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Comment from: John D [Visitor]
Oh well 1/58. The win streak is over.
11/20/09 @ 15:52
Comment from: Shanks [Member] Email
A few of the posters around here might be found on a 20th floor ledge right about now, wondering how they can go on without their favorite punching bag to hit. Tell em all to get after Jamie Lovemark or Rickie Fowler next.
11/20/09 @ 16:01
Comment from: Ray Jeske [Visitor] Email
Shanks,

I fully expect domination, as Wie's last 8 events resulted in 4 top 4 finishes (a 4th, a 3rd, a 2nd and a 1st). And a 9th event in that span, Solheim, was absolutely a dominant performance. If you'll allow the Solheim performance to be considered another "top 4" performance--and perhaps most would consider it more resembling a win--then Wie's last 9 events comprised 5 top 4's. Imagine, 55% of one's starts resulting in top 4 performances.

It seems to me that Shin, Ochoa, Ai Miyazato and Wie are the best female players in the world at the moment, at least over the final 4 months or so. And consider these numbers: 67, 69, 70, 69,64, 70, 69, 66, 73, 66, 69. What are they? Wie's Sunday scores her last 11 events. And add to that Sunday's clutch performance at Solheim. Sunday has become Michelle Wie's best day.

Another year like this past year, especially the latter half, and she will be threatening the lead in the world rankings. Now #1 in the world in birdies per 18 holes, domination is not far away.
11/20/09 @ 19:51
Comment from: Jim C [Visitor] Email
Wie's problems in the clutch have been highly exagerated. Shanks talks about the tournament that got away in the final round at the Sybase. Reality. She started tied for 4th with Creamer 3 shots behind Oh and Pettersen. She never got any closer. After she had played 11 and the leaders 10 she was at
-10 while they were at -13. She doubled bogeyed 12 effectively eliminated what slight chance she still had--but that chance was pretty remmote. That is hardly something I would describe as one that got away. Passing Lincicome to move up from T4 to T3 actually made it a decent final round. She would have needed the best round of the day just to tie Oh's winning score.

I think the question for Wie now will be how good she will be, not how good she will be in the clutch. With a win now, she figures to only get better in the clutch--but who knows how good she will be.

Stanford had 3 wins in 7 events and 9 straight top 7s. But then she cooled off, still a top player but not at that level. Has Wie just been in a hot spell, or is her recent good play simply what we can expect in the future, or will she improve. Big hitters tend to have hot and cold spells. In the past one of the things that has been amazing about Wie was her level of consistence. But I am not sure she has that same level of consistnce now.

11/21/09 @ 00:22
Comment from: St. Matthew [Visitor] Email
She was spraying balls all over the place Sunday in her win.
the only reason She won was that others were doing worse than She did and that may have been on purpose so She would win
11/21/09 @ 03:58
Comment from: Ray Jeske [Visitor] Email
She "spray(ed) balls all over the place" enroute to a 69.

To put Wie's above final-round scoring into context, Wie was the 9th best scorer with an average of 70.55, .33 strokes per round behind world best Ochoa's 70.22. But on Sundays, over a 4-5 month stretch. Wie averaged 68.36!
11/21/09 @ 08:53
Comment from: Lance R [Visitor] Email
Ray,

You expect domination from Wie next year? We shall see, but remember that she only has one win. What impresses me more is her top 10s and scoring, but I think "domination" may be a stretch. I think she has been playing well, but will soon cool down. Look forward to blogging in 2010.

Happy Holidays

lance
11/21/09 @ 11:35
Comment from: AJ [Visitor] Email
Domination from Wie? She's not even one of the 5 best golfers on the LPGA! At best she finishes 7th on the money-list next year. Man it amazes me that people can actually watch these players play and not see the superior talent of players like Ochoa Shin and Kerr. Of course most people have never heard of these players because the media is stuck on one player.
11/21/09 @ 17:49
Comment from: Jim C [Visitor] Email
This year Wie did quite well in the final round--but mostly she did it after she was out of the hunt for a win. Where the pressure may have gotten to her this year was in the middle rounds when she was trying to position herself for a Sunday run.

She averaged 70 for first rounds, 69.41 for final rounds and an overall 69.72 for the two combined.

