U.S. Open will be mercifully free of Michelle Wie circus
Remember the circus last year, when she tried and failed?
“I think Michelle demonstrated that it’s possible for a woman to play in a men’s major,” her father said. And this was AFTER she had tied for 59th in a field of 153 players in Open qualifying.
There were 8,544 applications to this year’s tournament, and not one of them had Michelle Wie’s name on it.
Is it because of her lingering wrist injury, or have Wie and her deluded entourage finally realized they are doing more harm than good by trying to force their way into the gender record books?
Remember, she vowed to try, try again after last year’s failure.
No way to tell. The Wie family isn’t saying. Funny, you can’t shut them up when things are going Michelle’s way.
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Creating more hype and hits are ya?
Speaking for himself and presumably other Wie Warriors, he confesses that "We forgot all about it" (Bubbles' flop at the Open qualifier in 2006).
It must be nice to have such a convenient memory. Then he calls Tim a moron, not once but twice. That June is really a sweetheart.
His long *nose?* is a funny shade of brown.
Wonder where he's had that?
I thought you had given up on your little heroine.
In particular, I've missed June's extensive insult vocabulary. It's good to see you're as good-natured as ever.
It's been so long, I can't remember Putt4Par's neuroses, but I'm sure he'll reveal them.
I am amazed thet you deign to sully these discussions with your own personal comments.
Nope, no neurosis. Just having fun yanking your chain and making Alex waste more time with his incessant babble.
Still, I am wondering about that long brown nose Alex is sporting lately.
Makes one wonder who Alex is getting so touchy-feely with.....
I see Michelle Wie focussing on winning on the LPGA at present, which is not to say she won't play the John Deers this year or additional men's events in the future.
What are you speaking of Alex. Do you refer to when Michelle won her local qualifier for the US Open, and then at Sectional put up a great performance and got much closer to qualifying than the experts though she would have.
Is it where her tee to green game was excellent but her putting on that particular occasion stopped her qualifying for the US Open.
That event where she showed that she certainly had the strength required to qualify for a US Open, something yourself and Judge have argued against on many occasions.
That truly was a very exciting occasion and Michelle showed a lot of game there. So Timmie, thanks for reminding us of it.
As regards the 2007 US Open Qualifiers, in case you missed it, she picked up a wrist injury and that's why she didn't enter it.
Excellent point about the schedule.
Just to explain it further.
Michelle is schedule to play the Ginn from May 31st, that's Thursday to Sunday and she is doing this at the request of Annika so she wouldn't want to pull out.
Sectional qualifying would be on the Monday with 36 holes.
Then the lpga championship would start on the Thursday after that.
What kind of a schedule would that be for someone coming back off injury? A very stupid schedule is the answer and hopefully the Wie's have learned from the mistakes they made in 2006, as they said they have.
I wouldn't say that putt4par has many neuroses. I'd say psychoses is the more applicable word.
I see you are into self analysis. (well, something anal. Still wondering about your nose discoloration )
Your total disregard for reality is legend.
Step into Dr.Timmys office and he'll help you out with that. (The psychoses, not the brown nose, Alex)
Didn't Bubbles miss qualifying for the US Open by about 40 placings?
And do you actually believe that her tee to green game was excellent?
And do you truly believe her so-so showing at Canoe Brook was "very exciting?" Exciting for whom?
If that's your idea of excitement, you probably get your jollies watching paint dry.
The golf channel showed it because people wanted to watch it. If she had made it history would have been made and she got much closer than most reasonable commentators wouldn't have expected.
The most impressive thing was how many greens she hit and how many legitamate birdie chances she gave herself. So yes her tee to green game was excellent at that event.
"Is Augusta ready for a 14-year-old Asian,a girl no less?"
You were already beating up on the kid long before you manufactured your "Hype" theory of realtivity according to Tim McDonald.
Can you say your prejudice is showing a bit and that was even before all the hype.
Apparently it made no difference to your prjudice that the above mentioned asian was American born.
