors are another matter, aprroaching a feet. No one can power thorough these with any accuracy or consistency. A lot depends on the golf course itself and the set up.

As for Tiger's performance on LPGA tournaments, It would again depend on the golf course and its design. I doublt you would see too many booming drives on the par 4s. Instead, you may see lots of irons shots off the tee. Not too many holes are straight. One simply cannot blindly drive on dog legg par 4 for instance. He simply would not be able to play the golf as it was meant to be played.
12/29/05 @ 13:01
Comment from: RRR [Visitor]
22 tears and check your spelling of Afghanistan and Kennesaw Alex, By the way your use of it’s in a few places is inaccurate and it should be its. I guess it happens to even the perfect. I'm crying for you man, you have definitely lost it. The Mint drink thing was a parody of Southern Women you neophyte investigator. I don’t know but maybe Shakespeare was right in his play Henry VI

As a Battle Hardened Marine I thought you would know that I, as a civilian DoD employee nor any Commander at any level can order troops into war. The President, as Commander in Chief has reserved that right. But I can send them off or go over and send them back from areas of conflict and I did just that. My tour of duty in the military started with President Nixon until I retired during Clinton’s second term and later began working as a civilian when President Bush.43 was elected

You were correct Alex on the timing of Operation Restore Hope to Somalia as it was in the nineties. To be more specific I received a call from AMC Headquarters on Thanksgiving Day stating that President Clinton was ordering (this is where that Order part comes in) troops to Somalia and prepare to have the MEF deploy from Camp Pendleton through March Air Force Base, California. The actual deployment took place from 1 December 1992 to 8 January 1993, yet sustainment (military term please overlook the spelling) missions whet on long after 8 January. I believe I gave my troops their first day off somewhere around the 20th of January 1992. I took my first day off sometime in February Yes Alex I do unfortunately send troops into harms way. Referring to my “Citation to Accompany the Award” for this particular operation, there 10,000 troops and 22 million pounds of their equipment that left on 486 airlift missions. The real challenge for this deployment was the order from the Four Star CINC AMC that no aircraft leave one minute early or one minute late for Somalia because the landing slots at Mogadishu were critical. The 486 aircraft, a mixture of C-5s, KC-10s and commercial B-747s each departed the runway exactly on time.

There are “Citations” that refer over the years to hundreds of operations that involved sending troops to hellholes all over the planet or being at the hellhole receiving the troops on the inbound missions. The first major operation I was involved in was “Operation Baby Lift”, yes Alex towards the end of the Vietnam war. I could give you the figures for some of the operations but not all (yes some are still classified) by referring to the Citations for the decorations I was awarded over the years or my “Superior” performance reports, but it would overwhelm this blog..

BTW Alex the Reserve General was not a racist, far from it. Unfortunately he was as you are uninformed and unaware of what was happening. The citation for my MSM from this assignment didn’t refer to this specifically, but my superiors at 21st Air Force were made well aware of the situation and supported my efforts.

Here is a parting gift Alex so you might learn something:

Alexander Hamilton was a great Prophet of future events when he described you and many of your fellow colleagues of the legal profession (sic) prostitution) within the beltway of Washington DC. If the shoe fits Alex…………..

Hamilton wrote:

Men often oppose a thing, merely because they have had no agency in planning it, or because it may have been planned by those whom they dislike. But if they have been consulted, and have happened to disapprove, opposition then becomes, in their estimation, an indispensable duty of self-love. They seem to think themselves bound in honor, and by all the motives of personal infallibility, to defeat the success of what has been resolved upon contrary to their sentiments. Men of upright, benevolent tempers have too many opportunities of remarking, with horror, to what desperate lengths this disposition is sometimes carried, and how often the great interests of society are sacrificed to the vanity, to the conceit, and to the obstinacy of individuals, who have credit enough to make their passions and their caprices interesting to mankind. Perhaps the question now before the public may, in its consequences, afford melancholy proofs of the effects of this despicable frailty, or rather detestable vice, in the human character.
12/29/05 @ 14:00
Comment from: RRR [Visitor]
Err: Alex, January 1992 should be January 1993. It was 0400 local when i started writing this and I am just now on my second cup of coffee.

