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Comment from: putt4par [Visitor] Email
So, Timmy, you gonna bitch and whine about the 2 feamles that are entered this year?

Creating more hype and hits are ya?
04/30/07 @ 13:22
Comment from: June [Visitor] Email
We forgot all about it until you remind us, you moron.
04/30/07 @ 13:40
Comment from: June [Visitor] Email
You can't make your living without using her name, can you? So in the end she did some good to you, you moron.
04/30/07 @ 13:42
Comment from: Alex [Visitor] Email
Well, there you have it folks. June, a Wie-wee of some note has just revealed his secret.

Speaking for himself and presumably other Wie Warriors, he confesses that "We forgot all about it" (Bubbles' flop at the Open qualifier in 2006).

It must be nice to have such a convenient memory. Then he calls Tim a moron, not once but twice. That June is really a sweetheart.
04/30/07 @ 13:59
Comment from: putt4par [Visitor] Email
Well, there you have it folks. Alex, a Wie-basher of little note has just revealed his secret.
His long *nose?* is a funny shade of brown.

Wonder where he's had that?

04/30/07 @ 14:20
Comment from: Tim McDonald [Member] Email
Ah, June and Putt4par, I've missed you.

I thought you had given up on your little heroine.

In particular, I've missed June's extensive insult vocabulary. It's good to see you're as good-natured as ever.

It's been so long, I can't remember Putt4Par's neuroses, but I'm sure he'll reveal them.

04/30/07 @ 14:27
Comment from: putt4par [Visitor] Email
Hahahaha, Hiya Timmy.
I am amazed thet you deign to sully these discussions with your own personal comments.

Welcome aboard!!

Nope, no neurosis. Just having fun yanking your chain and making Alex waste more time with his incessant babble.
Still, I am wondering about that long brown nose Alex is sporting lately.

Makes one wonder who Alex is getting so touchy-feely with.....
04/30/07 @ 14:43
Comment from: Jim C [Visitor] Email
Michelle Wie does not want to play 36 holes on Monday, and then play the LPGA Championship starting Thursday, assuming the schedule is the same as last year. Not after her wrist injury. Indeed, she may very well skip the HSBC Match Play event which could include double rounds on Saturday and Sunday.

I see Michelle Wie focussing on winning on the LPGA at present, which is not to say she won't play the John Deers this year or additional men's events in the future.
04/30/07 @ 14:50
Comment from: Shanks [Visitor] Email
Alex: "Bubbles' flop at the Open qualifier in 2006"

What are you speaking of Alex. Do you refer to when Michelle won her local qualifier for the US Open, and then at Sectional put up a great performance and got much closer to qualifying than the experts though she would have.
Is it where her tee to green game was excellent but her putting on that particular occasion stopped her qualifying for the US Open.
That event where she showed that she certainly had the strength required to qualify for a US Open, something yourself and Judge have argued against on many occasions.

That truly was a very exciting occasion and Michelle showed a lot of game there. So Timmie, thanks for reminding us of it.

As regards the 2007 US Open Qualifiers, in case you missed it, she picked up a wrist injury and that's why she didn't enter it.
04/30/07 @ 16:46
Comment from: Stanley [Visitor] Email
Sorry that "Shanks" in the post above should read "Stanley".
04/30/07 @ 16:48
Comment from: Stanley [Visitor] Email
Jim C,
Excellent point about the schedule.

Just to explain it further.
Michelle is schedule to play the Ginn from May 31st, that's Thursday to Sunday and she is doing this at the request of Annika so she wouldn't want to pull out.

Sectional qualifying would be on the Monday with 36 holes.

Then the lpga championship would start on the Thursday after that.
What kind of a schedule would that be for someone coming back off injury? A very stupid schedule is the answer and hopefully the Wie's have learned from the mistakes they made in 2006, as they said they have.
04/30/07 @ 16:51
Comment from: Alex [Visitor] Email
Tim,

I wouldn't say that putt4par has many neuroses. I'd say psychoses is the more applicable word.
04/30/07 @ 18:04
Comment from: putt4par [Visitor] Email
Alex
I see you are into self analysis. (well, something anal. Still wondering about your nose discoloration )
Your total disregard for reality is legend.