Something like the Nancy Kwan story headline that said Asian beats american in figure skating.( Wasn't Ms Kwan born in the pacific Northwest of the Grand old US of A? ) There is a caste system alive and well in america and all your denials of racism are so much bs.
Alex seems to be a charter member.
Are you trying to ruin Shanks' reputation now? When you posted under his name, I thought he had taken a stupid pill.
The headline story you quoted by Tim is a disgrace:
"Is Augusta ready for a 14-year-old Asian,a girl no less?"
Firstly she is an American girl, so it's a simple incorrect headline, but if someone were Asian what would that have to do with anything when relating to golf?
I suspect Alex and his horde of iffy friends have the same problem but aren't gutsy enough to admit their prejudice.
Oh, and btw, it should have been Michelle Kwan, not Nancy and she was born in California.
I guess this was inevitable. You can not intelligently argue that Michelle has lived up to expectations, so the tired old charge of racism is all that's left. Get back to me when Michelle wins something and you have a leg to stand on, but until then keep your trap shut.
Yeah, you are one of the suspects.
Speaking of intelligence, do you have any? I mean, don't let fact or logic stand in the way of your obvious stupidity.
Fact: Not one (1) person has won an LPGA title before reaching the age of 18 years, 9 months and (X) days.Not your darling little princeses or even your usual golf champions like Webb and Sorenstam
And yet you demand that she be an instant winner. *snicker*- You are obviously deluded, crazy or just too dumb to understand that the whole hype thing is fabricated by the media gurus that you are sucking up to.
So, might I suggest you take your own advice and shut up till she passes the obvious age of 18+ years and then you can sound off.
Oh, and have a great day Ford.
It appears that our friend putt4par has gone off the deep end.
Where once he was mildly amusing, he now hehas nothing but vitriolic rancor in his repertory.
If that's what being a Wie Warrior does to a person, I can thank Divine Providence that I don't have the Wie affliction.
Jeez, Michelle Wie has done enough dumb things that you all can rightfully bellyache about but her lack of LPGA titles is not or shouldn't be an issue until she reaches 18yrs and (x) months and (x)days.
So yeah, you all are stupid to even be yapping about it.
In your case, your steady rant and derogatory names for MW for the past year + earns you the suspicion of prejudice other than gender bias.
Vitriolic rancor.... Now that's a good one Alex. You recognize yourself do you? Kind of sounds like a lot of your daily rants.
The racist comments are a waste of time. It's obvious Alex, Tim and others do not like Michelle Wie.
Whatever there motivations for this dislike are unimportant.
Something I find funny is that these people think a girl who doesn't win from 13 to 16 on the lpga tour with limited exemptions is a failure for not having won in that time period. What kind of logic could say that when nobody else won under 18 years 9 months old as you have already said.
Ding, Ding, Ding...
As for motivation. For the Bloggers, it's money. For the Alexs and Smails and Fords of the world??? Who knows!
As we can see from Tims article that I mentioned, he was already kicking the kid before the Hype had even begun. Same with Baldwin.
Of course we can only surmise that Baldy has a lech for Paula but that is legit now that she is past voting age. Not sure how legal it is but what the heck.
Alex??? he is supposedly a lawyer... Now those folks need no reason for being kooks. They just start out that way.
I'm going to put this in simple terms. Let's say there is a frog race, and a new entrant is thrust into the fray. Now, let's say the supporters of this creature are extremely zealous and enthusiastic and insist that it is not actually a frog but the most spectacular greyhound ever, one that will lap the field and go on to win races against thoroughbred horses. Let's now say that some time has elapsed and the creature has been unable to beat even the frogs, never mind the the grand equines. Putt4par, don't you think that you might want to point out to those who wear greyhound-colored glasses that their idol has fallen far short of what would be expected of such a "superior creature"? And remember, these are expectations that its supporters established for it.
Face it, you thought Bubbles would not just be chief frog in a little pond, but the best greyhound ever. And now it seems as if she's just a rather large toad.
