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Comment from: Paul W [Visitor]
I prefer he sticks to hunting where he can only hurt the fat cats he's hunting with, and maybe an occasional bird. If he takes up golf, you'll never know if he's the guy teeing it off in the fairway next to you! They would have to have you sign a liability waiver before you tee off.
02/14/06 @ 09:38
Comment from: William K. Wolfrum [Member] Email

The guy just had a heart attack. I hope you're proud of yourself making fun of the poor, cherubic, quasi-octagenarian hunter/businessman guy.

Though I admire you for your willingness to poke fun at both hunters and republicans, two groups notorious for having the sense of humor of forks.

The Cheney story is interesting, however. If only the guy he shot would just get trapped down a mine shaft, newspaper editors across the land would have the perfect storm of headlines.

"Man trapped in mine following heart attack after being shot by Vice-President"

Yeah. That's gold, baby.

02/14/06 @ 14:29
Comment from: Lester Hinson [Visitor]
"Man trapped in mine following heart attack after being shot by Vice-President"

YAWN! You need to throw in a missing beautiful blonde teenager girl.
02/14/06 @ 14:44
Comment from: Under Par [Visitor]

Just so you know, conservatives have far better senses of humor than liberals could ever hope to. Ever hear of Rush Limbaugh and Michael Savage? Just try and find a liberal host who could match the latter's wit.
02/14/06 @ 15:58
Comment from: Jason [Visitor]
The only thing funny about Rush was his 400 pill-a-day drug habit and John Stewart puts of them both to shame when it comes to wit and intelligence. This story speaks to the incredible arrogance of Dick Cheney, 16 hours before reporting a near fatal shooting, embarrasing and indicative of the sort of attitude we have come to expect from this regime--No explanations, and no apologies. Who thinks for a second Cheney wouldn't have covered this up if he could have. On the bright side, we finally found a weapon of mass destruction, Dick Cheney.
02/14/06 @ 20:11
Comment from: Under Par [Visitor]

You really have some askew priorities if you think this is a major story. Cheney apologized profusely to Whittington -- he doesn't owe YOU an apology. Are you insane?

The mistake he made caused injury to one man; it would be ridiculous to apologize to the nation. What we should be talking about is Al Gore's treason, where he went to Saudi Arabia and impugned his own nation with distortions during a time of war.

By the way, you've never listened to Michael Savage, dumbell.
02/14/06 @ 23:28
Comment from: Lester Hinson [Visitor]
>>>"Just so you know, conservatives have far better senses of humor than liberals."


And Nero was a hell of a fiddle player.
02/15/06 @ 03:59
Comment from: John Z [Visitor]
Jason, I don't know what politics is doing on this board, but since you see fit to excoriate Dick Cheney for an accident that injured one man, I'd like to ask you what you would have done in a similar set of circumstances. Cheney made sure that the man was getting treated before he notified the hostile press of the accident. Do you believe that he should have held a press conference while the man was in the emergency room? And where did you get the notion that it was a "near fatal" injury? You obviously know very little about shotguns. Cheney was hunting with a 28 gauge shotgun with extremely light powder charge and the smallest shot available. At thirty yards, it is virtually impossible for such an accidental shot to be fatal to a grown human being. It could cause serious injury if eyes, ears or other sensory organs were struck. I really think that such vitriolic hatred for a sitting Vice President over an obvious accident has no place in civil discourse, especially on a GOLF message board, for heaven's sake!
02/15/06 @ 09:50
Comment from: Lester Hinson [Visitor]
''At thirty yards, it is virtually impossible for such an accidental shot to be fatal to a grown human being.''


Are you DRUNK? The guy he hit was 78. A 78-year-old man could die from getting hit in the face with a stiff wind! You think he ended up in intensive care for an unrelated hangnail?

BTW, check out the thoughts of Paul Begala, a 30-year hunter, where he writes "it sounds to me like Cheney was not being safe." Interesting.
02/15/06 @ 10:23
Comment from: John Z [Visitor]
Lester, no I'm not drunk. Are you? I'm pretty close to being 78 years old , and I can assure you that it would take a lot more than a stiff wind to kill me, even from a pompous wind bag like you. I've been a hunter for a lot longer than thirty years, and I stick by my statement that with that powder load with that size of shot from that guage of shotgun from that distance, a fatal wound to a mature human being is highly unlikely. It is the policy in ALL emergency rooms to treat gunshot wounds in the intensive care unit. Paul Begala is not what I would call an unbiased, unimpeachable source. Cheney undoubtedly wasn't as cautious as he should have been. But that doesn't make it any less of an accident. Lester, be a man and try using facts in your arguments and not insults.
02/15/06 @ 11:23
Comment from: Tim McDonald [Member] Email
"Conservatives have far better senses of humor than liberals"

You have GOT to be kidding me!

