Where Michelle Wie goes, so go her parents, even to college.
When I left for college, I pulled out of my driveway in a 1950 Ford loaded with a single suitcase, a six-pack of Schlitz and a yearning to get real smart.
My parents waved goodbye from the yard. I didn’t exactly become a man, but it was a start.
Stanford student Michelle Wie’s parents have bought a house in Menlo Park, next to the Stanford campus, reports Brian Hewitt of The Golf Channel.
They are also “regular accompanying” Michelle to daily, two-hour practice sessions at the Stanford driving range, Hewitt says, citing unnamed sources.
I thought the whole idea was to get away from those blood-suckers and live a normal, college life.
Plus, shouldn’t she be studying?
Wie can use the “varsity” area of the range, but only when varsity players aren’t there. NCAA rules restrict here from having any contact with players, during formal practice sessions, on the team, which of course she is not a part of, being a pro.
She is living in a dorm, but I hardly think she can be living a normal college life with Mom and Dad hovering.
Plus, isn’t it a little silly to be going to college when she could be making millions on the LPGA Tour? Maybe, maybe not. I’m still up in the air on that one.
Not much this girl does makes much sense, especially with B.J apparently still calling the shots.
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You must not have gotten the memo from One-Putt and others.
According to these fellows, BJ and Bo wouldn't be there if it were not the expressed desire of Bubbles.
She alone calls the shots, and she even negotiated all the provisions of her contracts with Nike and Sony.
I know it's hard to believe, but that is the word from O-P and he surely knows.
It also seems strange that Bubbles can find time to practice two hours per day under the watchful eyes of BJ and Bo, and can undergo this regimen while ostensibly attending college, but she couldn't find it in her schedule to enter the LPGA qualifying tournament BEFORE classes started at Stanford.
Incidentally, the Florida segment of the LPGA "Q" school is going on right now sans Bubbles.
She will have the excuse that she just couldn't get time off from her classes for something so mundane as "Q" school.
Let's see if she finds it in her best interests to blow off her studies at Stanford next week when she is supposed to start at the Samsung near Palm Springs.
ps Ford, If you read this or if someone else does, email me at C4tscanner@yahoo.com (or the address that this blog has and I will gladly send the lottery ticket you so fairly won.
][pss My daughter passes along her prayers to Ms Wie and still thanks her for her inspiration (she is now on the jv golf team at her high school) later .....Florida Mike
Finally, a long awaited Wie blog. I agree with you Florida Mike, she should be left alone to some degree by her parents as she is now a young adult. Thats probably not going to happen anytime soon though as her folks seem pretty persistent.
I would rather talk about her game than her personal life though, and am wondering how she will do at the Samsung. This is the one tournament that a WD that she has posted a few times this year would actually be appropriate.
We shall see.
How do you think that Michelle will be able to improve her competitive golf game?
She hasn't qualified for any of the majors on the LPGA, and her career against men is probably over.
Do you think that playing six events in a year on sponsors' exemptions will hack it?
Or will she attempt the Ladies' European Tour?
How will she do any of these things and still go to college full time?
You're one of her staunch supporters. Got any answers?
Alex
How many top 5s in majors did you have at this stage? How much money were your worth? How famous were you?
Sorry, but your excursion to college is not comparible at all.
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2 hours of practice leaves plenty of study time. She should be doing more practice.
My net worth was about $150 -- the re-sale value of my Ford -- roughly the same as it is today.
I was more infamous than famous, at least among my peers, but I was honest and forthright and not a phony.
You are right. She should quit Stanford. Hopefully she will realise that she would be better off playing full-time golf.
The main reason that you and your fellow Wie-bashers don't want her parents near her is that you want her to fail miserably.
Nearly every top athlete has strong parent or guardian figures.
Paula Creamer still lives with her parents. Even when she moved house and bought her own house, her parents moved in with her. They travel everywhere with her and when they book in a hotels, she sleeps in an adjoining room to them.
Wie doesn't need to get away from her parents, and just because she decided to go to college does not mean that she should seperate from her parents, given that the other young girls on tour like Pressel, Creamer, and Granada have parents or guardians with them all the time.