Step into Dr.Timmys office and he'll help you out with that. (The psychoses, not the brown nose, Alex)
04/30/07 @ 18:27
Comment from: Alex [Visitor] Email
Stanley,

Didn't Bubbles miss qualifying for the US Open by about 40 placings?

And do you actually believe that her tee to green game was excellent?

And do you truly believe her so-so showing at Canoe Brook was "very exciting?" Exciting for whom?

If that's your idea of excitement, you probably get your jollies watching paint dry.

04/30/07 @ 18:55
Comment from: Stanley [Visitor] Email
Alex,
The golf channel showed it because people wanted to watch it. If she had made it history would have been made and she got much closer than most reasonable commentators wouldn't have expected.

The most impressive thing was how many greens she hit and how many legitamate birdie chances she gave herself. So yes her tee to green game was excellent at that event.
04/30/07 @ 20:55
Comment from: putt4par [Visitor] Email
Hey Timmy, do you remember this Headline?
"Is Augusta ready for a 14-year-old Asian,a girl no less?"

You were already beating up on the kid long before you manufactured your "Hype" theory of realtivity according to Tim McDonald.

Can you say your prejudice is showing a bit and that was even before all the hype.

Apparently it made no difference to your prjudice that the above mentioned asian was American born.

Something like the Nancy Kwan story headline that said Asian beats american in figure skating.( Wasn't Ms Kwan born in the pacific Northwest of the Grand old US of A? ) There is a caste system alive and well in america and all your denials of racism are so much bs.

Alex seems to be a charter member.
04/30/07 @ 21:04
Comment from: Judge Smails [Visitor] Email
Stanley,

Are you trying to ruin Shanks' reputation now? When you posted under his name, I thought he had taken a stupid pill.
04/30/07 @ 21:51
Comment from: Stanley [Visitor] Email
putt4par,
The headline story you quoted by Tim is a disgrace:
"Is Augusta ready for a 14-year-old Asian,a girl no less?"

WTF?
Firstly she is an American girl, so it's a simple incorrect headline, but if someone were Asian what would that have to do with anything when relating to golf?
05/01/07 @ 08:42
Comment from: putt4par [Visitor] Email
Kind of tells you how Tim really feels about the Wies.
I suspect Alex and his horde of iffy friends have the same problem but aren't gutsy enough to admit their prejudice.

Oh, and btw, it should have been Michelle Kwan, not Nancy and she was born in California.
05/01/07 @ 08:59
Comment from: Ford [Visitor] Email
"I suspect Alex and his horde of iffy friends have the same problem but aren't gutsy enough to admit their prejudice."

I guess this was inevitable. You can not intelligently argue that Michelle has lived up to expectations, so the tired old charge of racism is all that's left. Get back to me when Michelle wins something and you have a leg to stand on, but until then keep your trap shut.

05/01/07 @ 09:19
Comment from: Jim C [Visitor] Email
Just what we need--a talent evaluation of Michelle Wie by someone who thought Peyton Manning wasn't as good as good as Ryan Leaf. And that evaluation was presumeably made when they were over 20.
05/01/07 @ 10:09
Comment from: putt4par [Visitor] Email
ROFLMAO... Hi Ford

Yeah, you are one of the suspects.

Speaking of intelligence, do you have any? I mean, don't let fact or logic stand in the way of your obvious stupidity.

Fact: Not one (1) person has won an LPGA title before reaching the age of 18 years, 9 months and (X) days.Not your darling little princeses or even your usual golf champions like Webb and Sorenstam

And yet you demand that she be an instant winner. *snicker*- You are obviously deluded, crazy or just too dumb to understand that the whole hype thing is fabricated by the media gurus that you are sucking up to.

