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Comment from: RonMon [Visitor] Email
No matter how many little men Ernie has on his shoulder, he chose family over career. Tiger will wump him come Sunday. Wump, by the way, is Dhubajian for liquidate.
02/03/07 @ 22:53
Comment from: Billy Dawg [Visitor] Email
I'm just glad you didn't say "... or I'll eat my hat."
02/04/07 @ 09:09
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
RonMon,

When are you clowns going to learn a little something about golf, especially stroke or medal play?

In this format, no one other player is a golfer's adversary, the course is the opponent that must be overcome.

The 18 hole layout is the enemy that must be suddued for all four rounds.

Incidentally, Tiger wasn't able to "wump" Ernie in Dubai. Henrik "wumped" them both and the rest of the field.
02/04/07 @ 09:19
Comment from: Oliver Sudden [Visitor] Email
Tiger altered Ernie's brain and now Els has had it. He knows he can't beat Woods and he is setting out to prove he is right.
02/04/07 @ 09:35
Comment from: Billy Dawg [Visitor] Email
Oliver Sudden - Els beat Woods by one.
02/04/07 @ 11:50
Comment from: InTheBunker [Visitor] Email
Billy--Els and Woods LOST!!!

02/05/07 @ 14:50
Comment from: Shanks [Member] Email
ITB, I have to agree with Billy. You are being penny-wise and pound-foolish here. The road to No. 1 leads through Woods, not Stenson. Would Els have preferred to win - sure. But his concern in regards to the long term is being able to stand up to Woods. If he can do that on a consistent basis, the wins will come in bunches.
02/05/07 @ 15:46
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Shanks,

You not only don't know a thing about stroke play, you refuse to learn.

But I'll repeat it for you anyway.

In a medal play event, ALL the players are out to best the course, not any individual player.

02/05/07 @ 18:33
Comment from: Shanks [Member] Email
I totally get your brilliant intellect, Alex. But you are being short-sighted.
02/06/07 @ 07:22
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Shanks,

I'm happy to see that you've seen the light. Better late than never.

You should certainly realize that Ernie's chances of becoming the Number One ranked golfer are vitually nil, as are the chances of of 90% of the players now competing on the PGA and European tours. Any player over thirty years of age has no chance of displacing Woods.

Woods has been so effective that the only way he could lose his top rank would be to go winless for about three years and miss a half dozen cuts while making no top tens. And at least one of his top rivals would have to win multiple times during this slump to threaten Tiger's ranking.

Ernie is a surefire Hall of Famer,and a terrific golfer. He will surely score better than Woods many more times when the two are in the same event. But if you think that that will be the catalyst that will put Ernie ahead of Woods in the world rankings, you couldn't be more wrong.
02/06/07 @ 09:02
Comment from: Shanks [Member] Email
Oh yeah, he will most likely feel like Sisyphus in three years time. But you know what? He's the only one with the onions to publicly state who he is going after. Most of the top guys are afraid to do so. It's only a risk if there is a significant chance of failure. And he's got that in spades on this one.
02/06/07 @ 09:16
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Shanks,

I think we are in agreement then that it is an admirable thing for Ernie to do the best he can in all his tournaments, that he will be trying to win. That is a noble aspiration and one which is shared by every player on the PGA tour.

Here's some food for thought: Woods is a superstar, the absolute best to come along in a decade. He is the benchmark by which all other golfers are measured. His winning percentage is far and away the best among all active players, about a .250 average in wins. And yet despite his exemplary record, in about 75% of Tiger's events, at least one golfer, and in many tournaments several golfers, score better than Woods.

If Ernie goes lower than Woods in their next twenty common tournaments, he still won't be Number One unless he wins about half of them
02/06/07 @ 10:49
Comment from: InTheBunker [Visitor] Email
Shanks,
Whaaa? By your logic if Woods finishes a tournament, let's say T-35, it's a victory for Els if he finishes 27?

Seems to me the measure of progress is standing up on Sunday with Woods in RED on the b-9 at a major--that's progress!
02/06/07 @ 11:47
Comment from: Shanks [Member] Email
Let me give you some food for thought. Els is on a self-described 3 year plan to reach number one in the world. As those world rankings are on a rolling 2 year period with diminishing awards for the 1st of those 2 years, what happens over the rest of this year matters not - except for drawing close in head-to-head matchups, mentally more than anything. Then he will embark on outperforming Woods over the following 2 years, even if by only the slimmest of margins.

So my point is, this year is all about getting himself in position, performance-wise, to fully engage Tiger for a 2 year stretch and all of the ups & downs that come with such a journey. And that is why he was looking more at Tiger than actually winning at Dubai. Do I like his chances? Nope. But I won't say that he doesn't have one at all. Realistically, I'd be thrilled if he just got close. Golf would be much more exciting if there was a real rivalry.
02/06/07 @ 11:58
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Shanks'

Do you actually believe that Ernie was more interested in finishing better than Woods than he was in winning at Dubai?

For a golf writer to entertain such a bizarre thought is truly amazing.

Somehow I don't remember Ernie hiring a hall to celebrate when Tiger missed the cut at last year's US Open. Or was that before his three-year plan kicked in ?