They didn't go to college and didn't have that seperation from their parents, and the lack of that has not done them any harm at all.
If anything, just sleeping in a dorm some nights means that Wie would already have had more independance than Creamer, Pressel and Granada put together.
Her parents living in the same town as her doesn't change that.
Glad to hear that you're still extant.
Since you're in the golf business and quite astute at such matters, perhaps you can answer this question.
How will Bubbles get to play in any of the LPGA majors in 2008?
One more: If Bubbles ever gets married, will you think that it's all right for Bo and BJ to go along on the honeymoon?
Question 1: They will probably give her exemptions to the 2008 majors based on her qualifying in 2007 but being injured. That will be the story, the real reason will be because she is still a big draw in the game and the lpga can do with any draw they can get.
Question 2: No it wouldn't be okay for her parents to go on honeymoon with her. However, spending time with and helping their 17 or 18 year old daughter to practice, just like Creamer and all the other girls, nothing wrong with that.
Two questions for you Alex:
1. Would you accept that if Michelle has stayed in a dorm room for any night, that means that she has more experience living away from home than 21 year old Paula Creamer.
2. Do you think that Paula Creamer, Julieta Granada and all the other girls who have never lived away from their parents have suffered any psychological long term damage?
Thanks in advance for your answers.
Your questions are difficult to answer as we are not really up to date with Paula and Julieta's hotel room arrangements and other personal matters. The article discussed Bubbles folks relocating to a location in close proximity to her dorm room. If that is accurate, yes, that is a little strange. I don't think traveling on the tour with your daughter is the comparable to going to college with her. At some point, usually college for most of us, it is time to be on your own.
Bubbles is still a "big draw" in the game?
Surely you jest!
On a different note, when do you think Bubbles will get that "for certain" win that you have predicted for her in 2008?
Since she can only get six exemptions in a year to LPGA events, and you believe that she will be granred exemptions to all the majors, which major do you figure she will win NEXT YEAR?
Somewhere I read that BJ Wie was a professor at University of Hawaii, a man with a PhD, and that Bo was a successful real estate agent in Hawaii.
What has happened to their careers? Have they packed it in and are they living off Bubbles' ill-gotten gain?
Stanley, inquiring minds want to know. You seem to have all the answers, how about it?
Morgan, Julieta and Paula never went to college and were never on their own. Have they suffered from not being on their own?
By the way, there was an article about Paula when she was 19 and her parents said that they always travelled with her, but they tried to get hotel rooms where she would be in the adjoining connected room to them, so that she could have more privacy.
Since they said they tried, that suggests that sometimes they failed and she was in the same room as them.
That was when Paula was 19, Wie isn't even 18 yet.
So dress it up whatever way you want, if Wie stayed in a dorm room, and her parents were in the same town, then that is much more independance for her than Paula Creamer has had at 21 and that is a fact.
I asked you 2 questions and you didn't answer either.
Don't expect me to answer your questions unless you answer those 2 questions.
Sorry about that Big Stan, I didn't mean to snub you.
Sure Morgan, Julieta, and Paula have been irreparably harmed by their domineering parents. The harm is obvious in their meager results on the LPGA tour.
After all, what have these thre underachievers accomplished?
Paula may have five worlswide wins and over $1M won this year, but so what? She still hasn't won a major
As for Morgan, she may have won a major, but that's all she's won.
Maybe she does have a lot of good finishes this year and close to a million on the money list, but has she ever stayed in a dormitory? No!
And as for Julieta, one measly million dollar victory! Who really cares?
Bubbles' mystique transcends such mundane accomplishments. And that's because unlike these other three waifs, she has caring parents who let her make all her own decisions while still be careful to watch her every move as she goes to college. Why, they have even sacrificed their own successful careers to safeguard their daughter and her bank account.
Paula, Morgan, and Julieta wish they had such caring parents.