So, might I suggest you take your own advice and shut up till she passes the obvious age of 18+ years and then you can sound off.
Oh, and have a great day Ford.
05/01/07 @ 10:12
Comment from: Alex [Visitor] Email
Ford,

It appears that our friend putt4par has gone off the deep end.

Where once he was mildly amusing, he now hehas nothing but vitriolic rancor in his repertory.

If that's what being a Wie Warrior does to a person, I can thank Divine Providence that I don't have the Wie affliction.
05/01/07 @ 10:27
Comment from: putt4par [Visitor] Email
What's the matter Alex? Am I starting to sound too much like you?


Jeez, Michelle Wie has done enough dumb things that you all can rightfully bellyache about but her lack of LPGA titles is not or shouldn't be an issue until she reaches 18yrs and (x) months and (x)days.
So yeah, you all are stupid to even be yapping about it.
In your case, your steady rant and derogatory names for MW for the past year + earns you the suspicion of prejudice other than gender bias.

Vitriolic rancor.... Now that's a good one Alex. You recognize yourself do you? Kind of sounds like a lot of your daily rants.
05/01/07 @ 10:49
Comment from: Stanley [Visitor] Email
Putt4par,
The racist comments are a waste of time. It's obvious Alex, Tim and others do not like Michelle Wie.
Whatever there motivations for this dislike are unimportant.

Something I find funny is that these people think a girl who doesn't win from 13 to 16 on the lpga tour with limited exemptions is a failure for not having won in that time period. What kind of logic could say that when nobody else won under 18 years 9 months old as you have already said.
05/01/07 @ 11:33
Comment from: June [Visitor] Email
Ding, ding, ding.... the sound of Tim making $$$$ off Michelle's name.


Ding, Ding, Ding...
05/01/07 @ 11:46
Comment from: putt4par [Visitor] Email
Yeah, it's sad but true.

As for motivation. For the Bloggers, it's money. For the Alexs and Smails and Fords of the world??? Who knows!
As we can see from Tims article that I mentioned, he was already kicking the kid before the Hype had even begun. Same with Baldwin.
Of course we can only surmise that Baldy has a lech for Paula but that is legit now that she is past voting age. Not sure how legal it is but what the heck.

Alex??? he is supposedly a lawyer... Now those folks need no reason for being kooks. They just start out that way.


05/01/07 @ 11:56
Comment from: Judge Smails [Visitor] Email
putt4par,

I'm going to put this in simple terms. Let's say there is a frog race, and a new entrant is thrust into the fray. Now, let's say the supporters of this creature are extremely zealous and enthusiastic and insist that it is not actually a frog but the most spectacular greyhound ever, one that will lap the field and go on to win races against thoroughbred horses. Let's now say that some time has elapsed and the creature has been unable to beat even the frogs, never mind the the grand equines. Putt4par, don't you think that you might want to point out to those who wear greyhound-colored glasses that their idol has fallen far short of what would be expected of such a "superior creature"? And remember, these are expectations that its supporters established for it.

Face it, you thought Bubbles would not just be chief frog in a little pond, but the best greyhound ever. And now it seems as if she's just a rather large toad.

Maybe the princess was kissed by fate and turned into a frog.
05/01/07 @ 12:26
Comment from: putt4par [Visitor] Email
Obviously you've been kissing too man froggy butts, Smails. Your analogy ranks right up there with your view of the pitty-pat tour and women in general.
Nuff said.
05/01/07 @ 12:32
Comment from: Jim C [Visitor] Email
I don't know anyone ever claimed that Michelle Wie would be the greatest golfer ever. Michelle Wie has not had a plan to erase Tiger from the record book like the plan Tiger had with regard to Jack. The predictions for men's Major Championships by a woman were made on behalf of Paula Creamer by Ronnie.

Wie supporters talked about how Michelle Wie could be competitive some day on the PGA--meaning top 10 on the leaderboard sometime on a Sunday, when everything goes her way. That certainly seems possible.