She averaged 71.58 for middle rounds--which would still be 70.93 if you drop her two terrible 81s from the Kraft.

If we project reduced pressure to win means her middle rounds match her first and last rounds, she would average 69.72 next year which is close to the 68.69 and 69.70 that Ochoa averaged in 2007 and 2008. Knock the average down a bit since she figures to play in the uS Womens Open, and maybe Wie averages 69.8

Not quite a dominant level, but close.
11/21/09 @ 19:01
Comment from: Lance R [Visitor] Email
Ray,

Wie shall see......

Many have predicted this (dominance) in the past and have been massively disappointed. The main difference between your arguments and ones from the past is that now she actually does have a win. Regardless of how talented she is, you still have the primary problem with her game, which is what is going on between her ears.

If she starts winning, she will be expected to win, thus the pressure resumes, and.....

Wie shall see in 2010.

Lance
11/22/09 @ 12:07
Comment from: AJ [Visitor] Email
Ray I respect your opinion but Miss Wie has no feel around the greens and that is the one thing that will keep her from dominating. It's why Tiger Woods is the best in the world. His ability to make putts and get up and down from anywhere under pressure. That's what separates him from everyone else. If it was all about ball striking, Sergio Garcia would have about 10 majors. All I would ask for is the media and her fans to quit making excuses and hype predictions after she finishes 7th on the money-list next year. It will mean that she is not the world beater people keep claiming she is. I have seen this for years but people still don't get it. She is extremely talented but the more talented ladies I've talked about.... get zero hype and it makes zero sense . That's not hating on the young lady, that's just the way it is. Take care.
11/22/09 @ 13:02
Comment from: Jim C [Visitor] Email
AJ
How can you say Kerr has better talent than Wie? Wie already has a win and Kerr didn't win until her sixth year on tour. We're supposed to write Wie off after next year if sh is 7th on the money list, when Kerr never made the top 40 until her 4th year, or the top 10 until her 8th year. Have a little patience.
11/22/09 @ 19:18
Comment from: Shanks [Member] Email
I see all of the Wie haters are refraining from a public meal of crow. But I imagine you can count on hearing from them again the first time Wie coughs up a lead on Sunday.

11/23/09 @ 08:01
Comment from: Jim C [Visitor] Email
At the Ochoa, Wie shot 70-66 for 136 for the first two rounds and 70-69 for 139 over the last two.

After round two she trailed Shin by 3, and she said she said she felt like she needed to shoot a lot lower and play a lot better over the weekend. She didn't but she won anyway, thanks to Shin's unexpected collapse.

Next time she is in such a situation she might realize she could win by simply keeping up her good play. Also next time she should feel less pressure to win so a top 3 finish would also be a welcome result even if it isn't a win. With less pressure she should be able to play better.

11/23/09 @ 09:45
Comment from: Shanks [Member] Email
Winning is a learning process and that will likley continue throughout 2010. What she is probably happiest about is the improvement in her chipping and putting under the gun. Typically, that's where nerves show up. Her up & down on 17 Sunday at the Ochoa was very impressive.
11/23/09 @ 11:29
Comment from: joe cool [Visitor] Email
Shanks,
I was at the LPGA Tour Championship and walked the 18 holes with Michelle. She only missed two drives during her round which resulted in a bogey and a double bogey. When I saw her hit her three wood 30 yards passed Kerr's drive into a 25 mph wind, that was impressive. She was consistently out driving Kerr and KIm 50 to 80 yards during the round. What bothers me are her stupid accidents she seems to have all of the time. How long does it take for a twenty year old sprained ankle to heal? I think she needs to get a new doctor. I look for her to be at Dubai next month because her parents are already salivating over her appearance fee.