I am aware that Paula and Morgan did not attend college (yet). (By the way, Morgan is a poor example to use in this discussion as her mother has passed.) I was just making the point that traveling with your daughter to LPGA events is different from relocating your primary residence to a location adjacent to your daughter's dorm building. I would guess that if Paula decided to attend college, her folks would not relocate to watch over her.
"I would guess that if Paula decided to attend college, her folks would not relocate to watch over her. "
Well Lance, they have already moved their house, firstly they all moved down to a Leadbetter academy which was fair enough because she was still young, but more recently when she was 20, she bought a new house, and they again moved with her.
I don't think there is anything wrong with this, I am merely pointing out the hypocricy where you think it is okay for a 21 year old girl to have her parents with her in the same house every step of the way but you think it not okay for a 17 or 18 year old girl to have her parents in the same town as her. Could it be just the people involved who affect your opinion?
Thanks for answering the question.
As you said in a rather sarcastic way, Paula and Julieta have not been damaged by having their parents by their sides every step of the way.
Stanley is from Ireland, and so may not be acquainted with customs as the exist in the USA. So I will attempt to elucidate for the edification of Stanley.
On this side of the pond, Stanley, it is not only customary, it is practically mandatory, that young people, after graduating from highschool, leave the home of their parents and attend college by themselves and in the company of their peers. It is considered almost as a rite of passage, the first attempt to "launch."
And this custom has no bearing on the social status, or the wealth or lack thereof of the young person.
Virtually all young college students prefer to be on their own, away from their doting parents.
I attended and graduated from U. of Mich. more than 40 years ago. In several of my classes were students of great financial means from presigious families, of wealth far, far greater than anything Bubbles has ever seen.
None of them ever had parents that relocated to be in close proximity to their son or daughter. In fact, had any of them been subjected to such an attempt at coddling, he or she would have been embarrassed if not mortified to the point of humiliation.
My five children, two sons and three daughters, all attended and graduated from college. While we visited their campuses a few times each year, it somehow didn't occur to my wife and I that we should sell our house and by one next to a college dormitory. Somehow I don't think the kids would have appreciated such a move on our part.
I've known hundreds of people from various walks of life who have had kids attending college far from home. None have ever relocated to be near a college freshman. Two younger members of our firm have daughters who just started college this August at institutions far from home in other states. They laughed out loud when I showed them your post.
They both said their daughters would never forgive them if they pulled such a stunt. But if BJ and Bo want to continue to stifle their child's abilities, it's up to them.
I hope this has cleared up any misconceptions you may have had concerning American customs.
Alex
By the way, the subject of Tim's blog was BJ and Bo following Bubbles to California from Hawaii.
Nowhere did he mention Paula, Julieta, or Morgan.
Good clarification!!
Stanley,
It appears that you know more about the personal lives of some of these other golfers than I do. So I can not comment further on the parenting issue.
On to the Samsung. Stanley, we have a field of 19 of the best female golfers in the world.......and Bubbles...... who has missed three consecutive cuts, two WDs, and slid to 50th (from 2nd) in the Rolex rankings. How do you think she will do?
I think she will come in at 18th.
Look forward to watching,
LR
Once again you have tried to fudge the issue. What happened to this rite of passage or launch when it came to Paula Creamer?
She is 21 years old and has not yet launched. So you are saying that if somebody chooses to go to college, then they should launch. However if they don't go to college then it is perfectly fine for them to stay with their parents all the time, whether they are 18, 19, 20, 21 or even older.
Let's clarify again. As long as Paula Creamer decides not to go to college, then she can stay with her parents until she is 25, maybe 30 or 35 and that's fine.
Now Alex, if you want to get down the the nitty gritty of the situation and Michelle's situation at Stanford, the fact of the matter is that she is not a normal college student. She is a professional golfer who decided to go to college. That professional word means that golf is her job and she has responsibilites in relation to that job. Therefore her primary focus is not on the college itself but outside the college.
For the vast majority of golfers who go to college, they are amateurs and they play with the college teams. That means that although they play golf, their focus is on golf within the college. And even with their golf they are just amateurs anyway so they have no responsibilities to anyone. Michelle's situation is different, and it is right that her parent's / trainers help her out with her extra responsibilities, given that her actual job is outside the college itself and the college part is merely a bit part.