12/29/05 @ 14:10
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Bottoms up, RRR, and Happy New Year. Have you ever thought about writing a sequel to the "Secret Life of Walter Mitty"? Man, you got a million of them! If BS was music you'd be a brass band! What have you been drinking?(or smoking?)
12/29/05 @ 22:07
Comment from: RRR [Visitor]
I'll write the sequel Alex when you finally come out of the closet.
12/29/05 @ 23:12
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
RRR, Whatever. Since it's the Holiday week, we are not too busy, so I showed your postings to three other members of the firm who had served in the military since Vietnam. Two served in the Army, the other in the Marine Corps. The Marine was active as a First Lieutenant until 1995 and had served in the first Gulf War. They were unanimous in calling "BS" on your latest rambling post. None had ever had the experience of taking orders from a DoD civilian or had even heard of such a situation. What convinced me, however was the fact that despite your purported 150 rounds of golf per year, you never once mentioned your handicap. No avid golfer would ever fail to mention his handicap. Mine is 14, but I only played 21 times this year and I won't play again for probably another three months, at best. A final word of caution: RRR, the reason that most military veterans don't go into "chapter and verse" detail about their experiences as you chose to do, is that except for the few who may have had similar experiences, nobody understands them, and NOBODY CARES!
12/30/05 @ 10:37
Comment from: RRR [Visitor]
The President and SECDEF will be surprised Alex to hear they have officers that don’t follow their orders since they are civilians. I never stated I ordered anyone to do anything, I said, “The times I sent women to Iraq, Afghanistan or any other area of hostilities they took guns to the fight (not brooms) and drew a full combat load on arrival.” This is what we do in Air Transportation arena, send men and women off to areas of conflict with weapons/combat loads, sustain their logistics in the field and then send them home again from the AOR But to clear the air Alex, there are many civilians who do rate officers/NCOs and subsequently give them instructions or orders. I worked for civilians at times during my military career and I did not see it as a problem. But to also clarify this point further Alex, I do in fact instruct, mentor, direct and yes give orders to those military members assigned to work for me. The UCMJ (legal authority) also provides for civilians the authority to issue reprimands and admonishments to those military members assigned who fail to follow said orders.

When you listed your vast background and the numerous letters after your name and then call me a liar in this blog, I felt the need to defend my honor. This is why I provided some detailed background on myself and to hopefully clear up any ignorance you may have about what I did in the military and after. You are the one who took what I wrote and then twisted it in your own mind and distorted it.

Now go back to the former Army Grunts and Jarhead in your office and ask them if they ever took a MAC (converted to AMC June 1992) flight while they were in the military that sent them into or out of conflict/combat? Also ask them if they took their M-16s and were issued 300 rounds of ammunition on arrival? If they answer, “Yes” then “Case Closed” Mr. Attorney and you can cease your investigation and realize you are the “tuba” in the brass band. I stand by all that I stated in this blog as derived from facts, not fiction.

BTW the handicap I carry is a six although I never saw a reason to state it in this blog. I have great days and not so great days on the course but that is golf.

Sorry to hear you have two or three more months before you can play again Alex. I need to run so I can make my sunrise tee off here on Fantasy Island.

One last piece of advice Alex bloggers do not like to be graded on their posts. If you want to grade papers become a teacher and somebody will give a crap.