I predicted at least two Major wins last year for Wie. In that I was mistaken, but she did finish within 2 strokes of the lead in her first 5 stroke play events last year, including 3 Majors and the Evian. She had the best scoring average over all 4 Majors last year. And it was the Wie supporters who were clearly correct with the prediction that Wie would outperform Paula Creamer and Morgan Pressel head to head in 2006, while the Wie critics were wrong on both counts.

05/01/07 @ 13:07
Comment from: Stanley [Visitor] Email
Judge Smails said:
"don't you think that you might want to point out to those who wear greyhound-colored glasses that their idol has fallen far short of what would be expected of such a "superior creature"? "
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Judge,
She has not fallen short of any expectations, apart from maybe your own.

If you read any of the predictions I had put forward for her I had predicted that she could have a good chance for a pga tour card from about 25 to 29 years of age. There is a lot of golf between 17 and 25, so the ridiculous predictions you are talking about of her being in contention to win on the pga tour at 16 are just nonsense. She may well be in contention for wins later, but no realistic person would have predicted it would happen before she turned 17.

As regards the lpga tour, she is well ahead of schedule. She has achieved far more than any other player up to turning 17 on the lpga tour.
05/01/07 @ 13:35
Comment from: putt4par [Visitor] Email
Stanley, you and Jim C keep trying to use logic on the comedy duo of Smuts and Ale ( yuck, sounds like a smarmy drink of some kind)

Neither one of them has a passing aquaintence with logic, all they can come up with is frog fantasys and greyhounds.
05/01/07 @ 14:26
Comment from: Stanley [Visitor] Email
Hey Alex,

Remember when you were saying you thought Wie wouldn't play in 2007.
Then you changed it to she might only play 3 or 4 events.

Well she has confirmed that she is playing The Canadian Open Aug 16, and that suggests that she is likely to play a full schedule for a non-member of 8 lpga events.
05/01/07 @ 20:57
Comment from: Alex [Visitor] Email
Stanley,

Please don't assume that I said any such thing. I did say that she MIGHT not play in 2007, and thus far she hasn't.(On the LPGA tour, that is.)

Remember, Stanley, she has to win one of her potential starts for your dream to come true.

Also, she has to make a cut on the PGA, European, or Japan tours before the end of 2008 for the other half of your dream to be realized.

There is some possibilty that she might get a win, albeit a small one, since she may try to wangle exemptions to lower level events, like she has received from the Canadian Women's Open. She may even try the European Women's tour where the competition is often third rate.

As far as any of the three men's tours and making any cuts, Bubbles' chances are slim and none.

She has demonstrated that she can't even make a cut at the Sony on a course with which she is familiar, a short and relatively level layout. The 84 Lumber won't be played this year or next. The John Deere seems well beyond her reach. The officials of the European PGA tour have pointedly asked the sponsors to refrain from extending an exemption to Bubbles so as to spare her the embarrassment of another double-digit missed cut. She was 17 over par for two rounds at the last Casio, with 15 bogeys, one double bogey, and zero birdies, so I can't imagine her getting another sponsors' exemption to that event.

Stanley, all this poor play occurred BEFORE her spate of "injuries." She will have gone five months without any competitive golf.

Her game would need a jump start, a quantum leap unprecedented for any of your predictions to be realized

But if you stick by your predictions, you'll have my admiration for being a man of conviction. I personally don't see how any of that will happen.
05/02/07 @ 08:36
Comment from: Stanley [Visitor] Email
Alex said:
"There is some possibilty that she might get a win, albeit a small one, since she may try to wangle exemptions to lower level events, like she has received from the Canadian Women's Open."
________________________


Alex,
I appreciate that you have little interest in the lpga tour, but if you don't know the info, please don't comment on things you don't know about. The Canadian Womens Open is not a lower tier event. It is one of the premier events on the lpga tour. They have pumped huge money into it to attract the top players.