Are you getting it yet Alex. For most students, the college part is the big part of their focus, but it is different for a pro golfer, one who cannot train with the team, cannot practice while the team are practicing and can't have interaction with them.
And as a Freshman she can't even have a car on campus to drive her to the course, which makes her parents proximety all the better.
I think she will come in 20th, her best placing of the 2007 season and a great victory. LOL.
As I said before, Paula Creamer, her age, her family situation, and where she resides are not in any way subjects of this thread. Do you get it now, Stanley?
Your most recent post is quite funny, but at the same time it is dripping with irony.
On one hand, she is a consummate professional to whom college attendance is a mere sidelight and an inconvenience.
On the other hand, she is a freshman who can't have a car on campus, so it's good to have her parents on hand as chauffeurs.
Stanley, please don't ever change. The entertainment your posts provide is priceless.
Things must really be grim for the Wie Warriors when you, as Wie-wee numero uno, predict she will finish dead last in the Samsung.
One positive outlook for the Wiebots is that if Bubbles actually does tee it up at the Samsung, she won't miss another cut, and she will be assured of having her highest finish by 49 placings.
Paula Creamer is very relevant to the discussion. As far as I know, Paula is a well adjusted person, despite having the indignity of living with her parents!
I don't know what irony you are talking about. I said she is a professional which she is, and that means acting like a professional, as in getting proper practice and other golf related matters.
Nowhere in any manual does it say that a professional works alone. For example Padraig Harrington's wife handles all his travel arrangements. He even commented that on one occasion he was travelling to a tournament and he realised he didn't even know what country it was in. Top level golfers have enough to worry about with their games, instead of worrying about other things.
If any other pressures can be taken off, that is positive and good.
Ah yes, Big Stan! Still the exemplar of the extraneous and the nabob of the non sequitur!
Now you've introduced Padraig and his wife into the mix.
How about Bolivar Shagnasty? Who is he, did I hear you say? Why, he's another guy who lives with his parents. I'm not sure if he;s well-adjusted or schizophrenic. But his mental state is about as relevant to this blog as is Paula's.
Yes, Bubbles is really as busy as a bee, what with her blossoming career.
What did she play in the last year? About a dozen rounds of competitive golf? What a grind!
RESULTS ARE IN.
Stanley - you win the battle.
Alex - you win the war.
Stanley, no doubt you have won the debate re college. She isn't a normal student who packed their bags and went off with anonymity to college. She is not only the most high profile female golfer but she is also professional. And that makes a difference. That makes her different to the other students and your reasoning is sound, that her parents should be close by.
Your examples of other parents, and how some kids don't go to college at all is also valid. Why should a person be insulted for having their parents close at hand if you are not going to insult all those who choose not go to college, or indeed those who live near a college and commute from their home.
So in all these point Stanley wins, but that is just one battle, and in the story of Bubbles, Alex has more laughs. She has been mismanaged from the start, taking on men when she hadn't even mastered competition against the top female players.
And Alex also holds the trump card because of the very fact that Bubbles turned pro.
Pay attention, this is important.
Yes, as Stanley said, the fact that she turned pro makes her need her parents more than most would, yet the fact that she turned pro also means she shouldn't have even considered entering Stanford.
I have known many golfers coming through the ranks, and they make decisions. Some turn pro and others take the college route. That's the decision. YOU ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO DO BOTH.
If an amateur goes to college and plays college golf that is fine. There are many events for them to test their game at, and there is good team practice.
A pro golfer who cannot practice with the team and is at odds there. They just try to practice on their own. So if she really wants to go to college, then yes her parents should be close by, but the fact is, she shouldn't be there.
If she really wanted to go to college, then she should not have turned pro, simple as that.
Don't both BJ and Bo have jobs? Don't they have anything better to do than babysit Bubbles?
In addition, can you name even one famous and rich college student whose parents relocated about 3000 miles to be really close to their child?
