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Anglea Rickles [Visitor] in response to: Morgan Pressel is already using gamesmanship on Michelle Wie

Anglea Rickles [Visitor] — Sat, 08 Jan 2011 02:57:40 +0000

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Norman [Visitor] in response to: Morgan Pressel is already using gamesmanship on Michelle Wie

Norman [Visitor] — Thu, 23 Feb 2006 00:58:35 +0000

George,
Nobody disputes that wins are important.
The issue is timing and schedule.

It is not a failing to not have won, at an age where nobody has won until 2 years beyond that age.

Here is a quote from One-Putt to expalin the scheduling part:
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The more you play the higher the odds are you will place yourself in a position to win and Michelle (who is not a LPGA Tour member) will only have eight events on her schedule making it difficult for her to reach the level of play needed to win.
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Jim COULTHARD [Visitor] in response to: Morgan Pressel is already using gamesmanship on Michelle Wie

Jim COULTHARD [Visitor] — Wed, 22 Feb 2006 23:31:45 +0000

GEORGE

Pauka Creamer didn't win until her 9th event as a pro--and she missed an LPGA cut in her 8th event before she had ever won. If you want to brag about how younf Paula Creamer was when she won her first LPGA event, shouldn't you at least give Michelle Wie either 9 events as a pro or time until she is 18 years and 8 months which was Paula Creamer's oh so young age at the time of her firstr win?

george [Visitor] in response to: Morgan Pressel is already using gamesmanship on Michelle Wie

george [Visitor] — Wed, 22 Feb 2006 23:02:59 +0000

** Comment from: John Neal [Visitor]
George,

** I don't remember anyone asking how many Top 1 performances in a Major Phil Mikelson had 2 years before he was eligible to join the PGA Tour. Nor do I believe the issue came up at all until his 5th or 6th year on tour. **

What you're saying then, is that conceptually it *IS* a legitimate area of scrutiny to measure somebody by whether they win or do not win a golf tournament. You simply have an issue with the timing.

Thank you. A modicum of sanity, at last.

** If Michelle has not won an LPGA Major by the age of 22 (presuming she joins the tour at age 17), then I'm sure people will be asking the same questions about her that they have been asking about Phil.

Until then, the comparison is a bit ridiculous. **

Ooops. Sorry. I spoke too soon. You do not suffer from the ravages of logic after all.

So nobody can ask why it is Michelle Wie has not won an LPGA tournament, any tournament. We're not talking majors here, just any tournament. Nobody is supposed to even pay attention to how she does until she's 18.

So the Wie Warrior Mantra will continue:

If she fails to win, SHE'S ONLY (fill in the age here)!

Or -- AT LEAST SHE'S TRYING!

No matter what, you've got an excuse. Michelle turns pro but must never be evaluated as a professional golfer. Except the last time I checked, they kept score in pro tournaments because they wanted to figure out who won the event.

-George

One-Putt [Visitor] in response to: Morgan Pressel is already using gamesmanship on Michelle Wie

One-Putt [Visitor] — Wed, 22 Feb 2006 22:24:43 +0000

I have expectations Morgan will win on the LPGA tour.

I have expectations Ai will win on the LPGA tour.

I have expectations Paula will continue to win on the LPGA tour.

I don't have the same expectations for Michelle.

Morgan, Paula and Ai will play at least 20 to 25 events on the LPGA tour this year and Ai will also play some Japan LPGA tour events.

The more you play the higher the odds are you will place yourself in a position to win and Michelle (who is not a LPGA Tour member) will only have eight events on her schedule making it difficult for her to reach the level of play needed to win. She likes playing with the best and that puts Annika in the field on most of her LPGA tour stops.

Once she turns eighteen and can play a full LPGA schedule (if she chooses to do so) all bets are off and I will expect her to have some victories to her credit.

In the meantime I will enjoy watching Morgan, Michelle, Ai and Paula adding some zip to what was a pretty boring LPGA tour before they came along. These gals will win and they will win alot in the future.

John Neal [Visitor] in response to: Morgan Pressel is already using gamesmanship on Michelle Wie

John Neal [Visitor] — Wed, 22 Feb 2006 08:14:58 +0000

George,

I don't remember anyone asking how many Top 1 performances in a Major Phil Mikelson had 2 years before he was eligible to join the PGA Tour. Nor do I believe the issue came up at all until his 5th or 6th year on tour.

If Michelle has not won an LPGA Major by the age of 22 (presuming she joins the tour at age 17), then I'm sure people will be asking the same questions about her that they have been asking about Phil.

Until then, the comparison is a bit ridiculous.

george [Visitor] in response to: Morgan Pressel is already using gamesmanship on Michelle Wie

george [Visitor] — Wed, 22 Feb 2006 05:48:53 +0000

** If that is the issue for you, then fine let that be your issue.

For me, the issue is that she improves her play over the coming season.**

Well, pilgrim, that's cause it allows you to induldge in your pretzel logic that enables you to twist a non-first-place result into a win.

** The issue of an lpga win is not near as important for me, as it is that she plays well. **

Same issue. By using criteria other than wins and losses, you increase your odds that you can concoct some rationale that suits your fantasies.

** So much of it depends on the way things happen and how she plays, as opposed to the results. **

Riiiiight. Because that's why they keep score. To FEEEEL how somebody played -- as opposed to trying to figure out who won the tournament.

If winning didn't count, Norman, then why was it that Phil Mickelson for so long was under scrutiny because he hadn't won a men's major? Mickelson was known as the "Best player who never won a major." The key phrase, for you logic-impaired Wie Warriors, is "won a major."

Then after Mickelson won the Masters, the questions emerged about whether he was a one-and-done major champ, as so many others have been.

See? The analysts and the media wondered about how often did Phil win. They weren't really worried about how many top 10 finishes Phil had. They wanted to know how many Top 1 finishes he had.

-George

John Neal [Visitor] in response to: Morgan Pressel is already using gamesmanship on Michelle Wie

John Neal [Visitor] — Wed, 22 Feb 2006 03:21:14 +0000

Actually folks the way I read it, the applicable rule for EVERYONE on the list is 8 events in the last 52 weeks. The LPGA Info sheet states that rule applys for anyone 'who has not been on the list before'. Since this is the first list, no one has ever been on the list before.

While I am only presuming here, I don't see how they can drop anyone under the 8 event rule until at least a year has passed. It would make little sense to list a player for one week with 8 events in the last 52 weeks, and then drop them the next month because they 'had been on the list before' and now only had 9 events in the last 52 weeks.

But, there is much still to be explained about the whole process including "WHY ISN'T MORGAN PRESSEL ON THE LIST!" She has exactly 8 events in the last 52 weeks including the 2006 SBS...Somebody needs to explain something.