It has a prize money of 2.25 million, which is more than The Kraft Nabisco has.

The only events that offer more prize money than it are The US Womens Open, Evian Masters and the two Ginn Tournaments.
So The Canadian Open has the 5th highest prize money of any lpga event on the 2007 calander, so obviously it is not a lower tier event, and obviously it will attract the top players.
05/02/07 @ 08:53
Comment from: Alex [Visitor] Email
Stanley,

Please read more carefully.

I NEVER wrote nor did I imply that the Canadian Women's Open was a lower level event.

My observation was and is that Bubbles may try to wangle exemptions to some lower level events on the European women's tour. Please note the clarification.
05/02/07 @ 09:11
Comment from: Stanley [Visitor] Email
Alex read what you wrote:

"since she may try to wangle exemptions to lower level events, like she has received from the Canadian Women's Open. "

That suggested that the Candian Womens Open were a lower level event. In fairness you did go on to mention the European Tour after that as a third rate tour.

And by the way, what do you mean by wangle exemptions?
wangle = To use indirect, tricky, or fraudulent methods.

Given that the tournaments are falling over themselves trying to get her in their field, she wouldn't have to wangle any exemptions.
05/02/07 @ 09:42
Comment from: Alex [Visitor] Email
Stanley,

What part of "please note the clarification" is so difficult to understand?

Since semantics are so very important to you, substitute any word you choose for "wangle."

Far more important, what is your take on the possibility of any of you grandiose predictions concerning Bubbles coming true by the ends of 2007 and 2008?
05/02/07 @ 10:22
Comment from: putt4par [Visitor] Email
Stanley, don't bother trying to infuse logic into these blogs.

Ale and Smuts do not have any concept of the meaning of logic. It isn't in their vocabulary. They both seem to live in their own little fantasy world peopled by frogs ad greyhounds with the occasional horse thrown in by Ale.
As for clarefication... Hmmm, 10 out of 10 people that I asked about Ale's comment on the Canadian open, agreed that he implied it was second rate.
Now maybe the fact that they were all Canadians, may have given the question a biased answer.
05/02/07 @ 10:45
Comment from: Alex [Visitor] Email
putt4par,

I wasn't aware that orderlies at your asylum allow ten people to congregate in one place
05/02/07 @ 13:01
Comment from: Alex [Visitor] Email
putt4par,

Speaking of horses, your posts of late seem to be emanating from the north end of a southbound horse.
05/02/07 @ 13:07
Comment from: putt4par [Visitor] Email
Those rules only apply in your asylum, Ale. As for where you are headed Vis a' Vis the horse, I submit to you that you are already a road-apple.
05/02/07 @ 13:12
Comment from: Alex [Visitor] Email
putt4par,

I see that you're still having trouble thinking up your own material
05/02/07 @ 13:25
Comment from: Stanley [Visitor] Email
Alex asked:
Far more important, what is your take on the possibility of any of you grandiose predictions concerning Bubbles coming true by the ends of 2007 and 2008?
__________

Excellent chance on both accounts.
05/02/07 @ 13:44
Comment from: Alex [Visitor] Email
Stanley,

Do you really think so? Well,as I said, congratulations on be a man of your convictions. When you find the time, give a little insight as to why you are so sure that Bubbles will begin her victory and made-cut string.