Alex
What a bright spark you are.
3,000 miles. You hit the nail on the head without even knowing it.
It has been commented on other boards that Michelle is going to continue to play golf tournaments regularly and she will travel every few weeks from Stanford to play events.
Obviously you would agree that her parents should go to the events with her, so do you honestly think that they should make the 6,000 mile return trip every few weeks, as well as making the trip to where the tournament is after that?
You asked about their jobs. BJ was a university professor. Bo worked in real estate. My guess is they haven't been doing much of their jobs anyway and have instead decided to give up their own jobs in order to be there for their daughter as she goes through major challenges, playing big tournaments and preparing for those tournaments.
It must be nice to be able to quit working and sponge off the ill-gotten gain of your seventeen-year-old daughter. In the neighborhood where I was raised, a father with that intention would be called a four-letter word that begins and ends with the letter "P".
Just what major challenges and big tournaments are in store for Bubbles?
On October 11th MW will be able to start using her trust fund.
Personally, I think it was all about the money from the very beginning with BJ and BO...show me the money!
Why don't you give the definition of a "blog troll?" You brought it up.
Most of the people posting here are quite capable of reading.
Put it out there, big man.
And please, save the tripe about your teenage daughter being inspired by Bubbles.
O.P. doesn't know his arse from his elbow."
Thanks Tim, that is the best prose you have ever written, sans the misspellings or plagiarism. It is also nice to see you and Alex are sharing a pitcher of KoolAid together.
Let me toss this one into the fray:
What would another purpose be for a house located adjacent to the Stanford Campus, other than a home for Mom and Dad?
I'm glad to see that they allow you to use your laptop down at the home.
In case you missed it, the Executive Committee of the Samsung wanted to give Annika a special exemption to their tournament since she is a Hall of Fame member still active in the sport. They figured that since Annika has won 70 LPGA events and ten majors, she would be a welcome addition to the field.
But Annika, also being the consummate professional, graciously declined with an explanation to the effect that she wouldn't want to take a spot from a more deserving player, i.e., one with an LPGA victory in 2007 and/or a higher placing on the money list.
Then we have Bubbles, whose glittering 2007 campaign includes three missed cuts, two withdrawals, and two made cuts where she ended up T69th and a solo 84th, ten shots behind 83rd. Her money won is a little over $9000.
Thus far, she hasn't seen fit to follow Annika's lead and take the high road by pulling out of the Samsung. Her invitation to the Samsung was obviously premature and ill-advised. She will be depriving that spot from Natalie Gulbis, who won her first event at the Evian and has won about 100 times more cash this year than Bubbles.
It would be a class act for Bubbles to follow the example of Annika, a consummate professional, and sportngly withdraw in deference to Natalie.
I, for one, will not hold my breath waiting for such an unlikely show of good sportsmanship from the Wie crowd.
Several other 2007 LPGA winners will also be absent from this supposedly elite field; Juli Inkster, Karrie Webb, Sherri Steinhauer and Meaghan Francella aren't in the field.
It would be an excellent PR move for the entourage of Bubbles if she would graciously withdraw in deference to a better golfer. We shall see if she has the character to do it.
Why, I'll just bet that he could write pages and pages of stuff in the same vain as the above dispatch.
Best you duck now, O-P, the sh*t is incoming.
And you all thought that the old ladies gossip parties were vicious. Make you wonder why Alex and a few of his online co-horts don't get involved in some community work. Maybe take u the cudgel for some real issues instead of this garbage.
Sounds like you're the one who's excited.
Just wanted to know what you birds thought about your darling.
Does she have any or enough of the three C's to do what is obviously correct?
Those three C's are courage, character, and class.
Annika gave her a champion's example. What do you, her loyal fans, think that Bubbles should do?
Oops, make the 16 to 2 now.
So you have no comment, eh?
That's what I thought.
How about you, One-Putt?
Any comment?
LR
putt-putt,
So you have no comment, eh?
I was under the impression that you were commenting for everyone, Alex.