Rush Limbaugh is a fatbag blowhard/drug addict funny only to Nazis because of his racist/sexist statements. Don't know Savage, nor do I care to, but I'll bet he's in the same vein. Yeah, those Republicans are laugh riots...

Try John Stewart, Bill Maher, Al Franken, Jeanne Garofolo, I could go on and on.
02/15/06 @ 11:51
Comment from: Lester Hinson [Visitor]
''Cheney undoubtedly wasn't as cautious as he should have been. But that doesn't make it any less of an accident.''


Hey, I'm not saying it wasn't an accident. I don't think anyone is. But I do agree with this blogger McDonald that Deadeye Dick should not be allowed to hunt any more. Too unsafe. BTW, God help anyone hit so hard with lead pellets that one is able to "migrate" to his HEART.
02/15/06 @ 11:57
Comment from: John Z [Visitor]
Tim, are you sure that you're on the right forum? This is NOT the "Daily Kos." Lester, maybe you have something in discouraging Dick Cheney from hunting in the future. Didn't Ted Kennedy lose his driving privileges for a short spell after that little episode at Chappaquidick?
02/15/06 @ 12:18
Comment from: Jason [Visitor]
A couple of points: I don't think as an average citizen that the local law enforcement would take to kindly to not being notified of a shooting until the next day. So I probably would not have had the luxury of deciding whether or not to tell anybody. Also this man had a heart attack from this so called harmless birdshot, as it lodged in his heart, yeah sounds pretty minor to me. I also was not implying that an apology to the nation was in order, simply that his style and the style of this government is no explinations and no apologies, this from a former press secretary for Dick Cheney. I actually do know Michael Savage and his hatred spewing vehicle Savage Nation and am less than impressed with his sense of humor, which unless you think ethnic slurs, religous insults and gay bashing are funny, is not my cup of tea. John Z. if I were you I would take a deep breath and relax before you have a heart attack. If you feel the need to spew your republican, quasi-nazi views, launder your white sheets and go to your local Klan rally. Take Under-par with you you two should be perfect for each other, two older than dirt racists insulting liberal pansies and their horrible social programs.
02/15/06 @ 12:28
Comment from: John Z [Visitor]
Jason, don't you think that your sympathy for Mr. Whittington is misplaced? After all he is a quasi-Nazi, racist, homophobic, sexist Republican and an attorney no less, and a contributor to the Bush-Cheney campaigns. I mean, he he didn't deserve killing, who does? Not only are you ignorant of firearms, you don't have a clue as to the unwritten rules of the Ku Klux Klan. A klansman is forbidden to wash his sheets. When sheets become too soiled to wear to the bi-weekly cross burnings, the manual specifically states that they are to be ceremonially burned and buried with the utmost reverence. Replacement sheets can be purchased for a nominal amount from the local Grand Kleagle. Information on Klan activities in your area can be obtained by sending a self-addressed, stamped envelope to Sen Robert Byrd, D-W.Va, retired Grand Dragon of the Morgantown chapter. All inquiries will be kept in strict confidence.
02/15/06 @ 13:58
Comment from: Under Par [Visitor]
John Z,

Bravo. These moronic liberals know as much about guns as Slick Willie does about fidelity. I even heard that someone on CNN (I believe) called the shot "the bullets it was loaded with." Leave it to a liberal to comment on something he knows nothing about.

Hey, Tim M, you columnist wannabe you, what "racist/sexist statements" has Limbaugh made? Can you provide one? And you haven't listened to Savage but you know exactly what his nature is. You know what you are? You're a typical two-bit, hypocritical, two-brain-cell leftist. What ever happened to tolerance and non-judgementalism? Ohh, I remember now, those are "virtues" that others are supposed to practice so that your twisted values can hold sway.