putt4par,

Other posters are probably getting tired of our nonsense. We should probably quit it. I'm willing to stop if you are.
05/02/07 @ 13:53
Comment from: Stanley [Visitor] Email
Alex,
Fair play for offering to end that particular battle, hopefully putt4parr will react in kind.
05/02/07 @ 16:29
Comment from: Ford [Visitor] Email
You guys seem to be engaging insome revisionist history. Michelle's detractors did not set the bar too high for Michelle; Michelle did that all by herself when she brazenly claimed that once she dominated the women's tour she would perhaps, "play lefthanded" just to level the playing field against the women. When she embarked on her ill-fated attempts to mplay against the men and one day not only compete, but even win on the PGA tour she set the standard to wich she is now currently judged. It is her goal to play and contend in the Masters not mine for her. 60 Minutes, Golf Digest writers such as Ron Sirak, Nike, Omega and the rest of her sponsers and countless bloggers on this site and her fans around the world are the people who created the hype and are now engaging in a mad scramble to place the blame elsewhere. The reality is that she is a solid contender on the LPGA nothing more nothing less this is not an insult, just the facts. If you want to scale back expectations that's fine, but you can't have it both ways. You can not claim that she is the next coming of Tiger Woods and the savior of golf in one breath while crying foul at the unreasonable expectations with the next. So are we to now judge her against the Paula Creamers and Morgan Pressel's of the golf world or are we to still hold her to the original standard of greatest thing since sliced bread? 3 years ago nobody was concerned about her becoming the youngest winner in the history of the LPGA tour, now with each passing day this goal seems more in jeopardy. I guess we will have a long wait for her coronation as a Master's champion.
05/02/07 @ 16:31
Comment from: Stanley [Visitor] Email
Alex,
On your question of why am I confident in my predictions.

Well in lpga events Michelle has got better each year on the lpga tour. Hopefully 2007 continues that trend and then a win should be very likely.

In the 2007 Sony her game looked very good apart from the horrendous driving. She looked to have really sharpened her short game.
Also in her time off with injury she was only allowed to practice putting and chipping for a good period of time. This could actually turn out to have been very useful, as if her short game is improved further, then if she drives it any ways decent, she should score well on any course.
05/02/07 @ 16:36
Comment from: Alex [Visitor] Email
Stanley,

OK my friend, I see that you are true believer.

Let me see if I have the right take on you reasons for believing the way you do.

You think that Bubbles will score well on any course, and probably make a cut on one of the major men's tours, and you're excellent play and really sharpened short game as reasons for your optimism. And this vastly improved game was demonstrated in the 2007 Sony?

Excuse me but didn't Bubbles miss the cut there by 14 strokes?

I guess you also believe that a five month absence from competition will have nothing but a positive influence on her game.

Well, Stanley, like I said , you are an eternal optimist as far as Bubbles is concerned. I admire you for your blind faith even though I can't agree with it.
05/02/07 @ 17:45
Comment from: putt4par [Visitor] Email
K Alex. Truce, lol
05/02/07 @ 18:12
Comment from: putt4par [Visitor] Email
Jeez, ford, that run on mish mash is a bitch to follow.
Ever heard of enter and sapcebar?
05/02/07 @ 18:41
Comment from: putt4par [Visitor] Email
Oops, That should read spacebar but I'm sure you get the drift.
05/02/07 @ 18:42
Comment from: Art [Visitor] Email
Does Vegas have a line on Michelle Winning an LPGA event???
05/03/07 @ 03:20
Comment from: Alex [Visitor] Email
Art,

I was in Reno a few weeks ago.

The largest sports book there, the one at the Silver Legacy, had a futures book going on the US Open, the Open, and the PGA. Also, some prop bets available on the Players.

The guy behind the desk said that they never have any lines and therefore no action on anything LPGA.

Maybe the sportsbook at the Las Vegas Hilton might have something on Bubbles. I'll give them a call later when they open up. Time difference, you know.
05/03/07 @ 07:05
Comment from: Jim C [Visitor] Email
In answer to Ford.

1)I do not bellieve Michelle Wie talked about playing lefthanded against women.

2)Any criticism of Michelle Wie for her arrogance in playing agsinst the men applies to Paula Creamer as well since Paula said she would first take over number one from Annika and then play against the men. At least Michelle puts her clubs where her mouth is.

3)I believe Morgan Pressel has changed for the better, but she certainly put herself in a position to be judged by the same standards as Michelle Wie(except for the men's game)with her SI comments complaining there was too little focus on Michelle Wie's final round of 82, as well as a number of other comments since then.

