Al Franken responds to Rush Limbaugh on TravelGolf.com

Hypocrisy, thy name is neo-con.

What a cute grammatical trick: "his racist and sexist views." For people who claim to have hated Joe McCarthy, liberals sure do sound a lot like him. So now it's just a fact the guy's racist and sexist, and we can discount anything he says. "There are 57 known conservatives in the State Department!"

Then you go to a comic for commentary who knows nothing about the issue or GOLF. Is this site about Golf or bashing Rush Limbaugh? It seems to be called "TravelGolf." Perhaps a new web address is in order? It's really too bad that some people cannot leave their political views out of anything.

Like religious fanatics, they have to apply it to everything. Someone can't even talk about golf if he's a heretic! The man said he admired Miss Wie, but that she needs to start winning. It's the exact thing said about Anna Kournikova, and unfortunately it turned out she preferred marketing to her sport. I don't think that's the case with Miss Wie, but then it's not really about her, is it?

It's about a chance to lash out with McCarthyist fervor at an effective spokesman for blasphemous views. We may not burn heretics at the stake anymore, but man, if you could get your hands on this intellectual infidel you'd do just that.

But I can understand the laziness. Why go through all the work of learning facts? Why take the time to debate intelligently? Nah, it's so much easier -- as McCarthy and so many other despots taught us -- to simply throw a label at someone and therefore discredit anything they say.

This blog should be in the dictionary to illustrate "ad hominem attacks."

And drug use. How classy. Also, refering to a 1992 comment on ILLEGAL drug use to refer to the abuse of prescription pain killers in 2003. Glossiing over the distinction, and the fact that Mr. Limbaugh pointed out that he did not talk about that issue after his abuse started. That is one quote, one time, about ILLEGAL drugs but hey, we all are held to every position we hold and thing we say, correct?

Never mind the distinctions! A liberal will tell you what you meant by what you said, or what you meant by what you didn't say, or what your words mean if they are "code words," which is the whole basis of this Wie absurdity. Contrarily, if a liberal says something a conservative MAY NOT interpret it or hold them to it. A liberal will tell you just what that liberal meant.

Liberals also decide who is a hypocrite, and it's never one of them. No, they "grow" or "change with the times" or "evolve." Rush doesn't get the option to change his opinion through experience, just like he's being prosecuted (persecuted?) under a law used one or two times since.

Note that the ACLU backed Rush's medical privacy case. Note that no charges have been brought, and that even conservatives used to be "innocent until proven guilty."

Nah, drugs -- legal and illegal, although making the distinction here probably makes me racist or sexist becuase it's inconveient -- are cool when it's parties at Saturday Night Live. They're briefly serious when one of the cast dies. But instead of extending some compassion or a "right on" to someone you hate, it's a chance to attack.

Wow, this is a great "golf" site.

Wow, what a bunch of bigoted crap. It's really funny how liberals will defend the worst murderous, druggy, terrorist of individuals, but when a conservative who screws up in an understandable situation they want to lock him up and throw away the key.

Tim McDonald, is all about name-calling and has nothing substantive to say, probably cause it would take a little brainpower to do otherwise. Throw as much crap up on the wall and let’s see what sticks is probably his motto.

As far as Rush's previous drug problem goes, who in there right mind does not make a distinct difference between a person who get addicted to prescribed prescription drugs that originally had a valid purpose, and the drug addict who started using for recreational purposes and now is addicted.

What happened to Rush can happen to anyone.
My wife recently was told during a doctors visit they could do nothing for her sore throat except give her something for the pain. The doctor offered to subscribe her vicodin for a soar throat.

The point is that what happened to Rush could happen to anyone. He did not make a choice to start taking those drugs because he wanted to get high. And any comparison of him with a person that started using drugs for fun is ridiculous and repulsive.

I'm really done with Tim McDonald's blogging, I think everyone who reads it is dumber after having read it. I'm through losing brain cells on his blog.

This is the third of Tim's blogs i have responded to in an attempt to get him to actually point out how Rush is wrong, or lies, or is a sexist or a racist. So far, nothing except,as truth points out, ad hominem attacks, on Rush, and any responders that Tim doesnt agree with. But for the matter of "McCarthyist fervor", i see nothing wrong with fervor, and if you care to read Ann Coulter's fully documented book on the subject, "Treason", you will find out McCarthy was exactly right, anti-american communists were in fact infiltrating our government and he did his best in attempting to expose them. He was not entirely successful however, the government is still infiltrated with anti-american communists, today they call themselves Democrats.

Truth, be aware that in addition to articles on Limbaugh, Franken, etc., we still offer the same sort of informative and interesting golf/travel articles we have always offered. There are just as many of them, more in fact, for the enjoyment of traveling golfers everywhere.

The Limbaugh, Franken, etc. articles are there for those who choose to read them, and who find them worthwhile and interesting. If you and/or others find them objectionable, I urge you to bypass them and read the more golf/travel-oriented articles.