Maybe the princess was kissed by fate and turned into a frog.
Wie supporters talked about how Michelle Wie could be competitive some day on the PGA--meaning top 10 on the leaderboard sometime on a Sunday, when everything goes her way. That certainly seems possible.
I predicted at least two Major wins last year for Wie. In that I was mistaken, but she did finish within 2 strokes of the lead in her first 5 stroke play events last year, including 3 Majors and the Evian. She had the best scoring average over all 4 Majors last year. And it was the Wie supporters who were clearly correct with the prediction that Wie would outperform Paula Creamer and Morgan Pressel head to head in 2006, while the Wie critics were wrong on both counts.
"don't you think that you might want to point out to those who wear greyhound-colored glasses that their idol has fallen far short of what would be expected of such a "superior creature"? "
She has not fallen short of any expectations, apart from maybe your own.
If you read any of the predictions I had put forward for her I had predicted that she could have a good chance for a pga tour card from about 25 to 29 years of age. There is a lot of golf between 17 and 25, so the ridiculous predictions you are talking about of her being in contention to win on the pga tour at 16 are just nonsense. She may well be in contention for wins later, but no realistic person would have predicted it would happen before she turned 17.
As regards the lpga tour, she is well ahead of schedule. She has achieved far more than any other player up to turning 17 on the lpga tour.
Neither one of them has a passing aquaintence with logic, all they can come up with is frog fantasys and greyhounds.
Remember when you were saying you thought Wie wouldn't play in 2007.
Then you changed it to she might only play 3 or 4 events.
Well she has confirmed that she is playing The Canadian Open Aug 16, and that suggests that she is likely to play a full schedule for a non-member of 8 lpga events.
Please don't assume that I said any such thing. I did say that she MIGHT not play in 2007, and thus far she hasn't.(On the LPGA tour, that is.)
Remember, Stanley, she has to win one of her potential starts for your dream to come true.
Also, she has to make a cut on the PGA, European, or Japan tours before the end of 2008 for the other half of your dream to be realized.
There is some possibilty that she might get a win, albeit a small one, since she may try to wangle exemptions to lower level events, like she has received from the Canadian Women's Open. She may even try the European Women's tour where the competition is often third rate.
As far as any of the three men's tours and making any cuts, Bubbles' chances are slim and none.
She has demonstrated that she can't even make a cut at the Sony on a course with which she is familiar, a short and relatively level layout. The 84 Lumber won't be played this year or next. The John Deere seems well beyond her reach. The officials of the European PGA tour have pointedly asked the sponsors to refrain from extending an exemption to Bubbles so as to spare her the embarrassment of another double-digit missed cut. She was 17 over par for two rounds at the last Casio, with 15 bogeys, one double bogey, and zero birdies, so I can't imagine her getting another sponsors' exemption to that event.
Stanley, all this poor play occurred BEFORE her spate of "injuries." She will have gone five months without any competitive golf.
Her game would need a jump start, a quantum leap unprecedented for any of your predictions to be realized
But if you stick by your predictions, you'll have my admiration for being a man of conviction. I personally don't see how any of that will happen.
"There is some possibilty that she might get a win, albeit a small one, since she may try to wangle exemptions to lower level events, like she has received from the Canadian Women's Open."
I appreciate that you have little interest in the lpga tour, but if you don't know the info, please don't comment on things you don't know about. The Canadian Womens Open is not a lower tier event. It is one of the premier events on the lpga tour. They have pumped huge money into it to attract the top players.
It has a prize money of 2.25 million, which is more than The Kraft Nabisco has.
The only events that offer more prize money than it are The US Womens Open, Evian Masters and the two Ginn Tournaments.
So The Canadian Open has the 5th highest prize money of any lpga event on the 2007 calander, so obviously it is not a lower tier event, and obviously it will attract the top players.
Please read more carefully.
I NEVER wrote nor did I imply that the Canadian Women's Open was a lower level event.