12/30/05 @ 14:42
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Gee, RRR, I didn't know you were an Air Force bus driver. Had I known that I would have paid my fare and shut up. Gee, you were issued 300 rounds of M-16 ammo on arrival! Did you ever have to fire any of those rounds? Some how I don't remember any flyboys being in any firefights. Now I really call "BS".
12/30/05 @ 18:55
Comment from: RRR [Visitor]
Just who do you think is at the landing point first Alex, setting up the airhead for offload of troops and equipment? Or maybe turning a stretch of road into a bare base airfield for C-17s or C-130s to bring in troops and their war toys? The Airfield Fairy maybe?

When the TPFDD flows from JCS, who is tasked first to deploy into the AOR setting up airfield support for the future deployment of troops and equipment by air?

You really don't have a clue Alex about what it takes to get the gun fighters to the gun fight do you?

We did not have our ammo issued after arrival Alex. Our clips were seated and rounds chambered when we jumped off the back after landing (this came in quite handy during Operation Urgent Fury). We only were required to take the ammo, incendiaries or explosive devices away from the Marine and Army troops so they wouldn't hurt themselves or the aircraft. We got to keep ours.

BTW Alex just where did you trade hot lead with an enemy? Heck Alex, I might have already been there long before you, wondering when you and your buddies would finally show up at the party.


12/30/05 @ 22:55
Comment from: stone [Visitor]
I thought this was a golf blog, not a pitch meeting for Apocalypse Now II. "Trading hot lead": Are you kidding me? We all appreciate what you may or may not have done for our country, but lets get back to golf.
12/31/05 @ 00:38
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
stone, I agree completely. RRR got off the track way back there. if you haven't read the rest of his posts, try them if you could use a few laughs. RRR, stone says he doesn't want to hear anymore of your harangue, so my final answer to your question is Khe Sanh, Hue, and Pleiku. "Trading hot lead" Now that's a hoot!
12/31/05 @ 09:49
Comment from: RRR [Visitor]
If you were at Khe Sanh during the Tet-68 offensive you have achieved my deepest respect and admiration Alex. That was the hellhole to end all hellholes and the Marines who held their ground became Legendary Heroes to anyone associated with the military. This humbled Senior Master Sergeant (Retired) salutes you Alex and all the brothers you lost.

Stone this was my last post.

Phantomsgt goes silent now.


12/31/05 @ 14:16
Comment from: Jim COULTHARD [Visitor]
Back to the Wie rule. The smallest modification would be to allow exemptions for amateurs as well as anyone who is too young to qualify for LPGA membership--but I'm sure Kraft Nabisco wants Wie in future years even if she is not an LPGA member.
01/01/06 @ 17:04
Comment from: Jim COULTHARD [Visitor]
Will the LPGA ease restrictions on the number of events a non-member can enter? And which tournaments will Wie enter this year in any case?

If there is no change in rules, by adding the Fields Open in Hawaii, which I assume Wie will play, at least one tournament will lose Wie this year--which could be the Kraft. A rule change favoring Kraft would hurt another tournament. Perhaps the exemption rule could be changed to either increase the number, or not count tournaments like the Evian which are not primarily LPGA events. I wonder if the HSBC World Match Play Open might be an event Michelle Wie could wind up playing? I think she might want to play some match play this year. If the number of tournaments stays the same, she might drop Safeway and Samsung.
01/01/06 @ 17:42
Comment from: Norman [Visitor]
I would be absolutely shocked if Wie wasn't allowed to play at the Kraft. If the Masters can invite a Chinese guy ranked 181 in the world, the lpga can find a way to invite Wie to the majors. As regards what tournaments will be dropped, I don't know, but I guess it will all depend on scheduling. She will want to try US Open qualifying again, and hope to get a stage further.

Also she will probably want to try British Open qualifying. If she got out of sectional qualifying in both the British & US Open, it would be a great achievement, but of course would add the regional qualifying into her schedule, which could affect other things on her schedule.

A European lpga event is of course a possibility too, but she will have so much on with probably some Asian events, that it should be difficult to fit everything in.

It should be a fun and exciting year. Hopefully her golf will continue to improve as it has been so well.
01/02/06 @ 13:12

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