Listen, Tim, stick to golf, something you at least have a modicum of knowledge about.

Anyway, there is something here from which I derive great pleasure. You have political beliefs. I have political beliefs. You are passionate (God knows why). I am passionate. But there's one BIG difference. I am getting paid to write about mine. You, on the other hand, will languish here on these golf boards influencing that huge group of people that will frequent your blog and take a golf blogger's political musings seriously. LOLOLOLOL
02/15/06 @ 16:56
Comment from: Lester Hinson [Visitor]
''Didn't Ted Kennedy lose his driving privileges for a short spell after that little episode at Chappaquidick?''


what the hell does Ted K. have to do with anything!? I keep seeing rightwingers reference that as if they're being clever. Ahh, nothing like "humor" straight off the speaking points.

For what it's worth, I wish Deadeye Dick would take both Ted AND W. hunting next time.
02/15/06 @ 16:57
Comment from: Under Par [Visitor]
Oh, by the way, if Cheney shouldn't be allowed to hunt anymore (a truly ridiculous assertion), then, as John mentioned, why is that slob of a lush Ted Kennedy allowed to drive?
02/15/06 @ 16:59
Comment from: John Z [Visitor]
Lester Hinson, In reply to your question "what does Ted Kennedy have to do with anything?", the answer is this: Teddy is a virulent critic of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfield, Rice, and the US military. AS such, he leaves his own record open to scrutiny. That record has as its main point the drowning by intent or by negligence of a young women who was in the company of said Sen. Kennedy while he was the legal spouse of another woman.
02/15/06 @ 20:39
Comment from: Lester Hinson [Visitor]
Ahh, thanks, John Z, that clears it up. So anytime Bush, Cheney, Rumsfield, Rice, etc. screw up in 2006, you holler about Ted's 1969 Chappaquiddick episode. Perfectly logical.

By the way, Teddy K.'s record is not open to open to scrutiny "because he's a virulent critic of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfield and Rice" ..... his record is open to scrutiny because he's a U.S. Senator and a very public figure. Same goes with W., Deadeye Dick, Herr Rumsfeld, Condy, Delay, Daschle, Pelosi and on and on and on. That's what freedom of speech is all about.

No one living in a free country needs a reason to scrutinize govt. officials -- or even to mock them. And frankly, I wish we'd all do more of it. Fox News, for instance, has done a great job in building a tremendous following. Oh how much better off the country would be if they would use that clout to truly scrutinize ALL those in power, rather than gladhanding and whitewashing everything done by the side they like. Now, if you want to claim CNN is worse, fine. I wish THEY'D scrutinize public figures a lot more too! I agreed 100% with Bill Maher when he said: "I truly believe that the problem in this country is not that we're too cynical; it's that we're too naive, too stupid, too willing to swallow the same old crap."
02/16/06 @ 06:52
Comment from: John Z [Visitor]
This blog is proof that the liberal, kook left in this country just can't get away from politics. Bitching about Bush et al is EVERYTHING to these misguided souls. Everthing that ever happens is the result of some nefarious, conspiratorial scheme. A good portion of these wackos actually think that Bush and his cabinet and advisors planned and carried out the attacks on Sept 11, 2001. Also, they firmly believe that Bush and company caused Hurricane Katrina and are deliberately exascerbating the crisis in New Orleans to make certain that the black population doesn't return. Lester, that is quite a euphemism you attach to reckless, drunken driving resulting in the abandonment of a young woman to drown, and a REAL coverup. It's now the "Chappaquidick episode." That would be funny if it weren't so sad.
02/16/06 @ 09:30
Comment from: Tim McDonald [Member] Email
John Z -- funny, the left was saying the same thing about the right during Clinton's years.

Remember how Clinton was accused of everything from murder to real estate scandals?

I wonder what you have to say about the Bush family's long-standing ties to the royal family of Saudi Arabia.