Comment from: Alex [Visitor]
putt-putt,
That's what I thought.
Hmmm, as your comments are rather rhetorical and much the same species as all the rest of your comments, I doubt that you put much "thought" into the subjest.
But carry on Alex, Your posts are sometimes entertaining
The committee invites players on the basis of the following criteria:
The previous year's champion.
The winners of the present year's majors.
The leading money winner/golfer on the Ladies' European Tour.
The remaining golfers are chosen from the money list. The Lee's are sixth and eighteenth on the money list.
A seldom used provision is that on rare occasions, the winner of the US Women's Amateur gets an exemption. This has not happened in about ten years. The committee wanted to extend that exemption to Annika but she graciously declined.
The final freebie is a sponsor's exemption which was prematurely doled out to Bubbles.
Alex
I'm happy that your are sometimes entertained by my posts.
I wish I could say the same for yours.
Thanks for the clarification. I was just a little suprised to see Sarah Lee's name since she has no wins and only five top 10s. She has had a very good year, but I am surprised that she made a field in the top 20. I can not believe that Karrie Webb's name is not in the field.
After reviewing the field, I am sticking with my prediction of 18th place for Bubbles. Putt4par, since you just love making predictions so much, how do you think she will do?
LR
Alex, as far as entertaining you is concerned, this inconsequential little blog would seem to suffice. At a guess, I'd have to say that it meets your capabilites.
Did you have a bad day today? I just asked a simple question.
Lance, I leave the prognosticating to you and Alex.
I believe that answred your question. Just in case you missed it.
You are obviously in a state of confusion so I thought I would clarify some things for you.
You claimed that Annika withdrew because she didn't want to take a spot while someone more deserving wouldn't be in the field.
INCORRECT.
Annika was happy to take a sponsors exemption and be one of the 20 players, thus kicking a more deserving player out of the field.
The reason Annika withdrew, as she said herself, was because the players were under the impression that the top 18 would get through and the new rule, meant that Annika was taking one of their places.
That is the only reason Annika withdrew. Read again Alex. If Annika had been offered an undeserving exemption earlier and the other players had known about it, she would have played despite not deserving that invitation.
The only reason she withdrew was because, the players were under the impression right up until the last tournament that the top 18 on the money list would get through and Annika's inclusion at that stage was going to take a spot away from one of them.
Please repeat your convoluted interpretation, only please, this time try to make it in comprehensible English. Thank you.
Alex
Stanley, they said something on TV tonight about why Sarah Lee got into the field of 20 and something concerning the top 18. I must admit, even after reading your e-mail, this is confusing.
LR
LR
Confusion is Stanley's middle name.
Where he got his convoluted interpretation of Annika's declining of the invitation to the Samsung is anybody's guess.
I read Mark Steinberg's explanation to the AP and I didn't have the slightest trouble understanding it.
Annika refused the invitation because she didn't want to deprive a more derserving player of a spot. Period.
Of course, Stanley, the great equivocator, will read something different into Annika's classy move.
Stanley, is there something in the drinking water where you live?
Michelle made a commitment to Samsung and signed (OK BJ signed it.) an LPGA appearance contract for the event in March of 2007. Samsung immediately started using Michelle's likeness in their advertising for the event. During the past six months the organizing officials had ample opportunity to withdraw their offer of an exemption that was accepted by Michelle.
Apparently they didn't choose to, just as Ms. Gulbis chose not to play in the last qualifying event prior to the Samsung. Shame on Natalie.
It all comes down to whom the organizers want in the field for their Sponsor's exemption. They chose Michelle and will honor their agreement with her as she will honor her agreement with Samsung.
Perhaps in your frenzy of tearing apart a young woman for no significant reason, you have missed a very important point; everyone is still discussing Michelle Wie, including you. You can't buy advertising like this at any price.
BTW Annika turned down the invitation because IMG tried to pull a fast one to get her into the field. The phone calls from an irate Julie and Karrie convincing her it was the wrong thing to do seemed to do the trick. So Annika took a mea maxima culpa, since her agent was deeply involved in the mess.
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