Christina Kim is NOT a friend of her fans...she acted like a real prima donna and wasn't friendly to the people that pay her salary. The old timers were much better.
11/23/09 @ 20:40
Comment from: Shanks [Member] Email
The driver is a big issue for Wie, perhaps the biggest, but that is usually the case with young bombers. You just might see her develop some sort of stinger, like Tiger Woods has.
11/24/09 @ 09:10
Comment from: Jim C [Visitor] Email
Wie did much better in Mexico with two top 10s including her win in two events, then she did in the US. Were Mexican courses set up to favor a Lorena Ochoa whole US courses were set up to favor a Paula Creamer?
11/24/09 @ 16:51
Comment from: joe cool [Visitor] Email
Ray,
I see your point about the three wood. Ironically, in past tournaments both the PGA and the LPGA, when she elected to "play safe" and hit her three wood, the results were disastrous. Yes, when she makes contact with the ball, there definitely is a "different sound" from the other LPGA Pros. I think her parents will decide for her to play in Dubai simply because of the appearance money. Show us the money first, then, we will worry about ankle injuries second!
11/24/09 @ 18:10
Comment from: Shanks [Member] Email
No, she will not get rid of the driver altogether, ever. Would John Daly do that, or Tiger Woods, even when accuracy was a problem? She will learn with experience - especially in major championship conditions - when the risk is justified. And she will also learn to control it a bit better, maybe giving up a few yards to do so.
11/29/09 @ 09:26
Comment from: Jim C [Visitor] Email
I think Wie should decide when the advantages of having a driver in her bag are enough to justify including it as one of her 14 clubs. When LPGA courses are set up in a way that gives Wie litle or no advantages for using a driver, why should she carry one in her bag. I'm sure she could find another club she would want to carry in her bag.
12/02/09 @ 22:59
Comment from: Shanks [Member] Email
She will never give up the length advantage of having a driver available. She may develop more discretion as to when she pulls it out (think Tiger at Royal Liverpool), but that's about it.
12/03/09 @ 07:23
Comment from: coolio [Visitor] Email
With "baggage" I presume you mean people like her crazy, greedy father?

Here is one of my favorite BJ Wie statements:

“I’m well aware there that some say, since Michelle Wie is an American why is she making such a fuss. But you know what, the only thing about her that’s American is her passport, she is “definitely” Korean.” The golfer’s favorite dish is “rice with pork Kimchi soup with extra tofu and toasted seaweed on the side.” Her mouth waters when she hears about Bossam (boiled pork) or steamed codfish, and Soondae (Korean sausage) and Deokbokki (broiled rice pasta with Korean chilli paste sauce). She may have been born in America but her first words were Korean, and she did not start learning English until after she was attending school."
12/15/09 @ 15:17
Comment from: Shanks [Member] Email
Mr. Wie and what he has done would be a part of the "baggage" of the past couple of years, yes.
12/16/09 @ 04:32
Comment from: Scotty B [Visitor]
*****
I just think she's too talented to do anything but succeed. Just the fact that she's weathered all harsh words about her and has been able to find success that nearly any 19 year old phenom would be satisfied with. I hope she reaches her full potential because I think we would all be amazed.
04/06/10 @ 11:11
Comment from: Joe Cool [Visitor] Email
Michelle's latest gaff came at Tres Marias and those dreaded last six holes on Sunday. How do you take a double bogey on a 128 yard par three hole when every granma in Mexico is getting birdies and pars? (Miyazato birded the hole for a 3 shot swing) The straw that broke the caddy's back was when she missed that two foot straight in putt for par on no.17. For comparision...Miyazato had to make a 8 foot breaking putt on the final hole in order to win the golf tournament. Michelle, put down your Stanford books and start reading "The dummie handbook on how to putt."
05/03/10 @ 17:42
Comment from: Art [Visitor] Email
Her baggage is all the negatives thoughts in her head that starting when she could not live up to her and others expectations. As said before she never should have tried to play with the Men.

She should have stayed within her own level and learned how to win under pressure.
Her young mind was too fragile to take losses and disappointment at such a young age. Part of it is genetics. Her father could not perform under pressure either,
When She suffered heat stroke at that one tournament in the desert playing the men did not anyone see the look n her eyes. She looked totally defeated as they put her in that ambulance. That will forever haunt her no matter how much therapy she has or how many affirmations she tells herself. Positive thinking is sometimes not enough.
She's the best physically but her "baggage is killing her" She may have to quit
She 14 or 15 strokes behind Kristie Kerr after 3 rounds at LPGA Championship right now and she out drives Christie by a lot.
One of problems is she is built too long. Her arms give her distance, but they make her accuracy fail, that along with her baggage. They should give her a 42 inch driver or less then she could be a little more accurate. That would not help her putt under pressure though.
She has to get rid of most of the baggage first.
Possible but not probable because She's in denial and delusion.
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