Your idea that Ernie will somehow become Number One even if he outscores Tiger by just "the slimmest of margins" makes no sense at all. The rest of the PGA pros aren't going to settle for being also-rans to those two, no matter their credentials.
02/06/07 @ 18:32
Comment from: Shanks [Member] Email
Alex, if you refer to my previous comments, you will see that I said Els is disappointed that he did not win. But he has 2 goals: the immediate, which is winning, and the long term which is to catch Tiger Woods. So yes, he is concerned with winning. I thought you would have been sharp enough with that brilliant intellect of yours to keep my comments in context of his secondary goal. It is there that he needs to test himself against Woods, eye-to-eye. Until he gets past the intimidation factor, he will never be able to reach his ultimate goal of being No. 1.

Els announced his three year plan just a couple of weeks ago. My "slimmest of margins" comment was directed at the entirety of the last 2 years of that period (2008-2009).
02/07/07 @ 07:35
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Shanks,

The fallacy of believing that Ernie has the slightest chance of becoming No. 1 in the next three years by outperforming Woods, lies in the fact that the two will probably play in the same events less than ten times per season.

What these two do in respect to each other will have very little bearing on world rankings, regardless of the outcome.

Wins, top tens, top 25's, and relative strength of the fields determine the rankings.

And Shanks, please, no more acknowledging of my superior intellect.

You know it, and I know it, an the others will soon realize it. Besides, your trumpeting it is a little embarrasing.
02/07/07 @ 09:11
Comment from: Shanks [Member] Email
I don't know what fallacy you are referring to but if Els could manage to outperform Woods in the tournaments they both enter (if even by the slimmest of margins), it's a solid assumption that Els would be performing at that same incredibly high level in the ones where Woods is not entered. Would that not get him his coveted No. 1 ranking? To quote Hannibal Lecter: "Now thrill me with your acumen."
02/07/07 @ 09:46
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Shanks,

As I said previously, unless Ernie outperforms Woods in every event in which they are both entered for the next three years, AND wins at least half of these tournaments, the answer to your question is no, it would not get him the coveted No. 1 ranking.

Shanks,

Surely you haven't already forgotten what it took for Vijay to wrest the No. 1 from Tiger.

Tiger went into a minor slump(for him it was a slump), and Singh had to win TEN tournaments and set a single season money-winning record to edge Tiger out of the top spot. And at the time of the start of Vijay's remarkable run, Woods didn't have as big a margin in the rankings over him as he does now over Ernie.

It doesn't require that much acumen to see something so obvious.
02/07/07 @ 10:25
Comment from: Shanks [Member] Email
At the end of 2009, where they are right now makes no difference. Even last week's results in Dubai won't be in the calculation. Those 2009 year end rankings will be based solely on 2008-2009, with a heavy emphasis on 2009. This is why Els has stated it's a 3 year plan. He's giving himself a clean slate at the end of this year.

Now, although I prefer not to chew my food twice, I will make an exception for you and re-iterate that, no, I don't like Els chances of meeting his stated goal. But I love the kahunas it takes to publicly state it. None of the other superstars have the nerve to even say so, for fear of The Wrath of Woods.
02/07/07 @ 10:36
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Shanks,

The Wrath of Woods? What's he going to do, win tournaments in which they are entered?

Could their reasons for not announcing intentions of taking over the top spot be that they know it is impossible and they would sound silly?

If No.2 Furyk suddenly displayed the "kahunas"(sic) to announce that he too was on a quest for No.1, would you be similarly impressed?
02/07/07 @ 12:03
Comment from: Shanks [Member] Email
(Chill on the Star Trek reference, dude.)
But Woods also manages - with the assist from the press - to lay a little public humiliation on those who challenge him directly.

The reason is they are afraid of taking on the challenge.

Furyk knows he'll never be that good.
02/07/07 @ 12:13
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Most of that BS about Woods intimidating the other PGA pros is just that.

Much was said by the golf announcers and the press of how Woods took Stephen Ames' remarks so seriously that it caused Tiger to go out and lay a 9 and 8 thrashing on the hapless Ames, who was only in the tournament as an alternate.

One critic even said that Ames might never recover from that trouncing.

It affected Ames so negatively that a few weeks later, he went out and spread-eagled the strongest field in golf at the Players' Tournament by six strokes over second place.

That field, incidentally, included the indomitable Woods.

Some of you fellows put too much emphasis on the so-called mind games and the intimidation factor. These guys are pros, the best in the world. They can handle pressure and criticism.
02/07/07 @ 12:54
Comment from: Shanks [Member] Email
If you don't think that these guys are intimidated by Woods, you really should find another sport to follow. Of course, if they are not playing him head-to-head down the stretch, the intimidation would not be a factor. WBut oods has it and Nicklaus had it, as did Hogan & Jones. If you've ever heard any of their contemporaries interviewed, you would have heard it from their own mouths.
02/07/07 @ 13:17
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Shanks,

What I conclude from your replies then, is that while all other pros on the PGA circuit tremble in fear of the mighty Tiger, and are thus careful not to incur his wrath, Ernie Els, the brave warrior, is alone in his disdain for Woods.