My observation was and is that Bubbles may try to wangle exemptions to some lower level events on the European women's tour. Please note the clarification.
"since she may try to wangle exemptions to lower level events, like she has received from the Canadian Women's Open. "
That suggested that the Candian Womens Open were a lower level event. In fairness you did go on to mention the European Tour after that as a third rate tour.
And by the way, what do you mean by wangle exemptions?
wangle = To use indirect, tricky, or fraudulent methods.
Given that the tournaments are falling over themselves trying to get her in their field, she wouldn't have to wangle any exemptions.
What part of "please note the clarification" is so difficult to understand?
Since semantics are so very important to you, substitute any word you choose for "wangle."
Far more important, what is your take on the possibility of any of you grandiose predictions concerning Bubbles coming true by the ends of 2007 and 2008?
Ale and Smuts do not have any concept of the meaning of logic. It isn't in their vocabulary. They both seem to live in their own little fantasy world peopled by frogs ad greyhounds with the occasional horse thrown in by Ale.
As for clarefication... Hmmm, 10 out of 10 people that I asked about Ale's comment on the Canadian open, agreed that he implied it was second rate.
Now maybe the fact that they were all Canadians, may have given the question a biased answer.
I wasn't aware that orderlies at your asylum allow ten people to congregate in one place
Speaking of horses, your posts of late seem to be emanating from the north end of a southbound horse.
I see that you're still having trouble thinking up your own material
Far more important, what is your take on the possibility of any of you grandiose predictions concerning Bubbles coming true by the ends of 2007 and 2008?
Excellent chance on both accounts.
Do you really think so? Well,as I said, congratulations on be a man of your convictions. When you find the time, give a little insight as to why you are so sure that Bubbles will begin her victory and made-cut string.
Other posters are probably getting tired of our nonsense. We should probably quit it. I'm willing to stop if you are.
Fair play for offering to end that particular battle, hopefully putt4parr will react in kind.
On your question of why am I confident in my predictions.
Well in lpga events Michelle has got better each year on the lpga tour. Hopefully 2007 continues that trend and then a win should be very likely.
In the 2007 Sony her game looked very good apart from the horrendous driving. She looked to have really sharpened her short game.
Also in her time off with injury she was only allowed to practice putting and chipping for a good period of time. This could actually turn out to have been very useful, as if her short game is improved further, then if she drives it any ways decent, she should score well on any course.
OK my friend, I see that you are true believer.
Let me see if I have the right take on you reasons for believing the way you do.
You think that Bubbles will score well on any course, and probably make a cut on one of the major men's tours, and you're excellent play and really sharpened short game as reasons for your optimism. And this vastly improved game was demonstrated in the 2007 Sony?
Excuse me but didn't Bubbles miss the cut there by 14 strokes?
I guess you also believe that a five month absence from competition will have nothing but a positive influence on her game.
Well, Stanley, like I said , you are an eternal optimist as far as Bubbles is concerned. I admire you for your blind faith even though I can't agree with it.
Ever heard of enter and sapcebar?
I was in Reno a few weeks ago.
The largest sports book there, the one at the Silver Legacy, had a futures book going on the US Open, the Open, and the PGA. Also, some prop bets available on the Players.
The guy behind the desk said that they never have any lines and therefore no action on anything LPGA.
Maybe the sportsbook at the Las Vegas Hilton might have something on Bubbles. I'll give them a call later when they open up. Time difference, you know.
1)I do not bellieve Michelle Wie talked about playing lefthanded against women.
2)Any criticism of Michelle Wie for her arrogance in playing agsinst the men applies to Paula Creamer as well since Paula said she would first take over number one from Annika and then play against the men. At least Michelle puts her clubs where her mouth is.
3)I believe Morgan Pressel has changed for the better, but she certainly put herself in a position to be judged by the same standards as Michelle Wie(except for the men's game)with her SI comments complaining there was too little focus on Michelle Wie's final round of 82, as well as a number of other comments since then.