Enjoy...

It constantly amazes me how Tim absolutely refuses to actually confront some of the issues the responders bring up.....well, maybe it doesn't really amaze me once i realize hes a liberal......

Why waste a single key-stroke on a guy like Al Franken? Most people -- me included -- have trouble finding where Al ends and Stuart Smalley begins.

WHO CARES????????

I've often wondered about those people who say "who cares?" and yet take the time and effort to actually respond: "who cares?"

Who cares if you don't care? The act of not caring would seem, by definition, to elicit a non-response altogether. Yet, by your response, you demonstrate that you do, indeed care. You seem to be trying to make a statement, yet are bound by either language or cognitive limitations.

Tim M, that is the first intelligent thing I've heard from you.

"What happened to Rush can happen to anyone" Correct. What, exactly, did happen to Rush? He became addicted to drugs. Addiction is "moral failure" in conservative land. People who are addicted are seen as moral failures by conservatives. When they break the laws of the country to feed their addictions, they should be imprisoned as punishment. Somehow, Rush gets a pass on all this. It's not as if other people get a pass on becoming addicted and engaging in criminal activity due to becoming addicted to prescribed medication. There are a lot of other people doing hard time for Oxycontin who became addicted to prescribed doses and went on to find illegal sources for much more than was ever prescribed for them. Ten to twenty is the standard sentence. But not for Rush! No, he hired the same lawyer that defended the accused Kennedy rapist, right? What does that tell you?

well, lets see, first Whoya defines addiction for himself, then tells us what addicted people are seen as by conservatives. Then he goes on to tell us there are "a lot" of other people doing time for oxycontin, even defining what kind of time they are doing....hard....lol.....where he gets the figure ten to twenty is beyond me but liberals seem to have the ability to know all these things....whoya should watch E! channel or the oscars, or the emmys sometime and take note of some of these so called "stars" laughing and joking about their own addictions, homosexuality, lesbianism, or whatever the latest aberrant behavior they are involved in. There was ONE person previous to Mr Limbaugh prosecuted for a similiar event in Florida whoya, this political prosecution of Rush has been going on for coming up on 3 years, with NO charges being brought, and the lead prosecutor stating in open court that he "has no idea whether Mr Limbaugh has committed any crimes" I must note also Tim's response to Tim Q's "who cares" post is the ONLY direct response to the actual post Tim has ever done. Tim is very reluctant to actually confront the subject matter, preferring to write general attacks on people, and never stating things that can be checked.

let me correct that, the "who cares?" post was by ???????, not Tim Q. I only correct this because if i dont Tim will respond only to my error, not anything else.........liberals are so predictable.....

I saw Rush on the tube at a Pro/Am event recently. He was asked if he'd be there next year and he said, "Sure'. He'll be in jail by then, taking a meat enema from a biker named 'Destiny'.

I know the distinction is wasted on lefties whose minds? are made up; but Limbaugh has been accused of prescription drug abuse and convicted of nothing. I wait in vain for your outrage for Franken and Air America's shenanigans with the funds of the Gloria Wise boys and girls club. When it comes to the ilk of Franken, it is (see, hear, speak) no evil. But Limbaugh be damned at any slight chance.

Rush was popping up to 100 pills a day, pills which were not presrcibed to him, he did not come forward with his addiction until he was named in a federal investigation. He was taking Oxycontin, Lortabs and god knows what else to get high, not to ease his aching back. Those are the facts.

Al Franken says he knows nothing about Michelle Wie, so why are we bothering with him? This is a golf site, or so I thought. Rush may be a political commentator, but his comments in this case were about golf. Rush is a golf addict and his thoughts were about golf and Michelle, so where does Al Franken fit in? If Franken has any legitimate thoughts about golf, fine, put them in, but let's not make this into a political site. There are plenty of blogs for that.

Rush never said "people who used drugs illegally should be put away." He said that people who use illegal drugs should be. There is a huge difference. You can't get hooded on crack or heroin when your back hurts. Also he said it once in 1992. He even spoke about his mentor William F. Buckley's belief that marijuana should be legal and hinted he saw no point in it being illegal.

There is another person who had a similar thing happen to him that happened to Rush: Brett Favre, of the Green Bay Packers. He took painkillers for pain and ended up getting hooked on them. So, do Tim McDonald or Al Franken or Whoya and Liam think he should have gone to jail too?

I also noticed how the author of this story is not only a terrible writer, but is also afraid to respond to his critics. It seems liberals are all alike in this regard: perfectly willing to bad-mouth and name-call people they don't like, but afraid or unable to defend themselves when called on it.

Yes fair guy, i have been attempting to get Tim to point out some event or analysis or quote, or ANYTHING that Mr Limbaugh has said that makes tim think he[Limbaugh] is a racist, sexist, or bigot.....so far no response. This is so typical of liberals it becomes predictable.

hehehe..........nice try william,,,,,Rush himself tells his listeners you need to hear his show for at least 6 weeks before you begin to understand his satirical humor....and by the way,,,,if this country couldnt make it without 12 million uneducated mexicans pouring over our borders, how come mexico isnt a beacon of success?.......hehehe.....typical liberal william........