4)People like Chris Baldwin loudly proclaim that Paula Creamer and Morgan Pressel are better than Michelle Wie.

5)As far as the Master's Championship is concerned, I think you are confusing Michelle Wie with Paula Creamer. The prediction of a win in a men's Major was made with regard to Ronnie on behalf of Paula Creamer, and apparently Ronnie is serious about his prediction.
05/03/07 @ 10:38
Comment from: Alex [Visitor] Email
Jim C,

My friend, your last definitely is revisionist history.
05/03/07 @ 11:32
Comment from: Alex [Visitor] Email
Art,

I spoke by telephone to the sports book managers of the LV Hilton, Caesar's, and the Bellagio.

None have any sort of line going on Wie or the LPGA.

Chuck Esposito at Caesar's said they might have a line on the Women's US Open Championship if there is a moderate amount of interest shown in it
05/03/07 @ 13:52
Comment from: Norman [Visitor] Email
How's it going Alex? Are you keeping well?
Good points Jim C. Glad you are keeping up the good work.
Hope Alex is behaving well.
05/03/07 @ 14:25
Comment from: Ford [Visitor] Email
http://www.golfdigest.com/features/index.ssf?/features/gd200408myshot.html

This article provides the quote about Michelle getting bored and playing golf left handed. It is not said in the context of playing against women--Just an overall arrogant comment in general.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/04/07/60minutes/main610802.shtml

This is the link to the 60 minutes interview in which Michelle talks about not only playing in the Master's, but actually winning. Also look for the comments about men's fragile ego's--particualry charming.

Jim C--I did not imagine these comments or the hysteria that engulfed Michelle mania a few years ago. Michelle and her handlers have been responsible for the hype and subsequently the impossible expectations placed upon her. Why is it so hard for you and others to admit that you were swept up in the hysteria and promised a product who could not possibly deliver the goods. On a positve note it is nice to see that team Wie have finally seen the light(for now at least)and are putting a halt to her PGA tour aspirations. This is a good, if not belated start to putting her career back on track and a strong endorsement of the learning to win first theory, a theory which "idiots" like Alex, Smails and I have long subscribed to--Oh yeah and another "idiot" named Tiger has long be a fan of this career track as well.
05/03/07 @ 16:22
Comment from: putt4par [Visitor] Email
Ford....
For cripes sake, everyone needs to get a grip

That was a 14 year old kid talking. Jeez, I'll bet some things you said you were even dumber than that at 14 .

You all take the things heard in those media dog and pony shows, way to seriously.

For pete's sake, you hear adults make goofier statements than that. God, your president is famous for stupid things he's said. And you continue to kick MW for something she said at 14?

Oh, and you say Wie and her handlers are responsible for the hype? Just who are the jackasses behind the mikes in those shows? Do you think that the Wies need to create hype when your media buds like Baldwin go out of their way to create the frenzy yo all feed on?

Nope, they aren't doing it by themselves.And you continually posting about those comments from 3 years ago, feed the hype as well. It doesn't help that McDonald and Baldwin deliberatly use inflammatory headings to stir up controversy to garner more hits.



05/03/07 @ 17:35
Comment from: Norman [Visitor] Email
Putt4par,
Thank you. You have said much of what I was going to say.