4)People like Chris Baldwin loudly proclaim that Paula Creamer and Morgan Pressel are better than Michelle Wie.
5)As far as the Master's Championship is concerned, I think you are confusing Michelle Wie with Paula Creamer. The prediction of a win in a men's Major was made with regard to Ronnie on behalf of Paula Creamer, and apparently Ronnie is serious about his prediction.
My friend, your last definitely is revisionist history.
I spoke by telephone to the sports book managers of the LV Hilton, Caesar's, and the Bellagio.
None have any sort of line going on Wie or the LPGA.
Chuck Esposito at Caesar's said they might have a line on the Women's US Open Championship if there is a moderate amount of interest shown in it
Good points Jim C. Glad you are keeping up the good work.
Hope Alex is behaving well.
This article provides the quote about Michelle getting bored and playing golf left handed. It is not said in the context of playing against women--Just an overall arrogant comment in general.
This is the link to the 60 minutes interview in which Michelle talks about not only playing in the Master's, but actually winning. Also look for the comments about men's fragile ego's--particualry charming.
Jim C--I did not imagine these comments or the hysteria that engulfed Michelle mania a few years ago. Michelle and her handlers have been responsible for the hype and subsequently the impossible expectations placed upon her. Why is it so hard for you and others to admit that you were swept up in the hysteria and promised a product who could not possibly deliver the goods. On a positve note it is nice to see that team Wie have finally seen the light(for now at least)and are putting a halt to her PGA tour aspirations. This is a good, if not belated start to putting her career back on track and a strong endorsement of the learning to win first theory, a theory which "idiots" like Alex, Smails and I have long subscribed to--Oh yeah and another "idiot" named Tiger has long be a fan of this career track as well.
For cripes sake, everyone needs to get a grip
That was a 14 year old kid talking. Jeez, I'll bet some things you said you were even dumber than that at 14 .
You all take the things heard in those media dog and pony shows, way to seriously.
For pete's sake, you hear adults make goofier statements than that. God, your president is famous for stupid things he's said. And you continue to kick MW for something she said at 14?
Oh, and you say Wie and her handlers are responsible for the hype? Just who are the jackasses behind the mikes in those shows? Do you think that the Wies need to create hype when your media buds like Baldwin go out of their way to create the frenzy yo all feed on?
Nope, they aren't doing it by themselves.And you continually posting about those comments from 3 years ago, feed the hype as well. It doesn't help that McDonald and Baldwin deliberatly use inflammatory headings to stir up controversy to garner more hits.
Thank you. You have said much of what I was going to say.
I find it difficult to believe that Ford submitted as evidence, comments that Michelle made as a 14 year old and accused her of being arrogant and all the rest of it.
Come on. She was 14. You are really accusing a 14 year old of being arrogant? Cop on.
Your post was just too crappy to read, so I just looked at the first sentence.
Anything else is usually more of the same that we get from, Alex, Judge Smails, Smudge and a bunch of others with time on their hands and access to a keyboard along with a connection to the internet.
Now, go take some lessons in composition or at least get someone to teach you how to use the Enter key and the spacebar. Your dispatches are crappy looking messes.
Michelle's detractors did not set the bar too high for Michelle; Michelle did that all by herself when she brazenly claimed that omce she dominated the women's tour she would perhaps "play lefthanded" just to level the playing field against the women.
Later Ford tells us it was simply a matter of Michelle Wie getting bored and practicing shooting lefthanded as a change of pace. Since a golf shot can sometimes be far easier from one side than the other this actually seems like a good idea.
Jim said that Wie and Aree Song were the only ones to achieve such results at age 13 on the LPGA tour.
Paula Creamer didn't play on the lpga tour as a 13 year old, did she?
Morgan Pressel did play the US Womens Open, but she missed the cut, and that's much different to the 9th Wie got at 13 at the Kraft Nabisco.
I would think that characterizing it as a "space" is quite apropos.
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