As i am perusing my response and re reading your post william i am remembering an old adage "all good humor is based in truth"....so having said that william...tell me just what is not true about any of Mr Limbaughs statements and why.....i await a response. As to the "better humanity" remark, tell us all how say,,,,,ohhhh, barbra streisand or .....oh...ted kennedy or,..ohhh, how about cythia mckinney, are attempting to "better humanity"......I would say Mr Limbaugh is giving it his all to better humanity by destroying any power liberals may have. (did anyone else notice william tried to sneak in a little namecalling with his use of the word fascist?)....hehehe...

Wow. I totally feel like an idiot for wasting my time with a response to you Bill.

"Rush himself tells his listeners you need to hear his show for at least 6 weeks before you begin to understand his satirical humor"

I really need to try that. Just read my blog every day for the next several weeks. If you still don't understand my humor, try reading it for a few more weeks.

Suddenly I remember why I rarely respond to these comments. Have fun with your lack of knowledge of ellipses, among other things.


--WKW

let me count how many of my direct questions william answered.........hehehe..........

Hey try this! Rush is a hero! Rush has millions of fans you have 10 (with family) How bout we (millions) protest the people that put ads on you site? ok! will do! I'm writing them and passing it on to friends to protest the ads on this site. Or we can have a fist fight. Gary vs. Tim and Al at the same time. bring it on, Gary the tattooed biker from hell vs. tiny tim and al franklen the nobody or any of the other nobodys. The Right vs. Left. Meat Eater vs. Veggie. Men vs. ? . Heros vs. zero. Be a man get in the ring.

William, I'm with you. It just doesn't pay to respond to people like this. The type of people who write things like "hehehe..."

Hey william, did you ever consider you might totally feel like an idiot because you are? Noooooooo, that couldn't be it.........

Bill, look, you aren't funny, you aren't witty, you never say anthing of even mild interest. You're basically a half-wit. Please try to refrain from comments until you get back on you medication or until you find the other half of your brain.

Hehehe

ohhhhhhhh, tim resorts to the last refuge of a liberal unable to debate. namecall.

Bill,

I guess you didn't get William's hint that you're misusing ellipses. There likely is information available on the web about it.

As for Mr. Limbaugh, here are some quotations of his I found regarding drug use and what should be done to drug users:

"What this says to me is that too many whites are getting away with drug use. Too many whites are getting away with drug sales. Too many whites are getting away with trafficking in this stuff. The answer to this disparity is not to start letting people out of jail because we're not putting others in jail who are breaking the law. The answer is to go out and find the ones who are getting away with it, convict them and send them up the river, too." 10/5/95

"When you strip it all away, Jerry Garcia destroyed his life on drugs. And yet he's being honored, like some godlike figure. Our priorities are out of whack, folks." 8/20/95

"I want to let you read along with me a quote from Jerry Colangelo about substance abuse, and I think you'll find that he's very much right…'I know every expert in the world will disagree with me, but I don't buy into the disease part of it. The first time you reach for a substance you are making a choice. Every time you go back, you are making a personal choice. I feel very strongly about that.'... " 9/23/93

"In the audio link below, I go into detail about these non-thinking talking points that 'you can't tell people what to do with their bodies' and 'you can't legislate morality.' First of all, we tell people what they can do to their bodies all the time--no cocaine, no prostitution, no throwing yourself off a building. Second, laws are nothing but defining morality! " 6/27/03

He does seem to have a double standard--send drug users to prison, except when it's himself.

By the way, the drugs he was abusing are legal to use only with a valid prescription. He didn't have a valid prescription, so his drug use was illegal.

Speaking of name-calling, how about Mr. Limbaugh's use of the term "feminazi".

And there was his classy ridiculing of Chelsea Clinton when she was 13 years old. Nice guy.

To elaborate on Limbaugh's comments re. Chelsea Clinton when she was 13, I believe that he suggested she looked like a dog.

Talk about someone that needs to told to pick on someone his own size.

I have never been quite sure why people listen to Al Franken, Rush Limbaugh, Michael Moore, Howard Stern, and others of that ilk. It would seem more reasonable to try to find a commentator, who, after careful study, and with an open, inquiring mind did his best to accurately define issues and offer plausible well-thought-out attempts at solutions.

Hey Bill, you say Will didn't answer any of your questions, but I searched your entire comment for a question mark and came up empty handed! A question mark is a symbol used at the end of a question, as in:
Did anyone else notice Bill tried to sneak in a little namecalling with his use of the word idiot?
HEHEHEHEHE*KABLAM*

I don't blame Will for not responding, people like you aren't going to listen no matter how many facts you are presented with. I won't label that extreme behavior conservative, however, as I've seen you use the line "typical liberal" all too much.