He alone has the courage and the heart to dare aspire to the Number One ranking. That, my friend, is hogwash.

If Woods had that much of an all-powerful aura, that much of a dominating mystique, along with his peerless game, he would NEVER finish anywhere but first in any tournament.
02/07/07 @ 14:32
Comment from: Shanks [Member] Email
We'll have to disagree then. Because I believe that, as of right now, that Tiger Woods only loses when his game is sub-par. And that's not to say that he doesn't win sometimes in those instances either. Many, many times the leaders fold up when he puts on his normal Sunday display. So, tell me, when was the last time he lost when playing in the final group on Sunday?
02/07/07 @ 14:41
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Padraig Harrington made up three shots on Woods in the final six holes to win a tournament recently. Tiger was second in that one.

Obviously, Padraig wasn't intimidated. And Tiger's game wasn't sub par that day, either.

What I thought was mildly amusing was a syndicated article in Monday's Tribune where the writer said that Tiger had had a "terrible time" with his putter in Dubai.

Nobody, Woods included, scores 23 birdies and 17 underpar, and finishes T3 against a tough, world class field if he is having a terrible time with his putter.

Tiger didn't make as many putts in Dubai as he would have liked to make, but he made a lot of them and his game was definitely not sub par.
02/07/07 @ 17:28
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Shanks'

That tournament was the Dunlop Phoenix in Japan. Woods had the lead going into the final day and a substantial lead with six to play. but lost out eventually to Padraig.

It doesn't happen very often, but even the best lose an event to a super closing round. It happened to Tiger last November.
02/07/07 @ 19:06
Comment from: Shanks [Member] Email
Right, you are, Alex. Nothing is 100%. Well, except for death, I suppose. But Tiger winning while in the final group on Sunday is the next best bet. So far.
02/08/07 @ 07:24
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
Tiger Woods is to golf what Secretariat, Buckpasser, and Seattle Slew were to thoroughbred racing.

Like those three superb horse, Woods is a great frontrunner, having the class to hold his pursuers safe.

He also is a great "closer", having the ability to put pressure on those ahead of him, and to quite often catch those rivals.

And finally, he is the consummate grinder, he never "bags it", accounting for his numerous top ten finishes when going into Sunday he wasn't anywhere on the leaderboard.

It is for those reasons, among others, that I am certain that even a guy like Ernie will never supplant him as Number One. Woods would need to go into an unprecedented slump, while one of his pursuers, possibly Ernie, would need to go on an unprecedented tear, winning three or four majors and a half dozen other events in those two years you mentioned.

It's commendable to have high aspiration, but it just won't happen.
02/08/07 @ 10:05
Comment from: Shanks [Member] Email
Like I've said, I don't think Els will pull it off either. So we agree there. But unlike you, I won't say he has no chance. First of all, it is no unprecedented for Woods to 'slump' for whatever the reason. He has twice gone winless for 10 majors in a row. And during those times he has not always been the World's No. 1. Secondly, I believe Els has more talent than any of the other superstars. Should he be as re-dedicated as he says he is, he may well take his game to new heights. Many scenarios can unfold and are too numerous to mention. I just hope that it comes to fruition so we can see what results.
02/08/07 @ 12:03
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
2under,

The reason that it will be virtually impossible for any PGA pro to overtake Woods as Number One in the foreseeable future is that Woods is by far the most consistent player on the tour.

I have been a spectator at tournaments where Woods has been competing six times. Of those six, he has only won one. But he finished top five in three others, top ten in one, and 16th in the other. That is consistency which no other player has demonstrated over such an extended period.

As previously stated, it took arguably the greatest single season in the history of golf for Vijay to barely overtake Tiger.

Unless one of Woods' closer pursuers has a similar miraculous run, coupled with an uncharacteristic slump by Tiger, there is simply no way that anyone can surpass Woods in the rankings. The methods used to formulate the rankings mathematically won't allow it.

Possibly, one of the newer bright lights, such as Adam Scott, might get super hot and make a run at Woods for the top spot. In my opinion, Ernie, Phil, and Jim Furyk are getting a little old to challenge, and Vijay, despite his great physical condition is already too old to do it again.
02/10/07 @ 09:50
Comment from: Oliver Sudden [Visitor] Email
There have only been two golfers in my lifetime that could really play when the chips were down consistantly. Jack Nicklaus and Tiger Woods. In the recent Buick when Tiger was about to hit his second on 17 and the tournament outcome was still in doubt I told my wife "He'll hit it stiff" and of course he did. Time after time he makes the big shot at exactly the right time. For this reason Tiger will be number 1 for a long time. As far as Els or anyone else talking about their plans to overtake Tiger I would suggest they start winning some ( major ) golf tournaments.
02/10/07 @ 20:42
Comment from: george simpson [Visitor] Email
Hi Ernie I am totally convinced the Masters is yours this year and will be there to follow you.Kind regards,George.
02/21/07 @ 13:35
Comment from: Shanks [Member] Email
Since you feel that way, George, now is a great time to make a wager on Els. The odds won't be any better than they are now.
02/23/07 @ 12:41

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