I find it difficult to believe that Ford submitted as evidence, comments that Michelle made as a 14 year old and accused her of being arrogant and all the rest of it.
Come on. She was 14. You are really accusing a 14 year old of being arrogant? Cop on.
05/03/07 @ 20:05
Comment from: Ford [Visitor] Email
Putt4Parr--You asked for the quote so I provided it. Nobody is kicking anybody over her youthful boasting. I am simply using documented history to back up a point. To refresh your memory the point was simply that Michelle, B.J. and the rest of the Wie clan, as well as her fans are at least partially if not mostly responsible for the hysteria which has come to symbolize Wie's accomplishemnt's(or lack therof). Of course the media fanned the flames with greatly exagerated tales of her prowess, power and skill, but they had to get the stories from somewhere. I didn't hear Michelle refuting any of the medias claims that she could hit the ball consistently over 300 yards--A fact we now know to be untrue. People wanted a hero, she claimed to be larger than life and people bought into it. What a shame for her she's just really, really good and not the second coming. I'm not sure there is any need to discuss the issue further. Michelle has cried uncle for the time being with regard to playing with the boys and as I said 3 years ago this is a smart move. I questioned her ability to win 3 yaers ago just as I question it now and overall I feel that as solid as her performances have been onthe LPGA they would have been better had she followed a more traditional junior/amateur approach. So far my predictions have been accurate and my questions and concerns regarding Michelle have not been answered. I will check back in a couple of years and we can revist these debates, but for now it's Wie detractors 1 Wie Warriors 0(a number you guys and Michelle should be very familiar with.
05/03/07 @ 20:09
Comment from: putt4par [Visitor] Email
Nope, I never asked for the quote. Maybe Jim C or Stanley did.

Your post was just too crappy to read, so I just looked at the first sentence.

Anything else is usually more of the same that we get from, Alex, Judge Smails, Smudge and a bunch of others with time on their hands and access to a keyboard along with a connection to the internet.

Now, go take some lessons in composition or at least get someone to teach you how to use the Enter key and the spacebar. Your dispatches are crappy looking messes.
05/03/07 @ 22:34
Comment from: Ford [Visitor] Email
putt4parr--That certainly was a condescending reply. You were right about a couple of things; Jim C. did indeed ask for the quote and my writing really isn't very good. To date, however my assesment of Michelle Wie and her game has been spot on, so let's try to stay on topic and leave the writing critques out of it.
05/04/07 @ 12:04
Comment from: Jim C [Visitor] Email
First Ford qoute.

Michelle's detractors did not set the bar too high for Michelle; Michelle did that all by herself when she brazenly claimed that omce she dominated the women's tour she would perhaps "play lefthanded" just to level the playing field against the women.

Later Ford tells us it was simply a matter of Michelle Wie getting bored and practicing shooting lefthanded as a change of pace. Since a golf shot can sometimes be far easier from one side than the other this actually seems like a good idea.
05/04/07 @ 12:12
Comment from: Jim C [Visitor] Email
We do not know how Michelle Wie would have done if she had played more amateur/junior golf. What other golfer ever played in the final three and finished in the top 10 of the Nabisco/Kraft Nabisco? If there were another golfer who did what Michelle Wie did as a 13 year old and who followed a more convential path, then perhaps we would have some idea of how it would have been for Michelle Wie if she had followed such a path? As it so happens there was one other golfer who did what Michelle Wie did on the LPGA as a 13 year old and who did follow a more convential path: Aree Song.
05/04/07 @ 13:05
Comment from: Ford [Visitor] Email
Major winner Morgan Pressel also comes to mind, as does 3 time LPGA tour winer Paula Creamer and on the men's side Tiger Woods.
05/05/07 @ 15:03
Comment from: Norman [Visitor] Email
Ford,
Jim said that Wie and Aree Song were the only ones to achieve such results at age 13 on the LPGA tour.
Paula Creamer didn't play on the lpga tour as a 13 year old, did she?
Morgan Pressel did play the US Womens Open, but she missed the cut, and that's much different to the 9th Wie got at 13 at the Kraft Nabisco.
05/05/07 @ 18:09
Comment from: Joe Cool [Visitor] Email
MICHELLE'S BIGGEST DEMON IS IN THAT SIX INCH SPACE BETWEEN HER EARS. ONCE THAT PART OF HER GAME IS UNDER CONTROL, THEN LOOK OUT LPGA.
05/17/07 @ 22:35
Comment from: Judge Smails [Visitor] Email
Joe,

I would think that characterizing it as a "space" is quite apropos.
05/18/07 @ 12:16

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