Get rid of our dependence on Mideast oil? Yeah, that'll happen under Bush's watch. He doesn't just make billions for Big Oil, he IS Big Oil.
02/16/06 @ 09:58
Comment from: John Z [Visitor]
Tim, your initial blog was innocuous enough; you were obviously trying to be somewhat funny. But then a few of the kook left jumped in and you just couldn't contain your vitriol for Bush. I expect that this blog will degenerate even further since Bush is now "big oil." It would be interesting to me to discover what liberal, left-wing college you attended and what courses you majored in. In your next posting, maybe you or possibly one of the other Bush haters should include a diatribe about how that dumbbell Bush, a guy who isn't smart enough to come in out of the rain, managed to steal two Presidential elections and not leave any evidence and also managed to keep all the potential whistle blowers quiet. Please don't disappoint me, we "WINNERS" can use a few laughs.
02/16/06 @ 10:28
Comment from: Tim McDonald [Member] Email
John Z: Answers, in order:

College: Florida State
Major: Sociology
University of North Florida
Major: Journalism

"that dumbbell Bush, a guy who isn't smart enough to come in out of the rain, managed to steal two Presidential elections, and not leave any evidence."

Part of the answer lies in your question. Bush is, indeed, intellectually challenged. He's as inept a president as he was a businessman. He talks like a backwoods, Texas hick, which he is, only with money. If it wasn't for his daddy's money, backed by the GOP machine, he'd be operating a laundromat somewhere along the Tex-Mex border.

As for evidence, it's hardly left uncovered. I give you the U.S. Supreme Court sellout, Katherine Harris' sneaky machinations, the Republican dirty tricks machine and any number of others.

By the way John, it's probably wise not to give your last name. Republicans love to operate in secret.
02/16/06 @ 11:08
Comment from: John Z [Visitor]
Tim, well, you certainly didn't disappoint us "WINNERS." But your "evidence" only covered the 2000 stolen election. What about the more egregious theft in 2004? Gee, I never would have guessed that you majored in sociology. I thought you'd be more of an astrophysics guy. I like the way that you have learmed the liberal, kook method of mingling your sociology with your journalism.
02/16/06 @ 11:39
Comment from: Tim McDonald [Member] Email
You're a good and typical Republican foot soldier. Your adolescent attempts at sarcasm are about as witty and subtle as your ham-handed bragging.

Yeah, you're a winner all right. You ever notice that people, mostly teenagers, who separate others as "winners" and "losers" are usually those who end up as interstate snipers or alone in their bedrooms on Friday night, reading Mein Kampf?
02/16/06 @ 11:54
Comment from: John Z [Visitor]
Tim, one sure way to get us recalcitrant Republicans over to your side is to keep on questioning the intelligence of those of us who didn't major in sociology. Yes, that liberal elitism is a real winner. When you get your conspiracy hat on again, give us some words of wisdom on Bush's complicity in causing the 9/11 attacks and Karl Rove's top secret hurricane machine. And you still haven't told us how the evil GOP managed to steal the 2004 election, especially with all the Dems on full fraud alert along with the press. Come on, Tim, you can do it! Incidentally, I have already read Mein Kampf along with Das Kapital, the Communist Manifesto, and a little of Chairman Mao's handbook. You ought to read them sometime. They have about as much credibility as all the liberal nonsense that you have gobbled up. In fact, you should try reading ANYTHING. It wouldn't hurt and it might even help.
02/16/06 @ 13:43
Comment from: Tim McDonald [Member] Email
Thank God you're not on "my side"
02/16/06 @ 14:01
Comment from: John Z [Visitor]
Tim, your lifetime membership in the liberal, kook movement is hereby revoked! You had the audacity to mention, gasp, GOD, in your last post! Surely you must know that using the "G" word is anathema to all kook libs. Tim, why no replies on the various conspiracy questions? Are you waiting for talking points?
02/16/06 @ 15:25
Comment from: Under Par [Visitor]
Ha-ha, a sociologist! What a surprise. It couldn't be more stereotypical: a left-wing scum blogger who majored in social science and journalism.

Ol' McDonald had a degree, ee-i-ee-i-o! You know, Timmy, you really are a great intellect, aren't you? You simply dismiss anyone to the right of Mao Tse-Tung as a "Nazi," which makes it easy. That way you don't have to think, and you'll never have to question your emotion-based, leftist orthodoxy.

Timmy, you can talk about Bush, but between the ears, you're as bush-league as they come.

02/16/06 @ 16:31
Comment from: John Z [Visitor]
Under Par, Tim says he thanks G.. I'm not on his side. I guess the kook libs think they have all the people they'll need to overthrow the all-powerful Bush-Cheney-Rice-Rove machine. Won't they be surprised when Lord Darth Rove unveils his October surprise! Tim, in the internment camps that Lord Rove now has under construction, there will be no place for such subversive nonsense as sociology. Journalism with a decided leftist bent will also be proscribed. Prior to internment at the re-education facilities, there will be a period of general amnesty for those who truly desire to mend their ways. The length of this period will be at the sole discretion of Lord Rove. To resist is futile! You will be assimilated!
02/16/06 @ 17:35
Comment from: Lester Hinson [Visitor]
John Z -- ''Lester, that is quite a euphemism you attach to reckless, drunken driving resulting in the abandonment of a young woman to drown, and a REAL coverup. It's now the "Chappaquidick episode." That would be funny if it weren't so sad.''


True enough. "Incident" was a lousy word choice on my part. However, the point being made was that it's completely unrelated to Deadeye Dick shooting a man in the head, so why do you people bring it up? Why not bring up the Teapot Dome Scandal or Nixon's Committee to Reelect the President!?

There's no way this should even be a political debate. I, mean all McDonald did was make a few jokes at the expense of a public figure who'd just made a total ass of himself but filling a pal full of lead. No different than making fun of Gerald Ford for shanking a golf ball into the gallery and tagging a spectator. Deadeye Dick, a very public figure, stumbled badly. Tim poked a little fun at him. So did 98% of the known world. Did you see the headlines in the UK papers!? Hilarious.
02/16/06 @ 18:15
Comment from: John Z [Visitor]
Lester, backpedaling at this stage will not be tolerated. Tim went far beyond the jocular stage when he started referring to me and others as Nazis. One of his lackeys called Under Par and me Klansmen. The time will come shortly when left-wing kooks such as you will be called before the Central Committee for adjudication.
02/16/06 @ 18:38
Comment from: Under Par [Visitor]
John Z, you're good.

You know, I have to laugh at these delusional commie-libs. They throw the most jagged stones imaginable, then they turn around and ask why we're taking satire so seriously and are becoming so disagreeable.

I'll give Tiny-brain Tim credit: his little piece was funny. And, in all fairness, some good natured ribbing is in order when you accidentally shoot a hunting partner. But TBT couldn't leave well enough alone. Of course, though, it's not surprising. Left-wingers are miserable people and, consequently, tend to be quite mean.
02/16/06 @ 19:21
Comment from: Lester Hinson [Visitor]
''The time will come shortly when left-wing kooks such as you will be called before the Central Committee for adjudication.''


Ah, at last we're in agreement about something.
02/17/06 @ 04:10
Comment from: John Z [Visitor]
Lester, you needn't be concerned. Living conditions in the re-education centers will be quite pleasant. In a recent meeting with several other members of the Central Committee, we were briefed by Lord Rove himself as to the curriculum for the guests. After breakfast and the mandatory daily dose of Ritalin, there will be required reading of the works of Buckley, Bennett, and Coulter. After lunch, for entertainment there will be one hour of martial music by the USMC marching band. Afternoons will be in a lighter vein, perhaps two hours of listening to the "Best of Rush Limbaugh." At this point, only one speaker has been engaged for certain for the nightly two hour orientation. David Horowitz has committed to the program exclusively for the initial four years. Other speakers TBA. All in all, it should be a rewarding three years in the program. Those needing more therapy will, of course, be accommodated. The first center is scheduled to open in early October. Construction has been delayed due to a strike at the factory making barbed wire and electrified fencing.
02/17/06 @ 09:26
Comment from: Under Par [Visitor]

Tiny-brain Tim Needs to Replace Writing With Hunting.
02/19/06 @ 18:16
Comment from: Burt Jordann [Visitor]
Tim McDonald sure enough stirred up a hornet's nest. I think the boy is a bang-up (no pun intended) wordsmith. For me and many, many other folks, he represents truth, justice and the American way.

I admire his spunk and spicy attitude. I do. He looks them right-wing hate mongers in the eye and says — bring it on. I'm a Vietnam veteran with a bad golf game and worse complexion. I'm tired of watching people cow-tail to the unholy triumvirate of Cheney, Bush and Rumsfeld.

Power to the People. And right on, Tim McDonald.
02/22/06 @ 14:06
Comment from: Tim McDonald [Member] Email
You go, Burt!

I'm sick and tired of these right-wing bully-boys, too...

02/22/06 @ 16:14

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